| Revision as of 16:23, 20 April 2009 edit79.66.16.26 (talk) →Lead section← Previous edit |
Latest revision as of 14:14, 15 December 2024 edit undoLowercase sigmabot III (talk | contribs)Bots, Template editors2,295,346 editsm Archiving 2 discussion(s) to Talk:Everton F.C./Archive 3) (bot |
| (265 intermediate revisions by more than 100 users not shown) |
| Line 1: |
Line 1: |
|
{{talkheader}} |
|
{{Talk header}} |
|
|
{{Article history |
|
{{ArticleHistory |
|
|
|action1=PR |
|
|action1=PR |
|
|action1date=13:58, 18 August 2006 |
|
|action1date=13:58, 18 August 2006 |
| Line 19: |
Line 19: |
|
|action3oldid=189470445 |
|
|action3oldid=189470445 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|action4=FAR |
|
|currentstatus=FA |
|
|
|
|action4date=13:04, 28 September 2010 |
|
|
|action4link=Misplaced Pages:Featured article review/Everton F.C./archive2 |
|
|
|action4result=removed |
|
|
|action4oldid=387363159 |
|
|
|
|
|
|action5=PR |
|
|
|action5date=19:53, 8 November 2011 |
|
|
|action5link=Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Everton F.C./archive2 |
|
|
|action5result=reviewed |
|
|
|action5oldid=459383332 |
|
|
|
|
|
|currentstatus=FFA |
|
|
|topic=sports |
|
}} |
|
}} |
|
|
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=B|1= |
|
{{WikiProjectBanners |
|
|
|1={{Talk Spoken Misplaced Pages|Everton_FC.ogg}} |
|
{{WikiProject Spoken Misplaced Pages}} |
|
|2={{WPE|class=FA|importance=High}} |
|
{{WikiProject England|importance=High}} |
|
|3={{Football|class=FA|importance=high|England=yes}} |
|
{{WikiProject Football|importance=high|England=yes}} |
|
|4={{WikiProject Merseyside|importance=top|class=FA}} |
|
{{WikiProject Merseyside|importance=top}} |
|
|
}} |
|
|
{{User:MiszaBot/config |
|
|
|archiveheader = {{aan}} |
|
|
|maxarchivesize = 100K |
|
|
|counter = 3 |
|
|
|minthreadsleft = 5 |
|
|
|algo = old(60d) |
|
|
|archive = Talk:Everton F.C./Archive %(counter)d |
|
}} |
|
}} |
|
{{football portal selected|article}} |
|
|
{{British English}} |
|
|
{{archive box collapsible|auto=yes}} |
|
|
|
|
|
== Rivalry sentence == |
|
|
|
|
|
Quick question. Does this sentence under "Stadium" need to mention the "respectful" rivalry with Liverpool, or should it just remain "rivalry?" Who is perceiving the rivalry as such? From reading the entry on ] I do not get the same idea: |
|
|
:''Ever since those events, a fierce rivalry has existed between Everton and Liverpool, albeit one that is generally perceived as more respectful than many other derbies in English football.'' |
|
|
|
|
|
At the very least it needs some sort reference, maybe an article or it will probably need a ] added while it is being pondered.--] (]) 18:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
*I think describing it as a fierce rivalry is accurate and leaves the reader with an informed view. I believe the "respectful" aspect is more subjective and needs a citation however. I don't wholly disagree with that interpretation (red and blue shirts walking home together is a common sight) but I think a source should be given. ] (]) 00:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== British English == |
|
|
I've added the template to the top of the talk page, and changed the grammar of some of the references in the lead so as to conform with the traditional English habit of treating clubs as a plural. 'Everton are' rather than 'Everton is' for example, as per ] and ] - ''']''' '']'' 17:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== Honours == |
|
|
|
|
|
I was thinking of changing the layout of the Honours section from this: |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
*''']: 9'''<sup></sup><!--<ref group=nb>-->Up until 1992, the top division of ] was the ]; since then, it has been the ].</ref> |
|
|
**1890–91, 1914–15, 1927–28, 1931–32, 1938–39, 1962–63, 1969–70, 1984–85, 1986–87 |
|
|
|
|
|
*'''] Runners-up: 7''' |
|
|
**1889-90, 1894-95, 1901-02, 1904-05, 1908-09, 1911-12, 1985-86 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
To something more like this: |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
*''']: |
|
|
**'''Champions (9)''' - 1890–91, 1914–15, 1927–28, 1931–32, 1938–39, 1962–63, 1969–70, 1984–85, 1986–87 |
|
|
**'''Runners-up (7)''' - 1889-90, 1894-95, 1901-02, 1904-05, 1908-09, 1911-12, 1985-86 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I don't think the First Division, etc. bit needs repeating. Would anyone object to this? ] (]) 15:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:No. I think it's clear common sense. All the honours should be like that. ] (]) 21:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
<sup></sup> |
