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== Greetings and... ==
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I think we need to discuss the lead, at the article's Talk page. I like some of what you've done, but removing Slim Jim's interational career from the lead was a mistake. --] (]) 20:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi Thumperward! I see that you did some extensive work over at ] last year. As I know zilch about that subject, could you please check out Cheers! ] (]) 10:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
: I think the old version assigned rather undue weight to that one game, but I'm not adverse to adding another sentence on it. I'll make sure to watch the talk page. ] - ] 21:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


: That IP edit is simple vandalism. I think the following edit (other than the inadvertent italic text) was probably okay in intent, though it was loquatious and didn't really improve the text. ] (]) 10:32, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
::I've just posted comments at ]. If by "undue weight to that one game" you mean 1967:
::*The article says Baxter thought 1962 was his best.
::*But Scottish fans / commentators most strongly remember Baxter toying with the world champions. --] (]) 21:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


==Concern regarding ]==
::: Meh. I still think it's undue weight. Archie Gemmell's single most memorable moment in football might have been in Argentina, but you could write pages on the rest of it. I think the same applies here. ] - ] 21:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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::::Gemmell was also the driving force behind Forest's 2 European Cups. Rangers never won a European comp in Baxter's time, so his fame rests on his internationals - against the world champions. And it's what the sources say. If we continue this, let's do it at ]. --] (]) 22:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for your submission to Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 16:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
::::: Sure. Do you mind reformatting your last comment to place the whole lot after mine rather than segmenting, though? By interspersing comments it becomes very hard to follow who said who in the future. I'll reply once that's done. Cheers for the dialogue by the way. ] - ] 22:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! ==
::::::The nested format seems to work rather well at GA reviews, that's where I got into the habit. But I sign every item, addition, so it's obvious who said what. --] (]) 22:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


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You said to continue the discussion on your talk page. Since your RfA, you have referred to me by something other than my currently and only account (as any checkuser can confirm)'s username, made accusations against me in the above cited thread and now an AN/I. What gives? When I opposed in your RfA, I tried not to make it overally mean, and afterwards I even tried to make an encouraging post on your talk page. I certainly am not just showing up in any discussions in which you commented or started first and so why the aggression against me in these other venues? I don't expect us to just agree on everything, but why when I am trying to be nice or politely disagree are you still acting confrontational to me? I don't know if I just can't win or what, but I really thought with the whole natural horse thing we were at least coming to an understanding and that by not making a big fuss at your RfA (i.e. opposing while pointing out some positives and not going back and forth with other editors as I have done in other RfAs) it would have been received far more favorably. I cannot tell how frustrating it is when I try to be nice or fair to just be rebuffed and against regarding me going on breaks, please note what the talk page templates say, they clearly both allow for occasional breaks from the break and again as well when I last did break around the time of your RfA, I really did not edit for a whole week. Anyway, I am just distressed that things have deteriorated between us again, and I don't understand why, and I really hope that we can patch things up and yes, once that AN/I thread is done, I do hope to take much of the coming months of as much as possible. Sincerely, --]<sup>'']''</sup> 23:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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== Maisonette ==
: Let's lay this out flat. You socked under the account {{ul|Elisabeth Rogan}} while you were vanished. This was so obvious that several editors guessed it independently; more than one checkuser was run on it, and it came up as likely (bearing in mind that checkuser is an inexact science, the degree to which the editing matched your own style makes this either an open and shut case or the greatest WP hoax since EssJay). The original thread, which is the very best place to examine the evidence as it was at the time, is ]. For you to continually and hypocritically pursue editors you are ideologically opposed to for past sockpuppet transgressions while denying this is an indelible mark on your trustworthiness and your creditability. From what I'm led to believe, your were allowed back on following this (which required multiple administrative actions) after making promises (presumably off-wiki) to reform, or at least not to go down the exact same path again. I look at your actions right now (repeated, barely-provoked soapboxing in any venue, vilifying opponents, taking the earliest possible opportunity to poison the well in any editing or ideological dispute, and an utter disregard for advice given you) and see exactly the same editor who burned out and decided to leave six months ago. This is not good news for anyone. Regarding my RfA, I did not expect anything other than an early and strident oppose from you and said so ]. I acted in grace during my RfA because it was the right thing to do. I don't consider RfA to be a back-scratching parlour; since then I've supported BOZ, who didn't support my RfA, and opposed Cyclonenim who did. For what it's worth, I've disengaged almost completely from AfD since then for reasons including those raised in my RfA, so I do take comments to heart. If you would like relations between us to improve, then I would advise you to take the same approach as I would to your re-engaging other editors: stop soapboxing, stop vilifying editors who disagree with you, stop being brazenly disingenuous when it comes to judging the behaviour of others and consider whether your continued denial of your last indef is worth the mistrust it generates from editors in good standing who were there at the time (and there are a lot of them). ] - ] 23:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


