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== Your new articles == == Scheele Medal ==


Hi Phoenix! Just in case you drop by... since you added to the infobox of ] that she recieved the Scheele Medal and I can't access your source, I'd be grateful if you'd tell me what information this source has on this Scheele Medal. At first I thought it was identical to the ] (which does include a medal) but apparently not, since she is not on the official list of Scheele Award laureates. Best regards
Hello! I was doing New Page Patrol and I came upon your new articles about the ] nominated books. I put tags on the article requested their expansion and editing to fit Misplaced Pages requirements. If you need help in this endeavour, please feel free to call on me. Thanks! ] (]) 12:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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2. Further, if in fact what you claim is true, then the proper location for that information is, in fact, under "homophobia" or a "homophobia" subsection--NOT under an "Animal Sexuality" subsection--when the article is totally focused on Human Sexuality or its variants.
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Further, I have reviewed the article and find absolutely no references to "homosexuality in animals" in the Misplaced Pages article (or and linked articles) under or with any "homophobia" sub-sections or passages. Please clarify that reference. Thanks! ] (]) 02:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


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:LOL I agree. ] (]) 21:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

== Show Me Love ==

Hey. A note to say I'm not trying to be difficult here, but the former Lesbian article used shady sourcing culled from very quick Google searches, and lists or unrelated sentences somehow fused together in incoherent paragraphs. I'm trying to do something more with this article. First, I'd like to use the best sources available anywhere. This means editorial-reviewed books over web sources like afterellen.com or curvemag.com. imdb.com and amazon.com are not sufficient sources to verify that the material is lesbian (I saw the film, so I know it is, but bear with me here for a moment). Both imdb.com and amazon.com are user-generated sites, very much like wikis. Instead, a source should state that ''Fucking Amal'' is considered part of a milestone in portrayals of lesbianism. I would like a book to say it. I have more work to do on the article. I won't forget it, I promise. --] (]) 18:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Prop 8 on Rick Warren page ==

Hi Phoenix of9. In hopes of facilitating consensus on the matter of how best to refer to California Prop 8 on the Rick Warren page, I wrote up a framework of seven points that I *think* interested editors agree on, and three points that I *think* interested editors disagree on, and put it on the discussion page. I'm hoping you'll return to that page and provide your input. Thanks.... ] (]) 20:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Hi, Phoenix of9, thank you for all the efforts you have been making on these articles, i appreciate that you have asked for mediation and are doing good work to bring (hopefully more) objective eyeballs to the discussion. I'm sorry to say that i have become so fatigued with the whole debacle, i just can't find a good way to participate there anymore. I was going to write a reply to the mediator on the Talk:Rick Warren page, because i feel they have not addressed some primary issues (COI, censorship and whitewashing, etc) and i also feel they are noting complete irrelevant issues (i.e., whether or not any editors are "pro-gay-rights", which seems like a strange thing on which the mediator would comment, as they seem to be focusing on the editors rather than the edits.) But i just don't want to say anything further on those Rick Warren or SaddleBack Church pages because i just don't know how to contain my ire and indignation, and i'm afraid i will just "fan the flames" even more if i open my mouth again. I want to be supportive of you and any other editors who are attempting neutral objectivity and reliably sourced citations, but i'm sorry if i don't seem very helpful. Maybe the only way i can "help" is to avoid doing any harm to the principles of neutrality and civility. So i came here to your TalkPage to basically say i'm taking a bit of a wiki-break to keep out of trouble, and i am just ever so grateful that you and other editors have the energy to keep on pressing in the uphill struggle for fairness and ethical wikipedia activity. Thank you for being so productive, maybe at some future date i can find better ways to be involved, i am just glad there are people like you who are willing to spend the time and effort even when others of us grow so weary. Best wishes, ]] ~ ] 22:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::Damn. I guess we could just repeat my whole spiel from 23 February 2009. I'm going to chill out, before my head explodes into flames, i don't think i can handle that Mediation TalkPage right at this moment without expressing anger, and that won't help anybody, especially reasonable people like you, so i'll see you later after i cool down. Thanks for being a model of good patience. ~ ]~]~] ~ 09:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Your characterization of other editors opinions ==

Your Lyonscc's opinion as "irrelevant" is out of order. I have warned you about this before, and I will not issue a further warning. ] (]) 04:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Altered proposal ==

I think it will confuse things if you change proposed wordings that others have already supported, as it becomes unclear exactly what they supported. Perhaps you should add a 4th proposal. Re the proposal itself, I think that the second sentence should expand on the first and explain the reason for the criticism at least a little. ] (]) 06:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

:Fixed. ] (]) 06:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


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== Careful please ==

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== Stow the wikitalk ==

If you have something to say, say it in plain English.