|
|
|
|
|
== More honours stuff == |
|
|
|
|
|
I've added the honours won in the Liverpool and Lancashire Senior Cups (taken from their respective articles) - not sure if anyone will object as not particularly notable. While today we compete using our reserve team in the liverpool senior cup, and no longer compete in the lancashire one, back in ye olden days the first team would have competed and its still an honour as such. And we technically nter as everton, not everton reserves or U-18s. Any thoughts? - ''']''' '']'' 17:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== St Luke's == |
|
|
|
|
|
A sentence stating that St Luke's is part of the ground was removed then reinserted, along with details of Goodison being the only stadium in the world with a church in its grounds. I can imagine a bit of contention is whether the church is actually in the grounds of Goodison, or that it's so tight to the Gwladys St and Main Stands that it is effectively within the grounds. Aside from this, ]'s ] has a separate chapel building within the ground, so perhaps saying that Goodison is alone in having a church in the grounds is maybe not technically inaccurate, but is perhaps misleading. ] (]) 13:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
---------------- |
|
|
GP does NOT have church within its grounds FACT!!!!! Church grounds cuts into the symetry of the site. Two very different things!!!! The difference must be emphasised. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
|
|
:Writing "FACT!!!!!" doesn't prove anything. A citable source is needed one way or the other. Regardless, Goodison is in no way symmetrical with or without St Luke's. ] (]) 16:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
::There is already a citable source provided, it's mentioned in the 'everton firsts' reference thats attached to that section. - ''']''' '']'' 17:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:::I checked it out and amended in order that the text matched the description in the source. ] (]) 22:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== Next Season's Kits == |
|
|
|
|
|
I added Le Coq Sportif from 2009 to the kit/sponsers table. I know they don't take over until the summer but figured they might as well be added now, feel free to remove if someone strongly disagrees. I'm not sure if the club have officially confirmed that Le Coq are taking over from Umbro but megastore staff are telling customers that Le Coq are the new designers from next season and these leaked designs have now appeared on this website which appear to confirm the rumours: drawings of home and away kit here and the rather more substantial evidence in the form of Neville and Howard modelling the new tracksuit and goalkeepers kit here . I like the idea of basing the home kit on the 83-85 kit but don't like the panels. As for the away kit, I think it's looks horrendous from that preview. ] (]) 02:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:You need to find a ] rather than rumour websites and such. ] (]) 08:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== Fixing History == |
|
|
|
|
|
I recommend that we refocus and summarise the history section into three parts: Early years (formation to 1960), 1960–1992 (basically their most successful years in the post-war era), and Premier League (From league formation to present). I realise this may create a little recent-ism but I would envision that the latter section would be the smallest. The recent-ism present in the article now is worse by far (Everton Tigers? Standard Liege??). Headers would help organise the history information more coherently. Any information that is not of the utmost pertinence should be moved to ] This article should be fully deserving of that little gold star. ] (]) 18:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
==History== |
|
|
|
|
|
1. The initial formation |
|
|
|
|
|
2. From church team to Top English team in a short time |
|
|
|
|
|
3. The split in the club which was so severe it forced the club to move grounds |
|
|
|
|
|
4. The results of the club's principles (created a ground initially better than all else. |
|
|
|
|
|
