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{{Rquote|right|This page is a place for my advisers/mentors to monitor my problematic behavior, per ]. I am expected to address all concerns raised here, and will continue to interact over any specific issue raised, until a satisfactory solution is reached acceptable to all. Until that point, I will not continue the behavior in question or continue interaction on whatever page/article it is occurring, unless OKed by YellowMonkey or Art LePella regarding FAR or DYK. &mdash;] (]) 15:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)}}


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Welcome to Mattisse's monitoring page, where editors can help Mattisse follow her plan, for instance by drawing early attention to situations where Mattisse may be heading into conflict with other editors. For more information on Mattisse's plan, see:
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Welcome to Mattisse's monitoring page, where her advisors/mentors help Mattisse follow her plan.
To raise an issue, please <span class="plainlinks"></span>. This page is primarily for alerts, although the talk page can be used for discussion with mentors and others. Advice intended directly for Mattisse is better placed on her user talk page.
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*] has offered to report on Mattisse's contributions to DYK at my ArbCom > Workshop > Development of advising/mentoring plan. Please contact him if my behavior at FAR is disruptive. He can be contacted if any of Mattisse's contributions to DYK are causing or are likely to cause disruption; this is not a substitute for alerting editors here. Notifying Art LePella was accepted by Arbcom as a monitoring method.
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*] has stated at my ArbCom > Workshop > Development of advising/mentoring plan > monitoring (under Art LaPella's statement) that he does not put up with unruly behavior at FAR. He encouraged her continue participating in FAR. He can be contacted if any of Mattisse's contributions to FAR are causing or are likely to cause disruption; this is not a substitute for alerting editors here. Notifying YellowMonkey was accepted by Arbcom as a monitoring method.
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* Philcha and Geometry guy are active in the GA process. They can be alerted here if any of Mattisse's contributions to GAN or GAR are causing or are likely to cause disruption.
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==Monitoring record==

===] contributions and indefinite ban from the article===

'''Summary''': A summary of events (by ]) can be found . Commenting advisors have agreed that Mattisse had made excellent contributions to the article and was working well in collaboration with other editors when a minor comment suggesting article ownership escalated into several threads in which Mattisse engaged in inappropriate behaviour contrary to her Plan: . This also led to an Alert being raised by ] .

'''Outcome''': Mattisse is banned indefinitely from editing ] and its talk page. Advice for Mattisse related to this issue has been provided by ]. The ban may be lifted by any advisor/mentor on request from Mattisse, or following discussion on the monitoring talk page, provided it is clear that Mattisse has understood how and where her behaviour became problematic and that she will avoid such behaviour in the future.

==Talkpage comments==
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It was brought to my attention that Mattisse was making provocative comments on Malleus's talkpage. She was advised to stop - ] - which she did. However, she has been specifically warned against making such comments. I had given her a two months ago, after an incident involving Malleus, in which I stated that if she made comments on another Misplaced Pages I would block her for 24 hours.


I think we need to talk further about this incident and its implications. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 10:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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:I agree. In this incident Mattisse comments at 3 discusions but a lot of posts, see .
Just to mention that Mattisse wasn't long back from her block before Geogre (who left the project two months ago, so you'd think she might be done with him round about now) was again in her sights. I do not wish to personally discuss the matter further with Mattisse. And with the complexities of mentorship and monitoring, I'm not even sure who I ought to write to—I hope this page is allright. I certainly don't want to put a ] of publicity on Mattisse. But I do want to make the mentors aware of this recent nastiness. And put a stop to it if possible. I believe Geogre, Giano, Bishonen are people Mattisse has most particularly been requested to not use for target practice. ] | ] 00:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC).
:As I said to , I thought I'd seen a cycle that could be used to avert trouble, but this incident is only 9 dates since the last one (April Fool TFA). Does any other advisors have ideas on how to avert trouble?
:My comment was a true statement and not venomous. My heart goes out to other editors when I see them caught in exactly the same situation that I was regarding FAR nominations and the retribution that follows. I think it is only right to point out that this is a continuing situation situation that has not yet been dealt with by admins. FAR nominations of articles by that editor and retributions by specific protective editors continue. Please see , also and the rest of the thread noted above on Giano for context. As I said, this problem continues unabated at FAR whenever an article by that editor is nominated. Other editors step into the FAR situation unaware and are attacked. Regards, —] (]) 15:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:If no, I suggest we recommend that Mattisse compiled a list of incidents from (?) the start of Sep 2009 (i.e. after the lynch mob when goes away) and ''objective'' described what happened and why. If that is compiled, I suggest it be send to advisors via email, and the only other parties who should have access is ArbCom members, and then only by email. --] (]) 15:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::The comment in question seems to be more about the behavior of others regarding a Geogre article than about Geogre himself, so I think that the original post implying that they were somehow directed against Geogre may be somewhat inaccurate. And I would expect some such comments to be at least strongly considered for making by at least some people in the light of the current Eastern European mailing list matter. If it could happen once, ... . By saying that, I am in no way trying to imply anything about any parties, simply noting that it would not be impossible for the idea to at least occur to people. While I can and do think that the comment might have been not necessarily the nicest one, or one which bends over backward to AGF, I can't, in the light of the current situation, necessarily think that a few comments about how editors seem to at time often work or appear together is something which, in and of itself, is necessarily a particular cause for concern, although I would hope that such comments perhaps not be made again in the future in regards to other matters without clear, specific, evidence.
::Having said all that, I'm not at this point sure that saying simply because an article is associated with Geogre or anyone else is necessarily grounds for suspicion either, although I wouldn't myself rule out concern if an article were apparently worked on as some sort of memorial for him or anyone else. If such a case were to ever occur, and be one in which emotions of the editors involved were clearly relevant, then I would think that expressing concerns about how such emotion might impact things might be relevant. ] (]) 17:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You are right that my comment was not directed at Geogre himself but rather the conduct of others. I am merely concerned that FAR be a civil place for editors to work. As for the Eastern European mailing list matter, I know nothing about that and don't understand what is going on in that situation. It is over my head. Regards, —] (]) 17:12, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


