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Hello Lara, I've just been reflecting on my early days on Misplaced Pages, and what a good team we were. I hope you are Indubitably well, and wish you all the best in every endeavour. '']'' 20:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:Hello Geometry guy! I am, in fact, indubitably well and hope you are! Are you still active here? I so rarely come to Misplaced Pages, and there always seems to be a new feature. Now there is a reply button that doesn't work. Very cool. <big>''']]'''</big> 13:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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::Great to see you again! Its been so long. As far as the Reply tool, I think something in your talkpage template might be interfering with it. I've found that it works well on general pages, but the more heavily customized userpages sometimes give it trouble. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 17:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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::: Hi Lara, I'm pretty dismayed by Misplaced Pages: any pretence at NPOV has been lost, as there is a bias in active contributors on almost every topic. I recently lost my bit for inactivity, which pissed me off a lot. Meanwhile editor numbers seem to have dropped, and so there are many pages that are just piles of cow shit that no one cares about any more. It might be painless to bring such articles to B level, maybe close to GA, so I am experimenting with that idea. Let me know if you are interested in such an adventure. In any case, I hope you are well. '']'' 00:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

:::: No interest in fixing this trash heap for free. <big>''']]'''</big> 16:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

:::: And the reply function still doesn't work. Janky shit. "Heavily customized" because I have some icons and an archive box? Nah, dude. Janky shit. <big>''']]'''</big> 16:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
== Some random thoughts ==
::: Hahaha - thanks for the reply - same old straight-talking Lara! After my desysopping experience, I am loath to do stuff for free here also, but I like to learn about things that interest me. Most recently the origins of life caught my interest, and the articles and templates on WP contradict each other, including some GAs, which is fucking annoying. If I can be bothered to do something about it, I will, but I totally get your perspective! Be well! '']'' 22:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I stumbled upon your page (oddly enough, because I recognized you in ] and didn't know you renamed yet again). Anyhow, I missed the days when we did ]. I hope you're doing well these days. ]] 05:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
I hope you did not know that ] == ] when you placed support #43 on ]. Your effusive comment creates an appearance which I think it might be good for you to dispel.

When I searched the above page for "Jennavecia", I did not get a hit on your support vote. I then realized that the "J" in your signature was another utf-8 character and searched for "ennavecia". As an admin, and for the sake of transparency, it might be good for your signature to include your username.

Thanks, bye. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

: Information came up at ANI that you did know the connection between the two accounts. I've started a discussion about your role in this matter. Please comment. Hopefully there are some sort of unknown circumstances that justify your actions. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::He's my best friend. Get over it. ] 13:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::You and Jehochman seem intent on having a personal discussion about personal failures. Please keep it off ANI. --] (]) 14:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::::God forbid I tarnish the drama board with drama. ] 14:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yes, I know. ANI and WP suck. I get it, I really do. Every now and then, I make an effort to reduce the suck a little bit at the margins.--] (]) 15:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::I prefer to think it's just broken beyond repair, but however you want to word it, I suppose. Although, AN/I does, in fact, suck. ] 15:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::::So how quickly do you thing a redirect to ANI from ] would be deleted? Also, was amazed to find WP:DRAMA has its own page now, instead of the classic redirect to ANI. ] <sup> ] </sup>~<small> ] </small> 15:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::::It's a shame DRAMA doesn't go to AN/I anymore. It was fitting. ] 15:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

