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	I have actually been contributing to ] for several weeks (under my IP address), but anyway, thanks! I know I'm certainly not the best or most frequent contributor, but I try to help out where and when I can. ] 15:43, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
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	== Thank you for the feedback ==

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	Thank you for contributing to Misplaced Pages. However, I had to revert your changes you made to the ] article today. Firstly, you made a statement - "obviously enhanced (e.g. her climactic solo has her voice electronicly layered) vocals" - without citing a source or reference. It is important for Misplaced Pages to be able to ] their information, and because of this, you must always ], especially with "hot" topics such as whether Duff's vocals are enhanced by computers or not. I added a quote from a film critic and a link to the review from said critic, but I can't keep track of everything, so you must get in the habit of adding references as well, even if that means just a URL in square brackets at the end of the sentence, like this: <nowiki></nowiki>, which would appear in the article as this: . Secondly, you marked your edit as "minor". Edits should only be marked as "minor" when they are correcting spelling, or making small alterations to formatting, or rearranging (but not adding, deleting or changing) portions of text. See ] for more information on this. Once again, thank you for contributing to Misplaced Pages. ] 22:27, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	] I appreciate you pointing out that I did not source the text regarding Hilary Duff's voice-enhancement. I went back and added three more references, as I should have done in the beginning. Now I know how to do footnotes correctly! Thank you for taking the time to let me know. ] 23:44, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


	...and thanks for helping me clean up the notations. Much better now! btw - I like HD too! ] 08:16, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Thanks! ==

	] Thank you very much for writing the '']'' article. I meant to do it myself, but I thought there wasn't enough info for a seperate article. Maybe you could add a section for the cast too (or copy the table from ]? - ]\|] 13:30, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
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	I didn't really like '']'' (and have never been mad on ]), so that's why I didn't write too much on it. But, by all means, feel free to improve it yourself if you want to (a lot of the article was originally written by you, after all!). You can find episode guides at , although the main cast list on that site is inaccurate: as you probably know, the members of S Club 8 weren't playing themselves. For that, I'd suggest consulting the , which I am working to improve (but ignore the "lead writer" writing credit for Paul Dornan, he only received episode-specific credits). ] 17:01, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	*Not a fan and you still take the time to split off the article. Misplaced Pages needs more people like that. :) ]\|] 20:37, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

	== About ] article. Thanks! ==

	] Thank you very much for writing the '']'' article. By the way, you did a really great article. Congratulations! -- ] 15:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	Thank you for your kind words about my work on the ] article! It's nice to know that somebody out there has read it, no matter how "unknown" she is as an actress. Once again, thanks! ] 21:42, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	== Did you know? ==

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	== J-Horror ==

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	I transferred the ] link you included on the '']'' article to the "See also" section, as it means people won't have to go to another page just to see what "J-Horror" is. ] 18:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	Ah, no problem. I did think a link like that right at the beginning of the article could confuse some people. Better this way, I think. Thanks for informing. By the way, if you have any interesting contributions to add to the ] article, that would be nice. It's still just a stub.

	See you.--] 20:48, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Apologies & New System ==

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	Please stop removing the inline citations I inserted on the ] article! As you know, the factual accuracy of the article is in dispute, and references are needed to make sure that the article is correct. You may think I went overboard, but what I did obeys the guidelines at ]. Please stop! ] 9 July 2005 19:06 (UTC)
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	Sorry, I didn't mean to completely ruin it, just wasn't really paying attention while doing a re-write. Can I ask you to not add references to all sections and just wait until one section is fully complete before you begin the next. Currently only the early life and family section has references, so please find references for that and just add them until you move on. ] 9 July 2005 19:25 (UTC)

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	Okay, thanks for explaining! I won't revert the changes, and I'll sleuth sources to add to the article before inserting more inline citations. ] 20:03, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
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	==what?==

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	Please stop removing content from Misplaced Pages. It is considered ]. If you want to experiment, please use the ]. Thank you. ] 01:09, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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	And what, may I ask, did I vandalise?
	] 01:29, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

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	:You removed the entire reference section on the ] article, and deleted all inline citations within the article. Additionally, while NPOV violation does not count as vandalism, you added POV words such as "expansive" and "impeccable". ] 01:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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	::Another thing: Remember to always ] on ]. Typing four tildes after your comment ( ~~~~ ) will insert a signature showing your ] and a date/time stamp, which is very helpful. ] 01:28, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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	Oh, that.
	The only reason why I did that was because I believed that we had all come to the consensus that so much references were not needed. (see the talk page). If I did anything wrong, that was not my intention. Furthurmore, how is 'expansive" POV? I only wrote it because:
	*It true;
	*That was how her voice was described in the ']' article.
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	:::It was concluded that citations at the end of each sentence weren't needed; however, that doesn't mean that all citations should be removed. Additionally, you removed a reference which wasn't an inline citation. And just because something is said on one article does not mean it can be said on others; the ] article is POV-ridden, and should not be referred to in this case. A five-octave range is, by definition, "expansive", so instead of adding "expansive" to the section, you could simply provide a few references in the references section verifying claims that Mariah has a five-octave range. And, to reiterate, "impeccable" is a POV word. ] 01:36, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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	== Mariah Carey ==

	Hello, Extraordinary Machine. I have left a note on ]'s page and would also like to ask that you acted a little more calmly on this matter. I do not mean that you are wrong, but perhaps you should use a little more patience in your approach. I am sure that both you and him share interest for the article's subject, but it benefits no one if this becomes an edit war. Thank you for your attention. --] 03:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

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	I appreciate your note on my talk page. I'm sure you'll agree that sometimes it can get hot in here, but believe me, I try to keep my cool whenever possible. It's just hard to do this when somebody says things like "Why don't you fools stop getting your panties in a bunch over nothing and let the article be!" (in reference to the ] article). ] 23:08, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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	:Trust me, that's a feeling most of us share, but you know how things work around here. We try to be as neutral as possible for a long as possible. I do hope you all can reach a consensus regarding information on the article, since it has potential to actually become featured some day. Cheers. --] 00:34, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

