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As for the "intensity of the protests", how in the world was this measured? By number of people in the streets? Then again, it must be scaled. Don't tell me that scaling both data would amount to scaling none, as it's not true in this case. Let's take one example of the map being uninformative. In the US, only one obscure newspaper published ONE cartoon (the least offensive one), while the mainstream newspapers in the EU countries (except the UK) published ALL cartoons. So the map should take this into account. It should go by number of cartoons published. Example: 100,000 copies of one paper published 2 cartoons --> 200,000. But 100,000 copies of one paper published 12 cartoons --> 1,200,000. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Actually, I think it is much worse than that. As far as I can tell, it is completely ], not citing a single ] for its information. I have removed the image from the article for now - it is still in the article source, but commented out using the <nowiki><!-- and --></nowiki> stuff. If anybody can source it all, go ahead and do so and put the image back in the article. -<span id="Lilac Soul" class="plainlinks" style="color:#002bb8">] <sup>(] <small>•</small> ] <small>•</small> )</span></sup> 19:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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I think the title should be changed to "Muhammad cartoons" to make it easier for people to find it, but can't see a "Move" tab at the top of the page, where it normally is. What happened to the Move tab? |
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(Although I've just found that it redirects from "Mohammad cartoons", I must admit.) |
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I wish you are fine, |
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guys this article contains some images that are disrespectful for us, |
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Please I really would like you to be comprehensive and delete them |
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Sincerely ] (]) 22:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:See the template at the top of the page, which links to previous discussions of this issue. You can also configure your browser not to show the images.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 22:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== "In popular culture" == |
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:Also read ]. ] (]) 23:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:No. ] (]) 05:35, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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Is the ] section in the article entirely necessary? It feels rather awkward and reads just like an excuse to put a South Park reference in an article. Was the South Park reaction that significant from all the others that it warrants an inclusion? —— ] (]) 18:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Oh, there ere numerous pop culture ones, but south park was pretty tame. I mean you can link http://www.mohammeddance.com if you want. |
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As many others have already stated these pictures are not only disrespectful to more than 1.6 billion muslims all over the world, but are also a sign of hatred against all of us. It hurts us a lot, so many of us asked for considiration of our feelings, because the article will still be informative even without the picture and it would be a way to show the cohesion and respect between different nations, beliefs and cultures. And not showing pictures due to respect is something, we do on a daily basis. E. g. if an accident happens and people die, most of the countries in this world would show no pictures of the dead people, because it is very impious. So every culture etc. has something they want to protect or respect. We muslims also want that and with 1.6 billion people worldwide it is also a number of people whos feelings deserve to be heared and respected. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Agreed, see . Unless there is substantial media coverage, "in popular culture" sections soon become a dumping ground for non-notable bloat.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 06:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:See the ] template at the top of this page. ] (]) 11:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::Thank you. I know the rules for censorship. In general, certain content needs to be censored and others can be censored. In particular, the things that can be censored include distasteful content. For 1.6 billion people, these cartoons are beyond distasteful. You also have to distinguish between censorship and simple reporting. The main theme of the article is not conveyed through these images themselves, but through the pain that the mockery causes in us Muslims. The pictures do not have to be shown for this. Just as little as pictures of victims of a massacre have to be shown to show the pain of the relatives. So with all due respect to the right of free speech, freedom of the press and other fundamental rights: Please delete these images from the article, because if the fundamental rights just mentioned can be restricted by acts that are generally considered distasteful, then this should not be an exception because the distaste just affects Muslims. ] (]) 12:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Sorry, but religious beliefs don't get to dictate what happens on Misplaced Pages. Please follow ] for a guide on how to hide images. ] (]) 23:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Thank you for the answer. I imagined that our beliefs will not be the guideline for the decisions about the content on Misplaced Pages. This is why so many of us just asked for it and not commanded it or anything. We have shared our feelings about this with you and it is up to you to either respect our feelings about this or not. I thank all the none-muslims supporters for their attepmt to help us in this matter. It shows to me what a peaceful world would look like. ] (]) 11:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::Why do even dare to speak for all Muslims by using the collective term "we"?? You speak for your own, with your own mind, point of view and religious beliefs. |