Regarding ] -- there had been a discussion at ] resulting in moving the dab page and making the term into a primary topic redirect (which is still in place as a section hatnote at ]. I don't have an opinion as to whether it should be a PT redirect, but you might want to clean up the remaining artifacts (orphan talk page with RM and orphan hatnote). ] ≠ ] 17:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
::You really need to stop mischaracterizing my edits. My limited AfD contributions are nothing like from last year and in all cases since my rename, every ''article'' I argued to delete was deleted and every one I argued to be kept at worst had its edit history undeleted upon deletion review. I have therefore been remarkably successful in that regard, i.e. much more so than last year. I don't villainze editors who disgree with me; I respect many editors who disagree with me. What I do take issue with are editors who mockingly refer to me by anything other than "A Nobody" my current username. If you think I "villainize" anyone it is solely those who have done incivil things like that or who come at me hypocritically, i.e. who tell me not badger when they badger others or who give me guff over arguing to keep when they argue to keep less frequently than I argue to delete. I am willing to be held accountable for my edits, but not to be bullied and anyone can plainly see that those I tend to challenge have indeed done their share of mockingly referring to me by other usernames, etc. Those who don't pull stuff like that, I treat fine and as my starting this thread suggests, I still try to give some editors a chance to reconcile even after they have already done that. Sincerely, --]<sup>'']''</sup> 00:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


::: I did not say ''one single thing'' about your AfD contributions in my last reply. It is telling that the ''very first thing'' you did here was try to poison the well again by making out that this is a dispute over what we argue in AfDs. As for the rest of your reply, it is precisely this kind of boilerplate gainsaying which earns you no favours. I've said my piece. ] - ] 00:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC) : At some point that redirect was undone anyway, but the problem isn't where it formerly redirected so much that the double-N version didn't point to the same place as single-N and both were dabs. I'm not sure what to do with ] to be honest but considering that the entirety of the discussion is about a dead RM I'm not sure it matters really. I've removed the unneeded hatnote. Cheers. ] (]) 17:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, Thumperward. It has been over six months since you last edited the ] submission or ] page you started, "]".
::::I don't get the "boilerplate" as the above is hardly a copy and paste from anywhere, but, anyway look, as with the natural horse thing, I am always receptive to good faith colloboration. My mere hope is that there is no needless escalation and antagonism. I will not refer to you by anything other than your username. Please do the same for me and anyone else. Doing otherwise accomplishes nothing worthwhile. Otherwise, whenever I do return after today's uproars, I hope to resume colloborating with Ricardiana and others on GAs and DYKs. I have no desire to escalate any disputes and so long as people aren't going around badgering my comments or mockingly referring to my old username, I will 1) not refer/reply to their comments in AfDs or RfAs and 2) have no need to start AN/I threads. If people leave me alone, I will be sure not to even create a perception of antagonism of them. If beyond today, anyone escalates things, it will be their doing so, because my goal is to rescue articles that can become DYKs or to help with some GAs. Otherwise, I am tired of the tensions here. Take care. Sincerely, --]<sup>'']''</sup> 00:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


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== ] page-move ==
::Can you revert your edit to show the references again. It's part of leading by good example. ] (]) 12:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


I see for:
::: Done, although I don't particularly see the need to show these refs (as they don't actually pertain to the documentation). ] - ] 12:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
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you moved the page and the talkpage archives (good--lots movers forget those!) but did not move the main talkpage itself (I assume it was blocked by actual content existing on ]. But before you figure out how to fix that, the itself had already been proposed at ] and found not to have consensus (multiple well-reasoned opposes). That's no prejudice from starting a new RM discussion, but in the mean time please undo the move. ] (]) 21:03, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


