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Fixed a few things, especially concerning whoever made up that crap about green eyes. Also, fixed "light blue eyes" to be called gray as dark, since clearly the opaque over the translucent makes the blue eyes appear gray, though they are really blue. Also fixed the deffinition of the word "hazel." Few people sadly seem to do research on this eye color with the general masses confusing it for just combination eyes. Also added the unusual eye color section. | |||
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== Why is editing blocked on an article with such poor sourcing? == | |||
EDIT: Though oddly enough someone likes the change some information back to the previous false facts. | |||
"DNA studies on ancient human remains confirm that light skin, hair and eyes were present at least tens of thousands of years ago on Neanderthals, who lived in Eurasia for 500,000 years." | |||
==Color changes?== | |||
While color change in young children is mentioned, I am aware of several people in my family whom have eye color changes relatively constantly throughout their lives. Is there a name for this? | |||
No, those sources don't say that -- especially the bit about "500,000 years," but more important (given the subject of the article) nothing "confirms" "light eyes" in Neanderthals, only light skin and red hair. Genes expressing blue eyes in modern homo sapiens were present but less dominant in a couple DNA samples mentioned in one of the articles, but that's it, and the article warns that the study is not widely accepted and that we ahve no way of knowing what the actual effect of thse genes would have been. | |||
==Expand, please== | |||
Yet there it is: DNA studies on ancient human remains confirm that light skin, hair and eyes were present at least tens of thousands of years ago on Neanderthals, who lived in Eurasia for 500,000 years. | |||
I've started this article though I'm not an expert on this topic. It seems to me like a ''lot'' could be written about the geographic distribution of eye colors around the world. So those more knowledgeable about this should expand it! ]—] (])] 01:34, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC) | |||
Who besides me will actually READ all five of those sources? It's not unlikely that the original editor who contributed the sentences had racist motives. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> | |||
Is there information available on demographics, meaning what percentage of people have each pigment, which is rarest, etc? | |||
What about people with Violet eyes (like Elizabeth Taylor)? Or people with those almost white, blue color eyes (if violet and blue-white are not just somehow blue variations)? And if Grey eyes are different from Blue eyes, why not mention them as thier own eye color? Also what more about susceptibility to light damage in brown-, green-, and other than blue-eyed people? Include detailed images of violet, hazel, grey, and white-blue eyes, if possible. | |||
I'm not sure what the argument is about, but the genetics people are stating that Neanderthals gave the homo sapiens light skin and light eyes over a period of time.ie blue and green eyes. Not sure why that would upset anyone or be a controversial idea. | |||
Oi, yo, can you give more info on them there grey eyes with brown ring and black centre please (this is what my eyes look like) | |||
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/neanderthal_facts_and_myths.shtml | |||
== Eye Color and Low-Light Vision Studies == | |||
I know people with golden/yellow eyes as well. Well, Misplaced Pages does give near-infinite chances to expand an article.] 23:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
Under the "Impact on Vision" section, there's no mention of findings related to vision in low-light. I'd add it myself but this is yet another gatekept article (rather ironic for a wiki site, no?) | |||
==Also== | |||
Two brown eyed parents can have a blue eyed child because brown is dominant. Therefore, both parents could have a "hidden" blue gene. If the child got both of these, they would possibly have blue eyes, I believe. Since blue is recessive, I am not sure if two blue eyed parents could have a brown eyed child.] 21:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
You can find a reference to a study at the University of Copenhagen here: | |||
== Green eyes == | |||
https://katrinapaulson.medium.com/study-suggests-people-with-blue-eyes-can-read-better-in-dim-lighting-01b39d1862a6 | |||
…and to a study at Liverpool John Moore University here: | |||
: Green eyes are most often found in people of ], ] and ] descent. | |||
https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/news/articles/2024/2/7/blue-eyes | |||
…as well as a passing reference to the findings in a section marked "Does eye color affect night sky vision?" here: | |||
# "Celtic descent" includes "Irish". | |||
https://www.almanac.com/seeing-in-the-dark | |||
# Aryan sounds a bit vague. It would be better if we had some statistics about the regions where the green eyes are more common ] | ] 09:38, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
# Doesn't Aryan refer to Iranian peoples and not Germanic? | |||
*It may now, but the phrase was created by the Nazis. | |||
