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| Sorry to annoy you once more, but could you check out ? Part of the FUR says "It is of much lower resolution than the original" which is confusing considering the size. Also, the source seems to be a book published in Bulgaria in 1941, which wouldn't be a reliable source, would it? Thanks in advance, ''']]''' | |||
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| Thanks for the post in my talk page. I agree, besides, letting them talk is more damaging to their cause than me presenting evidence (see for example the last "evidence" provided by the new poster). In the talk page I tried to focus on the evidence they provided, I pointed out that a quote from the policy that the guy presented as evidence and based his argumentation on it was not actually a quote, it was a liberal interpretation of the policy presented as a quote. ] 18:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| It has been that over 90% of the Greeks don't accept the name of Macedonia. This claim was made by somebody who supports the Greek cause (not by me or some other "anti-Greek" as I was labeled). Nobody seems to deny the prevalence of that opinion in the Greek population, however they want us to believe that they don't have a COI when it comes to deciding the content and then they vote en masse against the name of "Macedonia" or even against the use of "Republic of Macedonia" form on ] page and ] shows. To me that's the key problem here, it's not necessary the content problem that bothers me (although there are clear policies and guidelines that ChrisO has detailed), it's the claim that there's no COI when it comes to content decision and the potential bad implications for Misplaced Pages when nationals team to preserve their POV. | |||
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| ::So... is this something that I need to mention, or it's not a good idea since it might upset the commission members (although it's the plain truth)? Never been in such a case and don't know how it works and what makes ArbCom tick... I will wait for your feedback. ] 19:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :::If I might make a suggestion, it would be '''very''' useful to gather diffs to identify explicitly political arguments by our Greek editors. Plenty of such arguments have been made, it's just a matter of digging them up from the various talk pages. -- ] (]) 20:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">] (]) 19:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC) </bdi> | |||
| You mind want to see my ARBCOM evidence page for a second link from the same blog you mentioned that is already in English. It would be good to ARBCOM if someone could provide ARBCOM with a translation for the .mk television link in my evidence page, if anyone has any. Lobbying from a TV station is very powerful too. ] (]) 11:28, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :I don't have time for a full translation (ask PMK1 or MatriX if you badly want one) but it's not lobbying or trying to convince any Macedonians to go and do something, it's simply reporting the state of affairs - if you type in "Macedonia" you end up at an article about the country. It also mentions how the Greek internet users, who it describes as having lost, "comment that the Skopjans succeeded through debate in changing the appellation of the country from FYROM to Republic of Macedonia, and even to obtain, on the official page in which Greece is represented, for the northern neighbour to be mentioned as the Republic of Macedonia" (the quoted is a translation of the last sentence). ''']]''' 12:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ::That sounds like a propaganda.--] 12:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :::What, the comments of the Greek internet users or the Macedonian description of the comments of the Greek internet users? ''']]''' 13:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::Would you direct me to access free Macedonian-English translation tool or engine? Well, I'm bemused at the current situation that tries to make only one side ''evil'' while the news channel broadcasted the incident in Wiki. Which one is more powerful, a blog or a news media?--] 13:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::: I don't think there is any - I once tried to participate in something over at mk-wiki and only found an online dictionary, not a translator. As for the difference between the two types of media echos here, the point is clear: the Macedonian report is just that, a report. It's funny that they are taking their naming situation so desperately serious they would find us important enough to report on, but that's about as far as it goes. The Greek blogs are radically different: they don't just report, they urge readers to put pressure on us. To the extent this is coming from inside Misplaced Pages, that's clearly disruptive misbehaviour. ] ] 13:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::Of course, the report has the general vibe of supporting Macedonia, but what else could we honestly expect? And as PMK1 said somewhere, it must be a slow week for actual news. Still no progress on Macedonian-English machine translation, unfortunately... ''']]''' 14:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::::Thanks, Fut.Perf. Bulgarian-English tool does not work for me (some recommended to use it because Bulgarian and Macedonian have mutual intelligibility) The already-registered-account-only motion seems to be reasonable and should be applied to all involved side in the muddy situation.--] 14:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::::You could try Serbian-English too, but in general the results from either of them are sub-par. ''']]''' 14:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| I am happy to help with any translation that you require/are interested in. Ever since the election the only news has been electoral rigging. :) Caspian Blue, Bulgarian and Macedonian ≠ Same, besides, the alphabets make direct translation impossible. You could have tried a transliteration into latin and the into Bulgarian cyrillic? ] (]) 14:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :Hmm.. thanks but the suggested way did not work either. I know Bulgarian and Macedonian are different language(the "mutual intelligibility" does not mean "same") I'm just a curious observer on this issue, so if I need some translation from Macedonian contents, I can rely on your help. :) --] 17:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, contact me on my talk page. If I have enough time i will be happy to help. ] (]) 00:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| You know, half of your arguments about the Greeks can be substituted with "Ireland", "Kosovo", "Palestinian", "Chinese", et cetera and still make sense. Really, the Macedonians and the Greeks aren't better than any other. Although personally, I think that the move to Macedonia was silly because it goes against the precedent of the region taking the undisambiguated name, and the page really should've stayed at the old title. Then again, these naming disputes often get out of hand. I think all Chris needs is a slap on the wrist to be more careful next time, and that a taskforce be created to sort out the naming problems (as it did work somewhat for Ireland and Eastern Europe) ''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 18:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| If I come across one of their additions to RSN would it be helpful if I pinged you? -- <small>LCU</small> ''']''' <small>''«]» °]°''</small> 20:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Map of Slavophones in Macedonia == | |||
| : Thanks, but I guess it's enough to get them reverted promptly – if they then start revert-warring it back in, there should be enough admin eyeballs on that page to push the block button eventually, right? It doesn't have to be always me. That person is a pest (I suppose you're familiar with their ]?), thanks for helping deal with them. ] ] 23:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I looked it up after their recent posts, I'll keep an eye out for them. -- <small>LCU</small> ''']''' <small>''«]» °]°''</small> 23:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| : You have already found the discussion page for that image, so please read it (and the other discussions referred to from there.) This has been discussed by many people, most of whom unfortunately do not grasp the topic of the map. I'll quote myself, for the 20th time, probably: "This isn't about "majorities". It's a dialect map, not a demographic map. Showing some place in a certain color doesn't mean that place is inhabited by a Slavic majority; it only means that whatever Slavic dialects are there (or were there), share some distinctive structural features with those of other places shown in the same colour. How many or how few speakers are there, or indeed whether any such speakers are left at all now, is immaterial. The presence of other languages (such as the majority presence of Greek) is outside the scope of such a map. " | |||
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