ANI does have a purpose; its scope and function have limits. It used to be that non-admin editors were the ones who lost sight of that--not the sysops themselves. Consider the actual subject of that thread: Law/The Undertow. He has his good points; I want to see the fellow make a legitimate return someday like Rootology and Jack Merridew have. Does that become more likely or less likely when sysops engage in mutual recriminations? Wouldn't it be more effective in the long run to ''model'' good behavior?
Admin conduct RfC is thataway. Will be posting a similar message to Jehochman's user talk in a moment. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 15:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:At least you're hitting J's talk page too considering he's the one that distracted from the point. I'll defend myself against attacks regardless of whether or not people like it. ] 15:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::Mae West said it best. "It's not what you do. It's the way you do it." <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 15:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Honey, that's the best that can come from me. A year ago, it would have been a mess of expletives and ranting. I may not turn the bitch switch up to 11 anymore, but there's not turning it off completely. Everything I stated was fact, and I was chill the whole time. Usually laughing, actually, so I'm going to have to conclude that I handled it pretty well. Maybe not the peaches and cream, rainbows and butterflies other people would have put forth, but this is how I am. Everyone should know that by now. I don't deny being a bitch. Drama-mongers shouldn't deny being drama-mongers. ] 15:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I support deleting ]. Jennavecia, I was hoping to get a point across to you, not to start a feud. I am dropping the matter now that you know know how I feel. You don't need to agree with me. Yeah, I have fairly strong feelings about principals and will stand up and say what I think even if it causes a lot of drama. Luckily I wasn't born in the middle of a war or revolution or I'd never have made it 41 years on this planet. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, ya know, I support standing up for what you believe in and passionately fighting for it. So I won't fault you for that specifically, but I certainly don't appreciate being a target in a matter where there's no administrative action to be made, so instead it distracts from the matter at hand. At least it's over now, though. Thanks for the note. ] 15:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::I hope you notice that I stood up for your friend. He should not be banned. The best thing he could do is make a statement acknowledging any mistakes. After a year or two of doing much good work he can go back to RFA. ] did it. I did it. So can he. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::I'm sure he'll make a statement after the dusts settles. But this wasn't about your stance on Chip. This was about you coming after me, as if there was some action to be made because I supported my best friend. ] 15:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:(ec x3) No one is attempting to silence either of you. You're entitled to your opinions and debate is welcome. We're Wikipedians after all; that's what Wikipedians do. It's mainly a question of venue. When an editor comments on an article within the article, we ask them to move it to talk. User talk or policy talk would have been better in this instance, with conduct RfC a possible followup if that failed. ANI's purpose is for airing urgent situations that may need the use of the tools. Neither of you were requesting a block on the other, so that side discussion really would have been better to move elsewhere. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 15:41, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::Fair enough. I respond where I'm engaged, though. Always have. As far as WP being like real estate, you mean it's going under? XD ] 15:44, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I made the mistake of taking out an interest only balloon payment loan. Had trouble meeting the mortgage two years ago. Now it's strictly month to month rental. But hey, you guys are supposed to be building superintendants. go mop the stoop or something. ;) <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 15:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I don't mop or sweep so much. Mostly just collect all the tabloids strewn about and throw them in the garbage. ] 15:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::That was the issue where you were cover story? ;) <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 15:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::No, I framed that one and hung it above Shankbone's bed. (No one will get that reference but him.) ] 15:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== BLP ==

Maybe something to distract from the above and get back to doing important work. ] has a bunch of BLPs in there that should probably be removed if they don't have some very solid sourcing to keep them in the category. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font>] 15:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks. I'll look over that later tonight. I really need to start studying. I have a test tonight. ] 15:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

::Best of luck. Cheers, –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font>] 15:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Inviting comment and discussion.. ==

Hey Lara, I'd like to invite your comment on an essay/discussion I just posted about the whole Law/Undertow etcetera thing
]. I'd appreciate any input you have. ] (]) 17:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:There's no way to fix it. People need to prioritize. This sort of shit simply doesn't matter. It's drama to latch onto. <p>You can't give the blocking/banning policy teeth. It's not in the software. Accounts get blocked, not people. It's not possible. The Citizendium approach is stupid. I can sign up with an infinite number of fake names. The only way to fix it, or come close to, which I have stated many times, is to required domain emails for registration. Of course this doesn't prevent people from creating multiple emails for multiple socks, but not everyone has access to multiple domain emails or has the ability to create them. Along those same lines, not everyone has a domain email to begin with, so ''everyone can edit'' becomes ''everyone with a domain email'' can edit. <p>I don't see anything changing. It's impossible to change much on this project anyway. However, if we had to chose between improving the project at the expense of the community or improving the dynamic of the community at the expense of the project, I think the decision is pretty easy. ] 17:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hello Lara, I've just been reflecting on my early days on Misplaced Pages, and what a good team we were. I hope you are Indubitably well, and wish you all the best in every endeavour. Geometry guy 20:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello Geometry guy! I am, in fact, indubitably well and hope you are! Are you still active here? I so rarely come to Misplaced Pages, and there always seems to be a new feature. Now there is a reply button that doesn't work. Very cool. Indubitably (Talk) 13:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Great to see you again! Its been so long. As far as the Reply tool, I think something in your talkpage template might be interfering with it. I've found that it works well on general pages, but the more heavily customized userpages sometimes give it trouble. The Wordsmith 17:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi Lara, I'm pretty dismayed by Misplaced Pages: any pretence at NPOV has been lost, as there is a bias in active contributors on almost every topic. I recently lost my bit for inactivity, which pissed me off a lot. Meanwhile editor numbers seem to have dropped, and so there are many pages that are just piles of cow shit that no one cares about any more. It might be painless to bring such articles to B level, maybe close to GA, so I am experimenting with that idea. Let me know if you are interested in such an adventure. In any case, I hope you are well. Geometry guy 00:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
No interest in fixing this trash heap for free. Indubitably (Talk) 16:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
And the reply function still doesn't work. Janky shit. "Heavily customized" because I have some icons and an archive box? Nah, dude. Janky shit. Indubitably (Talk) 16:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Hahaha - thanks for the reply - same old straight-talking Lara! After my desysopping experience, I am loath to do stuff for free here also, but I like to learn about things that interest me. Most recently the origins of life caught my interest, and the articles and templates on WP contradict each other, including some GAs, which is fucking annoying. If I can be bothered to do something about it, I will, but I totally get your perspective! Be well! Geometry guy 22:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I stumbled upon your page (oddly enough, because I recognized you in File:Bathrobe pwns.gif and didn't know you renamed yet again). Anyhow, I missed the days when we did Good article sweeps. I hope you're doing well these days. OhanaUnited 05:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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