::::The refs are for completeness to show everybody we can cite. I'm following the discussion about the deletion of external media. There's currently a debate about deep linking. I suggest we write a comment in the documentation that it's a nice thing to contact the administrator of a page we use content from, tell him that we are deep linking and how he can avoid it. ] (]) 16:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC) : I had completely forgotten about that RM (in which I actually participated). The arguments against were appalling, the close was a head-count of idiots, but I'll move it back for now. I fully expect another round of the same, though hopefully a few of the opposes since then have died (the usual way by which progress is made on here). ] (]) 21:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
::I take exception to your hope that I or others who participated in good faith there would die. Please strike that inappropriate comment and reflect on ] so we don't need to go to ANI. ] (]) 22:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


::::: Or, even better, asking that he relicenses his media so that we could host it as free content. ] - ] 16:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC) ::: Editors are permitted leeway on their talk pages, and my expression of hope of an outcome is not an expression of a desire to make it happen. But I mean, cause as much drama as you like. ] (]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
::::::Forget that. People are very possessive. I did a lot of negotiating and the reason I inititated this template was the impossibility to get accurate free license material. ] (]) 15:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


:::: Also lol, Hope that works out for you, in terms of pleading for people to improve their civility. ] (]) 22:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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I noticed your {{tlx|db-move}} and have removed it for now. While ] does say ''avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words'', I would say an ! is in a bit of a grey area, as it does change the way the word is said, in a way. That and the fact that the article has been at ] since 2005, I think it would be wise to get some consensus about the move before it takes place. Happy editing! <span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#888;">~]</span> 09:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


: Astonishing to think that you're under the impression that any reputational damage here will be on me. What a use of your weekend. ] (]) 22:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
: Oh, you mean like the discussion ], from eighteen months ago? It's a housekeeping speedy. It can be easily reversed. Adding new comments to the talk makes it harder for me to do the talk page refactoring that I'd be doing right now were I not having to argue a housekeeping speedy with you. ] - ] 09:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


== December 2023 ==
::Thankyou for linking to the discussion, if a link had been provided sooner (like in or with the CSD tag), I would have been able to complete the move faster; perhaps a suggestion for the future <code>:)</code>. The move has been completed. Happy refactoring! <span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#888;">~]</span> 10:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


You have been indefinitely blocked for openly yearning for the deaths of other Misplaced Pages editors, and engaging in personal attacks against them. This is a collaborative project. You were given opportinities to explain and apologize and instead you doubled down. You did this twice in 2023. This misconduct is utterly unacceptable. Please read the ]. ] (]) 02:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
::: Cheers. ] - ] 10:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


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== Cheers Mate! ==


Furthermore, I apologise for calling other users idiots. ] (]) 02:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)|decline=An apology is good, though I'm skeptical you have totally seen the light in the 13 minutes between your block and this request. I was surprised to learn that you are an administrator, I don't recall ever running into you previously. Maybe you're right that there is some leeway on talk pages, but you were offered a chance to explain, apologize, and withdraw your comments and declined it, I think that used up your leeway. More is expected of administrators than other editors in terms of behavior. I am declining your request. ] (]) 10:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)}}
I would like to ask you if you would like to look and give your opinion on the new Articles for deletion proposal for FreeOrion. I wrote a new version article from scratch and I would like to ask you if you could comment on it FreeOrion and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/FreeOrion (3rd nomination). Thank you nice! ] (]) 17:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:I have AGF and unblocked you. I think this was a stupid comment and there should be low bar for action if further incivility. ] (]) 16:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

:: Yeah, I probably deserved this to be honest. I suppose standards really have changed. Once upon a time I was the one handing out indef civility blocks. ] (]) 16:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Culture change can be hard to spot as it's not as if one day everything changes. However Misplaced Pages is certainly not as playful as in the early days, and much less 'ignore all rules'. As the project has got bigger and higher profile there is much less tolerance for incivility, and adminship has not been 'no big deal' for years now.
:::However I do think blocking an admin is wrong - if you are not trusted to edit the encyclopaedia you should not be trusted to be an admin. ] (]) 16:58, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

