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| == Cameo in Plan B's She Said == | |||
| == Bisexuality? == | |||
| After watching the video and finding no trace of Keeley Hawes in it, I am inclined to think that whoever added this bit of information to the article mistook ] for ]. I have therefore deleted it, until somebody can provide citation that Hawes actually appeared in this video. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| I've clarified the comment about her bisexuality - she said it *once* in an interview when she was filming a lesbian-themed movie. Since she's married with three kids, this *probably* falls more in the PR category than it does any deep-seated belief or emotions on her part. I've removed the "]" until/unless she takes on a mistress. -- <span style="background-color: #EECCFF;">]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> (] | ])</span></span> 15:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Lamest edit war ever (continued) == | |||
| ::I think you try to do too much on wikipedia. You must read the references before you make interventions on subjects you are not familiar with. She said in several interviews that she was bisexual. Bisexual people are often married and often have children!! It was not PR - there was absolutely no pressure on her to say anything (you need to justify that assumption) especially to the Radio Times!!!! Perhaps stick to a culture you know about. If I sound testy, it is because you are creating work for other people clearing up in your wake. And the whole tenor of your comment above is patronizing. ] 16:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I support the idea that she is English, born and raised, so it's clear that this is her nationality just as Sean Connery is Scottish and Catherine Zeta Jones is Welsh. ] (]) 16:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Her Passport doesnt say 'English' does it, so British is her nationality. Stop changing it to a non recognised nationalty] (]) 19:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I'm sorry to have stumbled onto the great British-English War, but really people, this is ridiculous. Look at articles on famous British people, and you'll see that the practice on "British" versus "English/Scottish/Welsh" is mixed and inconsistent, but for God's sake, don't use some contrived circumlocution that most people have never even heard of, as a supposed compromise solution for '''a problem that doesn't exist.''' What makes Keeley Hawes unique? By this logic, we should go through every article for a British person and call them "British-English", "British-Scottish", "British-Welsh", etc. It's absurd. Anyway, if certain obsessed users swoop in once more to vindictively append "-English", then I'll just go with the flow and remove the "British-" part. Pick one or the other, people; it just doesn't flipping matter! --] (]) 04:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| * Watch out the BNP supporting English nationalist editor is back. Hawes is British not English, Kentish or Londonish UK is the Soverign state it doesn't say English Citizen on her passport does it. | |||
| :Yes, I'm the model of a BNP English nationalist, seeing as I'm ''Irish'' (though I've no idea where the whole BNP thing came from anyway). Check out ], ], etc. Thanks! ]]] 17:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm completely neutral on the question of whether to call her British or English. --] (]) 06:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Culture that I know about? Please take a look at my userpage before you say things like that. Perhaps you'd like to be a part of ]? We'd love to have you! You're right that my comments were patronizing - I'm sorry I wrote in that manner. | |||
| ::::Culture - I meant in reference to the Radio Times and the pressure she might be under to make revelations to it (no pressure at all). The show didn't need her to sell it with revelations. ] (]) 23:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I never said she was under any pressure. I said it was "PR" - ] - what every studio and actor use to get folks to buy tickets. That doesn't mean she isn't bisexual, it just means she's only said it in that one interview. You keep mentioning a second one, but you keep putting in a reference to a ''comment'' on a ''blog'' that says someone "seems to remember..." You have to admit, that isn't a reliable source no matter how you stretch it. -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">] <small>(] | ])</small></span> 23:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::What I am saying is that you need to understand the context to know that it was not a case of PR Doing something like that for PR - when she considers herself a 'serious actress' in the UK - would be looked down as vulgar in the profession. ] (]) 15:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::The truth is that I *DID* read the reference provided. I also did a rather thorough search on Google - most tellingly . I found absolutely *NO* ] that state that Hawes is bisexual with the exception of the Rachel Stirling article. The other reference - AfterEllen - is a blog - which is not a reliable source. Believe me - I have no problem with her being bisexual - I welcome it, in fact! But as it stands now, she said it once when doing an interview about the bisexual character she was playing in a movie. Unless a secondary source can be found, that statement is highly suspect and could violate ]. Can you help me find another source? -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">] <small>(] | ])</small></span> 07:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Yawn! why has this started again, why has someone seen fit to change her nationality when it is obviously going to provoke an edit war with the scots or welsh ] summed up how stupid it was to change