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:How is Chinese economic reform and Great Divergence in my editing restriction? GPM has edited it exactly twice in the past month and hasn't commented there in weeks. This is an obvious case of trip-up. First the above user invites me to comment on ANI and then blocks and topic bans me for putting an issue on ANI (this alone is extremely outrageous) Then he blocks me for <b>3 weeks</b> for the "crime" of editing an article that GPM edited 3-5 weeks ago. This is outrageous. If wikipedia treats its contributers like this it won't last long.] (]) 14:49, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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I saw Gun Powder Ma's {{diff|Chinese economic reform|prev|379080801|recent tag}} on ] as it happened, and seeing that it was dubious (from what I read about the Chinese Civil War), looked to the Loren 4 source to find the unsourced fact and indeed it was there. When I went to cite it, though, you had {{diff|Chinese economic reform|next|379080801|already done it}} with an aggrieved edit summary. Your assessment that it was a provocation was probably correct, though you are not flattered in the {{diff|Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|prev|379086762|new ANI complaint}} for which GPM used that edit. My suggestion would be to not be so quick to take the bait, when uninvolved editors can easily fix it. If you had waited five minutes there, you would probably look much better (and GPM worse) to uninvolved judges. ] (]) 19:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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== Comparison between Roman and Han Empires ==


Hi, before I even start to review it, please updated your references. Please look http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cite_book to see the proper format to reference a book; all the book references you are using are not in a proper format. Look at example 1 and example 2 on the link i posted. Article looks good tho! Cheers! ] (]) 21:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC) ...i pasted the link .. not sure why didnt work before, sorry. Cheers! ] (]) 13:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Hy there I'm hereby informing you that I think that your recently created article ] seems in my view to have several problems and to fail in several official Misplaced Pages policies. I presented the whole case at ]. Thanks. ] (]) 22:46, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


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Hello Teeninvestor, I surely will have a look again over the next days. But in general it is hard to compare them (since all is in the past we might not have all info or history books don't tell the "truth"; both empires didn't fight each other until one empire destroyed the other or caused much damage, ...). There can be set hypotheses e.g. like in ] and then provided facts (figures, dates, sources which are not from WP, ...) which help to understand better. And other parties can have other/different hypotheses and build facts on these. A methodical approach when creating the article always helps. You must see like: most people are used to a certain style in WP articles, so they probably expect that new articles are then the same. But that takes time.<br>
In general I'd say there is nothing like: one empire wins and the other loses. Or one contributor has more right than the other. In perhaps 300 years when we have more info about that time periods we might know better. No matter what: seeing all as an interaction process between users is a good thing and if in the end it can not stay at Misplaced Pages, I am sure Wikiversity welcomes this. ----] 23:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


I am failing the GA nomination of the article ].
So, how are things going ? As I see quite hectic day around that article - did not read all. It's always better to make things not personal and probably also let some time pass. Then other contributors also stay positive. If I were you I'd take the provided feedback so far (people invested time to give feedback also - that is interaction, you could also use the ] for more interaction) and build the article either on Wikiversity or perhaps in your Misplaced Pages user namespace. And then if it has a certain degree invite people again to have a look. What do you think ? ----] 19:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:P.S. you can find me in chat if you like, click (you will recognize my nick), ----] 19:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


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::Hello Teeninvestor, I prefer not to vote, because that would result atm in a not so favorable vote (unfortunately). I like the topic you have started there, but atm the article form itself is not yet appropriate for this wiki (if you work in WV things might not get immediately into AfD). Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and for that it needs to be followed some "standards/rules" (this is what the other contributors are missing and trying to say - unfortunately the communication is atm not so that sender and recipient can transmit their statements well :-( ).<br>
::I think the most important thing in all this is: to take all what happened so far (feedback, your emotions, ...) as an experience. And improve the article as some have suggested or even in much more ways (either here as subpage of your namespace, e.g. ], or at WV). I believe in the future then this will produce much faster some articles. That topic is hopefully just the start of your Misplaced Pages career :-) quote: ''"I edit wikipedia because since it has given me so much knowledge, i think i should give back."'' Believe me, if you take one step back now, people will surely later be willing to help you more. Everybody wants new editors who contribute for free knowledge - as they do.