:::: I'm not especially happy about a few people's conduct on this one, but this has served as an abundant reminder of why I stopped arguing with people on ANI in the first place. ] (]) 16:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'd advise you to think before you type and avoid comments that could be misconstrued. Always presume people who don't like you are watching. ] (]) 17:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

:::::: Good advice indeed. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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== Endianness: removal of diagram ==

Hi there - I see you recently reorganized ], which it no doubt deserved. Any particular reason for removing ] in the process? I've found it to be a good visualization that - for me, at least - makes it much easier to quickly see which end is which. -- the ] (]) 12:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

: Thanks. There's a discussion on talk re: illustrations - to be honest I would far rather have that image back than the ASCII art table diagrams. Happy enough for it to go back in if that would satisfy all parties. ] (]) 12:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

== REAPER: Question about Advert template addition ==

Hey Thumperward,

I was curious as to why you added the Advert template on the page for ], as I didn't seem to notice any advertising language, besides for:

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I feel like it's fine to remove the Advert template, though I'm new, and I would love to learn if I am missing something. Could you take another look and let me know? <span style="color:#4A90E2">] (])</span> 18:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

: Practically everything in it is sourced solely to the product's own website, which by its very nature is promotional. Merely describing what something ''is'' on here is pointless if it all comes from a product page. It needs substantially reworked to denote its importance through secondary sources, leaning more towards what place it has in the world and less towards what bells and whistles were added in whatever the newest version is. ] (]) 18:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, that makes much more sense. I will work on the article over the next few days, so there can be more secondary sources included. I believe a history might be benefitial as well. <span style="color:#4A90E2">] (])</span> 20:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

== Question about merge of Jonathan B Postel Award page ==

{{u|Thumperward}} - Hello! I have a Misplaced Pages process question. Back in December 2023 you merged a bit of the text from the into ] and made the original article a redirect to the new section. In doing so, you removed the list of past winners. My question is - should there have been a notification that this was going to happen? Or were you just being ]?

I ask because that was a page on my watch list, and I had no idea it had been deleted/redirected until I just went to look at it today. And then I was surprised that I hadn't seen any notice on the Talk page or anywhere else about this change? I'm just wondering if I missed something. Thanks!

I do understand that it wasn't much of a page before, but it seemed similar to some of the other pages found on ], such as "]" and "]". The Postel award article had been edited and updated by a number of editors since it was first created in 2008. (I have not edited the Postel award article myself because of ] as I am employed by the Internet Society, the org behind the award.) - ] (]) 23:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

: Purely an editorial decision to not result in a biography being unduly weighted towards a section with only primary sources. For what it's worth I don't see either of the other examples as being especially strong counterarguments: these are effectively industry awards, of which every industry has thousands, and if Misplaced Pages has more such articles in the realm of computer science and the Internet then it's pretty obviously a result of selection bias with respects to who edits Misplaced Pages. Secondary sources would help in that regard. ] (]) 23:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the explanation of why you didn't include the winners, and I understand that for a biography article. That makes sense.
::I guess I have a larger question, then - why did you merge/redirect the award article? It is similar to those other awards in that it is an industry award given by an organization in the Internet space, that just happens to be named for Jon Postel. - ] (]) 23:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

::: As I said: it was a stub article which was exclusively primary sourced, and industry awards are a dime a dozen. They need to independently demonstrate notability. Misplaced Pages is more likely to have articles on awards within the computer science and Internet industries than, say, the dishwasher industry (which I am sure also has plenty of awards named after the luminaries of dishwasher history) because of the main demographic likely to edit Misplaced Pages articles. If the most notable thing about an award is who it's named after, then it makes sense to merge it to the article on that person as it reflects more on the notability of the person it was named after than the other way around. I'd argue to same could apply to the other two examples you gave. No prejudice on a re-split if and when the requisite secondary sources are retrieved. ] (]) 08:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks. That is useful feedback. - ] (]) 15:46, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

::::: No problem. Just to reiterate, I'm happy for this to be split back out again in the event that secondary sources are added to establish its independent notability. ] (]) 07:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

== ] ==

I'll reiterate that I'm not interested in rehashing any of this but in case it is unclear where I stand WRT your editing pattern of systematically removing what I would consider uncontroversial unsourced material, ] some previous discussion with another editor who practiced this pattern of editing. ~] (]) 21:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

: That's an absolutely remarkable thread and I'm glad you brought it to my attention. You turn up on someone's talk page to argue a bunch of absolutely incorrect things about our citation standards, and every single person who replies (including two long-term admins) comprehensively schools you on it. That was in 2022. If we're talking about systematic editing patterns, that's good evidence that your recent tendency to start a discussion only to completely ignore every reply that you don't agree with is not new.