it in the first place. England is just an administrative region of the UK and not an internationally recognised nation therefore it can't be her or anyone elses nationality under international law. It is usually dim Americans that confuse English with British. Is she a pre union historical figure or ever expressed an English National Identity like ] has with Scotland? also the British National Party is opposed to devolution and doesn't approve of English Nationalism so it is not a good idea to equate the two. ] (]) 18:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::BTW, thank you for all your work on ] - I've enjoyed seeing that list grow due to your efforts :) -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">] <small>(] | ])</small></span> 07:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Ya, I give up, though I still think if someone's born in England then the article should state they're English (seeing as England is a subset of Britain, it's more informative to the reader). I dunno, I'm no longer bothered. ]]] 18:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| It's not about nationality, it's about ethnicity! Keeley Hawes was born, raised and is living in England, so her ethnic identity is English. Every Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish actor/writer/singer/etc is staunchly referred to on Misplaced Pages by their ethnicity (which is considered perfectly acceptable by all), but for some reason people hate the idea of English people being afforded the same consideration. Unfair. P.S. It is really pathetic that a certain user started slinging mud about people on here being BNP supporters - a very desperate and ignorant way to try to win an argument, particularly since the BNP is against British seperatism. ] (]) 15:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::You can't say she hasn't said anything further about her sexuality because you don't know what she has said. She has said it in at least 2 interviews. As it stands it is very uncontroversial. ] (]) 23:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::No you are totally wrong, her ethnicity is ] or using Official UK Government census categories ''White-British'' (The other two being ''White-Irish'' or ''White-Other''! There are black English people too you know. England does not have its own Parliament, Head of state or Prime Minister; it is an administrative region of the United Kingdom and is not recognised as a sovereign nation by the UN. US citizens are not listed by their administrative region {i.e. State} instead of their nationality, so neither should British citizens in an international encyclopaedia. | |||
| Yet again this edit war has flared up, I thought that we sorted this out 6 months ago!] <sup> ] . ]</sup> 20:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Even though Kitty Butler is a cheating tramp, there is nothing more I would like to confirm that Keeley Hawes could play for my team, even part-time. However, after reading the DIVA article, I don't believe that is well-written or well-referenced, and I would like to know how they claim Hawes is bisexual. That sort of thing should have quotes. The afterellen write-up is a reference back to the DIVA article, so I don't believe it should be used. I searched on LexisNexis, ProQuest, GenderWatch, and the BBC website for information on Keeley Hawes' being bisexual, and have discovered nothing so far, beyond her relationship with her first husband and her marriage to her male co-star in Spooks. --] (]) 16:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :: More: After a long edit war ] ( i.e don’t change nationality listing to make a ]) was invoked and a compromise found. From my viewpoint: I fail to see why people from the USA are listed by federal nationality not States and why some UK nationals are by regions? All this does is act like a red flag to pro nationalists/seperatists. The sovereign state should be the only nationality on WP. Ie Canadian, French, Australian & BRITISH etc. ] <sup> ] . ]</sup> 21:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Firstly, there is a big difference between a state and a ], which is what England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland are. And we don't know Keeley Hawes is "Anglo-Saxon"; she could be Brythonic, Norman, Germanic or Celtic by heritage, but whichever it is she still comes under the term ]. There is no need for this war to rage on and on, and I'm certain it will come to an end when people just respect the fact that in Britain there is a preference for people to refer to themselves by their constituent country, alluding their ethnic/cultural identity (which is not equivalent to referring to oneself by state or city), and that it's not fair to ban the English identity from Misplaced Pages but allow the Scottish, Welsh and N Irish ones. Equality for all! P.S. Yeah I am familiar with the fact that there are black English people too, particularly since my father happens to be one of them! ] (]) 23:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I am sure that the journalists at ] will be pleased to hear you say that. Since they talked to KH directly and the words came out of her mouth, I don't know what you want. I am sure youtube videos of her talking in depth about it are fakeable. No one made a big deal about it at the time because it isn't such a big deal in some parts. ] (]) 22:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I read the Diva article from the Rachael Stirling site provided as a source. Although that article declares Hawes bisexual, I did not read a quote from Hawes confirming she was, or saying she has slept with/been in love with women in the past. This is the stuff that quotes are really necessary for. ], who has admitted to being bisexual, was interviewed by ], where it was splashed all over - Rodriguez is not a lesbian! But since she was on the cover, she was labeled as one and she accused Curve of trying to out her. It's not a matter of what I want personally (that would be Hawes herself, or Stirling, indeed), but rather this interesting concept of verifiability. There should be no question, especially by the LGBT folks on Misplaced Pages, that who we claim is LGBT - actually is. Our claims are held to higher standards than other claims here. We have to work a bit harder to verify what we've known for a long time, but the quality of the articles definitely isn't hurt by it. | |||