5. The success of the club on the field. There is no most successful period, as the club has more seasons in the top-flight and scored more goals than all others, and only in the last season or so was eclipsed in most games won. Emphasis is to be upon the consistent top-flight competing nature of the club. Always there, always competing at the top level. No eternal phases in lower divisions. Evertonians only have ever seen top-class football in their 4 double-decker stands at GP, apart from 4 seasons. Everton are different.<small>(unsigned) 79.66.15.240</small> |
|
|
|
|
|
:Well that's some nice POV you're pushing there. Either way, a chronological approach is more logical than one which repeats "Still in the top flight scoring goals". Never had a most successful period? I think the League titles, FA Cups and Cup Winner's Cup won in the mid 1960s to mid 1980s is clearly the high point in their modern history, or should we emphasise how they have finished mid table (or worse) and won little in the periods between that? By all means state that they are a well-established and successful English football team (goals, appearances and all) but for the history we need more than the few little statements which we can derive from that. |
|
|
|
|
|
:I disagree with such a strong focus on the distant past. It should be adequately summarised instead. You do realise that Everton's history is more than 1880 to 1910? If they'd have finished as a club then, no one would give two hoots: They have won leagues, cups, and the respect of other clubs in the last fifty years. Pre-war, football wasn't as professional and Everton's successes from the sixties onwards are their real achievements, and should be emphasised as such. Remember: we have ] to deal with topics more in-depth. The history section here should be succinct, to the point, and focused upon the most important information which really isn't minor details about how Goodison Park was in 1900. ] (]) 21:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== Reverts == |
|
|
|
|
|
Why do you keep reverting Mr IP? Here are the problems you : |
|
|
|
|
|
# what is a "senior club"? |
|
|
|
|
|
''Everton - obvious!'' |
|
|
|
|
|
# only English teams have won the English League |
|
|
|
|
|
''10 of 10.'' |
|
|
|
|
|
# Using Everton repeatedly when alternatives suffice |
|
|
|
|
|
''They, their and ands is amateurish. The text is meant for neutrals to read and understand.'' |
|
|
|
|
|
#"lifted the the"? |
|
|
#"] is the home ground" - The home ground of what? And whose home ground? |
|
|
|
|
|
''The home of ground of the team in the subject title. |
|
|
'' |
|
|
|
|
|
#Details of the Everton Athletic naming dispute are very minor for the lead |
|
|
|
|
|
''So, you say, but you like poor English as well.'' |
|
|
|
|
|
#Returned prose to its disjointed paragraph when it was perfectly incorporated |
|
|
# Undoing a number of valid formatting fixes. |
|
|
|
|
|
Why do you seem to be constantly flitting between valid edits and purely disruptive ones? You've never justified your edits besides the oft repeated claim that they are "superior". The reality is that they really aren't superior, they are a world of paragraph holes and spelling errors. I fear that you are here for the joy of disruption. Having the audacity to revert to such plainly error-ridden material, coupled with pompous authoritative edit summaries, leads me to believe this is so. Unless you focus on genuinely improving the article I shall apply for protection, thus rendering the article locked to non-registered users. ] (]) 21:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
The edits are not valid and poor, so require professionalism.(unsigned IP) |
|
|
|
|
|
:Well, I don't appreciate you removing my comments, nor do I appreciate you describing my English as poor. You are simply ]. Still, what is a "senior club"? Is it for old people? "They" and "their" (what the hell is "ands"?) are not amateurish: they are the result of a British English variant which leads to the use of a plural to describe certain bodies and organisations (such as this one). Hence – ''"Everton are this year's League champions"'' not ''"Everton is this year's League champion"''. This is the common usage. Another point: if "Goodison is the home ground" is fine then perhaps we should write the article as "Everton are a Merseyside club. Football is the sport." |
|
|
|
|
|
:I'm done with you now and will not respond to your attempts to rile me up. Feel free to vandalise the page some more so I can get you blocked. It would be much simpler. ] (]) 21:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