	==Ago gratias!==

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	I, ], hereby present ] to ], for his/her outstanding contributions to ]. Your work is of the highest quality and you are a model ]. This is long overdue! ] 13:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
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	Salve, Extraordinary! <br>I am delighted by your commendation. I've promoted several articles as FACs. I've won a few (e.g. ], ], ]), lost a few (e.g. ], ]). It's been my frustrations with FAC's that led to by irritated post on my home page ("Nihil nisi malum"). Your remarks lessen my stress, if just a little. <br>From your home page, I see you too work on pop culture topics. If I can help in your areas or you want me to look over an article, let me know. Ave atque vale! ] 14:03, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

	==Mariah Images==

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	In reference to ], ] and ], please do not upload images to Misplaced Pages without providing information on their source or copyright status. I'm glad that you want the Mariah Carey article to be as aesthetically pleasing as possible, but I must stress that according to ], ] and ], '''all''' images uploaded to and used in Misplaced Pages '''must''' be ], and have sufficient information on their source and copyright status. Thank you. ] 23:24, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
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	Hi. With reference to the pics, I have found the source. I forget to write the info at times.
	*], was found at . Its a German site, but if you scroll down you will find it.

	*] found at . It is a screenshot of the single 'through the rain'
	*], -the link is present on the page. The pic is under fair use as it is the photo on the album. Its practically the same pic as the one that currently heads her bio.

	] 03:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

	== Unblocked ==

	Sorry about the collateral damage. You're released (unlike the real ]). Heh. --] ] 20:22, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

	== GNAA FAC ==
	Yes, I have answered the copyright questions about the image you were refering to. I first released it as GFDL, which was a no-no, because I used Internet Explorer to make a screen shot. Another user cropped the IE stuff out, but I was told it could not be GFDL, because a press release is copyrighted. So, I put the copyright information on the image page and the person who objected to the image status retracted his claim. ] ] 00:08, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Working on a new section for ]. Wanted to know what you think... I was also going to include the Online Fanbase section, but I don't think its terribly notable/useful considering the external links... which I plan to reorganize and elaborate on just a touch anyway. - ]] <sup>]</sup> 00:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

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	I think it reads fine, and I'm sure it will make a great addition to the '']'' article. Additionally, it's great that you are keeping those who commented on the recent peer review up to date on the article's development. Once again, keep up the good work! ] 16:48, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
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	== Reply ==

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	I noticed that you have created filmographies on several articles for actors and actresses, such as ] and ]. However, many of the wikilinks you inserted lead to ], or in some cases the wrong articles completely. Please check where the links you inserted lead to, disambiguate them if they lead to the wrong place (for example, '']'' instead of '']'', which leads to the flower), and check if the film isn't already listed under a different name. See ] for more information. Thanks! ] 19:57, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
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	Thank you for your message, often times I'm so busy trying to get in the filmography I don't stop and check the links, I defiently will for future times. I see you also have an interest in pop culture, very cool :) Well, take care. ] 21:18, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

	==Southland Tales==

	I'm sorry, but was the casting comment POV?

	A number of Richard Kelly fans at the linked forum and previous Donnie Darko fans (at a non-kelly-centered site) expressed surprise at the casting choices... And the point wasn't to suggest that somehow these weren't as credible as the other crew and staff (pardon if the "mainstream" word suggested otherwise) but that the nature of their work and success differed from that of others involved, which had surprised some (Kelly fans in particular) as to their inclusion.

	Is this point completely invalid? I admit that it might be better placed somewhere else in the text, more carefully phrased, but I dunno, maybe I'm blind as to this, but again, is it really POV?] 14:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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	Sorry about that. Feel free to insert the comment back into the article, as long as you provide external links to the forums you inserted straight after the sentence. I'm just wary about statements including ]s such as "some fans" when there is no source backed up. For example, it used to say on ] that "] is considered to be a One-hit wonder, with this song, and it's doubtful that he will ever have another hit." {{unsigned\|Extraordinary Machine\|18:11, 26 August 2005}}
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	:You know what? I've checked around a bit and screw it, it WAS POV, in that I'm starting to think that I felt that what I took for the general impression as to the casting ''was'' the existing impression, and I'm finding no solid back-up for that, besides a passing comment on the board as to it having some teen-movie stars or somesuch, and on another board something about the movie sounding utter wank due to the cast and etc. Neither of which are noteworthy. So I'll admit that it was most likely a matter of me retroactively reading things the way I expected them to be read by others, or somesuch idiotic process. Really sorry about that; it's fine as it is and it's as it should be. ] 18:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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	I'm curious as to why you changed one of the categories on the article ] from "People of Ontario" to "Toronto people". As the article states, Clark was born in ] (which is in the ], but is not in Toronto itself), and then moved to Florida, and then back up to Ontario (but not to Toronto). I could find no evidence to suggest that he ever lived in the city of Toronto. Although I backed up my contributions to that article with references, I'm wondering if I got it wrong, and hope that you can clear this up for me. Thanks! ] 14:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
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	Yeah, i ve been categorising people in the Greater Toronto area as Toronto people. would you say i should not? People i ve met from Mississauga or Scarborough have introduced themselves as being from Toronto - i supposed people from anywhere in Greater To. considered themselved Torontonians. maybe people from outside Toronto city but within Greater To. should be put in both catergories? appreciate the input, -] 13:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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	:Well, I don't live anywhere near Toronto, and I'm not familiar with the geography of the area, so if you think the category should be changed back, then I won't object. Thanks for the information! ] 18:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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	:okay. yeah, it would be best to get the opinion of some wiki user from the area - like you, i m not from the area. in the meantime, i ll see that Clark's page has both cats on it. good talking to you, -] 05:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

	==Barnstar==
	] awards the aptly named Extraordinary Machine for his exceptional contributions to Misplaced Pages (especially to the ] article). Keep up the good work.]]
	You might want to move this to your user-page:)

	</sup/><p style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC, Comic Sans MS;"><font size=2.5>'''] '''</sup>''' ]'''/ '''] </sup>

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	Wow, I wasn't expecting that...thank you so much! Coincidentially enough, I was listening to "]" when I read your message. Once again, thank you! ] 18:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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	== Re: The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar ==

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	I, ], hereby present ] to ], for his/her honourable dedication to catching and revert article ] within minutes (and sometimes even less). You have gone to great lengths to preserve the integrity of Misplaced Pages, and you should be applauded for your efforts. ] 23:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
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	: Thank you kindly for the barnstar. I now need to reconfigure my user page a bit. :) ] 21:26, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

	==Reply==

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	Here are some reasons why using template infoboxes is more helpful than using raw syntax directly into the article (click ] and ] for more information). I already explained some of these at ], but I thought I should go into more detail:
	# To reduce article size.
	# To increase the ease of editing pages. Misplaced Pages aims to be an encyclopedia article than '''anyone''' can edit. Using raw syntax in articles keeps that from happening. The infobox is much easier to use for those not overly familiar with how to use the syntax.
	# To keep a consistent appearance of single articles throughout Misplaced Pages. If somebody decides to do something different with the syntax in a new article, it would then not match up with any other article that uses that syntax. With infoboxes, you can edit the syntax in one place, and the changes are reflected across Misplaced Pages.
	# Closely related to the above, to make sure articles obey the WikiProject Music and Song guidelines (as well as Misplaced Pages's ], which the version you prefer to use (and keep reverting to) does not. The album's title should be on a yellow background with the single's title, "Director" should give a clue as to what the word means, chart positions should be in their own section and be in order of the single's position, and song years in the chronology at the bottom should be in parentheses. ] 11:46, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
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	The syntax is not confusing at all, since its been adopted by most single articles. Personally, that infobox looks like a mess and is more confusing. I think your point in point 3 gives exactly the reason why we don't want to use a template. Not every article wants to have every section mentioned. How is that template I'm using not following MoS? The music guidelines never said anything about chart positions having their own spot until some random person edited it in a week ago! How, does the action of one person become official policy? ] 12:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

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	:The syntax is confusing: just because you are accustomed to editing it, it doesn't mean that anybody else wants to (). And it's better to be able to edit it from one place than go through every single article and make sure they are correct. I have already explained this to you. The specific order of single positions is to prevent edit wars arising from which country should be listed first (I see you've had disagreements with other editors in the recent past about this issue, looking at your edit history). It's a useful policy, whether it was added a week ago or a year ago. ] 12:20, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
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	:The syntax is not confusing, your box is. And many people have used this template, so it cant be that confusing at all. And I have already explained how that would only be problematic. Looking at my edits? So you're going to stalk me now? I don't agree with this policy. I could just go that page and change it. Just because one person changed it, doesnt suddenly make if official policy. The USA positions should generally be listed first. That person who disagreed with me, even agreed that. In any case, you've presented an extremely weak argument that has no basis or logic or any official policy on why your template should stay. The articles need to go back to the way they were. ] 12:27, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

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	\| Name = Shake It Off
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	\| Format = ]
	\| Recorded = ???
	\| Genre = ]/]
	\| Length = 3:52
	\| Label = ]
	\| Writer = Mariah Carey <br>] <br>] <br>]
	\| Producer = Mariah Carey <br>Jermaine Dupri <br>Bryan Michael Cox
	\| Video director = ]
	\| Certification = N/A
	\| Chart position = <ul><li>'''#2''' (])</li></ul> <ul><li>TBA (])</li></ul>
	\| Reviews = <nowiki></nowiki>
	* ???
	\| Last single = "]" <br />(])
	\| This single = "Shake It Off" <br />(])
	\| Next single = "]" <br />(])
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			* Haha, you're ''nuts''. =P ] 03:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
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	\|colspan="2" valign="top"\|Mariah Carey<br>Jermaine Dupri<br>Bryan Michael Cox<br>
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	\|colspan="2" valign="top"\|#2 (USA)<br>tba (UK)
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	!align="center" bgcolor="yellow" colspan="3"\|Mariah Carey singles chronology
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	\|valign="top"\|<small>"]"<br />]</small>
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			==] nomination of ]==
	Now tell me: which of the above is shorter? Which is sleeker? Which would be easier to edit if it was to be copied and pasted into another article? I'm not stalking you; edit histories are there for the world to see, so don't complain. Putting USA positions first would be introducing ] in favour of the United States: this is an English language encyclopedia, and is not restricted to the U.S. I've already justified my edits: you're just not listening to my explanations. ] 12:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
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	The 2nd one is easier and much flexible to navigate. Taking the shortcuts in life only bring you down later and gives no freedom. And no, dont give me that nonsense about systematic bias. The USA charts are considered the most relevent charts. Same with the Billboard charts, they are listed by hierachy. If we to do it another way, it would look like a hot mess. And um, no, I've heard your reasons and examined them: they have no merit. You on the other apparently havent' been listening to mine. Besides, if that single template is the offiical template, yours is actually the second template and far from official policy. Then any random who wants to can suddenly create anything! ] 12:47, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

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	Excuse me? I found your response quite hypocritical and ironic, since you aren't following the own rule you campaign so furiously for. Who said I had a probelm with with parentheses in years? Ummmm, I never had an issue with that. Please stop making up information, just because you have a weak case. ] 15:49, 10 September 2005 (UTC) Maybe we could talk about this calmly and stop going around in circles, if you could stop being so hostile and talk in a mature normal fashion. Do you want to try? ] 15:49, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