| :::Writing to Diva is a good idea, actually. I might consider that...--] (]) 12:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::KH spoke to Diva '''and''' the Radio Times. MR never spoke to Curve at all. Curve didn't claim MR was lesbian. It called her a 'bad bi girl'. MR has admitted experimentation, she hasn't said she is bisexual. LGBT should have normal standards - because being LGBT is normal. If someone says in two interviews "I am bi" and doesn't repent, that is enough. And who keeps removing the Radio Times reference from the article? ] (]) 12:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| (Coming in from the RFC.) I'd say use "English" only because it's more specific and so slightly more informative. But I don't see any particularly strong arguments for either side, and I don't think mine is especially compelling either. ~] 05:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::You and I believe that being LGBT is normal. Per Misplaced Pages's policies, though, being LGBT is considered controversial and that information has to be sourced by particularly reliable sources. Believe me, I personally don't care - I'm trying to keep this article within the ] policies. It runs the risk of being deleted if it doesn't adhere. | |||
| ::::::As for the Radio Times, I can't read the interview, so I have no idea a) what it says and b) how reliable it is. Does it not strike you as odd that the only time(s) she's said anything about being bisexual were during "Tipping"? And that there's absolutely nothing since then? -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">] <small>(] | ])</small></span> 05:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| (comment as requested at RFC) As she was born in England then she is English, cant see anything wrong with her being described as an English actress it is factually correct. ] (]) 22:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Reliably sourced statement of sexuality? == | |||
| No matter how her ethnic identity is referred to, if you come to the conclusion that it is English, she is "an English acress" and not "a English actress". | |||
| Is Hawes' sexuality reliably sourced? Is it important to include? Please see discussion above. -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">] <small>(] | ])</small></span> 15:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Model? == | ||
| Since she is essentially modelling in the Boots makeup ad, isn't she also a model? --] (]) 00:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
| I'm being incredibly nit-picky here, but the 'official' website (http://www.keeley-hawes.com) in the infobox is an unofficial website, and that's stated on the site itself. Any chance it can be clarified that it's unofficial or something? :) <font color="#ff0066">]</font> | <sup><font color="#ff66cc">]</font></sup> 22:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :You are correct. I moved the link to External links section instead. - ] (]) 08:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Relationship with MacFadyen== | |||
| I don't think she "fell in love" with MacFadyen eight weeks later. There has to be more to it than that, so I've changed the wording. (] (]) 13:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)) | |||
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Cameo in Plan B's She Said
After watching the video and finding no trace of Keeley Hawes in it, I am inclined to think that whoever added this bit of information to the article mistook Kaya Scodelario for Keeley Hawes. I have therefore deleted it, until somebody can provide citation that Hawes actually appeared in this video. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.9.44 (talk) 12:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Lamest edit war ever (continued)
I support the idea that she is English, born and raised, so it's clear that this is her nationality just as Sean Connery is Scottish and Catherine Zeta Jones is Welsh. magnius (talk) 16:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Her Passport doesnt say 'English' does it, so British is her nationality. Stop changing it to a non recognised nationalty92.40.169.103 (talk) 19:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have stumbled onto the great British-English War, but really people, this is ridiculous. Look at articles on famous British people, and you'll see that the practice on "British" versus "English/Scottish/Welsh" is mixed and inconsistent, but for God's sake, don't use some contrived circumlocution that most people have never even heard of, as a supposed compromise solution for a problem that doesn't exist. What makes Keeley Hawes unique? By this logic, we should go through every article for a British person and call them "British-English", "British-Scottish", "British-Welsh", etc. It's absurd. Anyway, if certain obsessed users swoop in once more to vindictively append "-English", then I'll just go with the flow and remove the "British-" part. Pick one or the other, people; it just doesn't flipping matter! --Lazar Taxon (talk) 04:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Watch out the BNP supporting English nationalist editor is back. Hawes is British not English, Kentish or Londonish UK is the Soverign state it doesn't say English Citizen on her passport does it.