Sillyfolkboy, the version you removed was vastly superior. The English written properly. If you wrote the original you are lacking in English skills - that is clear. Nothing personal, it is just that way. So please when sections are re-written (the content was the same) leave them alone. Your English is embarrassing to the club. |
|
|
|
|
|
If you have a problem then highlight the specific points that bother you on this page. Do not revert to little more than schoolboy written sections. |
|
|
|
|
|
The opening section: |
|
|
|
|
|
Everton Football Club are a professional English football club located in the city of Liverpool. Their home ground is Goodison Park. The club competes in the Premier League and were a founder member of the world's first football league in 1888. Everton have contested more seasons in the top flight of English football than any other club. |
|
|
|
|
|
Currently managed by David Moyes, Everton have won the League Championship nine times—the fourth highest of any team. Additionally, they have won the FA Cup five times and the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup once. The club's most recent major trophy was the 1995 FA Cup. |
|
|
|
|
|
Everton were founded in 1878 and have a notable rivalry with near neighbours Liverpool F.C.. Liverpool FC were formed fourteen years after Everton by a breakaway group of Everton's old chairman and a few players. A dispute with the Everton committee and the chairman who owned the Anfield ground, forced Everton FC to look for another home ground. Everton have been based at Goodison Park since 1892 as a result of the split. |
|
|
|
|
|
In 2006, it was announced that the club and Knowsley Council were discussing the construction of a new 55,000 seater stadium in Kirkby. The club have a large fanbase and regularly attracts large crowds, averaging over 36,000 (90% of capacity) during the 2005–06 season. |
|
|
|
|
|
Numerous well-known footballers have had a career at Everton F.C. Since 2000, the club has annually recognised successful former players as "Giants" of the team. Dixie Dean, who played for the team in the 1920s and 1930s, is the most prolific goal-scorer in English football history, and in 1927-28 set the record for league goals in a single season by scoring 60 times. |
|
|
|
|
|
'''The above is full of generally poor clunky English. The section needs splitting into logical paragraphs and events sequentially. Info is all over the place - the managers name is mentioned before the date of foundation. Now lets have a go at it properly, with the same content and little added.... |
|
|
''' |
|
|
|
|
|
''Everton Football Club are a professional English football club located at ] in the city of Liverpool, England. Founded in 1878, one of England's senior clubs being a founder member of the world's first football league in 1888. |
|
|
|
|
|
The club have a large fanbase and regularly attracts high attendances, averaging over 36,000, 90% of stadium capacity. |
|
|
|
|
|
Through history Everton have proven to be the most consistent top-flight competitor in English football, having contested more seasons and scored more goals than any other club. |
|
|
|
|
|
This consistency has cascaded into nine League Championships, the fourth highest of any club, five FA Cups and a UEFA Cup Winners' Cup. The club's most recent major trophy was the 1995 FA Cup. |
|
|
|
|
|
Numerous well-known footballers played for Everton F.C. Since 2000, the club has annually recognised successful former players as Giants of the team. The most notable is William (Dixie) Dean, the centre forward in the 1920s and 1930s. Dean is the most prolific goal-scorer in English football history, setting an all time record of 60 league goals in a single season in 1927-28. |
|
|
|
|
|
Everton have a notable rivalry with near neighbours Liverpool F.C.. Liverpool FC were formed in 1892 by a breakaway group of Everton's old president and a few players. A dispute with the Everton committee and the president who owned the Anfield ground where Everton played, forced Everton F.C. to look for another home ground. Everton have been based at Goodison Park since 1892 as a result of the split. |
|
|
|
|
|
In 2006, it was announced that the club and Knowsley Council were discussing the construction of a new 55,000 seater stadium in Kirkby on the Liverpool city border. Progress has been delayed due to a public inquiry. |
|
|
|
|
|
The current manager is David Moyes.'' |
|
|
|
|
|
'''As you can see above, the structure is sequential, progressive and easy to read. Who the club is, when founded, where they play, a senior English club, a large English club. Notable achievements. All in order and separated into logical paragraphs. This is going on the main article.''' (User:Waterspaces) |