1) Article is unstable with too many changes made every couple of days for 8+ weeks.
::not sure if you have seen this already?
2) Edit wars about this article over the past 30 day involving multiple parties.
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Please restart the GA nomination process when either a consensus is reached or the article becomes stable.
::I am still in chat (also the next days) if you would need some explanations about statements (I made or others made). ----] 22:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
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:::Good evening, what would you say, is the article better than at begin ? I have seen users also suggesting explicitly what they don't like. I'd start there and try to "win" them. This all is not about a group against the other. Where on earth can you easily find people who give feedback ?
:::I could imagine that it was quite hectic + energy consuming the last days because of the many interactions. :-( It could help perhaps to slow down (or taking some time off) in editing on that article ? There are so many articles out there waiting for you.
:::And most important: not the article is important here - it's the (Misplaced Pages-)experience you take with all that. I'd see this all really as more a good thing than bad. <small>P.S. my offer with the chat still counts :-)</small> ----] 01:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


Cheers! ] (]) 22:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
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Hi TeenInvestor, while I like your premise and I like your ideas, I really think you should leave the article for other people. I made this point on the discussion but I'll reiterate again; it sounds hysterical, and the grammar... well, I suggest you take some time and read it aloud, as I gave up after the first paragraph. Please, if you want to win your debate, go through and give it a proper clean up, because only you can say what you really mean to say; it'd be a pity to see it lost under an editor's harsh changes that might not say exactly what you want. As of now, the edits will have to take your points one way or another because they are ridiculously ambiguous. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 3 weeks due to your continued ] and accusations against {{user|Gun Powder Ma}} as evidenced as well as other edits. If another admin considers unblocking this editor, please consult with me first. ] <small>(])</small> 19:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:In case there was any doubt, your interaction ban remains in effect. See ]. ] <small>(])</small> 17:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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The reason I say hysterical is because I think you're trying too hard to justify everything you say by saying too much.


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I'll just point out somethings I think you should rewrite. I attempted it, but there were far too many things I didn't understand.
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First of all, you need a better introduction to each of your points. "Both of the empires were unprecedented in size, chronology and unity" ; "For most of the past two millenia, China was the largest economy on Earth. "Roman society was a relatively hierachial society." ; "The Romans extended their empire to its ecological limits to the west (the Atlantic Ocean) and the south (the Saharan Desert)." ; sentance like these are either ambiguous or covers one spectrum without the other. It's kind of minor, but definitely worth looking into. It should be obvious from the start what you're talking about, which it isn't.
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"Below is a comparison of these two empires in several areas" is unnecessarily redundant. Also, in your introduction, you include a lot of somewhat irrelevant facts. You could just as easily had said:
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Your Geopolitical evolution section is in need of a rewrite, because, as SAT prep books like to say, the best writing is normally concise. For example, insteand of Geopolical evolution, you could say, Formation or the Rise of the empires. Also, your grammar is a bit dodgy: "The subsequent collapse of both empires also bear striking similarities; both were split into two halves, one that contained the original core but was more exposed to the main barbarian periphery (the west in the Roman case, the north in China), and a traditionalist half in the east (Rome) and south (China)" It should be a colon, not a semi-colon, because you're explaining something that had been stated in the preceeding clause, but again this is up to you.
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But hey, the reason I'm not making these changes already is because I'm not quite sure what you might mean, and again, some of these points are rather moot. However, I think I reflect the general tone when I say you should clean it up. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Agreed. I think you are probably editing way too fast and adding stuff rather than cleaning up. I'm sure you know people's names get capital letters, but you wrote 'pines' instead of 'Pines', and you'd probably catch some of your spelling errors if you went over them.


