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==Arbitrators active on this case==
{{ACA|Tang Dynasty=yes}}
{{#ifeq:|yes|
'''Active:'''
#Cool Hand Luke
#Coren
#FayssalF
#FloNight
#Jayvdb
#Newyorkbrad
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman


'''Inactive:'''
== Tenmei's WP:TLDR winning again over the valid concerns on his incivility and harassment ==


'''Recused:'''
I do think so. Various editors addressed their concerns that Newyorkbrad's initial proposals at the Workshop are not enough, and too soft given Tenmei's repeated disruption, but the final decisions are even softer than the first one. ANI can not stop his incivility and he has harassed me to expose my name to ANI, and he wikistalked me and attacked all editors even arbitrators during the ArbCom case. As looking other ArbCom cases, such behaviors are immediately sanctioned as a temporary injunction (Macedonian, Obama, Date Delinking, and others). However, Tenmei who did the horrendous behaviors even can evade from ArbCom due to his TLDR argument that includes his various attacks. I'm very disappointed by the impractical decision.-] 20:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
#Carcharoth
#Casliber
#Kirill Lokshin
#Risker


}}<!---
:I am of the opinion that the ArbCom case should also cover Tenmei's disruptive behaviours elsewhere, and I feel the appropriate sanctions should be placed above. In fact, I feel Tenmei should at least get a mentorship, if ArbCom feels an outright ban is inappropriate.] (]) 20:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
-->{{#ifeq:|yes|
::I wonder Arbitrators even read thought the whole evidence and workshop page where Tenmei excises various uncivil comments because of his too long argument. Tenmei even gave me personal attacks while NYB finished up writing the final proposals. But why the mentorship suggestion (thought he was informally mentored) is not considered. --] 21:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
'''Active:'''
#Casliber
#Cool Hand Luke
#Coren
#FloNight
#Jayvdb
#Kirill Lokshin
#Newyorkbrad
#Risker
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman
#FayssalF


'''Inactive:'''
==Rejecting "Locus of dispute" as written==
#Carcharoth
This specific "proposed finding of fact" should be rejected as written.


'''Recused:'''
A new, better locus of dispute should be adduced.


}}<!---
I write to encourage votes in opposition; and I hope those who have already voted re-visit this because the first and last sentences are fundamentally flawed.
-->{{#ifeq:|yes|
'''Active:'''
#Carcharoth
#Cool Hand Luke
#Jayvdb
#Kirill Lokshin
#Newyorkbrad
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman


'''Inactive:'''
<u>NO to 1st sentence</u>. The case originated when ] rejected any and all inquiry relating to ], ] and ], alleging ] and ] instead. This persistent ''confrontational strategy'' is endorsed and encouraged by those voting in support ]'s locus of dispute. These votes effectively disregard , and, most importantly, Teeninvestor's restatment at . This obfuscation marginalizes even the attempt to pursue a ''strategy of collaborative editing''; and for this very practical reason, I could not disagree more with this sentence


'''Recused:'''
<u>NO to 3rd sentence</u>. In the specific context of this case, it is procedurally unsound to adopt the expanded scope proposed by ] and ]. One of the few areas of agreement acknowledged the initially limited focus of our case when it was opened. I could not disagree more with this sentence.
#Casliber
#Coren
#FayssalF
#FloNight
#Risker
}}<!---
--->{{#ifeq:|yes|
'''Active:'''
#Carcharoth
#Casliber
#Cool Hand Luke
#Coren
#FayssalF
#FloNight
#Jayvdb
#Kirill Lokshin
#Newyorkbrad
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman


'''Inactive:'''
In support, I highlight a crucial or between "A" and "B" below:
#Risker
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-->{{#ifeq:yes|yes|
'''Active:'''
#Casliber
#Cool Hand Luke
#Coren
#FayssalF
#FloNight
#Jayvdb
#Kirill Lokshin
#Newyorkbrad
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman


'''Inactive:'''
:*A. ]'s analysis and paraphrases ]'s measured language :
#Carcharoth
::"We appear to confront a small scale replica of what has occurred in other, wider disputes ... informed by a four-prong examination at each and every point of this escalating drama:
#Risker
::* 1. "What is the quality of the sources used by both sides in the dispute?
::* 2. "What is the consensus of scholars in the field; and does the source reflect that consensus?
::* 3. "Are the sources actually supporting the assertions for which they are cited?
::* 4. "Are unsourced assertions being used?
::"As others will know better than me, these four points are, unsurprisingly, at the center of most protracted disputes <s>and are all violations of our core content policies</s>, e.g., ], ] and ]."


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::*B. ]'s rejection is entire and :
-->{{#ifeq:|yes|
:::'''"This guy is out of control, man."'''
'''Active:'''
#Carcharoth
#Casliber
#Cool Hand Luke
#FayssalF
#FloNight
#Jayvdb
#Kirill Lokshin
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Sam Blacketer
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman


'''Inactive:'''
In this instance, ]'s paraphrase of ]'s moderating analysis was posted on the talk pages of all arguably interested participants at ]. The "out of control" accusatory phrasing was repeated in diffs on the talk pages of ] and ]. This suggests a deliberate strategy rather than a merely transient outburst.
#Coren


'''Recused:'''
In these pivotal diffs, ] cannot ''feign'' to have misunderstood my writing. These are plainly Coren's paraphrased words; and yet, this modest effort to frame ''collaborative editing'' issues was immediately converted into a contrived hostile encounter. This destructive pattern is reflected ''ad nauseam'' on the evidence and workshop pages. Despite the cumulative attacks, the edit history confirms my participation focused on issues, but this outcome tells me clearly that I was wrong to take the high road.
#Newyorkbrad
#Risker
}}<!--
-->{{#ifeq:|yes|