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	::I was pleasantly surprised by your last comment, and was about to agree to start talking more maturely, but I just noticed your edits to ]. It's unacceptable to do that, especially when you are in the middle of a dispute. You can't edit Misplaced Pages's guidelines to conform to what you think is correct. ] 16:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
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			It's great that you are expanding articles and adding references ... but please please can you fill the references using {{tl\|cite web}}? The ] which you add (e.g , ) are obscure to readers and prone to ].
	EM, thanks for responding maturely, but that's exactly my point. The Wikiproject songs never had any policy stating that chart positions needed their own box. If you look at the history, one week ago Moochocoogle decides to change things. There wasnt even a discussion on the matter. He/She just changed it! I hope one person does not make that policy suddenly official. Just like you don't like how I changed the policy, I don't see how one person who change the policy suddenly made it OK to get rid of single boxes that have been in use for months. ] 16:10, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

			You shouldn't be leaving problems like this for other editors to clean up after you. For help on how to fill a citation, see ], and {{tl\|cite web}}. ] <small>] • (])</small> 12:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
	==Your reply to Mel==

			:Hi @] - noted moving forward.
	EM, I don't think it was fair for you to contact Mel Etitis in this edit war. You said you read my edits, so you know we've been in our own debate over something, and if you want to get someone else as a third opinion, you should get a 3rd party who doesn't have anything against me.
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	:Ok, I see. If we do get a 3rd party, I hope we could get someone else besides him though. Recently, another person who I was in a disagreement with contacted Mel, knowing that Mel had power and a bias against me.
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	And I'm glad we're talking this over more calmly now, but I'm just wondering if you could could answer this question, which you haven't really addressed in your replies. (Or if you have it must have been indirect cause I don't see anything about it, except a slight reference). One person changed the WikiSongs standards. How did that suddenly become official policy? You saw how you reacted when I "changed" the policy (to show you an example). Not suprisingly, imagine how I would feel when I see somebody changed it. If there had been some type of discussion or vote or anything on the policy, that would be reasonable, but it was just one random poster who edited it. ] 00:43, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

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	==OmegaWikipedia replies==

	EM, one last thing about Mel, he is in a debate over another article similar to the problem you have with the live performance section, so I think his reaction, or I know his reaction will be biased. And I've made some edits to compromise on some things. Please see the talk pages for details, but please dont revert, otherwises we will have a revert war, and I think for the sake of fairness, I've tried to accomodate to both our needs, and if you have an issue, please talk it over it on the talk page....but no edit wars please, they're retarded and then we both lose. ] 01:24, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

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	== thanks for the barnstar ==

	Means a lot :). Unfortunately we didn't get either of the Ashlee Simpson articles through :(. Oh well.... maybe it'll be easier next month :). <small>] <sup><font color="#6BA800">]</font> \| <font color="#0033FF">]</font> \| <font color="#FF0000">]</font></sup></small> 05:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


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	Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to do that. I had wanted to restore the image to the original one uploaded by Journalist to include the one with the black bars. I didn't know that would only remove the copyright tag, and not revert the image to its original state with the bars ] 03:30, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

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	Stop undoing my edits. If you continue, a ] will be filed against you. Misplaced Pages is '''not''' your personal playground; you cannot revert other editors into submission. You've been blocked for this type of behaviour in the past, so I'd strongly suggest that you stop guarding these articles as if they were yours to do as you please. ] 21:13, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
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	How am I reverting you into submission? You made an edit that I disagree with, so I restored it. Am I not allowed to do that? And isn't there a thing against threatening people on Misplaced Pages? Maybe I'll file one against you too. I've read those pages, so stop acting so snide. We've been over this time and again, but you still don't get it about your singlebox. A week before you started editing these articles, Moochoogle decided to edit the article. He didn't consult anyone, and there was no discussion before he did it. You suddenly decided that his edit suddenly became official Misplaced Pages policy. I asked you how this worked? Without you answering, I figured that anyone could edit it, so I did, which you reverted because suddenly it didn't work out for you anymore. Even Mel agreed with me when he said there should be a dicussion about this policy. ] 21:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

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	:Funny how you pick apart my point about the Songs WikiProject, and dismiss every other argument I have made justifying the use of the new single infobox. See above for my '''four''' points. As WikiProject Songs states, "This project is not yet fully defined. Feel free to add stuff to make things clearer.", which Moochoogle did. You're not supposed to change the guidelines ''after'' somebody has created one, at least not without a discussion first. No other objections have been raised by any other users about Moochoogle edits, and it's pure common sense to deduct that the guideline he introduced is likely to reduce the likelihood of both edit wars and U.S.-centric systemic bias. But, I forgot, you called it "nonsense". ] 21:32, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
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	:::Again, it's hard to talk to you, when you constantly get rude and snide. I saw your four points, but I disagree with them too.

	:"You're not supposed to change the guidelines after somebody has created one, at least not :without a discussion first."

	The guideline was there before Moochoogle edited it in. Even if no one has complained, that doesnt justify his edit as the bottom line. If I had edited the article a day before Moochoogle, would you accept my edit? Again, what's up with the personal attacks? Isn't that against Misplaced Pages policy too? You shouldn't accusse me of this so called "U.S.-centric systhemic bias" all the time without evidence, and who are you to say who or what is "common sense"? You're probably the first person who had a major problem with it. I've been speaking to other Non US people, and they agree with it, and I even agree with them on articles concering Canadian singers and UK singers. The Spice Girls' chart positions should have the UK come first and I believe they do.