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:::::Secondly, if Muslims are so scared about showing the image of Muhammad, why is that name the most common surname in the muslim world and male adults are growing their beards such as he allegedly did? Isn`t that some sort of taking an image? |
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:::::Thirdly, freedom of speech is superior to islamic beliefs. You can build your own islamic state and then forbid such cartoons but wikipedia is a western invention or company and here people can express their points of view. ] (]) 01:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::1. I'm pretty sure all muslims would say that a cartoon that disrespects and paints another image to muslims is not freedom of speech |
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::::::2. We are not scared of showing the prohpets face (pbuh) rather its forbidden, and doing his practices are not taking an image and how is using someones name taking an image?? |
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::::::3.i don't disagree that you can't express your point of view but I don't think what your doing is freedom of speech rather your just disrespecting, but do as you wish |
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::::::4. You mentioned something about Iraq and Afghanistan having ties with 9/11 which is just wrong, and its been pretty much proven that it was a setup and now people have painted this bad image of Islam |
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::::::5. And i would like to say neither christians nor muslims would say its "freedom of speech" if someone did the same thing with jesus(pbuh) |
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::::::6. I highly doubt that people who bought the cartoons in muslim countries, bought it for entertainment or teaching, i think it was too see what was in it ] (]) 06:30, 23 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::Hi @], all peace and respect to you and your feelings. But the image on this page is necessary to allow us to understand what the issues are. Nobody is going to find this page by accident and be triggered by images they hadn't expected. On the contrary, anyone reading here is actively wanting to know about these images, and you can't form an opinion of them without seeing them. The image is of such low resolution that there is not much pleasure in looking at it and it can't be used for any other purpose than forming a basic judgment. |
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:::::::You mentioned that Christians would feel the same way if it were their religion being depicted. The point is, though, there are many disrespectful cartoons about Jesus on the internet, but they have little impact and aren't widely distributed, because Christians show their contempt by ignoring them. There will always be trolls who want to provoke you, but it's your choice if you give them success by getting angry and trying to silence them. The majority of people do not want to troll your religion and would not be interested in these cartoons, but the minute you say we are not allowed to see them, we want to see them. You yourself said that some people in Muslim countries bought the cartoons. They would never have heard of this provincial little Danish newspaper if devout Muslims had not brought it to their attention. This is called the ]. Quite simply, the best way to deny the cartoonists their success is to turn your back and walk quietly away. ] (]) 09:06, 23 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Most of these threads are very stale, some have been dead for 3 months, could someone please archive this? I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure how. --] (]) 23:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't this article be protected? --] (]) 11:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC) |
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*The article relies on a lot of block quotes. I think these can be summaried instead of using these quotes. |
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:Vandalism is not really serious enough to warrant protection at present, but the article is watched by admins who will apply protection if necessary. ]] 14:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Is anyone interested in addressing these concerns, or should this go to ]? ] (]) 05:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Does seem relevant to the article? ] (]) 19:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:It has already been added to the article. So, to answer your question: Yes it is relevant. --] (]) 20:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC) |
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Hello,
I wish you are fine,
guys this article contains some images that are disrespectful for us,
Please I really would like you to be comprehensive and delete them
Thank you for being comprehensive and kind
Sincerely Usernetme (talk) 22:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
As many others have already stated these pictures are not only disrespectful to more than 1.6 billion muslims all over the world, but are also a sign of hatred against all of us. It hurts us a lot, so many of us asked for considiration of our feelings, because the article will still be informative even without the picture and it would be a way to show the cohesion and respect between different nations, beliefs and cultures. And not showing pictures due to respect is something, we do on a daily basis. E. g. if an accident happens and people die, most of the countries in this world would show no pictures of the dead people, because it is very impious. So every culture etc. has something they want to protect or respect. We muslims also want that and with 1.6 billion people worldwide it is also a number of people whos feelings deserve to be heared and respected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:F5:D700:BE6C:D021:83A7:AA42:6314 (talk) 08:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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There is a "neutrality disputed" orange banner since 2019 that needs to be resolved. The article also has lots of uncited text and quoted text. Z1720 (talk) 20:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed.