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== Misplaced Pages's strength ==

Everyone has a reason of their own why everything under the sun here either is amazing or sucks, but ] sums up for me the strength of what a Web 2.0 creature can be. 15,000+ news sources last time I looked on Google News, and 99% of the key bits in one place updated almost real time. <font color="0D670D" face="Georgia, Helvetica">]</font> (<font color="#156917">]</font>)(<font color="#156917">]</font>) 18:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:And even a sub-article ]. In the 21st century we expect our encyclopedias and information in real time but as long as wikipedia creates quality like this it will remain the best encyclopedia, which makes it worth volunteering for. Thanks, ] 19:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

::I absolutely agree! I already read it this morning and made a bookmark so that I can refer to it daily (or perhaps more often) to keep up with this breaking story.--] (]) 19:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::As I have said before, '''we do this for our children, and our children's children'''. Let the naysayers and decent crtics have their place, but let us also reflect that our positive work should not be deflected by unproductive criticism and hatred, and that we should feel proud of what has been acomplished so far - even if there is still much to do. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 19:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::]. >.> <font color="0D670D" face="Georgia, Helvetica">]</font> (<font color="#156917">]</font>)(<font color="#156917">]</font>) 20:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::], ]. ] ] ]... –''']'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] 22:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::Tsk, amateur. You left you off the ] to global overpopulation. <font color="0D670D" face="Georgia, Helvetica">]</font> (<font color="#156917">]</font>)(<font color="#156917">]</font>) 23:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

But what is Misplaced Pages's ''weakness''? Stairs? --], ] 19:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Our various and numerous weaknesses are our opportunity to build strengths. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 19:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
: {{ec}}There is a strange similarity between wikipedia, some editors, and ]s. For a real answer, sometimes overly fawning coverage of quackery and pseudoscience is my own bugbear. ] <small>]</small> 19:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::Daleks eh? --&nbsp;''']''' <sup>(<font color="green">]</font>)</sup> 20:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::: If only the Daleks article was the worst article in the project, then this might be funny :) ] <small>]</small> 20:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Don't know about "our children, and our children's children", I edit to build a strong encyclopedia now. Thanks, ] 20:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:Stair climbers. <font color="0D670D" face="Georgia, Helvetica">]</font> (<font color="#156917">]</font>)(<font color="#156917">]</font>) 20:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::Search for "Professor X had one weakness!" on YTMND if you want to see what my post was about. --], ] 20:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Wikipeda's weakness: Damn <s>good</s> articles! ] <small>]</small> 20:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::What the hell. ] in the best of ]. :)] (]) 20:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Surely our weakness is in our factual errors, everyone says wikipedia contains fantastic information but treat any particular fact with a pinch of salt. Improving our mistake ratio is surely the best way to further strengthen the project. Thanks, ] 17:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Respectfully disagree. Misplaced Pages is as reliable, or as unreliable, as Britannica, or any other print encyclopedia, because it's written by human beings. Indeed, I wouldn't trust anything I read without verification. –''']'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] 14:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::: I've changed my opinion above slightly. ] <small>]</small> 14:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::: I think you'll find this essay I found on the net of relevance] (]) 21:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Interesting, thanks for the link. –''']'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] 01:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It's easy to list Misplaced Pages's strengths, they are obvious. And it's pretty plain to see that generally its weaknesses are derivative of its strengths. One weakness that I might bring to attention that is not often discussed is one of the editor (or administrator) taking on the task of "protecting" Misplaced Pages from various people, forces or ideas he percieves to be unsuitable or undesirable. The moment an editor strays from contributor to self-styled sentinel and guardian, it's my opinion he begins to do the project nearly as much harm as he does good. ] (]) 19:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
::I agree. Misplaced Pages's principal strength is the contribution from editors of varying nationalities, ethnicities, occupations, political and cultural persuasions. As soon as an administrator decides to clamp down on an idea or person which he/she feels is not part of the Misplaced Pages status quo, Misplaced Pages's original concept of ''open editing'' fails.--] (]) 08:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== About the Macedonia case and ethnic profiling of (possibly) Greek editors ==

Greetings,

Firstly congratulations on this great project, Misplaced Pages.