|
|
|
|
|
::I've reworked the lead again. Please read ] and . I quote: |
|
|
*"One-sentence paragraphs are unusually emphatic, and should be used sparingly. Articles should rarely, if ever, consist solely of such paragraphs." |
|
|
::I fully agree with this guideline and it is obvious that your attempts to paragraph information by sub-topic are inhibiting the flow of the text. Furthermore, phrases such as "This consistency has cascaded" are highly ambiguous at best and verging on the unintelligible at worst. |
|
|
::I have reordered the sections to group related topics with (1) definition and summary (2) history victories (3) Worked in kit/colours with Dixie Dean/Giants info. (4) A mix of "supporters and rivalries" and stadiums through connecting prose. |
|
|
::I think the main points are now covered concisely, although I have excerpted Moyes from the lead. Although he is currently relevant to the club, he has not defined himself as any more notable than previous successful managers. |
|
|
::Your insults continue to denigrate your contributions Waterspaces. ] (]) 19:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
:::The new lead is a definite improvement on what we've had there previously. It works in details that we've been inexplicably missing previously (colours for example) and gives a far better account of the club's history (emphasing 1980s for example) than merely listing total trophies won; agree with the Moyes point as well. The prose is to a high standard; not ovely colloquial or prone to puffery. |
|
|
:::I do have one slight quibble - the statement describing Dean as "the most prolific goal-scorer in English football history" doesn't seem quite right to me, seemingly implying that he's scored the most goals in history, rather than just most goals in one season; most goals is either Arthur Rowley for all divisions or Jimmy Greaves for top-flight alone. Perhaps that can be slightly reworded. Otherwise, its a very good lead. - ''']''' '']'' 20:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
::::I wasn't sure of that before (prolific is a little ambiguous when saying someone is "the most.."). In light of the Rowley/Greaves achievements I'd make this change: |
|
|
From: |
|
|
*''the most notable is Dixie Dean, a centre forward in the 1920s and 1930s. Dean is the most prolific goal-scorer in English football history, setting an all time record of 60 league goals in a single season in 1927–28'' |
|
|
To: |
|
|
*''the most notable is Dixie Dean, who scored a record 60 league goals in the 1927–28 season'' |
|
|
::::What do you think? ] (]) 20:50, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:::::Perfect, its accurate and concise while showing why he's important enough to be in the lead. - ''']''' '']'' 20:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
::::::{{tlx|editprotected}} I think it's quite a logical edit. We can suppose that he was a 1920/30's forward from the number of goals and the year of the record season anyway. ] (]) 21:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:::::::{{done}} – <span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; font-size:15px;">''']]'''</span> 21:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== Formatting issues? == |
|
|
|
|
|
Is there a reason why Southall is in yellow on the greatest ever team? Can't see a MOS or similar, and it looks odd imo ] (]) 18:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:I've no idea why he's in yellow. It's just formatted in that way and can be changed back to white. Perhaps it suggests that he is the captain? ] (]) 19:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== Crest, etc section == |
|
|
|
|
|
Whilst the page is locked, I thought the following recent addition could be looked at: |
|
|
|
|
|
<blockquote>In the very early days players would wear their own badges on their shirts. These could be their county or city association badges. The city of Liverpool's emblem, the Liver Bird was used on club stationary and plaques and many players would have a Liver Bird in their Liverpool Association badges. There has been a move to have the Liver Bird on the shirts of Everton FC, as Everton are the senior of the club's in Liverpool and the emblem is not new to the club. Wearing the city emblem would assert Everton FC's connection with the City of Liverpool. This prompted Liverpool FC, who use the emblem on their shirts, to attempt to patent the city emblem, which met with city council opposition. Liverpool FC dropped the absurd move.</blockquote> |
