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	{{Rquote\|right\|This page is a place for my advisers/mentors to monitor my problematic behavior, per ]. I am expected to address all concerns raised here, and will continue to interact over any specific issue raised, until a satisfactory solution is reached acceptable to all. Until that point, I will not continue the behavior in question or continue interaction on whatever page/article it is occurring, unless OKed by YellowMonkey or Art LePella regarding FAR or DYK. —] (]) 15:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)}}

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	*] has offered to report on Mattisse's contributions to DYK at my ArbCom > Workshop > Development of advising/mentoring plan. Please contact him if my behavior at FAR is disruptive. He can be contacted if any of Mattisse's contributions to DYK are causing or are likely to cause disruption; this is not a substitute for alerting editors here. Notifying Art LePella was accepted by Arbcom as a monitoring method.
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	*] has stated at my ArbCom > Workshop > Development of advising/mentoring plan > monitoring (under Art LaPella's statement) that he does not put up with unruly behavior at FAR. He encouraged her continue participating in FAR. He can be contacted if any of Mattisse's contributions to FAR are causing or are likely to cause disruption; this is not a substitute for alerting editors here. Notifying YellowMonkey was accepted by Arbcom as a monitoring method.

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	* Philcha and Geometry guy are active in the GA process. They can be alerted here if any of Mattisse's contributions to GAN or GAR are causing or are likely to cause disruption.

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	== Problematic addition at AC/N ==

			'''Summary''': A summary of events (by ]) can be found . Commenting advisors have agreed that Mattisse had made excellent contributions to the article and was working well in collaboration with other editors when a minor comment suggesting article ownership escalated into several threads in which Mattisse engaged in inappropriate behaviour contrary to her Plan: . This also led to an Alert being raised by ] .
	]] 23:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
	:You're right, it didn't exactly help. But there is a question here as to whether most any other comment on that thread was "productive" either. An infraction, yes, but there is a question as to whether Mattisse should be singled out for taking part in a joke, which appears to be what she is doing here. And I don't really see any comments on the motivations of any parties. Calling the unspecified subject a "joke ArbCom (sic)" seems at worst more a generic criticism than any attempt to speculate on the motivations of others. But I could be wrong, and I'd welcome any other input. ] (]) 00:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

			'''Outcome''': Mattisse is banned indefinitely from editing ] and its talk page. Advice for Mattisse related to this issue has been provided by ]. The ban may be lifted by any advisor/mentor on request from Mattisse, or following discussion on the monitoring talk page, provided it is clear that Mattisse has understood how and where her behaviour became problematic and that she will avoid such behaviour in the future.
	::"There are none so blind as those who will not see." --] ] 00:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
	:::Is the above comment supposed to make any form of sense, I wonder? I certainly cannot see how the quotation without amplification makes any sort of sense. Could you perhaps say something directly relevant to this situation, rather than quoting? ] (]) 00:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
	::::I'm not convinced...actually, I'm wholly unconvinced that Mattisse is adept at satire and that that post was a joke. I think she's serious. --] (]) 00:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

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	::::Yes, it was directly addressed to you John. You appear to be completely blind to what is going on here. Time that you wised up I think. --] ] 01:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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			It was brought to my attention that Mattisse was making provocative comments on Malleus's talkpage. She was advised to stop - ] - which she did. However, she has been specifically warned against making such comments. I had given her a two months ago, after an incident involving Malleus, in which I stated that if she made comments on another Misplaced Pages I would block her for 24 hours.
	::::: It was meant as a joke, but it is true that I am wholly incapable of understanding what is a joke on Misplaced Pages and what is not. You are saying that was not a joke thread, so making a joke was inappropriate of me? I can't tell what is real and what is not. Regards, —] (]) 00:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Put it to the ]. Or to ]. Usually good guidance from application of those standards. ] (]) 00:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
	:It didn't read as a joke to me. It struck me as veiled griping about the Geogre thing again. The thread to that point basically consisted of people teasing each other. Mattisse's comment didn't strike me that way. Anyway, I just saw it as something that was potentially quite problematic, so I posted it here. Do with it what you will. ]] 00:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
	::Geogre? He never crossed my mind. How is he involved in this? He did not have jokes, as far as I know. —] (]) 01:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
	:::Mattisse's comments about her previous "jokes" regarding Bishonen indicate to me that, if true, her sense of humor is markedly different than my own, and that is why I personally reserve judgement. I acknowledge that others will see things the way they are inclined to, including me. The earnestness of the comment "I'm smiling", etc., is one of the factors in making me think it may have been intended as a joke to maybe "break the ice", and I could certainly understand the motivation behind that. The fact that the thread is about Risker, who was associated with Geogre, is a concern, and the comment could be taken, even by me, as a bit of a "dig" into Risker, or maybe Bishonen, or ArbCom, or whoever the comment is about, I'm not honestly sure there. However, I acknowledge the potential ambiguity, or, at least to me, the very real ambiguity, of the comment. If nothing else, I might suggest refraining from jokes which might be interpreted as "cutting". The downside there is, of course, that many jokes are insulting to someone at some level. So, like I said, I'm leaning toward taking her at her word here, but acknowledge that the joke, if that is what it was, could, maybe, have been funnier and more obviously an attempt at humor? If it was not intended as a joke, however, I would agree that "cutting humor" is probably a bad idea for anyone, including Mattisse, and would urge her to refrain from it. ] (]) 01:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
	:::::You're very trusting, that's all I'll say. Given the context, who the thread was about, and the fact that it wasn't in the least bit funny, you're very trusting. ]] 02:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
	:::: I obviously don't belong to the "culture" that pervades Misplaced Pages. I am one of those editors that does not "fit in" to the pervailing class that make profane and other obnoxious "jokes" constantly. Does that I am excluded from ever making a comment? As far as I know, my content contributions have been gratefully accepted. Is the problem that I am not of the "class" that is allowed to comment? Regards, —] (]) 01:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