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:You need to also accept that if the article is kept, a lot of it will be deleted. Most if not all of the experienced editors agree that except for minor details the sources need to be sources that are comparing the two empires. Everything that isn't sourced in that way needs to be removed. As it says below in the window I'm typing in, we all have to accept that our writing may be 'edited mercilessly'. You need to just go with the flow with that, Misplaced Pages is a collaborative exercise and no one owns an article. ] (]) 07:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


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After a brief intermission over the Northern hemisphere summer season and the Southern hemisphere's mid-winter, ''Positively Economics'' is back. In recent weeks it has been my privilege to work on countering ] with a couple of articles on the economic history of Uganda. Projects like these help, little by little, to open up new areas on knowledge to Western audiences. Indeed, with English in the ascendancy when it comes to second languages, many other audiences too.


Both of the new creations made the front page via the ] section for newly-created or significantly expanded articles. I would encourage other editors, particularly those who like badges, to try to get more economics articles onto the front page through this and other sections. Those with a particularly competitive bent might also wish to consider signing up for the ] (great for focussing the mind).
Hi Teeninvestor. Your comparison article would make an excellent learning resource at Wikiversity. I'm more than happy to import and help you set it up, though make sure you ] first to make the attributions easier :-). --] | <sup>]</sup> 14:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
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Done, see ]. I'd recommend leaving notes on the talk pages of the folks you've been debating with to help it grow there :-). --] | <sup>]</sup> 15:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
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::Nope, we don't keep them up to date to each other, but rather let them develop independently. I think you'll find the working environment a lot better on wv in any case (you seem to have attracted the deletionists here), so it's likely the wp article that will need updating, rather than the other way around. --] | <sup>]</sup> 19:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


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::No, no cannons were used, because the "cannon" did not exist in the early 12th century. They had gunpowder formulas which were powerful enough to burst through bamboo casings, but it was not until the late 12th century that the Chinese enriched gunpowder formulas with enough potassium nitrate to burst through iron shells. However, these iron shells were not shot from cannon; they were lobbed from siege machines like bombs or grenades. The earliest confirmed specimen for a small bronze hand cannon from China dates to the late 13th century. Actual heavy field-size metal cannons which have been discovered in China date no earlier than the early 14th century, the Yuan period.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 23:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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As per your response to me on Arilangs talk page, Im not really sure you can call the Roman Empire as barbaric in that sense as the reason for Carthage burning was not just to show dominance over the people. British colonialism figure of 130million? do you have anywhere to link me to specifically about this? Ill agreee with American, Japanese and potentially Russian empire actions are easier to define. Im interested in what you have to say, im not saying China was brutal but certainly the way of rulership caused deaths in past dynasty's too? thanks--CorrectlyContentious 08:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


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Thanks! Well, as usual, I'm always busy. These days, it's hard for me to pay as much attention to Wiki as I did in the past. The main article on Han Dynasty will be updated in time, but I've got four more branch articles to work on first (society and culture, government, economy, and science and technology). When those are done, I'll work on the main article. Your work on it so far is most welcome considering its dinky size and the poor shape that it is still in. I also made a comment on the ] article; are you going to provide a link for it in the main Ming Dynasty article any time soon? It perhaps deserves its own section in the main Ming Dynasty article.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 19:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Good candidate for another new article:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhBShGlZjI&feature=related
::No, it looks fine for now. When you gather enough citations from different sources, feel free to provide at least a paragraph in that new section explaining the branch article for Ming's Economy. Thanks.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 19:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Once again, thanks! And also, sorry for not responding to you right away. Like I said before, I can't be on Misplaced Pages all the time! In regards to the Liu Song Dynasty, I don't have any specific sources on hand that I own (spare generic works like Patricia Ebrey's ''Cambridge Illustrated History of China'', 1999), but if I was to rewrite the Liu Song article, I could visit my university library to scour necessary sources. That article, unfortunately, is not on my top priority list at the moment.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 22:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