|
|
|
|
|
There's obviously a load of POV stuff in here, the English is poor and it's completed unreferenced. But, is there any usable evidence anywhere to back any of this up? LFC's recent attempts to copyright the Liver Bird should be easy but I don't know about the rest. It's news to me. ] (]) 22:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
:All I'm picking up is gossip/forums for the Everton idea of putting it on the shirt. Apparently it was to prevent counterfeit Liverpool merchandise being sold: . Also, the person who wrote it obviously doesn't know the difference between a ] and a ]. I would hardly call Liverpool's attempt to ''trademark only its own specific version of the Liver Bird'' "absurd". Either way, it's entirely irrelevant to Everton. |
|
|
:However, the fact that the Liver bird was on maybe be worth a mention in the History of... article. ] (]) 22:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
----- |
|
|
|
|
|
Someone change the opening section for well written one. Who writes this childish garbage? Here is is... |
|
|
|
|
|
Everton Football Club are an English professional football club from the city of Liverpool, England. '''''' Having competed in the top division for a record 107 seasons, '''''' they '''''' have played more top-flight league games '''''' than any other English team and '''''' have won the League Championship nine times—the fourth highest of any team. The club competes in the Premier League, being ever-present since the league was founded in 1992. |
|
|
|
|
|
Formed in 1878, Everton were founder members of The Football League in 1888 and '''''' won their first '''''' league championship three years later. '''''' Following five league titles and two FA Cups, Everton experienced a lull in the post-war period until a revival in the 1960s, winning two league championships and an FA Cup. The mid-1980s represented their '''''' most recent period of success, with two league victories, an FA Cup, and the 1985 European Cup Winners' Cup—their first continental trophy. The club's most recent major trophy was the 1995 FA Cup. |
|
|
|
|
|
The club's home colours have traditionally been blue and white, '''''' and '''''' numerous well-known footballers have donned the Everton shirt: the most notable is Dixie Dean, '''''' who scored a record 60 league goals in the 1927–28 season. Since 2000, the club has annually recognised successful former players, nominating an "Everton Giant" at the beginning of each season. |
|
|
|
|
|
The club have a large fanbase and regularly attracts high attendances, averaging over 36,000, 90% of stadium capacity. Everton have a notable rivalry with neighbours Liverpool F.C. and matches between the two sides are known as the Merseyside Derby. Liverpool F.C. were formed in 1892 by a breakaway group consisting of Everton's former president and several players. The dispute also resulted in Everton leaving Anfield, their original home ground. '''''' They '''''' have been '''''' based at their current home ground, Goodison Park, since 1892. Plans to move to a new 55,000 seater stadium in Kirkby on the Liverpool city border have been delayed due to a public inquiry. '''''' |
|
|
''' |
|
|
Whoever wrote this locked the editing of the page. They obvious have high opinion of their own English and ability to convey information via the English language. The opening section is appalling.''' |
|
|
|
|
|
<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:04, Apr 19, 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
|
|
|
|
|
:Firstly ] didn't lock the page, it was locked by ] (who hasn't been involved in the dispute), so before you start making false implications about others, you might want to try ]. |
|
|
:Secondly, the use of 'their', 'they' etc. is perfectly legitimate in ] when referring to football clubs and other such organisations as they're treated as plural nouns (see ]), and it looks a lot better than simply repeating 'Everton are', 'Everton have' over and over again. The reader can see from the title which team the article is about - they don't need to be reminded every sentence. And how is the word 'and' amateurish? (pun fully intended) |
|
|
