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	There is no accepted definition or understanding regarding real consciousness yet there is a field of artificial consciousness? How absurd!

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	In ai-forum was a passionate debate about the same question just not to repeat it here, but result was rather that it must be clearly stated that all abilities of consciousness mentioned must be known and observable. AC is not consciousness.
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			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 00:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
	To say Artificial Consciousness is not Consciousness is simply to define Consciousness as being something human beings cannot build. If "it", whatever "it" is, is built by humans, then '''by definition''' it would not be conscious. The Philosophical Criticisms section of ] applies directly to this topic too.

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	What is the special thing about humans that allows them consciousness? Humans are either machines (in which case the ] applies) or they are not (in which case there is some magic spark). You (whoever wrote what I am commenting on) has now to decide: What is it? For you view to be consistent either you require a new computer science possibly requiring new physics, or you have a ]. Speak up now. ] 01:40, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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	Yes this comment was written by me and I meant that artificial consciousness and consciousness are different terms, what doesn't mean that artificial consciousness necessarily must not be the same as consciousness, or that it must be the same as consciousness, just because of the subjective nature of consciousness as a whole we can never decide whether artificial consciousness shall be the same as consciousness or not. tkorrovi
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	A question you leave open is this: How similar is my consciousness to yours? Were I to build a machine which has the same characteristics as my brain - artificial neurons with the same latencies, triggering thresholds etc - and I was to scan my brain, take a backup, and load it into the machine, might not that machine be artificially conscious yet more similar to ''my'' consciousness than it would be to ''your'' consciousness? ] 13:24, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 17:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
	The machine's AC would be more like my C than your C is to my C. ] 13:26, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

			== "Self-simulation" ==
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			Hi, "self-simulation" is a concept and methode advocated by ] as pre-stage to self-awareness of robots.<ref>{{cite web\|url=https://www.quantamagazine.org/hod-lipson-is-building-self-aware-robots-201907-11/\|title=Curious About Consciousness? Ask the Self-Aware Machines\|access-date=2019-10-21\|date=2019-07-09\|author=John Pavlus\|website=Quanta Magazine}}</ref>
	I think that the question of what is different in consciousness of different people always remains open, also what is in brain depends a lot on everything outside, and changes a lot, but then we may also look at the differencies between human consciousness and systems what can never become conscious, like your text editor. tkorrovi

			Now I do not know where that could fit, if it is even this article or worth an own article? ] (]) 16:37, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
	AC forum http://tkorrovi.proboards16.com/
			:{{reply to\|Nsae Comp}} I started writing of this "self-modeling" concept, but it's far from complete. ] (]) 04:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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			== Intriguing work re. MC ==
	The questions are difficult, but I do not think they will "always remain open". If I understand you then you are saying that the difference between AC and C is simply terminolgical. I.e. Artifical Consciousness ''is'' Consciousness ''' in all but name'''. But you started off with a remark that concludes that they are not the same: "AC is not consciousness."

			Hi, if anyone hasn't seen this it appears that Orch-OR may indeed be correct and verifiable.
	What is it? Where do you stand?
			Its actually a very accurate model from certain points of view, such as the action of xenon and
			other anaesthetics on consciousness.
			Its entirely possible that the technology to make a conscious machine already exists but what is
			lacking is the specific program and model to run in limited hardware. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Difficult to understand for a non-technical audience ==
	] 06:11, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