Civilization: Is the West History - Pt1. (Competition) <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small><font color="blue"> <sup>]</sup></font></b></i> 06:18, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::::It's ok to use ]s (like the '']'' 宋书) in certain areas of the article, like when you think a direct quotation from an original source is needed (for example, a memorial essay sent to the throne by a prominent official). However, according to ], you cannot use a primary source like the ''Book of Song'' alone; you must use books, journal articles, and commentary of modern secondary authors and scholars. I had a long argument with a person at ] about why the '']'' cannot be fully trusted as a wholly reliable source given some conflicting information from other sources pointed out by modern scholars.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 01:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::That sounds acceptable.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 03:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::It looks fine for now. It's at least now organized in a comprehensible way, with society and culture, as well as government, separated from the history section.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 01:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


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== ''The Bugle'': Issue LXIII, May 2011 ==
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== ''The Bugle'': Issue LXIV, June 2011 ==
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Like I have mentioned on my talk page, I congratulate and salute you for your eagerness in contributions towards China-related articles. Please check ] and you might understand the ''long-term'' and the complexity, and politic involved, in trying to create well balanced China-related wiki articles. Like I have said before, please try you best to encourage other new editors to come to wiki, provided they know Chinese history like the way you understand history, because when we eventually come to consensus counting, or voting, we have the advantage of ''majority rules''.<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small><font color="blue"> <sup>]</sup></font></b></i> 06:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
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== ''The Bugle'': Issue LXV, July 2011 ==
====Better and more effective====
I read your discussion with Madalibi, and understand your arguments. Since wikipedia is a 💕, some of your arguments in fact can be turned into new wikis. For example:
# ], we can talk about many unfair ''Laws'' imposed on Han Chinese by ]
# ], we can talk about all those uprisings and rebellions aimed at ''Barbarians Manchu'' using Confucius inspired ]
# ], quotations such as 寜给外人, 不给家奴, emphasize that in empress Cixi's mind, all the Han Chinese were her 家奴, slaves,], not even ], let alone ''citizens''. Another good one is:量中華之物力,结与國之欢心(my translation:Just give them anything we can afford, as long as foreigners are happy, it's OK with me.)


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== ''The Bugle'': Issue LXVI, August 2011 ==
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]. She's a beauty, isn't she? I've placed it in the main Han Dynasty article already.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 22:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