	As WikiProject Songs states, "This project is not yet fully defined. Feel free to add stuff to make things clearer." Which at the end of the day means, your singlebox carries no weight. What this comes down to is a dispute over content. So please stop accusing me of all these false accusations. Like you accused me of violating Misplaced Pages's caption change, when I made a mistake and apoligized. It seems like you're looking for reasons to get me in trouble on flimsy reasons, because you want to get rid of me, and edit the article like you own it. That isnt what Misplaced Pages is. Its about people coming together and trying to work together (instead of you who seems to think you own the article) ] 21:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

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	::As I already said on ], you are in violation of, among others, ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] (have you read any of these yet?). Of all those, you could only have sufficient ground to accuse me of violating the ownership of articles policy, and your argument probably wouldn't hold much water, since you're the one you started this edit war in the first place. I'd present evidence to you backing up my claims, but I know you'd dismiss my accusations without looking at it. Fortunately, ] patrollers are more open-minded than that. ] 22:10, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
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	==Explainations please==

	How am I violating those policies? I even told you in my last reply to you that I made a mistake about the caption! I think it's a little pathethic for you to try to bring me down, when I acknowledged my mistake on the matter. About NPOV, AWT, CITE, and NOR, if you look at the history of "Shake It Off", Mel was able to edit the article in a fashion that I agreed with his second to last edit and I agreed with it. That's all I was asking for - Thankfully, Mel was a better editor than you were and he was able to express the gist of what I was going for to make it seem more NPOV to you. So I'm happy with the way the Shake It Off chart performance section reads now, so I wont revert that. See, EM, thats all you have to do. Reach somewhere in the middle. Compromise with people. Dont get all angry and irrational and accus people of false things.

	When did I do WP:Point? If you're talking about the Wikiproject songs thing, then Moochoogle is just as guilty, and I guess you'd get in troubel too. And the thing about Fancruft talks about fiction with Star Trek and Japanese robots. It doesnt mention anything about live performances.

	The only thing you could possibly accusse me of is Ownership, which you have also violated. And how did I start the edit war? If you look at our discussions, you made an edit, I disagreed, and asked to talk about it, but then you blew up and refused to discuss. I'd think the Rfc people would look down at you more, as I actually tried to talk about it calmly while you blew up like a volcano.

	Now, can we talk about this matter civily, please? ] 22:21, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

	::You're the only one slandering me. I've said time and again, that many of those edits were in mistake, such as the one with the captions, so I'm not sure why you keep accusing me of that ] 23:56, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

	==Extraordinary Machine/temp==
	May I request a ] of ] and its associated ]? I believe it has fulfilled its usefulness. --] 01:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

	==OSD and IKWYW==

	Ok, Ive added a source to the OSD image to make you happy. I dont mind using your IKWYW image, but could you please crop it to avoid the extra space to focus and Mariah and Busta RhymeS? ] 15:28, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	] complained to me that his image ] was deleted before 7 days had passed in ]. He's right, and furthermore, images shouldn't be speedied if there is a claimed source, however disputed and unlikely it may be. Those can go through ]. I'm letting you know because though you didn't speedy it, you tagged it {{tl\|no source}}. ] \| ] 17:35, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

	==Peace==
	] I really dont know what to say. Thank you very much. I also said somethings that I shouldn't have, and for that I also apologise. When I came here, I was all about Mariah Carey, and I had not read and understood the NPOV guidelines etc, but now, all that has changed; I have better grasp of Wiki policies, and my demeanor has changed. Im really not like that, and any comments made by my IP address were made before I opened the ''Journalist'' account. I think its great that we can leave all disagreements in the past. To tell the truth, I also wanted to apologise, but I had no idea what to say.
	Anyway, take care and peace.

	PS:Im currently running for ]. If you would like, you can vote. Dont worry, you can vote ''Oppose'' or ''neutral'' if you think Im not ready for it, no hard feelings what-so-ever.
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	==Copyright Violations==

	Hi, EM. This is just to let you know that you have to remove all pictures from your user page as they are copyright violations and they don't count as fair use. ] 20:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

	== barnstar for ya ==

	], hereby award ''Extraordinary Machine'' a minor barnstar for work done on ]-related articles during the relavant FACs. Its minor one since you state "I have only made small edits", however, if you ask me your edits were just as helpful as my own were :)]]
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	==Commercial Website?==
	You wrote me threatening to block my IP? For adding commercial links? I thought that my links to lyricstemple were perfectly valid and useful for the topic. (Which I assumed was Mariah Carey). Why did you delete my links and threated me? My site is not commercial. I have a few ads, mostly an XML feed from Amazon which is relevent to the artist. {{unsigned\|Jkjazz\|15:18, 26 September 2005}}

	Also, why would you choose to delete my links and leave the links for Rare-Lyrics and All Music Center? I anticipate that you will say that you already have your favorite lyrics sites listed, so why list another? The answer being that LyricsTemple has 32 Mariah Carey music videos which are applicable to the subject matter and holds interest for the visitors. Would you feel better if I pointed my link to my videos page insted of my lyrics page?

	Is it your intent to hunt down all my links and remove them or are you just protecting your Mariah Carey turf? {{unsigned\|Jkjazz\|15:30, 26 September 2005}}

	==Your Reply==
	Re: Commercial Website?

	I sent you those messages because, on half of the articles you edited, there are already external links to web pages about the artists' lyrics. And watch where you're putting them: for example, Olivia is a disambiguation page. Extraordinary Machine 14:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

	My intent is to prevent people from using Misplaced Pages as an advertising vehicle. And please sign your comments with four tildes (] 14:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)) so people know who wrote your messages.

	This is your last warning. The next time you insert a commercial link you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. See Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not. Extraordinary Machine 14:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

	End Your Reply


	Please reply to the points in my comment. I think that I have some valuable points. Wow how many of my entries have you removed? Again, I feel that the presence of Music Videos on my site adds value to my links. Does it bother you that my links say @ LyricsTemple.com? Why do you call my site commercial anyway? I'm not selling anything.] 14:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

	Your Reply
	If you stop inserting links to your website on articles that already have links to lyric web pages, then I won't stand in your way any more. And yes, it does bother me that your links say @ LyricsTemple.com, so I think you should stop writing that as well. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 14:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
	End Your Reply

	So put back my links that you took down! You deleted my links. Are you the CEO or something? Why do I have to please you? How many of my links did you remove?

	So according to you, If there is already a link to a lyrics site, I cannot post my link? What about Music Videos? Should I just sumbit a list of artists I'd like to add my link to and you can let me know which meet your approval?] 15:27, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


	Would you PLEASE send me a list of pages that you deleted my link from? I will edit my entries to meet your requirements.] 16:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

	==Welcome==
	Thanks for the welcome to ]. I forgot that after about 5 minutes of inactivity I get logged out of Misplaced Pages. I'm actually ] 17:20, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

	== Mariah Carey comments ==

	''Please do not insert weasel terms such as "was met with mixed reviews from music critics" without backing it up with an actual source.''