: Anyway, for the sake of not misleading anyone who sees this and takes your assertions at face value: the day that I started the discussion on ] which has apparently drawn your ire I also made to ], restoring material which had been removed as unsourced (despite being trivially correct, and therefore not really needing ''verification'') because its removal unbalanced the article. Discerning the difference between doing that and what's happening at the packaging article is left as an exercise to the reader. ] (]) 07:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
::Weird take. Did you read the whole thing? They kept asking me to explain how I justify objecting to this pattern and when I finally did, comprehensively, the argument abruptly ended without comment and the editing behavior stopped. ~] (]) 15:11, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
::Parallel to your example, if you look at my editing associated with ], you'll see that I'm most frequently removing unsourced tangential stuff. ~] (]) 15:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

::: So it's okay for you to remove unsourced trivia from articles, but when others do it it's malfeasance?

::: I don't think anything is being accomplished here. ] (]) 15:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
::::OK, it was worth a try. ~] (]) 15:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

== About The ELF Format ==

I appreciate your efforts on ] to make it more focused but you have cut the valuable parts from it. Please put them in a collapsable box inside the page or in a new article.

Regards. ] (]) 19:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

: Collapsible boxes aren't an option for article content. As discussed on talk, this was by-and-large a poor paraphrasing of the technical documentation. I have no objection whatsoever to it being expanded again in a manner more befitting a general-purpose encyclopedia, including the potential return of deleted content, but it's not being put back in as-is and as a separate article would be even less appropriate (shorn as it would be of ''all'' of the general-purpose content). ] (]) 20:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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You removed a large, (in my opinion, essential) part of the article. <s>I think this was a honest mistake since the edit note seems to indicate it was done because of a misunderstanding.</s>

The specifics of how a ] works are essential to that encoding's article, but not to ] for example. <s>To me it seems like you thought you were removing the sections from that, or another more broad article instead of (in comparison the very narrow-in-scope) article ], which warrants having these technical elements too.</s> (I no longer think you mistook the article, but that you had a disagreement on the design an presentation style with how the section was laid out. I however still think that some of the information was a the same time essential to the article, and would be very cumbersome when rewritten to a written/spoken word style. Some data, I think, should be presented in easy to read tables, like the you deleted from it. I would very much like to discuss this as I think the table was the single most important piece of information on the article with no feasible way of replacing it in plain English like what I now interpret you wanting to be done.

You also made following that one, I have the same main issue with it, it should have been handled with a rewrite (or a note requesting that), and now some of the information is just gone instead. Here's the version difference including both edits<s> I think were made by mistake</s>:

The removes all font colouring from a section, I also see issues with this approach and I would like to discuss those as well.

I more extensively wrote about all of these topics on the affected section at in UTF-8's talk page. Hope to see you there! ] (]) 05:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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I attempted to fix the behaviour that when the signature was hovered over, only the very last part of the topic was highlighted. I only made it visible as a last-ditch effort after I couldn't get it to fix the misleading highlight. This made it ugly and non-conformant.
<br><small>The topic became unexpectedly long as I gradually found more problems and did numerous small rewrites to reduce ambiguity as much as I could (and it seems I still failed at this quite horribly). Had I managed to notice the length becoming an issue before receiving any comments, I think I should have split the whole topic instead and this would've gotten rid of the highlight issue as well.</small> ] (]) 17:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

: Apology accepted. Now, let's try to work as slowly and carefully through the current dispute as possible, finding common ground where we can. ] (]) 04:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, I wrote ] to your first reply there, three days ago at the time of writing.
::I rewrote and further shortened parts of the topic and my last comment today by merging and/or linking to the relevant parts in existing text and by collapsing the less important stuff away. The whole thing should be a bit nicer to read now. ] (]) 15:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

::: Thanks. Apologies, but I've been extremely busy IRL of late and so it might take some time to respond to this. ] (]) 16:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Thumperward! I see that you did some extensive work over at Buck converter last year. As I know zilch about that subject, could you please check out this recent edit. Cheers! Technopat (talk) 10:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