			I think we need to talk further about this incident and its implications. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 10:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
	:Mattisse, funny or not, the comments were not opportune or timely. I'm sure that you can look at the people involved and see that there would only be a negative reaction. Please be more careful next time and don't make yourself vulnerable by making such comments. ] (]) 02:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

			:I agree. In this incident Mattisse comments at 3 discusions but a lot of posts, see .
	::When I first started giving talks, I was advised: "Never tell a joke with a victim" and "Never tell a joke unless you know and understand your audience's sense of humor." ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 03:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
			:As I said to , I thought I'd seen a cycle that could be used to avert trouble, but this incident is only 9 dates since the last one (April Fool TFA). Does any other advisors have ideas on how to avert trouble?
			:If no, I suggest we recommend that Mattisse compiled a list of incidents from (?) the start of Sep 2009 (i.e. after the lynch mob when goes away) and ''objective'' described what happened and why. If that is compiled, I suggest it be send to advisors via email, and the only other parties who should have access is ArbCom members, and then only by email. --] (]) 15:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

			::I think you are right when you say that Mattisse is the only person who can predict when she is going to get into trouble. We cannot prevent her. We can offer advise as what to do when stressed - such as consult with an advisor, and we can impose sanctions for when she goes against her Plan. But we cannot prevent her from making inappropriate comments. It concerns me that with all the warnings she has received that she continues to repeat the behaviour that has got her into trouble. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 15:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
	:::Mattisse, your was - well, not very sensible:
	:::*It did not focus on the content - in this case it was hard to see whether there was any content, and that should have been a warning sign.
	:::*It refers to incidents (joke socks, joke blocks) that got you into trouble.
	:::*Some prior posts in that discussion was by an editor with whom you've had trouble (including one of your "monitoring" discussions that the editor in question phrased in a very hostile way). Despite ], I think it likely that editors with whom you've had conflict are mor elikely to interpret your words unfavourably.
	:::*While you're an excellent editor, you don't (so far) seem to be good at jokes in the WP environment.
	:::Right now I don't see a need any remedial action from you. For example your comments contain no phrases that should be rephrased. So for now I think you should simply avoid such unnecessary risks. --] (]) 06:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

	I ~~support~~ ~~Philcha's~~ comment. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 09:02, 13 ~~October~~ ~~2009~~ (UTC)		I have withdrawn from the Plan. I will be available to discuss the implications of dissolving the Plan, and have suggested to Mattisse that such a discussion should take place Monday week, that is Monday 22nd Feb. I will also be available to comment if requested if the ArbCom case is reopened. But other than that I am no longer part of the Plan, nor am I a mentor or advisor to Mattisse; though I am still available to her as a friend and fellow editor. I will leave a notice about this on my talkpage, but do not feel that a formal notification to ArbCom need take place until the final decision is made regarding the future of the Plan. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 11:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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2010 Haiti earthquake contributions and indefinite ban from the article

Summary: A summary of events (by User:SilkTork) can be found here. Commenting advisors have agreed that Mattisse had made excellent contributions to the article and was working well in collaboration with other editors when a minor comment suggesting article ownership escalated into several threads in which Mattisse engaged in inappropriate behaviour contrary to her Plan: . This also led to an Alert being raised by SandyGeorgia here.

Outcome: Mattisse is banned indefinitely from editing 2010 Haiti earthquake and its talk page. Advice for Mattisse related to this issue has been provided on her talk page by Geometry guy. The ban may be lifted by any advisor/mentor on request from Mattisse, or following discussion on the monitoring talk page, provided it is clear that Mattisse has understood how and where her behaviour became problematic and that she will avoid such behaviour in the future.

Talkpage comments

It was brought to my attention that Mattisse was making provocative comments on Malleus's talkpage. She was advised to stop - User_talk:Mattisse#Suggestion - which she did. However, she has been specifically warned against making such comments. I had given her a warning two months ago, after an incident involving Malleus, in which I stated that if she made comments on another Misplaced Pages I would block her for 24 hours.

I think we need to talk further about this incident and its implications. SilkTork * 10:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. In this incident Mattisse comments at 3 discusions but a lot of posts, see the contribs.

As I said to Mattisse, I thought I'd seen a cycle that could be used to avert trouble, but this incident is only 9 dates since the last one (April Fool TFA). Does any other advisors have ideas on how to avert trouble?

If no, I suggest we recommend that Mattisse compiled a list of incidents from (?) the start of Sep 2009 (i.e. after the lynch mob when goes away) and objective described what happened and why. If that is compiled, I suggest it be send to advisors via email, and the only other parties who should have access is ArbCom members, and then only by email. --Philcha (talk) 15:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I think you are right when you say that Mattisse is the only person who can predict when she is going to get into trouble. We cannot prevent her. We can offer advise as what to do when stressed - such as consult with an advisor, and we can impose sanctions for when she goes against her Plan. But we cannot prevent her from making inappropriate comments. It concerns me that with all the warnings she has received that she continues to repeat the behaviour that has got her into trouble. SilkTork * 15:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I have withdrawn from the Plan. I will be available to discuss the implications of dissolving the Plan, and have suggested to Mattisse that such a discussion should take place Monday week, that is Monday 22nd Feb. I will also be available to comment if requested if the ArbCom case is reopened. But other than that I am no longer part of the Plan, nor am I a mentor or advisor to Mattisse; though I am still available to her as a friend and fellow editor. I will leave a notice about this on my talkpage, but do not feel that a formal notification to ArbCom need take place until the final decision is made regarding the future of the Plan. SilkTork * 11:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)