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It's not so much that the Song was particularly weak (they were able to consolidate the south and invade the Ly Dynasty of Vietnam); it was just that they had very powerful neighbors in the north, very different ones than during Han and Tang. The Xi Xia and Liao Dynasties were the opposite of the garden variety nomadic groups which populated the northern steppe during Han and Tang. These were fairly sinicized and settled states, capable of sustaining their own armies with agricultural foodstuffs (instead of like the Xiongnu relying on Han food through raids) and mustering huge forces of native Chinese in their kingdoms as well as nomadic cavalry. The Song wasn't able to thwart the offensives of the Liao Dynasty until it built the "Great Ditch" of Hebei province, which pretty much halted any hopes of Liao to employ a lightening-fast cavalry advance through the North China Plain. I think if the Song was able to retake the Sixteen Prefectures, then the Khitans would never have been able to recover, let alone threaten Song. The incidence of Liao's fall also provided the Jurchens with ample opportunity to catch the Song when they "had their pants down" so to speak, since the Song had to deal with crushing a simultaneous domestic rebellion, re-routing much of their forces, and failed to show up for much of the fight in the north. True, Song military command was weak and corrupt, and the civil establishment certainly made efforts to weaken the military command in fears of a return of ], but that's not the whole story. About the Cambridge thing, I've never been on it, so I wouldn't be able to tell you. In any case, I have to go, as I'm going to a friend's house. It is a Friday night, after all! Cheers.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 03:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
::Right, the Song was strangely disinterested and apathetic to their own situation; even after Kaifeng fell, Emperor Gaozong, worried about his own political survival as emperor, arranged only for the return of his mother and not for the demoted Huizong and Qinzong, since their return would mean that Qinzong would be once again thrust onto the throne. However, this is pretty much the same situation that happened with the Zhengtong Emperor and Jingtai Emperor of the Ming Dynasty.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 18:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think that the difference between Song and Ming economies deserves their own article; the differences can be explained sufficiently in the separate articles for the Economy of the Song Dynasty and Economy of the Ming Dynasty.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 18:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm...that's an even broader topic. Perhaps you should consider spelling all of this out in the already-established article ]. That article looks painfully small and unattended to; it could use the touch of a good Wiki editor such as yourself.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 18:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hi Teeninvestor. You could start with Gang Deng's (1999); unfortunately I don't know too many sources "right off the top of the bat" that focus solely on the premodern Chinese economy. Do you live near a prominent library, preferably a university library? If so, check out their online catalogues and you should find a wealth of good sources.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 00:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Some things are missing on your timeline; don't forget to mention that the Yuan Dynasty favored merchants far more than previous dynasties, including the Song. Morris Rossabi (''Khubilai Khan: His Life and Times'', 1988) writes that the merchants during the Yuan were used as creditors for the Mongol nobility, as the Mongol-government returned the favor by providing merchants with low-interest loans, low tax rates on commercial transactions, and the freedom to amass their own armed retinue of bodyguards. The latter was unheard of in previous Chinese dynasties. The Mongol government especially favored Muslim traders, since they built key business relationships with Muslim countries of Asia. Kublai also treated artisans and craftsmen fairly well, having the government review their conditions periodically, granted them rations, exempted them from labor service, and made sure that they could easily compete with merchants in selling their wares in the market.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 04:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If you want to look at notes I used for the Han Dynasty, look here ] and you can navigate through all the sandbox pages.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 04:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::The only free way I know how to access them is through Google Books, but that only allows partial views. The link with my notes to Cambridge History of China (Qin and Han version) above are notes that I took over a long period of time when I checked out the Cambridge History of China from my University Library at George Mason.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 23:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::'''Jesus Tap-Dancing Whiskey-Drinking Christ'''! Lol. Have enough sub-sections? Seriously, though, articles are not allowed to exceed 100 KB of prose content. '''Period'''. Even if you limited each one of those sub-sections to about four sentences each, your article would probably still be hovering around a prose size limit that is unacceptable according ]. You know what I would do? I would keep the sub-sections in there for now as markers for you to remember what you want to write about. However, I would eliminate about '''half of them''' as I went along; instead of having entire sub-sections for items like ], I would simply mention such subjects in about a sentence or two, and then move on to the next vital subject or item that needs to be covered in the article. Do you follow me? In essence, you are going to have to sacrifice a lot of detail and only mention vital things if you want to have a comprehensive article for the entire history of the economy of China.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 02:01, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


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== ''The Bugle'': Issue LXXII, March 2012 ==
Hi Teeninvestor. Developing ] sounds like a great and ambitious project! I'm glad you're getting involved in it. There are tons of books to recommend for all periods, but just for starters... On the Qing, you should probably start from the article called "" (by two senior economic historians called Ramon H. Myers and Yeh-chien Wang ) in the (2002) of the ''Cambridge History of China'' (CHC). That article also cites all kinds of excellent studies that you can consult too. For the Ming, use the following two articles from the :


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== ''The Bugle'': Issue LXXIII, April 2012 ==
The same book (CHC, Ming 2) also has articles on the Ming fiscal administration (by Ray Huang) and Ming communications and commerce (by Timothy Brook). You can get some of the CHC's from http://www.scribd.com, by the way.


