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== How to handle ]? ==
== Public Domain picture ==

{{Unresolved}}
Would the picture on Matthew Martin at http://www.richmondfed.org/press_room/press_releases/about_us/2009/mmartin_20090205.cfm be considered fair use?] (]) 00:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mattew Martin is still alive, so using a Fair Use image of him is a bad idea. (also, I don't see an image there) ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 00:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::How about a public domain picture? The picture is at the bottom of the page where it says ''Photo of Matthew Martin (Print Quality)''. The direct link is http://www.richmondfed.org/about_us/who_we_are/management_team/images/matt_martin.jpg ] (]) 20:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::There doesn't seem to be anything on that page to suggest that picture is in the public domain. At best there's an implied license for press use. ] 21:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::So would that be considered fair use? Also what about the pictures here at http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/bios/banks/pres01.htm . Is that also not usable?] (]) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::As EVula stated, no picture can be considered fair use for Misplaced Pages's purposes if a free alternative could be made. This includes almost all pictures of living persons. Only public domain or freely licensed images are allowable. The pages you've linked to contain nothing to suggest that the images are PD or freely licensed. ] 23:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Aren't they works of government agencies(Are the ''federal'' reserve banks not considered government agencies...if not, then that's a whole other discussion)? Or does that not apply to pictures?] (]) 03:03, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::The on the website claims that the bank is capable of holding copyrights. ] 10:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:Thankyou for pointing that out...now they also have a link to this site http://license.icopyright.net/creator/tag.act?tag=federalreservebankofrichmond ...so how does that fit in? Does this mean the photo for the baltimore office at http://www.richmondfed.org/about_us/visit_us/locations/baltimore/ can't be used?] (]) 13:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. ] 11:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes to which one? Can I please get an explanation?] (]) 21:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes to the yes/no question that you asked. ] 21:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::All I'm asking for is a thorough answer. I would appreciate if it if you could provide me with an explanation(I don't follow your last response). Thank you in advance.] (]) 22:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
(undent) Basically, ''fair use isn't good enough for living people''. Specifically, a fair use picture of a living person '''fails''' criterion 1 of ]. So if you're looking at a picture of a living person, one you found on the web, it's up to you to demonstrate that the picture is in the public domain or has been released with a free content license. And the lack of an explicit copyright claim is '''not''' such a demonstration. -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 00:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Well perhaps this picture is in the public domain...that's what I'm trying to get at. Is this picture in the public domain? The site is by the federal reserve(which I believe is a government agency) and their copyright license is here http://license.icopyright.net/creator/tag.act?tag=federalreservebankofrichmond (which seems to be a creative commons license). So my question really is...is the picture in public domain?(And if so, why not).] (]) 20:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

It's been a few days...and still no answer. I also would like to ask if the is also under CC rather than as a work of a government agency.] (]) 01:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
...Anyone want to give an answer?] (]) 01:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

:The Federal Reserve is '''not''' a government agency, it's precise legal status is interesting, but it is not an agency of the federal government, but rather "quasi-public", meaning that it can hold copyrights and its images, works, etc. are '''not''' in the public domain. The license you cite reads "A license to reproduce and/or distribute the work unchanged, for '''non-commercial''' purposes." (emphasis added). Under the current policy, we're sadly not allowed to use such images. ] (]) 01:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::I thought that wikipedia was a non-profit organization? Why wouldn't they allow '''non-commercial purpose''' images? (Can I please get a policy link)...And if it that is the case...then this I can mark this is as resolved.(I will be a bit disappointed nonetheless). <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::The policy you want is ]. ] 12:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Well...thats very disappointing. I'm going to assume that these images wouldn't qualify under fair use?--] (]) 20:57, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Anyone? Would it qualify under fair use?] (]) 19:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::: It would not. Unless the images illustrate some peculiar, important, encyclopedic feature that it would be completely impossible to get a free image of (Not because there is no such image, but because it's physically impossible to take one. Perhaps because the building burned down.), Or unless the article is about the image itself, then I don't think you're going to be able to fit these into Misplaced Pages's policies on non-free images. ] (]) 14:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ethnio ==

http://meta.wikimedia.org/search/?title=Special:CentralNotice&method=listNoticeDetail&notice=ethnio_recruitment

Could someone explain what this is all about ?
Thank you.--&nbsp;]<sup>]]</sup> 19:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:Seems like some sort of randomly triggered (20% of the time) notice, something about "Live near SF and have an hour to help Misplaced Pages?". I wonder if this is still in test mode? And I wonder what, if anything, it has to do with ? -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 00:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

::No, it is not in testmode. It popped up on my wikipedia pages, which is why i searched for ethnio on wikipedia. which lead me to the linked page. but i don't quite know what (if any) this has to do with wikipedia, and why it pops up on these pages. and who authorised it, as there seems to be NO discussion nowhere. at least i was unable to find any.--&nbsp;]<sup>]]</sup> 03:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, since it's at meta, perhaps you might post your question at ]. -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 19:49, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

::::I learned it is part of the ] More . Just in case i'm not the only one interested.--&nbsp;]<sup>]]</sup> 11:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

:::::Thank you for that link. The operative words include ''The target audience of testers are Misplaced Pages readers who have little or no experience in editing the Misplaced Pages articles. The banner is displayed within the range of 1:400 to 1:100 page views ...'' So I'm guessing that most readers of this page would not have seen it. -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 21:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Main Page ==

The "In the News" section on the Main Page hasn't been updated in more than a day (WP Time) and there is current;y a message on the Main page talk page. Since there's been at least one fairly high profile event yesterday (The Tsvangari Crash incident) is it possible that someone could update? ] | ] 04:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:A better place for discussion is ] and its offspring. There is a semi-formal process for adding items to the list - this isn't something that casual editors should do. -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 21:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

::I was aware of the process for the change of ITN candidates, I was merely hoping to prompt an appropriate admin to update once per 24 hours as per the guidelines on the ]. UNfortunately the same has occurred again with almost a 40 hour delay since the last update. ] | ] 08:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== the same in french ==

Does it exist a French Misplaced Pages Village pump? --] (]) 21:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

:If you're asking if the French Misplaced Pages has a similar page to this one, the answer is "sort of". If you look at ], you'll see a box of "languages" links on the left side; it includes a link to the French equivalent to ''that'' page.