"Strong disapproval of homosexuality was reported for 41% of 42 cultures; it was accepted or ignored by 21%, and 12% reported no such concept. Of 70 ethnographies, 59% reported homosexuality absent or rare in frequency and 41% reported it present or not uncommon." ] (]) 12:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

:And...This supports your addition how? ] (]) 13:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

::I think our disagreement stems from the fact that you are using a statement referring to ''orientation'' in a way that incorrectly makes it seem applicable to homosexuality in general. ] (]) 00:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Orientation and behaviour are related closely. Also note that ] will be merged. I moved your stuff to history section. Give me like a week b4 making more changes. ] (]) 11:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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==Mediation==
Thanks for your continued good work on the mediation. ] (]) 08:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Coat of arms of NRW ==

As I see it, neither alternative for that link is truly acceptable - the section of the river bears little relevance to a political area with a merely similar name (admittedly named after the same thing); whereas the only political area on which Misplaced Pages has information, is, as you correctly point out, a subset of the true area. We have a choice here - have a poor, (largely) irrelevant link or none at all. Both options don't actually add anything, IMO, to the enjoyment of the page. Do you have another view? - ] <sup>(], ])</sup> 20:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

:Yea, leave the link in coat of arms article and improve ] article. ] (]) 22:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:: I think that ] might actually be the best. If you compare these two maps:

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:it seems that the area Niederrhein is equivalent to Rhineland as now is. In my mind, that's the perfect political entity, because that makes there three distinct political areas - Rhineland, Westfalen/phalia and Lippe which match up with the current arms. Also the Rhine province used the same ''vert a bend wavy argent'' arms as here:

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:I can't find the arms of the state of Grand Duchy of the Lower Rhine, but one is left to assume the arms of the Rhine Province became the basis for North-Rhine Westphalia; for 'in 1946, the Rhine Province was divided up between the newly-founded states of North Rhine-Westphalia and Rhineland-Palatinate', so this leaves two options: use the area ] as the area represented by that 'third' of the arms, or make it clear that it was the areas coming from the former state of ] that led to that third. - ] <sup>(], ])</sup> 16:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
::I've found my book of flags which states that 'The colours of the flag are taken from the arms which combine the symbols of the three parts of the state which are Rhineland (river), Westphalia (horse) and Lippe (rose)' so I definitely think the link should be to the ] page. - ] <sup>(], ])</sup> 17:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== 3RR analysis ==

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::Btw, are you sure that wasnt a violation of 1rr? Because his edits were consecutive? If it isnt a 1rr violation, I'll have to delete it from his RFC. ] (]) 04:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, let's look at this systematically. The common understanding of ] I've seen in action as a Wikipedian cultural norm varies slightly from the "letter of the law" as it's written on the 3RR policy page. Specifically, with the recognition that making major changes to an established page (per ]) will almost invariably involve "undoing" some of the work of others, somewhat of a pass is given to initial edits in a particular burst of editing unless they are blindingly obvious undoings of the contributions immediately prior to theirs (it's also a huge pain in the ass to hunt down the origins of what an initial edit may or may not have undone). At the first edit in this series, Collect had not touched the article since 9 March and had not made a substantial change since 8 March. Meanwhile several others were editing heavily. I would consider the deck sufficiently shuffled to consider the first edit on 12 March as a start from 0.

* (15:06, 12 March) Pass.
* Someone rewrites the intro.
* Collect re-rewrites the intro; however, he does not return it to how it was when he last edited. Instead he changes it, apparently building on previous revisions. This is not reversion but evolution, the process through which articles mature during periods of heavy editing.
* Collect is substantially reverted.
* Collect adds {{tl|sectOR}} tags to three sections and takes out two images.
* Collect is completely reverted.
* (15:25, 13 March) Collect partially reverts the reversion. 1RR.

This does not appear to have been a 3RR situation. ] ] 06:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== not "Wiki" ==

Not meant at all otherwise as a comment or take on '']'' is a kind of software, this project is called '']''. ] (]) 20:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:Must be my education in "socialist/fascist" government school (!) or whatever that was. ] (]) 20:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::Very likely so. If you have (or ever have) kids please think about ] ;) ] (]) 20:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh btw, I'm from ] (Northern Europe), I'm not related to any of Central/Western/Other Europeans and I think ] was a moron.
:::And if you have kids, please think about sending them to school so they can have a decent social life. ] (]) 20:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Lower Saxony? You're most likely related and one of your g.g.g.g...grand-dads was a... (mine too). No need to go on about it, but healthier social lives can be found for kids outside of state and state-sanctioned schools. ] (]) 20:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== Easy there ==

The RFC on Collect makes it easy to get annoyed. But I think we'll both do better to keep things cool and calm.] (]) 15:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:Agreed. Over-flavoring your comments with too much venom weakens their effect. Too much spice in the stew ruins the pot for all!--] (]) 12:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== My concerns ==