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::Hi teen investor. There are no simple answers to your questions, and you are simply going to have to take many trips to a library to seek them all out. Walter Scheidel and Sitta von Reden in their ''The Ancient Economy'' (2002) even note the troubles of making the most accurate estimate of the overall GDP for the Roman Empire. Since the various governments of premodern India left us no concrete census information (unlike Chinese sources), it is all speculation when coming up with estimated figures for India's population in every period of the premodern age. As you noted, "India" was politically divided for much longer and more frequent periods of time than was "China". Even during the heights of Indian power, such as during the Mauryan period, Gupta period, and Chola Dynasty (despite much of the Indian subcontinent being ruled by contemporary Chalukya for the latter), the Indians (from what I gather) did not leave behind much literary evidence for the size of the populations that their rulers governed. The work of estimating their populations is up to modern historians, but I would imagine that not all of them have formed a solid consensus for each period of Indian history. If accurate figures for population can't even be discerned, then neither will you find satisfactory estimates for GDP (naturally). Also, since economics is '''not my specialty''', I really don't have any strong familiarity with a range of books and articles on economics. I don't mind helping you a bit with your gigantic new project, but understand that my aid will be limited, as I am busy with not only my Han Dynasty project, but also real life concerns (we all have lives outside of Misplaced Pages, after all). I wish you the best of luck. Cheers.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 00:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, but you're not asking for my help with a particular dynasty (that's a small job); you're asking for my help to gather information on economics for '''every''' dynasty and the modern age, and how the GDP of every period in Chinese history compares with every other world region's share of GDP in every era of recorded world history (or are you just trying to compare China's to India's? That much is unclear to me). Much of the sources I used for ] I have returned to the library; in fact, 80% to 85% of the sources you see used in my articles are ones that I do not personally own. Like I said, you are going to need access to a library if you are at all serious about tackling this project. Feel free to use ] if you need information on economics for the ] specifically.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 00:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As for your sandbox, it looks like you have a lot of useful info so far, but I have a feeling that someone in a later Featured Article Candidate page will gripe about the size of the introduction (should be limited to about three paragraphs). Shorten it somehow; you will do your future self a gigantic favor.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 01:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure, I could help you out with the Han Dynasty section.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 01:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I can do the Han and Song sections. I hope you don't mind if I don't immediately start work on them, though. I'm trying to finish Science and Tech of the Han Dynasty over at my sandbox page, but I can commit to your project as soon as that is complete.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 02:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


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Please have a look at http://news.boxun.com/forum/200902/lishi/11116.shtml, it should be a very interesting book.<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small><font color="blue"> <sup>]</sup></font></b></i> 03:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


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::沒問題; there's no need to apologize, Teeninvestor. Sorry to hear about your losses. I did not know about your plan to transfer info to later articles, such as Economy of Absolutist China, Post-Tang, etc, but I think it is a good idea. I will add info for the Han section, but it will come slowly, as I have work to do tonight and will be busy tomorrow until about 5:00 pm.--<strong>]</strong><sup>]</sup> 03:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


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http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/History/31218600.html This is the best ever article I have read on internet, which explain the fatal weakness with Ming military force.<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small><font color="blue"> <sup>]</sup></font></b></i> 15:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


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Article explains why Ming went bankrupted http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/History/31218940.html<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small><font color="blue"> <sup>]</sup></font></b></i> 16:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


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Blocked for violating restriction

You are now blocked for 3 weeks for editing both Great Divergence, Economic history of China (pre-1911) and Chinese economic reform in violation of your editing restriction. Your editing restriction will remain in effect after the block has expired. Toddst1 (talk) 14:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

How is Chinese economic reform and Great Divergence in my editing restriction? GPM has edited it exactly twice in the past month and hasn't commented there in weeks. This is an obvious case of trip-up. First the above user invites me to comment on ANI and then blocks and topic bans me for putting an issue on ANI (this alone is extremely outrageous) Then he blocks me for 3 weeks for the "crime" of editing an article that GPM edited 3-5 weeks ago. This is outrageous. If wikipedia treats its contributers like this it won't last long.Teeninvestor (talk) 14:49, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
GPM as edited the article within one month. I will take this to ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 17:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Unblocked with caveats

Per the e-mail you've sent me, I've unblocked you, as long as those provisions are kept. However, remember to keep a cool head, don't act rashly, and don't interact with GPM. Avoid the controversial articles, and all of that jazz. --Patar knight - /contributions 03:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Are there any other areas you could would like to contribute in for a couple of months and perhaps at your RFCU offer to voluntarily take three months off editing the disputed topic and associated articles to gain experience in policies and guidelines. Off2riorob (talk) 15:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I hope you don't disappear. I've always enjoyed learning new information by reading the articles you create. I thought I wrote a thank-you for Qing conquest theory but it seems I never saved the edit. —Soap— 23:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Recent actions