:Such a link isn't here on this page (WP:VPM), I'm guessing, because the French Misplaced Pages doesn't split up their village pump as much as we do. But I've not looked. -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 21:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

There is an article at ] which has been prodded as being made up. When I did a Google search for the word, there are very few sources, but the word turns up in ], http://wapedia.mobi/en/X_Games (which is a mirror of Misplaced Pages), http://top40-charts.com/pedia.php?title=X_Games_12 (which is also a mirror), and http://it.wikipedia.org/X_Games, which is the Italian Misplaced Pages. Are we being hoaxed? ] (]) 22:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

:And the reason you are posting here rather than, say, at ] and ] is ... ? (And you can also post {{tl|hoax}}; not sure if anyone is monitoring the category, though.) -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 00:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::I posted on the Village Pump because the Village Pump is the place to have discussions in such matters. It wouldn't have done any good to post on the article's Talk page because nobody would have seen it, and I don't believe in putting a hoax tag on an article that I'm trying to get more information about. I definitely didn't expect to get attacked for trying to get information. ] (]) 20:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No one has attacked you. Someone has asked you a question. As you're discovering, the village pump is not in general a good place for discussing problems with specific articles. ] 13:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
<s>::::I wasn't asking for a discussion about problems. I was asking if anybody had ever heard of the term before. How cooperative. What's the point of the village pump if valid topics are looked down upon? ] (]) 19:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)</s>

You know what, never mind. Nobody wants to be cooperative, why should I care? ] (]) 19:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Pseudonymous editing and ethics ==

I've posted this on ' - it's related to some 'big picture' stuff about wikipedia, pseudonymous editing etc. etc. - thoughts most welcome anywhere :-) - it was prompted by a post by ex wiki stalwart Doc Glasgow, who said - "Hiding behind a pseudonym, whilst commenting on real identifiable people, is cowardly and deplorable." - a view echoed on - "When people hide behind anonymous identifiers or phony pseudonyms, trust breaks down." (those interested in these issue should definitely read akahele - it's very good.

I just wanted to mention (as an pseudonymous person!) that I kinda hope that pseudonymous writing and good ethics / value / humour / quality aren't fundamentally in tension, rather that they will just tend to lead to the whole slew of problems well documented already.

In particular, I thought I'd mention the example of 'Private Eye' - a british institution and fantastic magazine which doesn't generally do 'bylines' (with notable exceptions) - contributors make up silly names and write their stuff... sound familiar?

The fundamental difference of course is that Private Eye is 'published' - and as such is regularly in and out of the courts, with varying degrees of success. The important point is that they manage very successfully to continue to publish, and even though they fairly regularly make mistakes / cross lines and have to pay damages, they're more often 'right' in some sense or other.....

So if one allows that pseudonymous contribution can be valuable - where does 'responsibility' come in? - On the part of the publisher, I guess - and it's the absence of such which I reckon is of higher importance than the identity of author thing.

The more you think about it, the odder it seems that publication wouldn't be a stated goal of a foundation seeking to share the sum of human knowledge. If the tool requires 'self-publication' (which is how I'd describe wikipedia?) - then that's where identification is required - fundamentally because the buck stopping somewhere is a good thing, and should be supported - I don't think many would disagree? ] (]) 23:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

:Yes, there are good points there. Accountability is and will always be an issue, and identification is certainly an easy solution to the problem.
:That being said, where exactly do we draw the line? I've long considered the option of revealing my identity and being open about who I am, but after seeing incidents like that leading to the retirement of ], I'm largely convinced that openness of real-world identity on Misplaced Pages isn't worth the potential harassment by with time on their hands. Yes, this is ironic given your quote of Doc Glasgow, but I would think that it would be obvious that while commenting negatively on "real identifiable people" anonymously may be deplorable, harassing other "real identifiable people" while not anonymous or pseudonymous is similarly deplorable.
:What I see as being the main issue in this is not so much whether (optional) pseudonymity is good or bad, but rather what, in practice would happen if we disallowed it. How well would that work? What side-effects would be applicable? What would happen if we suddenly required all editors to identify themselves? If so, how would we verify these identities? What if identification was optional but offered advantages? What if people with particular permissions or under particular circumstances were required to release an identity? These are the sorts of questions which we'd need to ask if we wanted to think about changing from our current system of pseudonymity (which is an obvious application of what you discuss). While the system is not by any means perfect, the status quo might be preferable to any change. <nowiki>{</nowiki>{]<nowiki>|</nowiki><span class="plainlinks">]<nowiki>|</nowiki></span>}<nowiki>}</nowiki> 05:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::Not to mention the fact we have editors under 13 -- useful ones (supposedly at least one admin who was 12), and which gets into some issues with U.S. law and such. ] (]) 11:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== recent change frequency ==

How many rc take place every minute ? ava. value .] (])

:I just looked at the most recent 500 edits, which occurred in a four-minute period. That's a rate of about 125 edits per minute.