			This article feels like it is written for a technical audience, it's really hard to understand for newcomers. I understand the endeavor to be technically accurate, and maybe it's also a complicated subject in itself. For example, the definition "Define that which would have to be synthesized were consciousness to be found in an engineered artifact" feels very convoluted to me, and I didn't understand the paragraph on the Computational Foundation argument. ] (]) 22:56, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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			== Integrated information theory ==
	Paul, please discuss before you remove something. This definition was a collective effort, discussed before in different forums. In the definition similar to "the ability to predict the external events etc" was proposed for intelligence (this form was written by me, Rob Hoogers proposed "the ability to predict how the external processes will develop"). But then it was considered to overdefine intelligence, the ability to predict demands imagination, creativity etc, what even may require feelings etc, so don't entirely go under intelligence. Then it was replaced by more narrow definition, what most likely didn't define intelligence entirely though. Because of that this was added as one ability of consciousness. What exactly makes it strong is the requirement to be able to do it in any possible environment when possible, this very demanding and so indeed makes AC a strong AI. This also corresponds to my program in terms of theory. The first part was also discussed in ai-forum and decided to include it exactly as it was, except of later change by "195.218.198.164" of removing "theoretically" what I agree with because the rest says the same. Your proposed definition "An artificial consciousness (AC) is a man-made or otherwise constructed system which is conscious" simply is not proper because it doesn't define anything at all, as "conscious" isn't defined and cannot be defined because consciousness is subjective term. Please understand one thing -- subjective term cannot be defined. BTW sorry, I restored the definition. At least please discuss before you are going to remove anything. So if you have any questions concerning the definition etc, please ask and we will discuss it either here or in AC forum or in place you like.

			I think the ] is a major aspect of the topic, and should be discussed in the article. ] (]) 07:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
	AC and C are different terms, but the difference is not only terminological, AC is artificially created, while C is natural, and AC is objective while C is subjective. Concerning what you said about Igor Aleksander I may agree, if you indeed have evidence that AC was used before Igor Aleksander did it. Concerning that my evidence is unfortunately confined to Internet. tkorrovi

			:Perhaps also ] and ]. ] (]) 10:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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	The external source for your definition is ''your'' artificial consciousness forum which you dominate. That it represents a broad consensus I doubt. I had difficulty even parsing it. That an ability to tell the future is necessary for consciousness seems risble to me. The claim that AC is AI is also rubbish.

			I don't feel confident removing a lot of content without discussion, but in my opinion, the section "Implementation proposals" still contains old and non-essential content that has historical value but that isn't so useful for readers. For example the part on "Intelligent Distribution Agent". Perhaps some of it can be moved to other articles like ]. ] (]) 22:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
	I would have thought that you would have read the literature widely before claiming that the term ''artificial consciousness'' was first used in 1996. If you had you would know that claim is not true, you would also know that the term has been better defined by reputed computer scientists and philosophers than the definition you use. I refer you to the popular works of Daniel C Dennett, Douglas Hofstadter and Roger Penrose, for starters, which you have read, I presume.

			== Chatbots like ChatGPT or Bard have been trained to say they are not conscious? ==
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			The statement, "many chatbots like ChatGPT or Bard have been trained to say they are not conscious." is referenced to this article:
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	Please discuss, would we please try to act reasonably. Defining artificial consciousness through consciousness is not circular because these are different terms and artificial consciousness is subset of consciousness what becomes as close to consciousness as much we objectively know about consciousness. Also though consciousness as a whole cannot be defined, things can be defined through it, ie through abilities of what what are known and objective and so can be determined. tkorrovi

			But that article provides no evidence to support this statement. It merely states the same - "ChatGPT and Bard are both trained to respond that they are not conscious."
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	I am discussing it. But I can '''not''' allow a nonsense (i.e. does not make sense) definition to survive.

			Additionally, many chatbots like ] or ] have been trained to say they are not conscious.<ref>{{Cite news \|last=Agüera y Arcas \|first=Blaise \|last2=Norvig \|first2=Peter \|date=October 10, 2023 \|title=Artificial General Intelligence Is Already Here \|url=https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-already-here/ \|work=Noema}}</ref>
	Despite verbiage you are not discussing the issues. You make questionable assertions as fact without being prepared to back them up. Who says you cannot define something which is subjective? Who? You. Who says that consciousness is subjective? You. Who is it who insists on defining artificial consciousness? You. CONTRADICTION.
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			] (]) 12:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