I would like to know if you have any opinion on the ] articles situation, one of the longest standing Misplaced Pages debates. The relevant discussion I'm talking about is ]. Of course I will wait for you to express that opinion without influencing the arbitration if that is not your wish.

The really important thing, I wanted to inform you that came up, is the danger of having or maintaining ''any kind'' of lists of Misplaced Pages editors (lists of Greek editors, list of editors that support nationalists, or whatever else) inside the wiki. I won't link to any specific list here of the ones that have emerged, there are detailed arguments on the above arbitration. I just wanted to say that such ] list-making practices should not be tolerated even if they are temporary or only for displaying obvious ] arguments about specific subjects. ] should not be treated with indifference and all complaints that it has occurred by an administrator of Misplaced Pages should be listened to. Note that the previously good reputation of Misplaced Pages is being right now damaged inside Greece, one Greek blog going as far as to call it "".

In my opinion it is of outmost importance to keep the ethics and the principles in your user page. '''Cabal administrators that can move one move-protected article while still keeping it move-protected''' should not be endorsed. Especially when they go against a 5-year old ]. As a new editor I have been accused of many things, called stupid, intimidated, or even been included as part of a group, with speculations of my ethnicity, by established administrators of Misplaced Pages. I'm sorry to say that I didn't expect this welcome. Misplaced Pages is practically showing me the door, that's why I wrote to you personally.


Thank you very much

] (]) 19:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: "I am a ]" just like

:Is it needed that Jimbo gets involved here? I truly don't see the point, what can 1 person say that has not been said before ? To quote Ixfd64: "This isn't just a Misplaced Pages dispute; it's an ]. Since this conflict has been around for over a century, I doubt the Misplaced Pages counterpart will be resolved very soon." —] (] • ]) 14:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== your userpage ==

hi jimbo do you have a problem if i use your userpage templates ] 02:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Just copy the code (this is valid for all templates). :) -- ] (]) 09:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

== Would you like to sign my user page? ==

My Lord. Please sign my book of names with your glorious scribble. Yours ever, ]. --<font color="Green">'''''How may I serve you?'''''</font> ] 01:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::If you wish Jimbo, feel free to sign mine two. :) '''] ('''<small><font color="cadetblue">]</font> <font color="cadetblue">]</font></small>''')<sup> ]</sup>''' 13:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== ] ==

Just want to ask, shouldn't we mention something about the ] on the ]? And have an image of the countries affected by it too? I've got the image on my userpage, but since its a serious world-wide issue, I think it should be on the main page; just until its over. '''] ('''<small><font color="cadetblue">]</font> <font color="cadetblue">]</font></small>''')<sup> ]</sup>''' 13:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:Put your suggestion at ]. Thanks, ] 14:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::Or ]. –''']'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] 14:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Centrifugal Force ==

Jimbo, Since you are the last word as regards all disputes on wikipedia, I would be grateful if you could monitor the centrifugal force pages. There has been a dispute on those pages for over two years. The reason for the dispute has been that I have been trying to insert a perfectly legitimate perspective on that topic. That perspective is fully sourced, but unfortunately I didn't find the sources until recently. When I started trying to fix up that page in early 2008 I was doing so from memory of my old applied maths notes of 1979. There is a perspective on centrifugal force in which the centrifugal force is an outward inverse cube law force that is totally independent of the inward centripetal force. An equation which includes both the inward inverse square law force of gravity and the outward inverse cube law centrifugal force is used in modern textbooks (such as Goldstein's Classical mechanics) to solve the planetary orbital problem. It is a second order differential equation which solves to either a hyperbola, a parabola, or an ellipse. This perspective can be traced back to Leibniz in the 17th century. (the interesting thing about this perspective is that planetary orbital stability can be accounted for by the two different power laws. Hence the planets don't collapse into the Sun if they are disturbed from their orbits)