:And, in fact, as you can see ], there are about 10 million edits every 50 days, or about a million edits every five days, or about 200,000 edits per day. Which, divided by 1,440 (the number of minutes per day), is ''138 edits per minute''. -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 13:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:There is, of course, variation in the edit rate according to the time of day, day of the week, and whether there are breaks going on in universities (as a large proportion of our editors are university students). It would be fun to see an extensive study of these statistics. ] 13:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:No,tool to montier those ?.] (])

::And whether Misplaced Pages is working or not. For 40 minutes there were zilch rc/min. - ] <sup>(], ])</sup> 20:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

:::See: ].&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 21:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

: also gives information on current editing rates and trends. ] (]) 21:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

::<geek>Is it safe to assume that edits arrive in a ]? :)</geek> --] (]) 00:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Books and editing ==

OK, this is relatively new, but I guess we need to start thinking about it. for the sole reason of improving the book of a user, instead of improving the article. Do we want to allow such things ? --] (] • ]) 21:25, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see a problem - it's benefiting anyone in the future who wants to make a book from that article, not just that one user. ] ] 21:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:Although I think it's probably debatable whether hiding the see also section does actually help individuals planning to print the article. ] ] 23:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::You wouldn't be able to follow the links in the printed article, so if the see also section was present, it would only be useful if the person reading the book was also sitting next to a computer and was able to search for the related terms. ] ] 23:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== WIKIPEDIA- Home of the Free and ] ==

Misplaced Pages promotes itself as "the 💕." This is not completely true. Yes, it may not costs anything of monetary value to read the articles. However, it costs a great deal to the people whom are reading it assuming they are recieving the truth. The costs of midinformed people is something we need to consider. If ] chooses to continue with their with holding of truth and political spinning, then they should change their slogan. Instead of "The 💕" they should refer to themselves as "The not Completely Free but Completely ] Encyclopedia." <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:]. ] (]) 11:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

That and wikipedia is ] not as in beer. --] (]) 11:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:Grind your ] much, IP? Or are you angry over an article about a ? ] 22:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

::Anyone up for creating a template message we can use every time this nonsense repeats itself, or maybe we just ignore it? Oh, and by the way, IP poster, "bias" (note lower case, not '''B'''erkley '''I'''ntegrated '''A'''udio '''S'''oftware) is a noun, the word you were looking for is "biased".&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 15:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

:::If he only knew that of greater concern is our ] away from subjects of great concern to people who lack Internet access. ] (]) 17:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

:Why is it that these axe grinders can never understand the difference between "bias" and "biased"? ] (]) 19:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== help please ==

hi, whenever i look for something with google i always get lot of sites to get info. And always one of those would be something-Misplaced Pages,the 💕 but recently when i click on it the message drops down with save or find and i get no-where. Would you help me please to fix it so it will be as it was before <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Unless other editors can report the same problem (I just tried a google search, Firefox 3, Mac OS X; worked as expected), you're probably not going to get much help at this page (which is for assistance with ''editing''). For problems with ''reading'' Misplaced Pages (or with Google or your computer), you can try ]. -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 19:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== 'toon lists ==

Quick question. I've been watching a steady increase in the size of a number of lists in one article, ], of what appears to be the name of every single program that has played (or potentially will play) on this television channel, almost all added by a single editor. My question : is this considered acceptable practise in Wiki; that long lists of TV shows are displayed as they are here? Even when many of them already have their own article? The lists now appear to form the bulk of the material in the article. It doesn't seem useful to me. What's your opinion? ] (]) 04:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== Unavailable on the mainland ==

The secure server has been unavailable in mainland China for several weeks now, as are all the English pages on the non-secure server that relate to this problem. Someone who can access them should check whether those pages have been updated. English non-secure pages on other topics are unaffected. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Need advice on article content ==

At the ] article there has been discussion and back-and-forth about what to list as the "Best Selling Game" in the info box. I was sure Misplaced Pages had some policy or guideline at least that frowned on the inclusion of information that changes too fast to be of use. I need to know the best way to approach this. ] (]) 12:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

: there is a problem with putting a "best selling game" (it best to see ] as it explains the problems putting one in) <span style="border:1px solid #000000;background:# 787878">]]</span> 13:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


Hey all, hope everyone here is doing well. Today I woke up to discover that a podcaster I follow had plagiarised part of an article I wrote, as well as parts of some other articles (some of which I had contributed to, others not). The podcaster did not cite their sources, nor did they make it clear that they were pulling whole paragraphs from Misplaced Pages, but they ran advertisements and plugged their patreon anyway. This is not the first time an article I wrote for Misplaced Pages has been plagiarised and profited off (earlier this year I noticed a youtuber had plagiarised an entire article I had written; I've also noticed journalists ripping off bits and pieces of other articles). Nor is this limited to articles, as I often see original maps people make for Wikimedia Commons reused without credit.
::Is that link relevant? That Zelda link is about Metacritic and heaping praise on an article, not "best selling" which should be very objective by comparison. Anyway, I don't see any reason to avoid use of fast-moving data in an infobox. Just match it to a date there in the infobox (already done) and you're clear. The article is heavily monitored and no doubt will be updated quickly when new data comes out. In-The-News articles have brand-new data slugged into them all the time as fast as it spews out of the media. ] (]) 17:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


Obviously I'm not against people reusing and adapting the work we do here, as it's freely licensed under creative commons. But it bugs me that no ] is provided, especially when it is ]; attribution is literally ''the least'' that is required. I would like attribution of Misplaced Pages to become more common and normalised, but I don't know how to push for people off-wiki to be more considerate of this. In my own case, the 'content creators' in question don't provide contact details, so I have no way of privately getting in touch with them. Cases in which I have been able to contact an organisation about their unattributed use of Misplaced Pages/Wikimedia content often get ignored, and the unattributed use continues. But I also have no interest in publicly naming and shaming these people, as I don't think it's constructive.
== "As of 2008" ==


Does anyone here have advice for how to handle plagiarism from Misplaced Pages? Is there something we can do to push for more attribution? --] (]) 13:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
{{Resolved|1=] (]) 20:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)}}
What happened to ], ], etc? ] (]) 17:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