I saw Gun Powder Ma's recent tag on Chinese economic reform as it happened, and seeing that it was dubious (from what I read about the Chinese Civil War), looked to the Loren 4 source to find the unsourced fact and indeed it was there. When I went to cite it, though, you had already done it with an aggrieved edit summary. Your assessment that it was a provocation was probably correct, though you are not flattered in the new ANI complaint for which GPM used that edit. My suggestion would be to not be so quick to take the bait, when uninvolved editors can easily fix it. If you had waited five minutes there, you would probably look much better (and GPM worse) to uninvolved judges. Quigley (talk) 19:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Review of Article

Hi, before I even start to review it, please updated your references. Please look http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cite_book to see the proper format to reference a book; all the book references you are using are not in a proper format. Look at example 1 and example 2 on the link i posted. Article looks good tho! Cheers! Meishern (talk) 21:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC) ...i pasted the link .. not sure why didnt work before, sorry. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 13:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I am failing the GA nomination of the article Chinese economic reform.

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1) Article is unstable with too many changes made every couple of days for 8+ weeks. 2) Edit wars about this article over the past 30 day involving multiple parties. 3) Person who nominated the article was banned for 3 weeks because of comments pertaining to the nominated article. (Whoever nominated the article should be present to at least answer 1 question from me, this is not a Misplaced Pages rule, it is my own. The previous 2 points above are Misplaced Pages rules and warrant failure of the article)

Please restart the GA nomination process when either a consensus is reached or the article becomes stable.

Cheers! Meishern (talk) 22:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Blocked again

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 3 weeks due to your continued hounding and accusations against Gun Powder Ma (talk · contribs) as evidenced in this edit summary as well as other edits. If another admin considers unblocking this editor, please consult with me first. Toddst1 (talk) 19:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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Explanation: I was blocked for "violating" an interaction ban put in place for an early release to a 48 hour block that the community had deemed ineffective, and even the blocking admin stated that the restriction should have been modified. 1 2 3 4 5. Prior to my block, I was under the impression that community discussion had overturned the sanctions; I was not given as much as a warning. In addition, even assuming that the block was correct, a three-week block for violating a restriction put in lieu of a 48 hour block is completely disproportionate and a great example of WP:GAME (the "punishment" block being ten times the length of the original block); at most, I should serve twice my original block, which I have already. For these two reasons I believe the block should be reduced or eliminated altogether. In addition, I question the actions of the the blocking admin, user:Toddst1. He has been completely one sided considering that he had completely ignored massive bouts of personal attacks and harassment from the editor I "harassed" (although I had performed no personal attacks but was restricted for posting on ANI) 1 2 3. 1 even when I brought it to his attention on his talk page. He advised me to go to ANI 3. The most outrageous part is when he blocked me for following his advice to go to ANI and imposed the sanctions on me which lead to this block in the first place (I also ask for a review of my initial block and resulting sanctions which I also felt to be illegitimate, as they were imposed for going on ANI).Teeninvestor (talk) 23:10, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

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Positively Economics

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After a brief intermission over the Northern hemisphere summer season and the Southern hemisphere's mid-winter, Positively Economics is back. In recent weeks it has been my privilege to work on countering systemic bias with a couple of articles on the economic history of Uganda. Projects like these help, little by little, to open up new areas on knowledge to Western audiences. Indeed, with English in the ascendancy when it comes to second languages, many other audiences too.

Both of the new creations made the front page via the Did you know? section for newly-created or significantly expanded articles. I would encourage other editors, particularly those who like badges, to try to get more economics articles onto the front page through this and other sections. Those with a particularly competitive bent might also wish to consider signing up for the 2011 Wikicup (great for focussing the mind). - Jarry1250  18:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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    Before the articles about economists were added, the project had very few unsourced biographies of living people; now there are a little over a hundred. If we can clear them, however, then it is unlikely that there will be many more. Again, they represent some of our least cared-for articles, and often present good targets for cleaning up.

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Good candidate for another new article:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhBShGlZjI&feature=related

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You seem like you have not edited in a while. What happened? Scientific Alan 2 23:14, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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