That IP edit is simple vandalism. I think the following edit (other than the inadvertent italic text) was probably okay in intent, though it was loquatious and didn't really improve the text. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:32, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for your tireless work! Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 17:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Maisonette

Regarding Maisonette -- there had been a discussion at Talk:Maisonette (disambiguation) resulting in moving the dab page and making the term into a primary topic redirect (which is still in place as a section hatnote at Apartment#Maisonette. I don't have an opinion as to whether it should be a PT redirect, but you might want to clean up the remaining artifacts (orphan talk page with RM and orphan hatnote). older ≠ wiser 17:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

At some point that redirect was undone anyway, but the problem isn't where it formerly redirected so much that the double-N version didn't point to the same place as single-N and both were dabs. I'm not sure what to do with Talk:Maisonette (disambiguation) to be honest but considering that the entirety of the discussion is about a dead RM I'm not sure it matters really. I've removed the unneeded hatnote. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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Water fuel cell page-move

I see for: Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell → Water fuel cell you moved the page and the talkpage archives (good--lots movers forget those!) but did not move the main talkpage itself (I assume it was blocked by actual content existing on Talk:Water fuel cell. But before you figure out how to fix that, the itself had already been proposed at Talk:Water_fuel_cell/Archive_6#Requested_move and found not to have consensus (multiple well-reasoned opposes). That's no prejudice from starting a new RM discussion, but in the mean time please undo the move. DMacks (talk) 21:03, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I had completely forgotten about that RM (in which I actually participated). The arguments against were appalling, the close was a head-count of idiots, but I'll move it back for now. I fully expect another round of the same, though hopefully a few of the opposes since then have died (the usual way by which progress is made on here). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 21:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
I take exception to your hope that I or others who participated in good faith there would die. Please strike that inappropriate comment and reflect on WP:CIVIL so we don't need to go to ANI. DMacks (talk) 22:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Editors are permitted leeway on their talk pages, and my expression of hope of an outcome is not an expression of a desire to make it happen. But I mean, cause as much drama as you like. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Also lol, you're talking about this behind my back? Hope that works out for you, in terms of pleading for people to improve their civility. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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Astonishing to think that you're under the impression that any reputational damage here will be on me. What a use of your weekend. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023

You have been indefinitely blocked for openly yearning for the deaths of other Misplaced Pages editors, and engaging in personal attacks against them. This is a collaborative project. You were given opportinities to explain and apologize and instead you doubled down. You did this twice in 2023. This misconduct is utterly unacceptable. Please read the Guide to appealing blocks. Cullen328 (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I apologise for my professed desire that editors with whom I historically disagreed to have died. I realise that this is not in the spirit of collaborative editing.

Furthermore, I apologise for calling other users idiots. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 02:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Decline reason:

An apology is good, though I'm skeptical you have totally seen the light in the 13 minutes between your block and this request. I was surprised to learn that you are an administrator, I don't recall ever running into you previously. Maybe you're right that there is some leeway on talk pages, but you were offered a chance to explain, apologize, and withdraw your comments and declined it, I think that used up your leeway. More is expected of administrators than other editors in terms of behavior. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 10:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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I have AGF and unblocked you. I think this was a stupid comment and there should be low bar for action if further incivility. Secretlondon (talk) 16:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I probably deserved this to be honest. I suppose standards really have changed. Once upon a time I was the one handing out indef civility blocks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Culture change can be hard to spot as it's not as if one day everything changes. However Misplaced Pages is certainly not as playful as in the early days, and much less 'ignore all rules'. As the project has got bigger and higher profile there is much less tolerance for incivility, and adminship has not been 'no big deal' for years now.
However I do think blocking an admin is wrong - if you are not trusted to edit the encyclopaedia you should not be trusted to be an admin. Secretlondon (talk) 16:58, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm not especially happy about a few people's conduct on this one, but this has served as an abundant reminder of why I stopped arguing with people on ANI in the first place. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
I'd advise you to think before you type and avoid comments that could be misconstrued. Always presume people who don't like you are watching. Secretlondon (talk) 17:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Good advice indeed. Thanks again. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Endianness: removal of diagram