:Sadly there are plenty of lazy sods who think that copying directly from Misplaced Pages is "research". This has happened with some of the articles that I have been involved with. It's rude, but hard to stop.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 14:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:See ].&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 17:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::I would start by writing to the podcaster and politely explaining to them that they are welcome to use the material but are required to provide attribution. They may simply be unaware of this and might be willing to comply if properly educated. Failing that, I assume the podcast was being streamed from some content delivery service like YouTube. You might have better luck writing to the service provider demanding that the offending material be taken down.
:Also, ]] (]) 17:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::Realistically, crap like this happens all the time, and there's probably not a whole bunch we can do to prevent it. ] ] 14:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::To support RoySmith's point, for those who may not have seen it, here is a very long youtube video about youtube and plagiarism . (Works just having it on as background audio.) ] (]) 14:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Funnily enough, plagiarism from Misplaced Pages comes up a couple times in that video. ] also made a , which I think was a useful addition in the conversation of crediting Wikipedians. --] (]) 15:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, I'll give that a listen. ] (]) 15:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Aye, I figured it be an uphill battle trying to accomplish even minor changes on this front. As I can't find a way to contact the creator directly, sending an email to the hosting company may be the best I can do, but even then I doubt it'll lead to anything. Thanks for the advice, anyhow. --] (]) 15:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::::If it's a copyright violation (e.g., exact wording), rather than plagiarism (stealing the ideas but using their own words), then you could look into a ] notice. ] (]) 03:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@]: It was more-or-less word for word, with a couple tweaks here and there. I don't want the episode pulled, I really just want Misplaced Pages cited, but I can't figure out any way to get in direct contact with any of the people involved. --] (]) 10:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::It's possible that the way to get in touch with them is a DMCA takedown notice. Having your platform take down the whole episode tends to attract attention. You could make it easy on them by suggesting a way to fix the problem (maybe they could add something like "This episode quotes Misplaced Pages in several places" to the end of the notes on the podcast?). ] (]) 18:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I'm curious as to what the plagiarized article in question is. Often there is no majority authorship of an article (in terms of bytes added), which might complicate DMCA claims. ''']]''' 18:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Anyone who contributed enough content to be copyrighted can issue a DMCA notice. The glaring problem with this approach is that the DMCA only applies if the copy is published in the United States. ] (]) 18:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::What about servers or companies based in the States (perhaps I've misremembered what little I know of copyright law)? ''']]''' 18:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::@]: It's an article I wrote 99.9% of, minus minor copyedits by other users. I'm cautious about revealing which one as I think it would make it easy to figure out the podcast in question, and I'd still prefer to handle this privately rather than go full hbomberguy. Also, having now gone through more of the episode, it's not just that one article that got text lifted from it; text was also copied in whole or in part, without attribution, from other Misplaced Pages articles I have contributed to (but didn't author) and an article on another website that publishes under a CC BY-NC-ND license. I don't know how I would handle notifying the other parties that got plagiarised either. I haven't combed through the entire episode yet, but already a sizeable portion consists of unattributed text, either identical to the source or with minor alterations. --] (]) 19:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::One man deserves the credit, one man deserves the blame... ] ''']]''' 00:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hmm... would ] be of help? ''']]''' 01:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, you're talking about a medium where many people's understanding of copyright law, even when they do demonstrate an awareness that it exists and is applicable, is largely demonstrated by videos posted on YouTube of clips from movies and TV shows with the note "Copyright infringement not intended". Which, I sometimes leave a comment pointing out to them, is akin to dashing out of a clothing store with an armful of unpaid-for merchandise while shouting "Shoplifting not intended". ] (]) 14:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


I've found Misplaced Pages plagiarized in scientific journal articles. I have no tolerance for that and I contact the publishers directly. But little to nothing comes of it. In the one instance, I waited almost a year but nothing really happened. Upon pushing the matter, the publishers allowed the authors to make some trivial changes but there was no retraction. (See my banner notes at the top of ] if you are interested in this example.) Fortunately, this kind of plagiarism may be common in less prestigious journals and by less prestigious authors from universities in countries that may not care about plagiarism of Western sources. ] (]) 08:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:(edit conflict) The deletion logs in your links point to ] which links to ] and ]. {{tl|As of}} replaces the system "As of year" links was a part of. ] (]) 17:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::@] Wrong section? You wanted to post below? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 17:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, it was. Sorry about that. I moved my comment (along with yours) to the proper spot. ] (]) 21:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@] PS. Make sure to use ] and comment on those articles! <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 17:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I'll check it out. ] (]) 21:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Looks like ] has a ... somewhat questionable reputation to put it politely. ] (]) 10:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:Some years ago, we found a source saying that the 20% of lowest-ranked journals had a higher risk of copyright violations. (They did tend to be journals from developing countries or otherwise with limited resources – think "Journal of the Tinyland Medical Society".) I have discouraged using journals from the lowest ranked quintile ever since. ] (]) 04:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::As an aside, I'm pretty sure I've been the "benefactor" of scholarly citogenesis several times—uncited additions from a decade ago that I'm scouring for cites and pondering whether to rewrite from scratch, when I find a passage that pretty much has the same structure and specifics (uncontroversial stuff, mind) and I smile. I do wonder if I should be so happy, but I figure they're qualified to conduct original research and this isn't likely to introduce poor quality infomation. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 04:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::When the plagiarism is substantial, please remember to tag the talk page with {{tl|backwardscopy}}. ] (]) 21:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:Copyright infringement of Misplaced Pages by other people is not immoral, so I don't believe it's in anyone's best interest to try to police it at all. We write this stuff with the hopes that it is accurate and that it will be shared. The podcaster in question shared it. Presumably, if you are proud of it, you also consider it accurate. Big Success. No Stress.
:Additionally, it does not do to mix complaints about plagiarism and copyright infringement together. Copyright is law, and plagiarism is not law. Just like us, the podcaster is fully within their rights as the users of text to copy it without attribution when their use ''isn't'' a copyright violation. If it was enough text for you to notice this, I'll trust you that it was a lot of text. But, just FYI, if someone copies a little from an article (or even a little from several articles), they would not ''need'' a license to do that and their lack of compliance with the unneeded license would not constitute copyright infringement. ] (]) 08:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== Indigenous territory ==
::Got it, thanks. ] (]) 17:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