			:It's not something that companies openly declare. But one of the two authors (]) is well-placed to make a statement about Bard, since he works at Google. Asking to ChatGPT if it is conscious returns an unusually short and categorical negative response. But indeed, the authors don't work at OpenAI and may not have insider knowledge about how ChatGPT was trained. I replaced the sentence with "Additionally, some chatbots have been trained to say they are not conscious." Let me know if it's still not ok. ] (]) 01:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
	You say AC is not C because one is subjective the other not. Rubbish. Your C should be objectively discernible to me. As should the AC of a machine.
			:Thanks - I neglected to take note of the author's credentials. ] (]) 06:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

			::No problem, it's good that you verify the sources. ] (]) 17:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
	I carefully constructed an argument which shows that AC and C are the same. This you have ignored.

	You are not discussing the issues. I have been but you ignore what I have said.
	Instead we get meaningless nonsense like your latest para above.

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"Self-simulation"

Hi, "self-simulation" is a concept and methode advocated by Hod Lipson as pre-stage to self-awareness of robots.

Now I do not know where that could fit, if it is even this article or worth an own article? Nsae Comp (talk) 16:37, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Nsae Comp: I started writing a description of this "self-modeling" concept, but it's far from complete. Jarble (talk) 04:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

References

John Pavlus (2019-07-09). "Curious About Consciousness? Ask the Self-Aware Machines". Quanta Magazine. Retrieved 2019-10-21.

Intriguing work re. MC

Hi, if anyone hasn't seen this it appears that Orch-OR may indeed be correct and verifiable. Its actually a very accurate model from certain points of view, such as the action of xenon and other anaesthetics on consciousness. Its entirely possible that the technology to make a conscious machine already exists but what is lacking is the specific program and model to run in limited hardware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.81.156.140 (talk) 08:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Difficult to understand for a non-technical audience

This article feels like it is written for a technical audience, it's really hard to understand for newcomers. I understand the endeavor to be technically accurate, and maybe it's also a complicated subject in itself. For example, the definition "Define that which would have to be synthesized were consciousness to be found in an engineered artifact" feels very convoluted to me, and I didn't understand the paragraph on the Computational Foundation argument. Alenoach (talk) 22:56, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Integrated information theory

I think the integrated information theory is a major aspect of the topic, and should be discussed in the article. Alenoach (talk) 07:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps also Attention schema theory and Global workspace theory. Alenoach (talk) 10:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

May need to be removed

I don't feel confident removing a lot of content without discussion, but in my opinion, the section "Implementation proposals" still contains old and non-essential content that has historical value but that isn't so useful for readers. For example the part on "Intelligent Distribution Agent". Perhaps some of it can be moved to other articles like Cognitive architecture. Alenoach (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Chatbots like ChatGPT or Bard have been trained to say they are not conscious?

The statement, "many chatbots like ChatGPT or Bard have been trained to say they are not conscious." is referenced to this article:

https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-already-here/

But that article provides no evidence to support this statement. It merely states the same - "ChatGPT and Bard are both trained to respond that they are not conscious."

Therefore I removed the following statement and it's reference:

Additionally, many chatbots like ChatGPT or Bard have been trained to say they are not conscious.

Agüera y Arcas, Blaise; Norvig, Peter (October 10, 2023). "Artificial General Intelligence Is Already Here". Noema.

Tyler keys (talk) 12:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

It's not something that companies openly declare. But one of the two authors (Blaise Agüera y Arcas) is well-placed to make a statement about Bard, since he works at Google. Asking to ChatGPT if it is conscious returns an unusually short and categorical negative response. But indeed, the authors don't work at OpenAI and may not have insider knowledge about how ChatGPT was trained. I replaced the sentence with "Additionally, some chatbots have been trained to say they are not conscious." Let me know if it's still not ok. Alenoach (talk) 01:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - I neglected to take note of the author's credentials. Tyler keys (talk) 06:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

No problem, it's good that you verify the sources. Alenoach (talk) 17:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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