Alright, I seem to be having trouble with this on the RfC so I'll try be a little more specific in my concerns (this isn't meant as sarcasm, I'll admit I can be a little vague). What I mean is you are asking for things such as the Drudge ban w/o talking to those involved to see if they agree or disagree that it is really necessary. You are passing judgement in one area w/o first seeking out whether those who are actually taking part think it would help rather than hurt. As for Fascism, the user in question was inserting material against concensus and has since been reverted by other editors, I think Collect just jumped the gun a bit on this one. ] (]) 16:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:As I said, Collect's behaviour is not isolated to those 2 articles and those 2 instances. ] (]) 16:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
::True, but I think my concerns with the DR topic ban is valid. Perhaps you could talk to those invovled? ] (]) 16:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:::If those in DR think it's unnecessary, I'll drop my 6 month topic ban suggestion. But 1rr for 18 months still stands. ] (]) 16:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

::::Fair enough, that addresses one of my main concerns. I guess we can just agree to disagree on Fascism. ] (]) 16:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

* Hi there. Please avoid repeatedly referring to various policy/guideline/essays - that's what the section "applicable policies and guidelines" exists for. On another note, as you are aware, users certifying the basis of the dispute are requested to provide diffs showing that they tried to resolve a dispute, and failed to do so. I've tried to fix the formatting so that it is consistent across RfCs in general; if you can provide diffs of certifiers trying and failing to resolve the dispute, then there are no issues with the filing of this RfC. Cheers, ] (]) 16:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
**I'm not an admin, and anyone can move it to approved if it has been certified - somehow, the sections regarding trying and failing to resolve the dispute were omitted in the template (perhaps when it was moved), so this has been restored. Diffs are always preferrable, especially if the RfC is looked at later down the track by the community or ArbCom. Diffs of what you said/did (whether it was on user talk page, article talk page, edit summary) in trying to resolve the dispute, and diffs of what the other user said/did in making that attempt a failure is what is needed here, and will resolve the issue. Admins will generally come to RfC when a deletion is requested due to the RfC being uncertified, for example. Does that help? ] (]) 17:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
***Replied at talk page. ] (]) 08:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Collect RFC ==

I think Collect believes your examples of effort to work out disputes are all mine because you didn't sign it. He'll certainly make an issue of it you don't make it clear which parts are yours vs. mine. You should probably go back there since it's only a matter of time before we get a paragraph or two about it from him which will only confuse issues more. ] (]) 21:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
:re: Ending RFC - perhaps we might have a good catalog of examples, but Collect is benefiting from which gives the edge to gamers. By working on the margins of acceptable behavior, he'll remain free to do what he wants. ] (]) 22:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Saxon steed ==