Are there Indigenous territory in Ecuador, Suriname? What about Honduras, Guatemala, and Salvador? ] (]) 05:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== admins - automatic deletion summaries? ==


:I am not sure what specifically is being asked, but I'm fairly sure you didn't mean to ask it at the village pump? <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 05:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Deleting short pages used to automatically place the text "content was '<content of page>' " in the deletion summary field, but this no longer seems to be the case. Leaving the field blank or selecting nothing from the drop-down menu results in an empty summary. Is there a way to make this automatic summary appear, or has this feature been disabled? --] (]) 00:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::This might be a question for the ]. ] (]) 07:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:What does it say when you click this link ? If it has a default summary, the issue stems from javascript found at ] which looks for a template containing a delete-reason and adds this reason to the url in the "delete" tab at the top, e.g. . This will override any default "content was..." summary that was there before. If this is the source of the problem you can opt out of it with adblock plus, or add some kind of settings which to users to use their own js to disable it. — ] 01:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I suggested ] on their talkpage. ] (]) 07:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:The default summary was removed. It rarely provided a useful summary and caused problems when deleting attack pages and the like. <font face="Broadway">]]</font> 02:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:{{small|It's a good bet that all of the territory has been there longer than any colonizer. ] (]) 21:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)}}


== Query to find uncategorized Commons images used on a Misplaced Pages ==
::I clicked the first link and there is no default summary. --] (]) 02:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Still more useful than the damn code letters. Anyone want a retro-mode javascript? — ] 10:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


Hello, before I added a category, file was uncategorized on Commons, but was used on a page on the Greek language wikipedia. Maybe using Petscan?, is there a way of searching say all pages in the category Museums in Greece, and its subcategories, to list images used on those pages that are uncategorized in Commons? Thank you, ] (]) 08:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
== When should an image be copied to wikimedia commons? ==


When should an image be copied to wikimedia commons?] (]) 01:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC) :{{ping|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}} Something like this seems to already exist: ]. ] (]) 18:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Never mind...found the policy at ]] (]) 01:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::] has much greater detail. — ] 01:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


== Font query ==
== Announcing Free text time templates ==


My font on Misplaced Pages (page & edit window) has changed, don't know why, is this a site setting, a Chrome setting. I'm not sure where to search for the issue. Appreciate any input. Thanx, - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 16:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
The principle of wikitext was to make editing articles as easy as possible. Unfortunately, some templates are needlessly arcane and serve to reintroduce complexity that wikitext sought to remove. There is new family of date/time templates that use free text dates. The following table is a list of this family of free text date templates and may be compared with those that do not have the dash in the name:
{| class="wikitable"
!date
!colspan=2|templates
!wikitext
|- align=center
|width="250pt"|Birth
|width="140pt" | {{tlx|birth-date}}
|width="220pt" |{{tlx|birth-date and age}}
|width="250pt"|<nowiki>{{Birth-date | April 3, 1903 }}</nowiki>
|-align=center
|Death ||{{tlx|death-date}} ||{{tlx|death-date and age}} || <nowiki>{{Death-date | April 3, 1903 }}</nowiki>
|-align=center
|other Start and End dates and/or time <br><small>''Space mission launch'', ''decommissioning'' etc.</small> || {{tlx|start-date}} || {{tlx|end-date}} ||<nowiki>{{Start-date | June 10, 1966 7:26pm }}</nowiki>
|}


:I would try ] as tech minded editors would probably know. -- <small>LCU</small> ''']''' <small>''«]» °]°''</small> 18:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable"
:@] Mediawiki does not specify a specific font, it just tells your browser to use it's default sans-serif one. If your font has changed this will be due to your browser. ] (]) 23:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
|+'''Comparison of syntax between old and new'''
::Thank you. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 23:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
|-
!width="50pt"|
!width="350pt" |wikitext
!width="180pt"|article
|- align=center
|'''Old'''||<nowiki>{{Death date and age|2008|1|11|1934|5|2|df=y}}</nowiki> || ''{{Death date and age|2008|1|11|1934|5|2|df=y}}''
|- align=center
|'''New'''||<nowiki>{{Death-date and age | 11 January 2008 | 2 May 1934 }}</nowiki> || ''{{Death-date and age | 11 January 2008 | 2 May 1934 }}''
|}
Advantages of new version
*Less error prone, easier to spot typos and contradictions
*]- the date appears in the format the user wanted it, accepting a variety of formats: EG:
**1963-11-22
**22 November 1963 1pm CST
**Sunday, December 7, 1941
**Compare to Old templates: Only day first and month first format supported. Time formatting is more restrictive. One way given to express timezone information in "22 November 1963 1pm CST" was:
***Old Template: "{{Start date|1963|11|22|19|00||-07:00|df=y}}" is produced by: <nowiki>{{Start date|1963|11|22|19|00||-07:00|df=y}}</nowiki>
*Besides freedom from such highly constrained formatting for times using the old template (24 hour clock only, no am/pm, only located in the first position) with timezones the new template does not require users to calculate the timezone difference from Greenwich mean time, or Daylight savings time.
**In above example, the user is required by the old template to declare what the local time offset from ] is for the location, correctly allowing for the dates when daylight savings time is in effect. (-07:00 needed to be given in the above old template example).
*No restrictions on formatting, even allowing use of templates and links. For instance,
**'''Templates''' Birth date of ]: <nowiki>{{Birth-date| 7 November 1728 |{{OldStyleDate|7 November|1728|27 October}} }}</nowiki> produces: {{Birth-date| 7 November 1728 |{{OldStyleDate|7 November|1728|27 October}} }}
***Old templates: use with templates not supported
**'''Links''' Birth date of ], formerly edited to display ], ] is currently displayed the same way, using the familiar right left format of wikilinks:
**:: <nowiki>{{birth-date | November 19, 1909 | ], ] }}</nowiki>
***Old templates: Links not supported, only November 19, 1909 would be displayed.
*New template permits use with Julian dates
**Old templates: Julian not supported
*Correctly calculates ] death dates (they must be emitted as day +1 if day is specified, or Year +1 if only year is specified.)
** Old templates not only do not perform this calculation, they emit ''nothing'' for death dates.