::I think you are right when you say that Mattisse is the only person who can predict when she is going to get into trouble. We cannot prevent her. We can offer advise as what to do when stressed - such as consult with an advisor, and we can impose sanctions for when she goes against her Plan. But we cannot prevent her from making inappropriate comments. It concerns me that with all the warnings she has received that she continues to repeat the behaviour that has got her into trouble. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 15:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Mattisse, my impressions from a very quick read of ] are:
*Giano has caused trouble over a FAR of one of "his" FAs and shown hostility towards of those who says improvements are needed if an artcile is to retain FA status.
*The initial victim of this particular was Collectionian, as reported at . It was both unnecessary and imprudent for Mattisse to get involved, as Mattisse was not involved or a victim at ].
*The 1-week block on Giano looks excessive, but I think a 1-2 day block would have been fine, given Giano's actions. After this point the ANI thread became a shouting match between Giano's supporters and opponents. This is the kind of situation Mattisse needs to avoid, as any participant beyond this point looks like a party to a feud, and Mattisse is in a situation where she cannot afford to give such an impression.
*If Mattise has continued, she should have stuck to that specific incident instead of widening the number of parties and span of time covered. Mattisse, that was very poor tactics on your part.
In short: focus on content, not editors; think about whether you need to get involved in a controverisal issue (IMO no need here, there was enough criticism of Giano's conduct); if you do get involved, focus on that specific incident, not previous conduct of the same persons or presumed allies of the same person. --] (]) 17:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


I have withdrawn from the Plan. I will be available to discuss the implications of dissolving the Plan, and have suggested to Mattisse that such a discussion should take place Monday week, that is Monday 22nd Feb. I will also be available to comment if requested if the ArbCom case is reopened. But other than that I am no longer part of the Plan, nor am I a mentor or advisor to Mattisse; though I am still available to her as a friend and fellow editor. I will leave a notice about this on my talkpage, but do not feel that a formal notification to ArbCom need take place until the final decision is made regarding the future of the Plan. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 11:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
], I just checked the and your name does not appear there (I have not checked for any of your actual or alleged socks). It's unclear what the grounds for your complaint are against Mattisse. --] (]) 17:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:At any point when a user sees another user potentially behaving inappropriately, they should be able to intervene (and, I think, this is most especially true when the user in question is under mentorship due to previous inappropriate behavior). ] (]) 17:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Monitoring record

2010 Haiti earthquake contributions and indefinite ban from the article

Summary: A summary of events (by User:SilkTork) can be found here. Commenting advisors have agreed that Mattisse had made excellent contributions to the article and was working well in collaboration with other editors when a minor comment suggesting article ownership escalated into several threads in which Mattisse engaged in inappropriate behaviour contrary to her Plan: . This also led to an Alert being raised by SandyGeorgia here.

Outcome: Mattisse is banned indefinitely from editing 2010 Haiti earthquake and its talk page. Advice for Mattisse related to this issue has been provided on her talk page by Geometry guy. The ban may be lifted by any advisor/mentor on request from Mattisse, or following discussion on the monitoring talk page, provided it is clear that Mattisse has understood how and where her behaviour became problematic and that she will avoid such behaviour in the future.

Talkpage comments

It was brought to my attention that Mattisse was making provocative comments on Malleus's talkpage. She was advised to stop - User_talk:Mattisse#Suggestion - which she did. However, she has been specifically warned against making such comments. I had given her a warning two months ago, after an incident involving Malleus, in which I stated that if she made comments on another Misplaced Pages I would block her for 24 hours.

I think we need to talk further about this incident and its implications. SilkTork * 10:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. In this incident Mattisse comments at 3 discusions but a lot of posts, see the contribs.
As I said to Mattisse, I thought I'd seen a cycle that could be used to avert trouble, but this incident is only 9 dates since the last one (April Fool TFA). Does any other advisors have ideas on how to avert trouble?
If no, I suggest we recommend that Mattisse compiled a list of incidents from (?) the start of Sep 2009 (i.e. after the lynch mob when goes away) and objective described what happened and why. If that is compiled, I suggest it be send to advisors via email, and the only other parties who should have access is ArbCom members, and then only by email. --Philcha (talk) 15:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I think you are right when you say that Mattisse is the only person who can predict when she is going to get into trouble. We cannot prevent her. We can offer advise as what to do when stressed - such as consult with an advisor, and we can impose sanctions for when she goes against her Plan. But we cannot prevent her from making inappropriate comments. It concerns me that with all the warnings she has received that she continues to repeat the behaviour that has got her into trouble. SilkTork * 15:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I have withdrawn from the Plan. I will be available to discuss the implications of dissolving the Plan, and have suggested to Mattisse that such a discussion should take place Monday week, that is Monday 22nd Feb. I will also be available to comment if requested if the ArbCom case is reopened. But other than that I am no longer part of the Plan, nor am I a mentor or advisor to Mattisse; though I am still available to her as a friend and fellow editor. I will leave a notice about this on my talkpage, but do not feel that a formal notification to ArbCom need take place until the final decision is made regarding the future of the Plan. SilkTork * 11:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)