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Please do not try to provoke me to anger, it's not difficult to do, so it's not in the least bit clever, and experience indicates that some at least who deliberately make my life more miserable than it needs to be, have been banned and stayed that way. Make an effort to ] and let's see if we can't get along. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 22:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== ]! Are you still out there? == |
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Hi ]! I was going through some old ArbCom cases and ran into one where you had added some statements. I realized that I haven't spoken to you in quite some time, and I see that you haven't made any edits since May... That sucks! I don't want to see someone like you go! If anything, I hope that you're doing well and that you're happy and that you'll someday return here. I just wanted to leave you a message and let you know that I was thinking about you... Keep in touch. :-) ]<sup><small><b>] ]</b></small></sup> 23:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:I hope it goes without saying, despite the fact that I'm saying it, that many of us feel the same way. Happy new year ]] 23:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::We didn't cross paths very often lately, JzG, but we could really use you back. If you get the urge to return, please say "Yes!" <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 01:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:::October JzG sighting at ]. Does my heart good. --] (]) 20:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Lovely to hear from you! I have spent the past two-and-a-bit years working at incredibly high stress for a hospital. In that time I have retired around 80% of their legacy application and server estate, instituted architectural guidelines and piloted the process for demand review, reduced the measured risk burden by around 80%, instituted objective risk monitoring using ], and I've just proposed (and had accepted) a plan to remediate or mitigate most of the rest. I have, in short, been busy in that there real life of which you read, and that really wasn't going to fit in with having to be nice to people who sincerely believe that Ashlii Babbit was the real victim of the "legitimate political discourse" on Jan 6 2020. |
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::::I have a week's leave. I have 28 days to take before year end, having managed I think three days off this year so far (including weekends). And because I have an offshore team and an onshore customer, my working day can be 8am to 3am. |
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::::I thought I'd drop in :-) ''']''' <small>(] - ])</small> 18:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::Yikes, sounds like, umm..., a lot of responsibility. There will be plenty for you to do here when you are free! ] (]) 22:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::Glad you dropped by! ] (]) 02:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::Glad to hear you're OK - and busy, by the sounds of things! Hope you enjoy your break. ]] 11:17, 27 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::If Guy doesn't look at ] real soon now, where Eddy is being accused of plagiarism, I may be forced to contact him on bookfarce. That would mean giving Guy my real name. He always forgets me. - ]the ] 16:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::I try never to remember people's RW names unless they are "out" on Misplaced Pages. Even when they out themselves, this has led to huge problems, e.g. with a user whose identity was revealed by accident off-wiki, showing him to be the source of fact-washing his own side in Misplaced Pages disputes via a journalist. That ended badly for everyone. ''']''' <small>(] - ])</small> 16:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::Very happy see the little JzG! ] ] ] 19:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC). |
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:::::Hah! Good to see you're still around! ] 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::This is a few months late, but welcome back! Wishing you well. ''']] (])''' 09:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:Welcome indeed! Just came across your signature ]. It's always great to run in to another 'old-timer'. Hope you're well, ] <sup><b>(])</b></sup> 11:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Following your note ], can you remind him to stop things such as . -- User:Docu |
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I'm taking a few days off, I have some things that a re filling my time and Misplaced Pages is (as always) an irresistable distraction. <b>]</b> |
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== Earthquake engineering == |
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Sorry to pester, but ] needs the input of a cool, patient head. My own is sore from banging it against the wall for the last couple of days. Apparently we ''can't'' commit plagiarism on Misplaced Pages, because we're not 'authors' — we're 'Wikipedians'. |
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Shustov doesn't seem to see why he should fix his own copy & paste work unless someone ''else'' (me, to be specific) hunts down all his copying. Either he can't remember what he copied himself, or can't be bothered to figure it out. I'm *this* close to stripping the article back to a stub, and restoring only ''original'' content that I can verify was added by other editors. Bloody nuisance, it is. If he is who he claims to be, shouldn't he know better? ](]) 18:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for having a look in. As I look at the rest of the article, I'm starting to wonder if all of Shustov's contributions are "good and original". There's still more plagiarized stuff that I haven't reported on the talk page. There's also quite a bit that is directly copied out of Shustov's own work. (Depending on where, or if, he's published it there ''probably'' isn't a copyright or licensing problem, but I do worry about the undue weight and conflict of interest issues.) It's very worrying, and stubbing the article – while I meant it as hyperbole before – might actually be the only way to get a 'clean' article. ](]) 16:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:: It is my strong suspicion that he is engaging in original research and novel synthesis, as well as plagiarism, but I do not know the subject well enough. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 20:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Hmmm. Well, looking at his contributions to ], ], ], and the others, he certainly doesn't seem to have trouble referring to his own work in our articles.... ](]) 03:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC) |