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That is not true. The word "Aryan" has been around for hundreds of years long before Nazis came to existence. It was used to describe people who speak Indo-European language or the people from North India and Iran. Nazis just invented their own meaning of this word.--] 03:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
While these aren't absolutely conclusive, I would argue they're no less substantiated or valid than the portion referring to the study on "Correlation of eye color on self-paced and reactive motor performance." ] (]) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Confusing Grey Eyes Sentence == | |||
:Hardly a "gatekept" article. It's protected from random driveby vandalism; once you've made a total of ten edits on Misplaced Pages, you'll be able to add these references yourself. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 19:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
"Very light blue eyes can be confused with grey eyes". This doesn't make much sense. This should either be rephrased as "Very light blue eyes may give the impression of being grey," or "Grey eyes are often confused with very light blue eyes." Whichever the sentence is intended to mean. | |||
:'''].''' ] ] 23:40, 5 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
== Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2024 == | |||
== Michael Ealy == | |||
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"Although extremely rare, people of African descent may have blue eyes, such as Michael Ealy." | |||
O please change altitudes to latitudes in the text on blue eyes. ] (]) 19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
:{{done}} ] (]) 00:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Copyright notice for Beals & Hoijer (1965): sockpuppetry == | |||
This statement is misleading since it implies that blue eyes are found naturally in black populations, which they aren't. A "black" person may have blue eyes only if both of their parents have white ancestors who both carry genes for blue eyes, which is obviously the case with Michael Ealy whose blue eyes certainly didn't come from his black ancestors. This should be corrected or removed. | |||
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This image should never be re-added to the article again. As was shown at the on June 18, it is a copywritten work belonging to Beals and Hoijer (1965). Frost used this with limited permission in his blog post, but we do not have permission from Beals and Hoijer to use it. Regrettably, this image was recently re-uploaded under a false license using a circular reference, and has now been nominated for deletion again. Please don't add this image to the article as it is a violation of international copyright law. - ] (]) 02:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
I just took the liberty of removing this statement myself. --same poster as above, about thirty seconds later | |||
:Thank you for brining attention to this. This map should not be added to this page as it does appear to violate copyright law without permission from Beals and Hoijer. I am in full agreement with you. ] (]) 16:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
===Sockpuppetry=== | |||
Predictably, the individual who uploaded this image and posted it here, Runjeetgupta008, has been confirmed as a sockpuppet of Tommygunn7886. Also confirmed as a sock was Ari Feldstein, who also edits with the same POV as Tommygunn7886. ] (]) 19:15, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Blue eyes: recessive trait? == | |||
The article states that "the earlier belief that blue eye color is a recessive trait has been shown to be incorrect," but the three sources provided do not unambiguously state this. | |||
One (to medterms.com) is a dead link with an archive of some irrelevant nonsense. The second (sciencedaily.com) states that "“It used to be thought that eye colour was what we call a simple ''Mendelian recessive trait'' - in other words, brown eye colour was dominant over blue, so a person with two brown versions of the gene or a brown and a blue would have brown eyes, and only two blues with no brown could produce blue eyes. | |||
But the model of eye colour inheritance using a single gene is insufficient to explain the range of eye colours that appear in humans. ''We believe instead that there are two major genes'' - one that controls for brown or blue, and one that controls for green or hazel - and others that modify this trait." (emphasis mine) | |||
The third (Duffy et al.) states that interaction of a ''recessive'' mutation of OCA2 modifying other alleles associated with fair pigmentation is primarily responsible for blue eyes. | |||
The current wording is misleading (describing a recessive allele partially contributing to a polygenic phenotype as "not recessive" is roundabout to the point of untruth) and should be updated to better reflect Duffy et al. ] (]) 06:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:You are misrepresenting Duffy. They explained in it that it is multiple SNPs on OCA2, not OCA2 alone, which are responsible for color variation. It is not a "recessive" trait. ] (]) 15:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Why is editing blocked on an article with such poor sourcing?
"DNA studies on ancient human remains confirm that light skin, hair and eyes were present at least tens of thousands of years ago on Neanderthals, who lived in Eurasia for 500,000 years."