	Well, I am sorry but the truth of the matter is that the album has received mixed reviews. Just do a Google search for "mixed reviews" and "emancipation of mimi" and I think my statement will be justified. I find it humourous that you remove any negative remark about this overrated woman and if you can't justify removing a derogatory statement, you simply delete the entire paragraph!

	==Singles Table==

	Hi, have you seen the current singles table for Mariah Carey? It's a mess. It's missing the R&B Singles Chart, which is the most important chart for R&B artists. If you're going to remove a single from my table, at least put its information in the other crappy one. No sense in removing important information.

	Also, tables are excluded from the page size, according to the Size guidelines page. ] 16:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

	*You're right about that. I apologize for only doing the four. When I get the patience I'll do them all. Thanks ] 16:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

	==Courtney Love photo==
	If you wish to list the uploaded photo of Courtney Love, Image:CourtneyLoveWithFrancesBean.jpg at WP:IFD, please do so. I understand your rationale and agree with you wholeheartedly. Sorry for the inconvienance.

	==Image==
	Just to let you know, Ive reuploaded ] without the text, and Ive removed the imd tag. ] ] 16:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

	==Not watching==

	EM, I'm not watching you, but I have been replying to Freddy's page and I saw your comment. What exactly are the grounds for your RFC? If you're talking about the edits on Shake It Off and We Belong Together I've already conceded them to you, and have agreed in the toning down of the sections like the live performance section, and I haven't reverted them back. If you're talking about the single articles, I believe the charts should be seperated, but I'm not following anyone around. The articles have been on my watchlist for months, and you can look at the history if you dont believe me. Ive been editing them for a long time, and Im not following anyone around. ] 17:51, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

	You're not making much sense here. An RFC is about a conflict which hasnt been resolved. Considering that the Shake It Off edits have been resolved, what is the basis for Misplaced Pages:Ownership of articles, Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view and Misplaced Pages:Don't disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point Misplaced Pages:No original research, Misplaced Pages:Avoid weasel terms, Misplaced Pages:Cite sources and Misplaced Pages:Fancruft. Those were the problems at Shake It Off. They have been resolved. If I continued to edit those articles in that fashion violating those policies, yes, then there would be valid grounds for an RFC. But I havent and the issue was resolved. That is the point of an RFC - to resolve an issue. How can you resolve an issue that has been resolved?

	And if those articles are on my watchlist, how am I still harrassing you? And we've explained to you on ] also why they should be seperated. We also dont think its POV. That is a debatable matter, but at the moment its not clearly in either fashion. ] 18:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

	EM, if you made specific examples, I'll be glad to comment on them, but don't just say I'm a brick wall. If you dont' want to respond, that's your preorogative. But if you're talking about the edits on the charts, several people are weighing in on both sides - Some like you, Mel, and Hoary want to unify them. Some like me, Boa, USWF, Winnermario, Triggy, etc want to keep them seperated. I definitely dont own the articles nor have I claimed to. But the amount of people who are weighing in who disagree with the chart changes is not just singular. ] 19:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Tcatron 565 ==
	<b>DON'T CORRECT EVERY THING I DO WRONG!!!!!! IT GETS ON MY NERVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</b> Fine I'll put everything from the CD page to the other page. And what is different from the two different album things? Misplaced Pages is supposed to be fun! But it's not! It has so many rules!!! 9876 to be exact!I never want to talk to u again. Just mail me a letter if I ask you a question! OKAY! BY ! ]

	== re: OmegaWikipedia and Mariah Carey ==

	I've actually had an RfC for him sitting on my desktop for at least a month. I did not file it because I had ''hoped'' I could resolve it in another way before then. I don't want to file it now, because if ''I'' do it, he'll for sure think I have some sort of personal vendetta against him. I'll just provide you with some more information to aid the RfC, and I will be the first to co-sign (] will be second, and ] will be third). --] 22:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

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	== Muhahaha ==

	hello EM. you will be pleased to see my contributions to ] and ].nothing like winding up a load of carey fans with a load of (hip hop) truth. IT'S LIKE THAT Y'ALL! ]<sup>]</sup> 02:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


	=="Single" vs. "Song"==
	Actually, ] (which is more or less based off of ]) is a general set of guidelines, not a hard set of rules. As suggested "this is only a guide and you should feel free to personalize an article as you see fit, though others may change it to fit our standards." Users basically have a lot of flexibility to work within and around the rules if they improve the overall quality of the articles.

	The example album infobox on the Wikiproject Albums page doesn't include album ordinals, but many album articles such as '']'' or '']'' include them.

	Likewise, note that the Wikiproject Songs indicates that "This project is not yet fully defined. Feel free to add stuff to make things ''clearer''." In terms of the naming policy, many editors have given more specific names to song articles, to reflect the types of songs indicated by the infobox, such as "single", "album track", "b-side", etc. For example:

	*] - "]"
	*] - "]"
	*] - "]"
	*] - "]"
	*] - "]"
	*] - "]"

	It's a subtle difference between say "]" and "]", but I believe the article title itself should be as clear and specific as possible. We're trying to make Misplaced Pages as accurate as possible, non? :-)
	--] 17:35, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

	:Note that the ] indicate that "When a track is not strictly a song (in other words a composition without lyrics, or an instrumental that is not a cover of a song), disambiguation should be done using (composition) or (instrumental)." Likewise, we're dealing with (specifically) a single here, so the further disambiguation of (single) is fine; it's a fairly open-ended description. Note that it also states that "When necessary, disambiguation ''should'' be done using (band), (album), or (song)." It's "should", not "must", so editors can use their own discretion to make the titles more specific, if necessary. Remember, "It is important to note that these are conventions, not rules written in stone". I'm an administrator, an I personally give leeway to editors in these situations if they're generally following the ''guidelines'' set out in Misplaced Pages's various policies.
	:--] 18:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