:With regards to Dean, William (Dixie) Dean would probably be the best alternative here - we do try and use common names as much as possible, and whether Dean liked it or not, he's known invariably as Dixie. The reference to the clubs colours say that they 'traditionally' have - given that the club's home colours have been blue and white continuously since 1901, I think its a legitimate statement, and previous kit styles are mentioned in the appropriate section - a lead section about Everton, a team often referred to as the Blues, that doesn't state this rather important observation, isn't a very good lead. |
|
|
:I don't really want to reduce this down to a conflict of personalities, but IMO your conduct throughout this entire dispute has been rather rude, impugning other people's linguistic comprehension and replacing their edits with quite often badly mangled alternatives (I also don't want to make this into a tit-for-tat insult fest, but if you're going to insult people's writing abilities, it would help if your own edits were in slightly more coherent and gramatically correct English), demanding that people refrain from editing what's meant to be a collaborative encyclopedia (please try looking up ] for a brief explanation of why '''your''' opinion is not necessarily the be all and end all in this discussion), and dismissing other people's reasoned contributions as 'amateurish' at the drop of a hat. Others have consistently assumed good faith, and attempted to work to create a better article. - ''']''' '']'' |
|
|
::I find the idea that the word "and" is ''amateurish'' quite risible. In fact I find it positively hilarious. ] (]) 01:28, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:::Not as hilarious as using appalling English whilst criticising that of others so vociferously - "They obvious have high opinion of their own English...". Amazing. ] (]) 06:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:::One important point is raised, though. Anfield was ''not'' Everton's original ground, so the sentence should read "...former ground..." ] (]) 06:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
::::Maybe "original stadium" would do the trick? Or just simply removing ''"their original home ground"''?... Actually I think a rephrase to ''"As a result, Everton left their home ground, ], in 1892 and they have been based at ] ever since."'' (or similar) might be the best option. ] (]) 10:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:Regarding those reverted edits Waterspaces: Writing is often subjective but the idea that "and" should used sparingly is utter tosh. |
|
|
|
|
|
::'''You would say that as you are not good at English.''' |
|
|
|
|
|
:Do not edit others comments on the talk page. It is explicitly discouraged for obvious reasons. Your "school boy" and "dork" jibes are wearing thin. |
|
|
|
|
|
:Schoolboy English and no notion of structuring is apparent. It wears thin on those who don't know or refuse to accept how it is done properly. Just look at the opening section. A joke!!! |
|
|
|
|
|
::Remember: who, where why, what , when, how. |
|
|
|
|
|
::Who: Everton FC |
|
|
::Where: Goodison Park, Liverpool |
|
|
::What: a football club |
|
|
::When: 1878 - 2009 |
|
|
::Why: To occuppy young boys in sport in winter |
|
|
::How: Rev Swift's church team. |
|
|
|
|
|
::That should be in the opening section. If you can't figure that out, just give up. |
|
|
|
|
|
:I am a man of much patience but I will not suffer fools gladly. |
|
|
|
|
|
::I am with you. so why do you persist? |
|
|
|
|
|
:You have pushed this too far and now |
|
|
|
|
|
::You mean we can't have the best English and you want school written stuff? |
|
|
|
|
|
:I too have resorted to personal attacks. |
|
|
|
|
|
::I know. All along. |
|
|
|
|
|
:However, I am confident that when others review your edits they will reach a similar conclusion. |
|
|
|
|
|
::I am the only one who wrote anything remotely professional. Look at the opening section. GP is only mentioned at the end with it whittering on about Dixie Dean way before. HWWWWH. |
|
|
|
|
|
:Sadly, I have really tried to work with you on these article issues. |
|
|
|
|
|
::You have not at all. You have only reversed good well written work. |
|
|
|
|
|
:The only thing I have had in return from you are insults, illogical arguments, and repeated statements about your "superiority". |
|
|
|
|
|
::Illogical come to mind when reading the article an then the discussion. |
|
|
|
|
|
:I'm tired and I wish you'd start treating others with respect. |
|
|
|
|
|
::Respect should be to those who clearly have experience and skills. Namely, me. |
|
|
|
|
|
:I sincerely hope you are not this impolite in your day-to-day life, unless I pity those that meet you. |