== Moving another user's essay to project space ==
The older templates despite their arcane syntax don't support any of these additional functions. Of course, folks may choose to use the older templates if they wish. The new templates offer a second option for easier and less restrictive authoring of dates.


I'd had it in mind for quite some time to write an essay in project space about announcements. I've seen entire sections consisting of sentences with the word "announced" in them, giving the impression that the subject's history consists not of events and actions at all but only of announcements that such events or actions were planned, leaving the reader to wonder whether any of them ever actually happened. I wanted to exhort people who add to an article, in November 2024, "In November 2024 it was announced that X would be joining the series as a regular character in the new season" to return after the new season begins and ''replace'' the text about the announcement with "In April 2025, X joined the series as a regular character" or, if X didn't join the series after all, to remove the sentence as probably irrelevant, unless some mention is to be made of why X's addition to the series didn't come to pass.
Use of {{tlx|birth-date and age}} and {{tlx|death-date and age}} is currently recommended as best practice in the ], as the former templates are generally regarded as needlessly complex by the MOSNUM community. The new templates are currently in use in over 1000 articles.


So one day recently I sat down to begin such an essay, but first checked the status of the obvious shortcut, ]{{emdash}}and found that it already existed as a redirect to ] belonging to ]. That essay is quite thorough and covers most of the ground that I had had in mind, and I think it would be useful to have it in project space. So, while noting that that user hadn't edited in over two years but thinking the might see and respond to a ping if they even ''read'' Misplaced Pages while logged in, I went to their talk page to leave basically the same message that I've written here, to ask if they would be averse to having their essay moved to project space.
-] (]) 02:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


That was four weeks ago, and there've been no edits in that time by the user. I was wondering whether it would be reasonable, without express permission, either to move or copy the essay to project space and retarget ] there. Also, if that were to happen, I'm seeking a good title. Floating around in my head:
:So, what uses these microformats? Is anyone producing a tool to replace the functionality of "whatlinkshere" as more dates are de-linked (getting a list of articles associated with a certain day/month/year, in order to find content for such pages)… — ] 10:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
* ]
::From the context of your question Charlotte, I presume you meant who within the wiki community is using microformats to do stuff like what people used to use date linking for. I am unaware of anyone. The ] stuff uses microformats but they don't rely on it operationally. Para and the geotagging folks are simply scraping the wikitext with perl scripts to create their kml files. Their geohack php code translates the parameters passed from WP to the various web sites. Currently, they bypass the microformats mechanism that internet browsers are promising to incorporate into their browsers as native features. This native feature behavior may be previewed by installing the Operator toolbar if you use firefox. There is an extension for IE but last I checked it didn't work very well. Anyway, what these extensions do is parse the html scanning for inoperative class tags that it recognizes as microformats tags. For example, a start date like a birthday is encoded with a class of dtstart. So when it finds one of those it looks for an ] encoded string within the cell or span. This family of templates does that span creation and encoding properly. This microformats functionality and wikipedia emission behavior may be verified by following the operator installation instructions and notes I created at ]. Anyway, from what I assume people were doing with the whatlinkshere mechanism, this sort of scheme only had a granularity of articles. Microformats allow specification of events at a finer granularity, for example the dates of a marriage in a biography article, or a particular engagement within the context of a military conflict article. The killer app for microformats appears to be mapping and calendar/contacts applications. Mapping is of interest to WP users, but I don't see a lot of folks using calendars to store historical events they find on wikipedia. Are folks going to go to ] and store all the engagements in their calendar? Maybe a civil war buff would, if the calendars accepted those dates, most of which don't. However, due to the connectivity that microformats enable, it is not hard to believe that when folks use disambiguated UIDs (see queen events button in data formats mode) for a historical figure or a place that this uid will be a wikipedia article. They will use them without even being aware of them because the microformat code will just copy and propagate these uids as part of the normal activities of users on the web. Strategically, that is gold for the foundation, because whoever has the biggest repository of facts wins if and when this microformats trend snowballs. People start using common uids for information, and whoever has largest repository at the start wins. If our url is the UID, then anytime anyone wants to know about a fact, you are the destination. Hope this was responsive to the intent of your question. -] (]) 15:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
* ]
* ]
* ]
] (]) 17:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:What a good notion! That type of language in articles irks me too. Especially personal life sections that read "they announced they were engaged, they announced the wedding date, they got married, they announced they were expecting, they had a baby" and so on. (Sorry I don't have an answer to your questions, but I do like the idea.) ]&nbsp;] 23:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Articles about companies, particularly finance companies, drive me crazy in that way. You'd think from some of their articles that they're more noted for their announcements than for what they've actually done. "In October 2018, ABC announced that they were acquiring at 30% share in GHI. In February 2019, they announced the coming release of version 5 of their product." Did the GHI buy-in ever happen? Did they ever release version 5? Who knows??? The article doesn't say! ] (]) 00:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Even more annoying is when media happily passes on announcements, but fails to pay any attention when they actually happen, so we're left sourceless. ]&nbsp;] 00:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::To go off a bit on a tangent, this is like when the media report someone's arrest (which goes on to be covered here) and then never follow up (leaving Misplaced Pages readers in the lurch). ] (]) 00:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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How to handle plagiarism from Misplaced Pages?

Hey all, hope everyone here is doing well. Today I woke up to discover that a podcaster I follow had plagiarised part of an article I wrote, as well as parts of some other articles (some of which I had contributed to, others not). The podcaster did not cite their sources, nor did they make it clear that they were pulling whole paragraphs from Misplaced Pages, but they ran advertisements and plugged their patreon anyway. This is not the first time an article I wrote for Misplaced Pages has been plagiarised and profited off (earlier this year I noticed a youtuber had plagiarised an entire article I had written; I've also noticed journalists ripping off bits and pieces of other articles). Nor is this limited to articles, as I often see original maps people make for Wikimedia Commons reused without credit.

Obviously I'm not against people reusing and adapting the work we do here, as it's freely licensed under creative commons. But it bugs me that no attribution is provided, especially when it is required by the license; attribution is literally the least that is required. I would like attribution of Misplaced Pages to become more common and normalised, but I don't know how to push for people off-wiki to be more considerate of this. In my own case, the 'content creators' in question don't provide contact details, so I have no way of privately getting in touch with them. Cases in which I have been able to contact an organisation about their unattributed use of Misplaced Pages/Wikimedia content often get ignored, and the unattributed use continues. But I also have no interest in publicly naming and shaming these people, as I don't think it's constructive.

Does anyone here have advice for how to handle plagiarism from Misplaced Pages? Is there something we can do to push for more attribution? --Grnrchst (talk) 13:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Sadly there are plenty of lazy sods who think that copying directly from Misplaced Pages is "research". This has happened with some of the articles that I have been involved with. It's rude, but hard to stop.--♦IanMacM♦ 14:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I would start by writing to the podcaster and politely explaining to them that they are welcome to use the material but are required to provide attribution. They may simply be unaware of this and might be willing to comply if properly educated. Failing that, I assume the podcast was being streamed from some content delivery service like YouTube. You might have better luck writing to the service provider demanding that the offending material be taken down.
Realistically, crap like this happens all the time, and there's probably not a whole bunch we can do to prevent it. RoySmith (talk) 14:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
To support RoySmith's point, for those who may not have seen it, here is a very long youtube video about youtube and plagiarism . (Works just having it on as background audio.) CMD (talk) 14:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Funnily enough, plagiarism from Misplaced Pages comes up a couple times in that video. MJL also made a very good response video, which I think was a useful addition in the conversation of crediting Wikipedians. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll give that a listen. CMD (talk) 15:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Aye, I figured it be an uphill battle trying to accomplish even minor changes on this front. As I can't find a way to contact the creator directly, sending an email to the hosting company may be the best I can do, but even then I doubt it'll lead to anything. Thanks for the advice, anyhow. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
If it's a copyright violation (e.g., exact wording), rather than plagiarism (stealing the ideas but using their own words), then you could look into a DMCA takedown notice. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
@WhatamIdoing: It was more-or-less word for word, with a couple tweaks here and there. I don't want the episode pulled, I really just want Misplaced Pages cited, but I can't figure out any way to get in direct contact with any of the people involved. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
It's possible that the way to get in touch with them is a DMCA takedown notice. Having your platform take down the whole episode tends to attract attention. You could make it easy on them by suggesting a way to fix the problem (maybe they could add something like "This episode quotes Misplaced Pages in several places" to the end of the notes on the podcast?). WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm curious as to what the plagiarized article in question is. Often there is no majority authorship of an article (in terms of bytes added), which might complicate DMCA claims. JayCubby 18:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Anyone who contributed enough content to be copyrighted can issue a DMCA notice. The glaring problem with this approach is that the DMCA only applies if the copy is published in the United States. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
What about servers or companies based in the States (perhaps I've misremembered what little I know of copyright law)? JayCubby 18:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
@JayCubby: It's an article I wrote 99.9% of, minus minor copyedits by other users. I'm cautious about revealing which one as I think it would make it easy to figure out the podcast in question, and I'd still prefer to handle this privately rather than go full hbomberguy. Also, having now gone through more of the episode, it's not just that one article that got text lifted from it; text was also copied in whole or in part, without attribution, from other Misplaced Pages articles I have contributed to (but didn't author) and an article on another website that publishes under a CC BY-NC-ND license. I don't know how I would handle notifying the other parties that got plagiarised either. I haven't combed through the entire episode yet, but already a sizeable portion consists of unattributed text, either identical to the source or with minor alterations. --Grnrchst (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
One man deserves the credit, one man deserves the blame... JayCubby 00:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Hmm... would Misplaced Pages:Standard CC BY-SA violation letter be of help? JayCubby 01:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Unfortunately, you're talking about a medium where many people's understanding of copyright law, even when they do demonstrate an awareness that it exists and is applicable, is largely demonstrated by videos posted on YouTube of clips from movies and TV shows with the note "Copyright infringement not intended". Which, I sometimes leave a comment pointing out to them, is akin to dashing out of a clothing store with an armful of unpaid-for merchandise while shouting "Shoplifting not intended". Largoplazo (talk) 14:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I've found Misplaced Pages plagiarized in scientific journal articles. I have no tolerance for that and I contact the publishers directly. But little to nothing comes of it. In the one instance, I waited almost a year but nothing really happened. Upon pushing the matter, the publishers allowed the authors to make some trivial changes but there was no retraction. (See my banner notes at the top of Talk:Semi-empirical mass formula if you are interested in this example.) Fortunately, this kind of plagiarism may be common in less prestigious journals and by less prestigious authors from universities in countries that may not care about plagiarism of Western sources. Jason Quinn (talk) 08:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Jason Quinn Wrong section? You wanted to post below? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, it was. Sorry about that. I moved my comment (along with yours) to the proper spot. Jason Quinn (talk) 21:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
@Jason Quinn PS. Make sure to use PubPeer and comment on those articles! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
I'll check it out. Jason Quinn (talk) 21:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Looks like the publisher has a ... somewhat questionable reputation to put it politely. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Some years ago, we found a source saying that the 20% of lowest-ranked journals had a higher risk of copyright violations. (They did tend to be journals from developing countries or otherwise with limited resources – think "Journal of the Tinyland Medical Society".) I have discouraged using journals from the lowest ranked quintile ever since. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
As an aside, I'm pretty sure I've been the "benefactor" of scholarly citogenesis several times—uncited additions from a decade ago that I'm scouring for cites and pondering whether to rewrite from scratch, when I find a passage that pretty much has the same structure and specifics (uncontroversial stuff, mind) and I smile. I do wonder if I should be so happy, but I figure they're qualified to conduct original research and this isn't likely to introduce poor quality infomation. Remsense ‥ 论 04:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
When the plagiarism is substantial, please remember to tag the talk page with {{backwardscopy}}. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Copyright infringement of Misplaced Pages by other people is not immoral, so I don't believe it's in anyone's best interest to try to police it at all. We write this stuff with the hopes that it is accurate and that it will be shared. The podcaster in question shared it. Presumably, if you are proud of it, you also consider it accurate. Big Success. No Stress.
Additionally, it does not do to mix complaints about plagiarism and copyright infringement together. Copyright is law, and plagiarism is not law. Just like us, the podcaster is fully within their rights as the users of text to copy it without attribution when their use isn't a copyright violation. If it was enough text for you to notice this, I'll trust you that it was a lot of text. But, just FYI, if someone copies a little from an article (or even a little from several articles), they would not need a license to do that and their lack of compliance with the unneeded license would not constitute copyright infringement. lethargilistic (talk) 08:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Indigenous territory