	==Template issue==

	I'm having a problem with your music single information box. Since it is a template, I am unable to remove any unnecessary information. "Recorded" comes up numerous times in this issue. Since albums can be recorded in several places around the world, it is difficult to determine where a specific track was recorded. I was just wondering if you could remove it from the template? --] 21:09, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

	:Yes, thank you. ] 19:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Brain Teasers: ==

	Hi, just sending out a friendly notice stating that I have now got brain teasers on my user page. Will post new questions one day after the older ones have been answered. Thanks, ] 05:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Thanks for your support on my RfA! ==

	] Thanks for your support of my ]!! I was surprised at the turnout and support I got! If you ever have any issues with any of my actions, please notify me on my ]! Thanks again! BTW did you ever manage to get any more helpful comments on your album article for its FAC? <small>] <sup><font color="#6BA800">]</font> \| <font color="#0033FF">]</font> \| <font color="#FF0000">]</font></sup></small> 04:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

	== RE: Image:Mjstudio.jpg ==

	The image I uploaded several days ago, Image:Mjstudio.jpg, I found on Michael Jackson's official website, www.mjjsource.com. If you go to this website and in the breaking news section click on, MICHAEL JACKSON'S VISIT TO LONDON - Photos
	Monday, October 10th, 2005, you will see this photo along with other photos of Michael Jackson in the studio and out and about in London. Down the bottom of this page, MJJ Source has stated: "This material is rights free and unrestricted use until December 10, 2005. Photo Credits: 2Seas Records, Inc., Copyright, 2005". So this must mean the photo is free to use until this date, right? ] 10:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Rainbow ==

	If you want to complain about using American and Japanese as disambiguations for albums, I suggest you clarify ]. It gives an example of country based disambiguation of bands in the same section it discusses album titles, but doesn't say not to do that for albums. Even if non-standard, "American" and "Japanese" certainly were sufficiently descriptive to distinguish the two in this case. Incidentally, I was the one who moved American album -> Mariah Carey album when someone else asked.

	As for turning Rainbow (album) into a disambig, I'll admit, I probably should have cleaned that up, but I didn't have the patience for it. ] 14:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

	== RfC: Pop music issues ==

	See ]. --] 05:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Barnstar! ==

	]'', I, ], hereby award you with this '''Editor's Barnstar''' for dedicated efforts in cleanup, reduction, and copyediting.]]


	This is ''very'' well deserved. Congratulations. --] 19:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

	== re: Thanks. ==

	That's ''exactly'' my point; I feel the same as the editor who gave that quote. I don't own any Mariah Carey albums, but I respect her talents and I do enjoy at least a dozen of her songs. All I want is encyclopedic coverage here (which includes, but is not limited to, factuallness, brevity, and knowing where the line between general trivia and Careycruft is drawn). On a related not, I've been looking at a few of the ] articles, and they don't seem to read as well as they did to me when I first read them a year or so ago. One of these days, I'm going to have to take a longer look through them. --] 16:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

	=="Cool" information==

	THANK YOU?! O_O

	I honestly don't know what to say. I thought you loathed me. Why are you helping the article with its FA? --] 00:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

	:Well thank you. And I'm sorry about our recent disputes. But it looks like I'm going to have to renominate it, since it's going to end up failing in the end. But thanks! Maybe you'll support it. Meh. Thanks. --] 00:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

	::If we ''can'' remedy them (you appear to be helping), I am in your debt. Thank you. --] 00:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

	:::Can you reference Gwen Stefani's quote paragraph of "Cool"? I did the exact same thing you did with the other quotes, but not surprisingly, it's failing for me. Thanks. --] 01:25, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

	::::I am reverting the charts. I don't care if people are complaining about them, unified charts are POV, and I'm restoring the images, as two of them play an important role in telling the story. (The fourth one does not so much.) --] 01:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

	:::There. I like it. Please leave those two images. And you know that I will continue to revert those charts. --] 01:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

	::Do you care to answer my questions on the "Cool" talk page? --] 21:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

	Nice work on that "chart trajectory" image. I have a strong preferance for it over the endless HTML tables that have started showing up everywhere. ] 16:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

	::Please do not consult the objections made by ] at the "Cool" nomination, as his requests are a bit more than "perplexing". He also doesn't appear to realize that "...by Gwen Stefani" means that she sings the song over the fact that she co-penned the lyrics.

	::So please do not worry about his objections. In addition, with twelve supports and two objections (] will ''never'' agree with something that I edited), I'm sure the article is not facing much competition. --] 00:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

	:::I'm afraid I didn't follow the latter part of your message. --] 00:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

	::::It's not like I'm editing "Cool" to be famous for helping it achieve FA status. But thanks anyways. --] 00:30, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

	:::Yes, I am editing "Cool" because I think it's a noteworthy song. If it were for other reasons, the presumed "I want to be known for editing a FA article", that would be the most conceited thing somebody would have ever done. --] 00:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

	::::Question. When the chart positions are updated, is it possible for you to remove "0" from the trajectory and replace it with a "1", as it is impossible to reach "number zero" on the charts? --] 00:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

	:::::My thanks! :) --] 00:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

	== "Minor" edits ==

	Yeah, if you just search yourself at the RIAA.com database, you'll see for yourself that the certifications for ]'s albums that currently are in the article are simply megafan crap; ''Metamorphosis'' is only 3x platinum, not 4x platinum, ''Hilary Duff'' is only platinum, not 2x platinum, and those sales for ''Most Wanted'' were simply made up. Though I donnot have an official source for the sales I posted, if you go to the UKMIX forums, they give weekly album sale breakdowns. ] 22:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Bounty Board ==

	Greetings. You've recently been involved with working on get articles up to featured status, so I wanted to let you know about a new page, ]. People have put up monetary bounties for certain articles reaching featured status - if the article makes it, the bounty lister donates the stated amount of money to the Wikimedia Foundation. So you can work on making articles featured, and donate other people's money at the same time. If this sounds interesting, I hope you stop by. – ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 22:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