I did actually read your reasoning re the move and had looked at that German page before making the move; I still believe it it better served on an individual page - the fact that the de.wikipedia.org choose to have it that way is their business - and there are significant differences between the pages in terms of content and scope.An individual page, on the other hand, creates consistency across the page spectrum, while Saxon steed could continue to show the use of the horse as an icon, along with the general thoughts behind it. I was not suggesting that the Saxon steed page need to be removed or anything close, but the information specifically about the coat of arms of Lower Saxony should be presented in individual page format with an infobox. '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 20:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:Do you understand German? The coat of arms of Lower Saxony '''is''' the Saxon Steed. ] (]) 20:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::I can't find a piece of German that actually says that. There are things like ''Heute ist es das Wappen des Bundeslandes Niedersachsen'' which is the other way round - the Saxon steed is the coat of arms of Lower Saxony; this doesn't mean they are synonomous. There are other aspects to both parts, such as the issue date and armiger of the arms of Lower Saxony, which aren't relevant to the iconography of the Steed as a whole, and there are aspects of the steed, such as its use in Kent, which aren't relevant to any coat of arms section. '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 20:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::On second thoughts, I can see you argument better- give me a second to think :) '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 20:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Also note that saxon steed has been the symbol of saxon people. And ] is the home of Saxons. (ie: it isnt ]) ] (]) 20:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::::(ec) I'm sorry, but you've failed to sway me over this point. The German Law actually (unlike the article) says „Niedersachsen führt als Wappen das weiße Roß im roten Felde.“ which says about a white horse on a red field, which, while it is clearly an allusion to the Sachenross, doesn't actually say that it is. In other words, the coat of arms of Lower Saxony isn't the Sachenross, it's a red field with a white horse that happens to be exactly the same. They both, therefore, require articles. maybe a CoA page saying that it displays the Sachenross, with an extract and {{main template to Saxon steed? '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 20:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Look the german article is FA. So I think yea, this wikipedia should do like it does. "Heute ist es das Wappen des Bundeslandes Niedersachsen". And if you need a further source:
::::::"Peter Veddeler: Das Niedersachsenross, Geschichte des niedersächsischen Landeswappens. Hannover 1996" ] (]) 20:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm still not convinced they are better served as a single article. The German Saxon steed article is nothing like the one on the English Misplaced Pages in terms of scope, and, as I pointed out above, the quotation we both used from the German text does not necessarily mean they are synonymous. Clearly there's an interesting history behind the Saxon steed, and that this is reflect on the coat of arms. But the Law makes no mention of this fact, and this is one reason why, just like we have articles on other charges, such as the fleur-de-lis, or similar charges, this ought to be the case with the Saxon steed.
:::::::::Your source for the law? ] (]) 21:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind, I think you used this:
Did you read all of the article? "Wappen des Bundeslandes Niedersachsen ist das springende weiße Ross im roten Felde." (The part you quoted) Then: "Es blickt auf eine Geschichte von über 600 Jahren zurück" and goes on about saxon steed. ] (]) 21:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:I don't disagree with that source. It says that Lower Saxony uses a white horse on a red dield, and that has a long history. All true. All I'm saying is that the additional functuanality of a separate page is better for the viewer. I know that it shows the Sachenross, but that it ''shows'' the Sachenross, but that the two things are separate. For example, the Sachenross appears on the inescutcheon of Hanover, but here it isn't the arms of Lower Saxony, it's something different. Here, they are not two names for the same thing, and hence, on English Misplaced Pages, they deserve separate pages, no doubt linked. I cannot see how this would have a negative effect on the reader. <strike>- ] <sup>(], ])</sup> 21:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)</strike><small>My idiotic left it signed in, and I failed to notice because everything else's the same.</small> '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 21:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::The Law's from the German article: ''Die neue „Niedersächsische Verfassung“ vom 19. Mai 1993 übernahm die Regelung und sagt in Artikel 1, Satz (3) aus: „Niedersachsen führt als Wappen das weiße Roß im roten Felde und in der Flagge die Farben Schwarz-Rot-Gold mit dem Landeswappen.“ '' in full. '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 21:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::weiße Roß = Sachsenroß = Saxon steed. See this is for kids but its official: "Als das Land Niedersachsen 1946 gegründet wurde, übernahm der damalige Ministerpräsident Hinrich Wilhelm Kopf das '''Sachsenross''' mit der ehemaligen Hannoverschen Provinzialflagge als Hausflagge der Staatskanz'ei ('''Weißes Ross''' auf rotem Flaggentuch)." ] (]) 21:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Even with weiße Roß = Sachsenroß, there is still the red field to account for, and hence the Sachenross is simply the charge on the coat of arms. I will draft a two-page solution in my userspace, if you want to amend it, I will; if you still think that the entire page is unwarranted, we'll put it to the ] or any other group of people. '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 10:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:(Outdent) OK, it's at ]. The main Saxon Steed page would only have to be reworded slightly. Your thoughts? '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 11:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::I made my points. Asking for a 3rd opinion seems the way to go. ] (]) 18:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::Fine. I will message WP:HV, referencing this convo. Feel free to ask anyone you want to. -<strike> ] <sup>(], ])</sup> 18:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)</strike> <small>Not again! Don't worry, Jarry1250 will not have any views for the purpose of this discussion because of the fraternal relationship. '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 18:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)</small>
:::Also note that Saxon steed has been the symbol of area of Lower Saxony for a long time. Its latest usage (coat of arms) is just continuation of that history. So I dont understand why you dont want '''all''' the info in COA of Lower Saxony under Saxon steed. ] (]) 18:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:I understand that it's a historic symbol. But I think the information's better served as two pages. For example, Misplaced Pages could have one page on English history, but instead it is better to have Sub-Roman Britain, Roman Britain etc, they could be considered separate topics. I think it should be taken the other way round: why shouldn't we have a page called coat of arms of Lower Saxony, since we have 'Coat of arms of' for other states. There's enough material and it's a separate subject. '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 18:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::Because it serves the readers better when they are a single article. Neither article is long. ] (]) 18:38, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== That map ==

]? Wouldn't it make sense to simply ask the creator for the sources used or is there something else? ] 00:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

:He doesnt seem active. ] (]) 17:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::No problem, it was pretty but not "overnight" pretty! ] 03:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Lower Saxony ==

Well I'm glad we've come to an agreement (I mean that) and I'd (by which I mean Misplaced Pages) love your input. I'll try to find out or translate as new info as possible because no-one wants to see short articles. Sorry I didn't see your talk earlier. :) '''Grandiose2''' (],],]) 19:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Hi Phoenix! Just in case you drop by... since you added to the infobox of Ida Noddack that she recieved the Scheele Medal and I can't access your source, I'd be grateful if you'd tell me what information this source has on this Scheele Medal. At first I thought it was identical to the Scheele Award (which does include a medal) but apparently not, since she is not on the official list of Scheele Award laureates. Best regards

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