No, those sources don't say that -- especially the bit about "500,000 years," but more important (given the subject of the article) nothing "confirms" "light eyes" in Neanderthals, only light skin and red hair. Genes expressing blue eyes in modern homo sapiens were present but less dominant in a couple DNA samples mentioned in one of the articles, but that's it, and the article warns that the study is not widely accepted and that we ahve no way of knowing what the actual effect of thse genes would have been.
Yet there it is: DNA studies on ancient human remains confirm that light skin, hair and eyes were present at least tens of thousands of years ago on Neanderthals, who lived in Eurasia for 500,000 years.
Who besides me will actually READ all five of those sources? It's not unlikely that the original editor who contributed the sentences had racist motives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:cda0:9220:c1ea:12f4:f079:be78 (talk • contribs)
I'm not sure what the argument is about, but the genetics people are stating that Neanderthals gave the homo sapiens light skin and light eyes over a period of time.ie blue and green eyes. Not sure why that would upset anyone or be a controversial idea.
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/neanderthal_facts_and_myths.shtml
Eye Color and Low-Light Vision Studies
Under the "Impact on Vision" section, there's no mention of findings related to vision in low-light. I'd add it myself but this is yet another gatekept article (rather ironic for a wiki site, no?)
You can find a reference to a study at the University of Copenhagen here: https://katrinapaulson.medium.com/study-suggests-people-with-blue-eyes-can-read-better-in-dim-lighting-01b39d1862a6
…and to a study at Liverpool John Moore University here: https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/news/articles/2024/2/7/blue-eyes
…as well as a passing reference to the findings in a section marked "Does eye color affect night sky vision?" here: https://www.almanac.com/seeing-in-the-dark
While these aren't absolutely conclusive, I would argue they're no less substantiated or valid than the portion referring to the study on "Correlation of eye color on self-paced and reactive motor performance." Gaius315 (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hardly a "gatekept" article. It's protected from random driveby vandalism; once you've made a total of ten edits on Misplaced Pages, you'll be able to add these references yourself. --jpgordon 19:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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O please change altitudes to latitudes in the text on blue eyes. 78.67.202.11 (talk) 19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Copyright notice for Beals & Hoijer (1965): sockpuppetry
This image should never be re-added to the article again. As was shown at the original deletion case on June 18, it is a copywritten work belonging to Beals and Hoijer (1965). Frost used this with limited permission in his blog post, but we do not have permission from Beals and Hoijer to use it. Regrettably, this image was recently re-uploaded under a false license using a circular reference, and has now been nominated for deletion again. Please don't add this image to the article as it is a violation of international copyright law. - A Rainbow Footing It (talk) 02:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for brining attention to this. This map should not be added to this page as it does appear to violate copyright law without permission from Beals and Hoijer. I am in full agreement with you. Upon the rein of a wimpling wing (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry
Predictably, the individual who uploaded this image and posted it here, Runjeetgupta008, has been confirmed as a sockpuppet of Tommygunn7886. Also confirmed as a sock was Ari Feldstein, who also edits with the same POV as Tommygunn7886. A Rainbow Footing It (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Blue eyes: recessive trait?
The article states that "the earlier belief that blue eye color is a recessive trait has been shown to be incorrect," but the three sources provided do not unambiguously state this.
One (to medterms.com) is a dead link with an archive of some irrelevant nonsense. The second (sciencedaily.com) states that "“It used to be thought that eye colour was what we call a simple Mendelian recessive trait - in other words, brown eye colour was dominant over blue, so a person with two brown versions of the gene or a brown and a blue would have brown eyes, and only two blues with no brown could produce blue eyes. But the model of eye colour inheritance using a single gene is insufficient to explain the range of eye colours that appear in humans. We believe instead that there are two major genes - one that controls for brown or blue, and one that controls for green or hazel - and others that modify this trait." (emphasis mine)
The third (Duffy et al.) states that interaction of a recessive mutation of OCA2 modifying other alleles associated with fair pigmentation is primarily responsible for blue eyes.
The current wording is misleading (describing a recessive allele partially contributing to a polygenic phenotype as "not recessive" is roundabout to the point of untruth) and should be updated to better reflect Duffy et al. Jbt89 (talk) 06:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- You are misrepresenting Duffy. They explained in it that it is multiple SNPs on OCA2, not OCA2 alone, which are responsible for color variation. It is not a "recessive" trait. Upon the rein of a wimpling wing (talk) 15:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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