|
|
|
|
|
::Highly respected and do not take nonsense. |
|
|
|
|
|
:] (]) 12:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
== Minor honours error == |
|
|
|
|
|
{{tlx|editprotected}} In the ] section, the 4th item in the FA Cup runners-up list is incorrectly shown as 1986, not 1968 as its (correctly) linked to, so if an admin could change it that'd be ace. Also, as finals of other competitions have been linked to, could the European Cup Winner's Cup win be piped to ] - cheers. - ''']''' '']'' 23:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:{{done}} – <span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; font-size:15px;">''']]'''</span> 23:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
==Historic crest's== |
|
::{{tlx|editprotected}} |
|
|
|
Just wondering opinions on the uploading of past crests. People have mentioned copyright and a image was removed in the past. Would it be possible to take photos of old badges on past kits and simply upload them? Maybe multiple ones could be edited into one image? |
|
|
What do users think? ] (]) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
== Evertonia / FOREVERTON ? == |
|
::Sorry to be a pain, but as you seem to be doing all these little fixes, please could you also remove the bracketed numbers showing how many times they've won, been runners-up etc. next to the last 4 honours lists, just to make them consistent with the rest. Cheers. - ''']''' '']'' 23:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:::{{done}} Heh, don't worry about it. ] is down, so I have no copyright issues to zap anyway. – <span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; font-size:15px;">''']]'''</span> 23:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
This article says 'The official supporters club is Evertonia', the link currently still works |
|
== Lead section == |
|
|
|
but the content has changed to FOREVERTON. |
|
|
http://www.evertonfc.com/evertonia/ has the same content as http://www.evertonfc.com/foreverton |
|
|
== More recent accounts and blurb... == |
|
|
|
|
|
|
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00036624/filing-history ] (]) 16:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC) |
|
I think the paragraph about Goodison Park, Merseyside Derby, etc. should come before the one concerning Bill Dean, club colours, etc. ] (]) 12:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
:I agree, the historical information in the two larger paragraphs makes them better placed if together. ] (]) 12:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
== Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2024 == |
|
Just put back in the piece I wrote as it was done properly. I explained to you all how to do it. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
{{Edit semi-protected|Everton F.C.|answered=yes}} |
|
::No problem with that, I'll add the editprot tag. - ''']''' '']'' 14:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
“Liverpool” is spelled “Livepool” in the 4th paragraph. ] (]) 12:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC) |
|
{{tl|editprotected}} |
|
|
|
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 13:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC) |
|
As above request by ] |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
== Socks == |
|
: {{EP|d}}. Cheers, ] 15:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I started watching EFC in 1950. |
|
:: By the by, the lead seems to have conflicting opinions whether "Everton Football Club" is singular or plural: |
|
|
|
As I recall, the traditional socks then, and for some time thereafter, were blue with a white turnover. ] (]) 22:18, 14 December 2024 (UTC) |
|
::* Everton Football Club are ... |
|
|
::* The club competes ... |
|
|
::* The club have ... |
|
|
::* the club has ... |
|
|
:: ] 16:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
|
Just wondering opinions on the uploading of past crests. People have mentioned copyright and a image was removed in the past. Would it be possible to take photos of old badges on past kits and simply upload them? Maybe multiple ones could be edited into one image?
What do users think? Xenomorph1984 (talk)
I started watching EFC in 1950.
As I recall, the traditional socks then, and for some time thereafter, were blue with a white turnover. Legsy43 (talk) 22:18, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Done ''']''' (talk • contribs) 13:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)