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This is a little random, but I'm coming to you because you don't put up with nonsense from disruptive editors. Would you please have a look at {{userlinks|Mwahcysl}} and his contributions? I honestly don't see any constructive edits, and while he's not a vandal per se, edits such as and and make me question his purposes here. If you think this should be raised instead at the drama board, I'll gladly take it there. Thanks! // ] <sup>]•]</sup> 21:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Again on Cold Fusion == |
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Hi JzG, sorry to bother you again, but it seems we have a little problem on it.wiki. BTW of the blacklisted site, there's an user that states there's also useful material, freely released by scientists who wrote about Cold Fusion, and asked for those documents to be whitelisted. Now the question is: have en.wiki either blacklisted the '''whole''' site or left some deeplinks to some given documents in white list (In other words: what do we lose in terms of knowledge if we blacklist that site)? Thanks again for your attention. '''] ]''' 18:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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* Some of it is not freely released, and much of it is heavily editorialised. It fails our reliable sourcing guidelines, and I would bet even money that it it is Jed Rothwell (the site owner) who is arguing for it. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 13:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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**Guy, that's an inappropriate comment, it's irrelevant who raised the issue. The use of a total advocacy site as a place to view released documents that were themselves from a reliable source is an appropriate use, provided the link is specific, i.e., just picks up the document and not the framing that may be placed by the site owner. (A more general pointing to a page that contains the document or a link to it ''might'' be proper, but is definitely more questionable.) The site might contain a *lot* of material that is inappropriate and unusable, but that should not prevent usage of what is appropriate. The needs of the project and of the readers should be paramount, and being able to read original articles serves both. Further, when the topic is the controversy, sometimes reference to advocacy sites is relevant, under some conditions, as a source that an attributed claim from a notable source was made. These are decisions, ultimately, to be made by consensus. --] (]) 15:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::* It's not inappropriate at all. Have you any idea how many times Jed Rothwell's promotion of his fringe views and site has had to be dealt with? <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 09:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:I do not know I if I really want to get involved with this issue, but it seems to me that enforcing "reliable sourcing guidelines" is a missuse of the SPAM blacklisting process. At a minimum it creates the impression that blacklisting is used to enforce a POV, or win edit wars. I hinted at the problem earlier on ]'s talk page: ]. I did not complain to you directly, as I did not think you were a party in this debate. Anyway, this is what I said earlier: |
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::In these User {{User|JzG}} removed vital references from the article on ]. The first was the removal of the URL-line in an well formed {{tl|Citation}} template, the referred file being a PDF copy of a peer-reviewed paper in ''Physics Letters A'', available on-line at a cold fusion related repository lenr-canr.org. The second was the complete removal of the reference to the original press real, on-line at newenergytimes.com. I tried to restore the link and reference, but was prevented by the spam filter. I do not know what is happening here, but I find it very fishy. |
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:: ''Vital'' references? I don't think so. Not when they are published on the hack website of a fringe group. Anything truly ''vital'' will be published in, and citable from, a ] rather than something like lenr-canr, which has been relentlessly spammed and promoted by the site owner to the point that he is now ''de facto'' banned. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 15:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Am I to understand from your comment, that you are personally involved in this editing dispute? -- ] (]) 15:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::I don't know if routine process for challenging spam filter inclusion has been followed yet. If the sites were added by Guy, then, of course, requesting that he reverse this would be an early step. Above, there is implied such a request. It looks like Guy denied it. Okay, next step. --] (]) 15:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Just driving by, but there are many cases where crappy sites are listed in the spam blacklist and in the XlinkxRevertBot lists just for being crappy unreliable sites, even though they are not "spammed" ''per se''. It isn't an abuse of process, it's just a poorly named list.—](]) 16:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Many thanks for your attention JzG, are you going to include lenr-canr.org in meta.wikimedia's spam list too? '''] ]''' 18:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::I've now formally requested JzG remove the site, which he added unilaterally, from the blacklist. That doesn't resolve the question and wouldn't be an acceptance by him that the site may be used, but it undoes his usage of administrative tools to support his own views (one must be an admin to edit the spam blacklist). Hopefully, he will do this, and then we can focus on content.... --] (]) 19:47, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I generally would propose additions at ] and let one of the regulars there add it. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::The linking to lenr-canr.org certainly fits the profile at ]. Is there any admin that would have done anything different?] (]) 21:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::: No, any admin would have done the same. Jed Rothwell was actively spamming his site as part of his ongoing campaign of disruption and POV-pushing, I did exactly what I would do (and have done) in any number of similar cases. Handling linkspam is one of my most consistent long-term activities on Misplaced Pages, and I am also a meta admin for the same reason. In the case of Fleischmann, he has on Google Scholar, it is unlikely to the point of implausibility tat any genuinely vital content would be surceable ''solely'' from a site so heavily spammed by its owner, and so heavily skewed towards advocacy of a fringe POV. On ] articles in particular we should take good care to use only reputable sources; lenr-canr is not one. One of Rothwell's links to it as the "citation" for the DoE review of cold fusion turned out to be a heavily editorialised version. As a source it is untrustworthy, but that is not the reason for the blacklisting, ''that'' is due to Rothwell's long-term spamming and disruption. Abd should note that ''all'' actions, editorial, administrative or otherwise, are ''unilateral'', that is the whole point of having an account - the actions one takes are associated with one's account, end of. The addition was listed for review on the blacklist talk page at the time, but we do not sit around waiting for vandals to vandalise a bit more while we wait for someone to wander by and express an opinion. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 22:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Hello JzG. You have been a little involved in editing the articles related to Blanchard's theory Bailey's book, etc. You likely have read what goes on between myself and DickLyon. Could you help me to resolve my apparently personal dispute with DickLyon? I know we disagree over the merger proposal. This is not about that. This is about the fact that I provide reasons for why I write what I write and he just insults me. I have never insulted him in any way. |
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Now I am no angel. The user Jokestress and I have mixed it up in the past. Last time out she took the fact that I was the guest of a border in the home of Dierdre Mc Closkey (You should have an idea of who that is from reading on the subject if nothing else). She wrote that I broke into her house. I threatened legal action. Yeah I sould not have done that. I believe an admin or bureaucrat totally deleted that text because I have tried to find it. I also mixed it up with the user ] she took it as an insult that I refered to him as a male. But "Alice" said on her talk page] "I am a Transgendered person. More specifically, a male who cross-dresses as a female." The last user I called female by assuming from their name and user page was MariontheLibrarian who is known now as user James cantor. I plead no contest to not being a wiki saint. |
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However Dick's insults feel different. Because he basically has decided he is not going to write anything and will just complain in a way that is at least impolite if not outright insulting. He may be refarining from editing the actual article due to COI. But if that's the case then how can his COI not invalidate his comments on talk pages? That's not what I am going for though. |
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Basically what I want is to avert this mess going to a higher level of conflict resolution. Please help. --] (]) 23:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC) |
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JzG, please remove lenr-canr.org, added by you December 18, 2008, to the local spam blacklist. This is a library of papers and the decision to link to an individual paper, as citations, which you have made impossible by the blacklisting, is one which should be made individually, citation by citation. On the face of it, lenr-canr, as a library of papers, would be a source which we should allow as an external link; however, this is a separate matter. Your use of your administrative tools, in this case, may have been improper, you are clearly involved. |
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It's much simpler if you remove the site than if we go through more complex processes involving other editors. Thanks. --] (]) 19:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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* No. It ios not a reliable source, it is polemical and worthless to Misplaced Pages, and it has been prolifically spammed by its owner. An absolutely open and shut case of ]. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 22:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::The response doesn't seem to match what I see, nor does it address the issues I've raised. Instead of what may be useless argument, you seem very convinced of your position, I gather that you are refusing to remove the listing, and consider your use of administrative tools to be appropriate, even though you may be involved. |
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:This was an attempt to resolve a dispute by direct communication between parties. One more question, though: would you consent to the removal of the listing by another administrator, should one make that decision? I'm looking, Guy, for the simplest and least disruptive means of resolving this. --] (]) 23:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:: No, because the only rationale you have given refers to ''one'' link on ''one'' article (which might or might not justify whitelisting of that ''one'' link); the site has been spammed by its owner, and abused in sundry other ways. We use the blacklist to control link abuse, we use the whitelist to enable carefully selected links from sites whihc have been abused, where consensus is that such links are of significant value. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 09:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::: And '''consensus''' to ''add'' that site to the blacklist was achieved.... exactly when and where? It seems like a unilateral decision on your own part, without discussion. ] (]) 13:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: I haven't seen a good objection to its presence on the blacklist yet. Are you denying that it's an unreliable site hosted by a fringe-theory advocate? Or are you saying that using unreliable sites hosted by fringe-theory advocates as references is a good thing?—](]) 14:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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