I have been trying to get this perspective recognized on the article but to no avail. At first, they tried to tell me that it was my own original research. Eventually I got blocked, and at one time I got blocked permanently. Administrator Antandrus realized that I was genuinely trying to help the article and he unblocked me after repeated requests by myself. But I made a pledge to Antandrus that I wouldn't engage in any more edit wars. I intend to keep to that pledge. However, I have recently uncovered some sources. Some of these sources are sterling quality. I made some edits yesterday using one such source but they were immediately erased by user dicklyon. Dicklyon insinuated that Leibniz didn't understand classical mecahnics and dicklyon also totally ignored Goldstein when making that statement. I would be most grateful if you could check the whole matter out. I do not intend to have an edit war. If you genuinely want to have a single and concise unified article on centrifugal force with a balanced treatment of all perspectives, then you need to do something about a certain group of editors who are continually deleting anything which I put on the centrifugal force pages.

I look forward to hearing from you. ] (]) 11:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


== Seasonal greetings :) ==
:Since I'm not qualified to say anything about the underlying content issue, and since I've not monitored the dispute, I'm not really in a position to say anything specific about it. However, from your description, what I would recommend is that you raise the issue on the talk page and that you asked for more eyes on the situation. Probably asking the folks at ] will be helpful.--] (]) 16:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


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Jimbo, Thanks for the reply and thanks for the suggestions. But my experience in the last two years has been that there is absolutely nobody who edits on that page who wants to openly acknowledge the existence of the Leibniz approach to centrifugal force. I'll walk away from the topic for a while, and I'll return again only if I see the involvement of somebody else who knows what they are talking about. It's hard to exactly pin down the reason why there is so much resistance to acknowledging the Leibniz approach. When I did physics at university, they taught us that centrifugal force doesn't exist. The lecturer drew a circle on the board and indicated how the centripetal force caused the circular path and how it is the only force acting. However, over in the applied maths department the next year, I was introduced to the Leibniz approach which showed how centrifugal force and gravity work together in tandem to yield elliptical, hyperbolic, and parabolic orbits, according to their relative magnitudes at a given radial distance. The next year, I did the course on rotating frames of reference in which the centrifugal force is a fictitious force that is only observed from rotating frames of reference.
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When I saw the wiki article two years ago, I tried to introduce the Leibniz approach (I didn't know then that it actually was the Leibniz approach) to clear up all the confusion, as the existing article was totally confused. I encountered strenuous resistance from editors whose knowledge of the topic was generally limited to simple circular motion scenarios. This year, I finally reached the stage where the existence of the Leibniz approach has finally been acknowledged, but editor dicklyon is trying to mask it out by claiming that it is just the same as the rotating frames of reference approach. See how he removed it today from the disambiguation page. And it most certainly isn't the same as the rotating frames/fictitious approach. It would seem that when students learn the topic of centrifugal force from the rotating frames of reference perspective, that they dig into it, and they will forever refuse to acknowledge that any other approach exists. Once they've been taught that centrifugal force is fictitious, that's it. Neither sources nor rational argument will ever persuade them otherwise.] (]) 00:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc. ==
== Hi ==
Hi, sorry for bother you, i know you always have a lot to do, but i need help, im searching for justice.
In wikipedia spanish, I have contributed very well for more than 2 month, at first i without knowing did copyvio, but they told me what to do, and i was doing it the best i could, as i always try to do.
However, since a few days ago, i have had a few problems: a user named amadis: http://es.wikipedia.org/Usuario:Amad%C3%ADs ; have been erasing my contributions, saying: "you only do copyvio, just put cites of the press or the radio, o references from the radio". the second part is true:i have a pentium III-im from peru- and i go to the university so i have no time, and also my computer doesnt support well the press-webs because its to heavy for my 56 of memory.So i have to go with somre review of press of RFI: http://www.rfi.fr/actues/articles/113/article_11794.asp; because theyre a different news that i copy to wordpad, make a resume, and edit to wikipedia, and also I say what the newspaper says as i have seen before. And I dont do anymore copyvio, it wasnt my intention, i was copying a lots of sentences from article of WSJ, and I didnt referenced it well but they told me how and i do it now! But Amadis says i that its not enough, but once a Gons make a edi1t of an edit i did so i copy her the way she reference the article as you can see here: http://es.wikipedia.org/search/?title=The_New_York_Times&diff=25237585&oldid=25228150; its very similar to my last contribution: http://es.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Citigroup&diff=26076641&oldid=26072650 and i didnt do copyvio, and instead of helping me or go and look that he is right, he just say "momoelf is suspicious for copyvio" and erase it at once, and also say that that is a press review what is false its a new of WSJ like people do in a lot of wikipedia article. I told the library Lucien: http://es.wikipedia.org/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Lucien_leGrey#Hola_lucien but he didnt give me and answer, so i dont know what to do, i have proof of what im saying, ive been doing the same as i have seen, i just want to contributed but they erase everything i do, plz help this are my contribution: http://es.wikipedia.org/Especial:Contribuciones/Momoelf; i havent vandalized instead i have created article always with references, i do sometimes only a few lines, because i think that little by little things go bigger and i dont have a lot of time also. Plz if im doing something wrong tell me and i wont repeat it, i always ask and nobody answer me i have a lot of proofs about that. Here is the user, http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Lucien_leGrey ; nobody dare to answer anything, they didnt give me any proof the way i do it, they just say you are banned you are banned you dont deserve any explanations.


Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to {{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old2}} with ], so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "{{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old}}" was ]. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see ]! I hope this is all OK with you.
I just want to contribute, i feel useful when im making wikipedia better plz answer me--] (]) 17:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So ] is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the ], a ] about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a ] of ] on ]! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon ] (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but ].
This user has now been blocked indefinitely. ] (]) 19:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


As noted in various places like ], your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). ] (]) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
The user has received 4 blocks. 1 for violating the etiquette rule, 1 for trolling, and 2 for block evasion, the last one being indef. ] (]) 19:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


:Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. ] (]) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Thank you very much! ==
::No worries. My Christmas gifts are ], as I realised later. ] (]) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2024 ==
I've just been checking my subpages to realise you had signed ]. Thank you very much for doing that, I really do appreciate that. '''] ('''<small><font color="cadetblue">]</font> <font color="cadetblue">]</font></small>''')<sup> ]</sup>''' 18:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


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::I think you should; you'd definitely have the largest guestbook by a day! Let me know if you do make one, cause I'll want to sign it first (or second if you sign it). :) '''] ('''<small><font color="cadetblue">]</font> <font color="cadetblue">]</font></small>''')<sup> ]</sup>''' 18:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! ] (]) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Feel free to look at some of my subpages. I like people to know more about me, especially great and honouable people. Just by looking at ], you'd probably know more about me than some of my friends. '''] ('''<small><font color="cadetblue">]</font> <font color="cadetblue">]</font></small>''')<sup> ]</sup>''' 21:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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    Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

    Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
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    Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc.

    Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to User:Jimbo Wales/old2 with a little assistance, so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "User:Jimbo Wales/old" was already taken. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see the first version of your user page on 19 January 2001 (UTC)! I hope this is all OK with you.

    It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So WikiProject Women in Red is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the draft press release about this event, a question was raised about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a definitive answer of Rosa Parks on 21 January 2001 (UTC)! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon Thomas Edison (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but not any more.

    As noted in various places like this discussion, your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported all of them to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    No worries. My Christmas gifts are so predictable, as I realised later. Graham87 (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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