Hi there - I see you recently reorganized Endianness, which it no doubt deserved. Any particular reason for removing File:32bit-Endianess.svg in the process? I've found it to be a good visualization that - for me, at least - makes it much easier to quickly see which end is which. -- the Barometz (talk) 12:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. There's a discussion on talk re: illustrations - to be honest I would far rather have that image back than the ASCII art table diagrams. Happy enough for it to go back in if that would satisfy all parties. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

REAPER: Question about Advert template addition

Hey Thumperward,

I was curious as to why you added the Advert template on the page for REAPER, as I didn't seem to notice any advertising language, besides for:

Extensive customization opportunities are provided through the use of ReaScript (edit, run and debug scripts within REAPER) and user-created themes and functionality extensions.

I feel like it's fine to remove the Advert template, though I'm new, and I would love to learn if I am missing something. Could you take another look and let me know? OnlyNano (talk) 18:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Practically everything in it is sourced solely to the product's own website, which by its very nature is promotional. Merely describing what something is on here is pointless if it all comes from a product page. It needs substantially reworked to denote its importance through secondary sources, leaning more towards what place it has in the world and less towards what bells and whistles were added in whatever the newest version is. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, that makes much more sense. I will work on the article over the next few days, so there can be more secondary sources included. I believe a history might be benefitial as well. OnlyNano (talk) 20:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about merge of Jonathan B Postel Award page

Thumperward - Hello! I have a Misplaced Pages process question. Back in December 2023 you merged a bit of the text from the Jonathan B. Postel Service Award (archived version) into Jon Postel#Legacy and made the original article a redirect to the new section. In doing so, you removed the list of past winners. My question is - should there have been a notification that this was going to happen? Or were you just being WP:BOLD?

I ask because that was a page on my watch list, and I had no idea it had been deleted/redirected until I just went to look at it today. And then I was surprised that I hadn't seen any notice on the Talk page or anywhere else about this change? I'm just wondering if I missed something. Thanks!

I do understand that it wasn't much of a page before, but it seemed similar to some of the other pages found on List of computer science awards, such as "Alan D. Berenbaum Distinguished Service Award" and "SIGMOD Edgar F. Codd Innovations Award". The Postel award article had been edited and updated by a number of editors since it was first created in 2008. (I have not edited the Postel award article myself because of WP:COI as I am employed by the Internet Society, the org behind the award.) - Dyork (talk) 23:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Purely an editorial decision to not result in a biography being unduly weighted towards a section with only primary sources. For what it's worth I don't see either of the other examples as being especially strong counterarguments: these are effectively industry awards, of which every industry has thousands, and if Misplaced Pages has more such articles in the realm of computer science and the Internet then it's pretty obviously a result of selection bias with respects to who edits Misplaced Pages. Secondary sources would help in that regard. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation of why you didn't include the winners, and I understand that for a biography article. That makes sense.
I guess I have a larger question, then - why did you merge/redirect the award article? It is similar to those other awards in that it is an industry award given by an organization in the Internet space, that just happens to be named for Jon Postel. - Dyork (talk) 23:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
As I said: it was a stub article which was exclusively primary sourced, and industry awards are a dime a dozen. They need to independently demonstrate notability. Misplaced Pages is more likely to have articles on awards within the computer science and Internet industries than, say, the dishwasher industry (which I am sure also has plenty of awards named after the luminaries of dishwasher history) because of the main demographic likely to edit Misplaced Pages articles. If the most notable thing about an award is who it's named after, then it makes sense to merge it to the article on that person as it reflects more on the notability of the person it was named after than the other way around. I'd argue to same could apply to the other two examples you gave. No prejudice on a re-split if and when the requisite secondary sources are retrieved. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. That is useful feedback. - Dyork (talk) 15:46, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
No problem. Just to reiterate, I'm happy for this to be split back out again in the event that secondary sources are added to establish its independent notability. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN

I'll reiterate that I'm not interested in rehashing any of this but in case it is unclear where I stand WRT your editing pattern of systematically removing what I would consider uncontroversial unsourced material, here's some previous discussion with another editor who practiced this pattern of editing. ~Kvng (talk) 21:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