Are there Indigenous territory in Ecuador, Suriname? What about Honduras, Guatemala, and Salvador? Kaiyr (talk) 05:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure what specifically is being asked, but I'm fairly sure you didn't mean to ask it at the village pump? Remsense ‥ 论 05:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
This might be a question for the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
I suggested Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Humanities on their talkpage. CMD (talk) 07:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
It's a good bet that all of the territory has been there longer than any colonizer. —Tamfang (talk) 21:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Query to find uncategorized Commons images used on a Misplaced Pages

Hello, before I added a category, this file was uncategorized on Commons, but was used on a page on the Greek language wikipedia. Maybe using Petscan?, is there a way of searching say all pages in the category Museums in Greece, and its subcategories, to list images used on those pages that are uncategorized in Commons? Thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: Something like this seems to already exist: commons:Category:Media needing category review by usage. MKFI (talk) 18:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Font query

My font on Misplaced Pages (page & edit window) has changed, don't know why, is this a site setting, a Chrome setting. I'm not sure where to search for the issue. Appreciate any input. Thanx, - FlightTime (open channel) 16:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I would try WP:VPT as tech minded editors would probably know. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 18:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
@FlightTime Mediawiki does not specify a specific font, it just tells your browser to use it's default sans-serif one. If your font has changed this will be due to your browser. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Moving another user's essay to project space

I'd had it in mind for quite some time to write an essay in project space about announcements. I've seen entire sections consisting of sentences with the word "announced" in them, giving the impression that the subject's history consists not of events and actions at all but only of announcements that such events or actions were planned, leaving the reader to wonder whether any of them ever actually happened. I wanted to exhort people who add to an article, in November 2024, "In November 2024 it was announced that X would be joining the series as a regular character in the new season" to return after the new season begins and replace the text about the announcement with "In April 2025, X joined the series as a regular character" or, if X didn't join the series after all, to remove the sentence as probably irrelevant, unless some mention is to be made of why X's addition to the series didn't come to pass.

So one day recently I sat down to begin such an essay, but first checked the status of the obvious shortcut, WP:ANNOUNCED—and found that it already existed as a redirect to a user-space essay belonging to User:HuffTheWeevil. That essay is quite thorough and covers most of the ground that I had had in mind, and I think it would be useful to have it in project space. So, while noting that that user hadn't edited in over two years but thinking the might see and respond to a ping if they even read Misplaced Pages while logged in, I went to their talk page to leave basically the same message that I've written here, to ask if they would be averse to having their essay moved to project space.

That was four weeks ago, and there've been no edits in that time by the user. I was wondering whether it would be reasonable, without express permission, either to move or copy the essay to project space and retarget WP:ANNOUNCED there. Also, if that were to happen, I'm seeking a good title. Floating around in my head:

Largoplazo (talk) 17:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

What a good notion! That type of language in articles irks me too. Especially personal life sections that read "they announced they were engaged, they announced the wedding date, they got married, they announced they were expecting, they had a baby" and so on. (Sorry I don't have an answer to your questions, but I do like the idea.) Schazjmd (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles about companies, particularly finance companies, drive me crazy in that way. You'd think from some of their articles that they're more noted for their announcements than for what they've actually done. "In October 2018, ABC announced that they were acquiring at 30% share in GHI. In February 2019, they announced the coming release of version 5 of their product." Did the GHI buy-in ever happen? Did they ever release version 5? Who knows??? The article doesn't say! Largoplazo (talk) 00:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Even more annoying is when media happily passes on announcements, but fails to pay any attention when they actually happen, so we're left sourceless. Schazjmd (talk) 00:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
To go off a bit on a tangent, this is like when the media report someone's arrest (which goes on to be covered here) and then never follow up (leaving Misplaced Pages readers in the lurch). Largoplazo (talk) 00:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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