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The result was '''Speedy close as keep'''. Querrelous and ] nomination. ] (]) 19:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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Scientology-cruft, I'm not seeing any non-trivial, ] for this. Much of it is cited to Hubbard's own writings and tapes, which are primary sources. The "Secrecy" section mentions some third-party sources, but a careful look indicates that these sources are all about ] in general and its surrounding secrecy, not the specific concept of "body thetans." Scientology-cruft, I'm not seeing any non-trivial, ] for this. Much of it is cited to Hubbard's own writings and tapes, which are primary sources. The "Secrecy" section mentions some third-party sources, but a careful look indicates that these sources are all about ] in general and its surrounding secrecy, not the specific concept of "body thetans."


Google Books shows 3 hits for "body thetan," all trivial references of a line or two. Google Scholar shows just 2 hits, one of which is a primary source and one of which is not reliable (holysmoke.org). There doesn't appear to have ever been any substantial discussion of the concept of "body thetans" in any sources except Hubbard's own writings. ] 17:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Google Books shows 3 hits for "body thetan," all trivial references of a line or two. Google Scholar shows just 2 hits, one of which is a primary source and one of which is not reliable (holysmoke.org). There doesn't appear to have ever been any substantial discussion of the concept of "body thetans" in any sources except Hubbard's own writings. ] 17:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


*'''Keep''' - vastly important Scientology concept at the higher levels, and arbitrarily declaring non-Scientology sources "not reliable" is not good editorial judgement. Are you sure it's appropriate for you to be going on a Scientology-related deletion spree in the midst of your participation in a Scientology arbitration case? - ] (]) 18:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC) *'''Keep''' - vastly important Scientology concept at the higher levels, and arbitrarily declaring non-Scientology sources "not reliable" is not good editorial judgement. Are you sure it's appropriate for you to be going on a Scientology-related deletion spree in the midst of your participation in a Scientology arbitration case? - ] (]) 18:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''. A little OR on my part suggests that their belief in this topic is pretty much at the very core of Scientology. Whatever one's thoughts on Scientology as a whole, this to me rises above the standard of cruftyness. ]] 18:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy close as keep. Querrelous and pointy nomination. Phil Sandifer (talk) 19:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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Scientology-cruft, I'm not seeing any non-trivial, reliable third-party sources for this. Much of it is cited to Hubbard's own writings and tapes, which are primary sources. The "Secrecy" section mentions some third-party sources, but a careful look indicates that these sources are all about OT III in general and its surrounding secrecy, not the specific concept of "body thetans."

Google Books shows 3 hits for "body thetan," all trivial references of a line or two. Google Scholar shows just 2 hits, one of which is a primary source and one of which is not reliable (holysmoke.org). There doesn't appear to have ever been any substantial discussion of the concept of "body thetans" in any sources except Hubbard's own writings. *** Crotalus *** 17:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep - vastly important Scientology concept at the higher levels, and arbitrarily declaring non-Scientology sources "not reliable" is not good editorial judgement. Are you sure it's appropriate for you to be going on a Scientology-related deletion spree in the midst of your participation in a Scientology arbitration case? - David Gerard (talk) 18:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. A little OR on my part suggests that their belief in this topic is pretty much at the very core of Scientology. Whatever one's thoughts on Scientology as a whole, this to me rises above the standard of cruftyness. Arakunem 18:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
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