That's an absolutely remarkable thread and I'm glad you brought it to my attention. You turn up on someone's talk page to argue a bunch of absolutely incorrect things about our citation standards, and every single person who replies (including two long-term admins) comprehensively schools you on it. That was in 2022. If we're talking about systematic editing patterns, that's good evidence that your recent tendency to start a discussion only to completely ignore every reply that you don't agree with is not new.
Anyway, for the sake of not misleading anyone who sees this and takes your assertions at face value: the day that I started the discussion on optical disc packaging which has apparently drawn your ire I also made this edit to Pete Postlethwaite, restoring material which had been removed as unsourced (despite being trivially correct, and therefore not really needing verification) because its removal unbalanced the article. Discerning the difference between doing that and what's happening at the packaging article is left as an exercise to the reader. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Weird take. Did you read the whole thing? They kept asking me to explain how I justify objecting to this pattern and when I finally did, comprehensively, the argument abruptly ended without comment and the editing behavior stopped. ~Kvng (talk) 15:11, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Parallel to your example, if you look at my editing associated with User:Kvng/RTH, you'll see that I'm most frequently removing unsourced tangential stuff. ~Kvng (talk) 15:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
So it's okay for you to remove unsourced trivia from articles, but when others do it it's malfeasance?
I don't think anything is being accomplished here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
OK, it was worth a try. ~Kvng (talk) 15:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

About The ELF Format

I appreciate your efforts on ELF format article to make it more focused but you have cut the valuable parts from it. Please put them in a collapsable box inside the page or in a new article.

Regards. 88.238.58.190 (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Collapsible boxes aren't an option for article content. As discussed on talk, this was by-and-large a poor paraphrasing of the technical documentation. I have no objection whatsoever to it being expanded again in a manner more befitting a general-purpose encyclopedia, including the potential return of deleted content, but it's not being put back in as-is and as a separate article would be even less appropriate (shorn as it would be of all of the general-purpose content). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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I think you made a mistake in your edit to UTF-8#Encoding

(The section was later renamed to UTF-8#Description in this edit.)

You removed a large, (in my opinion, essential) part of the article. I think this was a honest mistake since the edit note seems to indicate it was done because of a misunderstanding.

The specifics of how a character encoding works are essential to that encoding's article, but not to Unicode for example. To me it seems like you thought you were removing the sections from that, or another more broad article instead of (in comparison the very narrow-in-scope) article UTF-8, which warrants having these technical elements too. (I no longer think you mistook the article, but that you had a disagreement on the design an presentation style with how the section was laid out. I however still think that some of the information was a the same time essential to the article, and would be very cumbersome when rewritten to a written/spoken word style. Some data, I think, should be presented in easy to read tables, like the codepage layout (old revision) you deleted from it. I would very much like to discuss this as I think the table was the single most important piece of information on the article with no feasible way of replacing it in plain English like what I now interpret you wanting to be done.

You also made another edit following that one, I have the same main issue with it, it should have been handled with a rewrite (or a note requesting that), and now some of the information is just gone instead. Here's the version difference including both edits I think were made by mistake:

The third edit removes all font colouring from a section, I also see issues with this approach and I would like to discuss those as well.

I more extensively wrote about all of these topics on the affected section at this topic in UTF-8's talk page. Hope to see you there! Mossymountain (talk) 05:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for that border

I attempted to fix the behaviour that when the signature was hovered over, only the very last part of the topic was highlighted. I only made it visible as a last-ditch effort after I couldn't get it to fix the misleading highlight. This made it ugly and non-conformant.
The topic became unexpectedly long as I gradually found more problems and did numerous small rewrites to reduce ambiguity as much as I could (and it seems I still failed at this quite horribly). Had I managed to notice the length becoming an issue before receiving any comments, I think I should have split the whole topic instead and this would've gotten rid of the highlight issue as well. Mossymountain (talk) 17:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Apology accepted. Now, let's try to work as slowly and carefully through the current dispute as possible, finding common ground where we can. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 04:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I wrote this reply to your first reply there, three days ago at the time of writing.
I rewrote and further shortened parts of the topic and my last comment today by merging and/or linking to the relevant parts in existing text and by collapsing the less important stuff away. The whole thing should be a bit nicer to read now. Mossymountain (talk) 15:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Apologies, but I've been extremely busy IRL of late and so it might take some time to respond to this. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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