'''Active''':
In voting to support this awkward ], ArbCom's judgment effectively affirms that the contributions of ] and ] were above reproach and I was not.
#Casliber
#Cool Hand Luke
#Coren
#FayssalF
#FloNight
#Jayvdb
#Kirill Lokshin
#Newyorkbrad
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman


'''Inactive:'''
This alchemy is difficult to digest. ArbCom rewards what is bad and denigrates what is good. --] (]) 18:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
#Carcharoth
#Risker


'''Recused''':
===Workshop===
This attentive focus on the locus of dispute is also found in my workshop contributions. ]'s proposed findings of fact at were opposed. --] (]) 20:17, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


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===Remedies ===
-->{{#ifeq:|yes|
Five remedies are proposed, but I don't understand how to convert these terse aphorisms into something meaningful and timely.
'''Active''':
:*1. I recognize the practical reasons for avoiding ] and ]. I can comply with this ArbCom directive, but I don't understand the verb in the sense that it can be construed as a punishment for misconduct. It is fair to say that ]'s so-called "evidence" and other contributions are designed to ensure that I would get "disadvantage from the decision." I adopt ]'s language below as a restatement:
#Cool Hand Luke
::"His topic-ban is just imposed to "one" article, and he does not edit Chinese/Mongolian related articles. Therefore, there would be very low chance for Tenmei to meet Teeninvestor. <u>He would not get any disadvantage from the decision.</u>"
#Coren
:*2.
#FayssalF
:*3.
#FloNight
:*4.
#Jayvdb
:*5. In principle, the '']'' continuing jurisdiction is crucial. In practice, ]'s characteristic focus on my "disadvantage from the decision" makes continuing jurisdiction more important than in other cases. This ArbCom case could have been something other than a ], but there you have it.
#Kirill Lokshin
#Newyorkbrad
#Risker
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman


'''Recused''':
ArbCom confirms that I'm the in this dispute; but I can't feign to be contrite because I simply do not understand. In this case, core values are confounded when ArbCom rewards what is bad and denigrates what is good.
#Carcharoth
#Casliber


'''Away or inactive''':
] can't be averted if the dispute resolution fails to devote adequate attention to those who most need to understand how to parse ]. --] (]) 15:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Another list and "disruptive" canvassing by Tenmei==

Given Tenmei above rant to the very generous final remedies, I wonder why Tenmei listed the all Arbitrators and their email addresses onto his talk page. I do not want to assume that it is another ] (me, Nick-D, LordAmeth). However, his canvassing to arbitrators to strongly demand for revising the "Locus of dispute" that he does not like is beyond my understanding of his behaviors. -_-;; His topic-ban is just imposed to "one" article, and he does not edit Chinese/Mongolian related articles. Therefore, there would be very low chance for Tenmei to meet Teeninvestor. He would not get any disadvantage from the decision. However, why does he cause more troubles for himself doing this? As proposed, Mentorship would be better for him.--] 19:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:If the posting is just for the canvassing, he may delete it after his mission is fulfilled.--] 19:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::Tenmei's canvassing is disruptive and needs to stop. I hope this can show ArbCom the need for stronger measures.] (]) 19:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

] My modest effort to frame ''collaborative editing'' issues was here converted into a contrived hostile encounter. This pattern is emblematic; and it destroys any hope for anything but confrontation to ensue. I don't understand how or why this is left out of ArbCom's decision-making process. I can at least ], but that doesn't really do much to suggest alternative which could have avoided this problem at the outset. --<s>] (]) 19:54, 30 May 2009</s> ] (]) 19:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:]--] 20:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Another canvassing and obsession of Tenmei ==

*I'm very sick and tired of Tenmei's persistent obsession with me and agenda of hunting me down. He has canvassed today to editors' talk pages where he previously wikistalked my edits, and harassed me regardless of the fact that he was all irrelevant of my discussion with them. <u>The current ArbCom enforcement on him is purely due to his disruption and incivility</u> to the article in question but he still tries to antagonaize me all over the place. He gloated with sending messages of my activity and mocked me with various insulting naming calling. Unfortunately the ArBcom does not care about his "continued harassment", and inappropriate behaviors.
*Two admins in good standing but are marked as Tenmei's enemy (just like User:Mattisse's plague list), and have expressed their concern on Tenmei. Tenmei has to see that almost all editors consider his behavior very disruptive to the community, but in his canvassing, I'm on the spot light again. He thinks that he did not do wrong. Why would the committe not regulate this kind of behavior? I do not want to meet this guy's relentless disruption any more.--] 19:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm going to paste it to the Evidence section.--] 19:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

===] is crying wolf ===
No, no, no. No ] would complain about this seemly posting. This what I wrote:

::'''Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly'''
::I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...?

::'''ArbCom remedy'''
::Voting is underway at . In part because of , the was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that ] has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at . I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention this to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you specifically.

::ArbCom findings of fact included:
::* . "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case."

::ArbCom remedies included:
::* : "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion."

::* : "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought."

::It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; and I'm willing to invest in learning about how to disagree without being disagreeable.

::If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com.

Latest revision as of 00:59, 13 June 2009

Arbitrators active on this case

Active:

  1. Casliber
  2. Cool Hand Luke
  3. Coren
  4. FayssalF
  5. FloNight
  6. Jayvdb
  7. Kirill Lokshin
  8. Newyorkbrad
  9. Rlevse
  10. Roger Davies
  11. Stephen Bain
  12. Vassyana
  13. Wizardman

Inactive:

  1. Carcharoth
  2. Risker
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