	== "Cool" FA status ==

	] is a featured article. Your contribution to the article is greatly appreciated. Thank you. --] 23:42, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

	:The chart trajectory extends into week seventeen for "Cool": number fifty in the '''U.S.''' and number six in '''Canada'''. And remember to remove that zero. Thanks! :) --] 20:06, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

	::Thank you very much. So would it be okay to extend this trajectory for three more weeks to reach week twenty? --] 16:39, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

	:::Again, thank you very much. I'll see what I can do. :) --] 16:44, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Would you care to elaborate on ] why you ? It might help other editors to improve the article. Just slapping the template on is generally considered poor style. Thank you. ] 09:40, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Tcatron565 ==

	I see that you have warned ] for repeated copyright violations. As this user has been violating copyright for many many weeks now and has been continually warned, I have requested comment on that user at ]. See ] for the full list. You may wish to contribute some thoughts there. --] 14:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Peer review? ==

	I've noticed that your contributions have helped turn several music-related articles into Featured Articles. Would you care to add to a ] on ]? The band might not be quite to your taste, but I'd like to get your feedback on the article. Thanks! --] ] 18:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

	== Issues with ] once again ==

	It appears at ], Mel Etitis went ahead and removed the entire critical response section and the notes sourcing the information. Since you and him appear to be good friends, I would much appreciate it if you explained to him that these sections are certainly relevant to a song article, especially when one wants it to achieve FA status; he (so far) fails to process this. Thanks much. --] 00:48, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

	:The so-called "critical response" section seemed (and still seems) to me to consist largely of long-winded and very badly-written introductions to people who say little more than "this sounds like the people who produced it", "it's good", or "its bad". There was nothing that needed saying that couldn't have been said in the article, with one or two of the references in the External links section. (I was astonished, incidentally, at just how many spelling and grammatical mistakes, not to mention fan-speak, had been crammed in to a fairly small set of additions.) I've left the section in, but corrected the errors; I still think it doesn't belong in an encyclopædia article, though.
	:In fact that might be at the heart of the problem. I have, and never have had, any interest in Featured articles; my interest is in improving Misplaced Pages. The small bunch of editors whose joy is to revert all my changes have a peculiar attitude to FA, as though it's the point of the whole enterprise. This means that, at the same time as in many articles they're splitting tables that I've unified and reverting my attempts to remove unnecessary columns (while ignoring attempts to discuss the issue at, for example, ]*), they're happy to have tables unified in ], the article that they're pushing for FA status, and are cutting even more columns than I've been doing.
	:(<nowiki>*</nowiki> Actually Winnermario has left a foot-stamping, confrontational message at ], but I can't make complete sense of it, and it didn't exactly help with an attempt to find consensus. It boiled down to: "I'll never change my mind; if I don't get my way I'll leave Misplaced Pages, and I think that Mel Etitis and Hoary just want to get their own way and shouldn't be allowed to edit.") --] (] 09:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

	::Happy Saturday, Extraordinary Machine. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. The Canadian "Cool" position drops to #16, while the U.S. position is now #57. Have a great day. --] 14:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

	:::I'm not sure if this is the best way for us to be acquainted, but whatever the situation, there are several issues that must be addressed. First and foremost, ] has delcared her departure from Misplaced Pages, which she blames on the number of users who exhibit rotten and crude behaviour. Please note that it was her who wrote that, not me. In wake of this sudden turn of events, she requested me to ask you of one last favour in addition to her post from earlier today, concerning the "Cool" chart trajectory. She would much appreciate it if you constructed a chart trajectory for ], which was her current project. I sereve as her—you could say—successor, as I am fulfilling the role of upgrading the state of song articles here on Misplaced Pages (with the participation in some film projects).

	::Canadian Singles Chart trajectory: 12 - 12 - 12 - 5 - 5 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 5 - 5 - 7 - 12 - 9 - 12 - 12 - 16 - 25 - 20 - 22 - 29 - 26 - 34

	::U.S. Singles Chart trajectory: 82 - 57 - 37 - 10 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 6 - 6 - 9 - 11 - 18 - 22 - 22

	:::I apologize for the current circumstances. If this discussion (and its cofounding users) are truly as terrible as she has stated, then I have no reason to reject the situation. I'll be participating in the ongoing debate until a conclusion is met with, and will offer as much money ("two-cents", if you will) as I possibly can. So, again, I'm sorry for how everything is running at this time, but I hope that we get the opportunity to converse again in the future. Mariah says "thanks for being there".

	::--] 23:10, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

	:Thank you for the welcoming package (where there to be red ribbons included? :P), and don't worry. You don't have to format the chart trajectory for Hollaback Girl anytime soon, but her final request was for you to construct it whenever time was available to you, okay? So thank you muchly, and I wish to see you soon. --] 23:26, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

	==Discussion==

	Oh, I'm not refusing to comment. But I will look at it ASAP. ] 20:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

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Hi Extraordinary Machine

It's great that you are expanding articles and adding references ... but please please can you fill the references using {{cite web}}? The WP:Bare URLs which you add (e.g , ) are obscure to readers and prone to WP:Linkrot.

You shouldn't be leaving problems like this for other editors to clean up after you. For help on how to fill a citation, see WP:HOWTOCITE, and {{cite web}}. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @BrownHairedGirl - noted moving forward.

If I may, I would suggest that you refrain from using a statement such as "You shouldn't be leaving problems like this for other editors to clean up after you"; this reads as slightly antagonistic, particularly to an editor you haven't spoken with previously. Introducing "problems" was not my intention (please assume good faith)—I started contributing to Misplaced Pages in 2005 and was simply unaware of the current WP:BAREURLS page (thanks for directing me to that, by the way!). Similarly, no need to write "please please"; just one "please" will suffice! :D Extraordinary Machine (talk) 13:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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