- Yes, I'm the model of a BNP English nationalist, seeing as I'm Irish (though I've no idea where the whole BNP thing came from anyway). Check out Ridley Scott, Keira Knightly, etc. Thanks! Fin©™ 17:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm completely neutral on the question of whether to call her British or English. --Lazar Taxon (talk) 06:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Yawn! why has this started again, why has someone seen fit to change her nationality when it is obviously going to provoke an edit war with the scots or welsh User:Lazar Taxon summed up how stupid it was to change it in the first place. England is just an administrative region of the UK and not an internationally recognised nation therefore it can't be her or anyone elses nationality under international law. It is usually dim Americans that confuse English with British. Is she a pre union historical figure or ever expressed an English National Identity like Sean Connery has with Scotland? also the British National Party is opposed to devolution and doesn't approve of English Nationalism so it is not a good idea to equate the two. Estragons (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Ya, I give up, though I still think if someone's born in England then the article should state they're English (seeing as England is a subset of Britain, it's more informative to the reader). I dunno, I'm no longer bothered. Fin©™ 18:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It's not about nationality, it's about ethnicity! Keeley Hawes was born, raised and is living in England, so her ethnic identity is English. Every Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish actor/writer/singer/etc is staunchly referred to on Misplaced Pages by their ethnicity (which is considered perfectly acceptable by all), but for some reason people hate the idea of English people being afforded the same consideration. Unfair. P.S. It is really pathetic that a certain user started slinging mud about people on here being BNP supporters - a very desperate and ignorant way to try to win an argument, particularly since the BNP is against British seperatism. 79.74.77.222 (talk) 15:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- No you are totally wrong, her ethnicity is Anglo Saxon or using Official UK Government census categories White-British (The other two being White-Irish or White-Other! There are black English people too you know. England does not have its own Parliament, Head of state or Prime Minister; it is an administrative region of the United Kingdom and is not recognised as a sovereign nation by the UN. US citizens are not listed by their administrative region {i.e. State} instead of their nationality, so neither should British citizens in an international encyclopaedia.
Yet again this edit war has flared up, I thought that we sorted this out 6 months ago!andi064 20:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- More: After a long edit war Misplaced Pages:Nationality_of_people_from_the_United_Kingdom ( i.e don’t change nationality listing to make a WP:Point) was invoked and a compromise found. From my viewpoint: I fail to see why people from the USA are listed by federal nationality not States and why some UK nationals are by regions? All this does is act like a red flag to pro nationalists/seperatists. The sovereign state should be the only nationality on WP. Ie Canadian, French, Australian & BRITISH etc. andi064 21:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, there is a big difference between a state and a constituent country, which is what England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland are. And we don't know Keeley Hawes is "Anglo-Saxon"; she could be Brythonic, Norman, Germanic or Celtic by heritage, but whichever it is she still comes under the term English people. There is no need for this war to rage on and on, and I'm certain it will come to an end when people just respect the fact that in Britain there is a preference for people to refer to themselves by their constituent country, alluding their ethnic/cultural identity (which is not equivalent to referring to oneself by state or city), and that it's not fair to ban the English identity from Misplaced Pages but allow the Scottish, Welsh and N Irish ones. Equality for all! P.S. Yeah I am familiar with the fact that there are black English people too, particularly since my father happens to be one of them! 79.74.2.20 (talk) 23:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
(Coming in from the RFC.) I'd say use "English" only because it's more specific and so slightly more informative. But I don't see any particularly strong arguments for either side, and I don't think mine is especially compelling either. ~YellowFives 05:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
(comment as requested at RFC) As she was born in England then she is English, cant see anything wrong with her being described as an English actress it is factually correct. MilborneOne (talk) 22:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
No matter how her ethnic identity is referred to, if you come to the conclusion that it is English, she is "an English acress" and not "a English actress".
Model?
Since she is essentially modelling in the Boots makeup ad, isn't she also a model? --LeedsKing (talk) 00:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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Line of Duty
Keeley Hawkes had a starring role in Line of Duty series 2. Shown in early 2014. Tonyj01 (talk) 00:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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