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== The state of Indian media ==

A thought-provoking interview of Rajdeep Sardesai . I remember him being cocky about it a year or two ago. Now he sounds completely despondent. -- ] (]) 19:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, about 9 to 10 years ago, Indian media became deprecated. ] (]) 15:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::Please see ] and ]. ] (]) 15:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::Even on Misplaced Pages they are mostly ], not to mention how most of them ]. - ] (]) 15:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:This month, Caravan News18 and it cannot be nearer to truth. they have pushed on Sambhal Mosque boggles my mind. Probably, nothing except The Indian Express, The Hindu, and The Dainik Bhaskar are worth relying upon anymore. ] (]) 17:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:: The freedom allowed for each media house has been circumscribed individually. Nobody is immune. Even we are not. -- ] (]) 10:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Greeshma Kuthar, a freelance journalist who in my opinion produced the best reporting on the ], also made a lot of remarks on the state of media coverage in . There is also of the interview.

She didn't get into it in the interview, but revealed on twitter several times that she had a lot of difficulty getting her articles published even after she wrote them. We can only imagine why. -- ] (]) 12:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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<blockquote>'''Unreferenced and unimproved 15 years. No reliable sources online Google news, newspapers, books, or scholar. Run of the mill, very small village. What little is on the page is trivia. Not enough useful information to merge.'''</blockquote>

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:Added a ref, de-prodded since it now meets ], and removed unsourced fluff from the article. The same ref can now be used for any unreferenced article about a village in ]. -] (]) 05:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
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== ] of ] ==
== iloveindia.com ==
]


The article ] has been ]&#32;because of the following concern:
There are a large number of "references" being added to articles without edit summary from an IP number that seem to me to be intended to promote an external website rather than as an actual source for the articles they are being added to. For examples see . See ]. Before commencing a lot of deletions, I thought it should be discussed here. If there is a consensus that these links should be deleted, is there a simple way to do a mass reversion?--<small>] | ]</small> 19:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
<blockquote>'''Unreferenced and unimproved 15 years. The ] does not exist any more, and the ] subdivision does not exist. Unverified, run of the mill, very small village. Not enough information to merge.'''</blockquote>
* Iloveindia.com was used by me because it was a great source. There is no other intentions. It is a great link that is why I used it. These is no reason that it should be deleted. I did a great amount of clean up work as well and I don't want them to get undone. Please keep them as it is! Also if you wish to delete the iloveindia.com reference will the other clean up edits I made be erased? (] (]) 20:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC))


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::IP, I noticed that you were doing some very useful cleanup work on several India related articles, and even left a welcome message on your talk page earlier today. Unfortunately www.iloveindia.com is just another generic website, and we have no way to be confident if the information it hosts is reliable or not (see ] for the type of sources we consider reliable on wikipedia). Therefore we need to remove citations to this website that you added in good-faith, but there is no reason for us to undo any of your other clean-up work. In fact would you be willing to remove the links yourself ? You can access the list of pages you edited at ]. I would also recommend getting an ] on wikipedia, which will make both editing and communications easier. Cheers. ] (]) 21:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
* I have removed all the iloveindia.com reference. (] (]) 23:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC))
:::It looks like there are left although I have not examined them to see which user has added them. They should all go. --<small>] | ]</small> 00:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Hi, 159.91,151.97! It looks like you're making some good progress on your editing technique! But I would agree with KenWalker that iloveindia.com isn't a reliable reference. A number of the articles I looked at seemed very casual or informal. (At random, I just picked "How to Watch Birds" . Statements such as "thoroughly enjoyed by people of all age groups" are ] and "make sure that you stick to certain tips" isn't even correct English.) In that article there are no citations, no references, no links, no date, no author. Reliable references need things such as those. Otherwise, Regards ] (]) 13:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


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== ] - more eyes please ==


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:@] Not sure if you saw the comment for the other proposed deletion of ], but looks like these villages articles may meet ]. I am not quite clear after reading ], but I am guessing that they need to be kept and not deleted. ] (]) 22:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
I've been copyediting this page for some time now. Another editor is making good-faith amendments (he is a successful student from one of these schools) but his edits are a bit NPOV. I would appreciate it if someone with a bit more knowledge of the Indian schools system (particularly in Delhi) could give this article a look; as there are only the two of us currently editing it's potentially a bit confrontational, and I don't want to discourage the other editor. Thanks. &nbsp;<span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">]</span><sub style="text-shadow: 3px 3px 3px rgba(255,255,0,0.75); color: #c30;">].</sub> 20:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
::I can't emphasize enough that it's very important that you need to put in a source before it can be deprodded. If you insist, and want to be difficult, I'll take it to ]. Again, the easy-peasy approach is to add a reference. Thank you for improving this project. ] (]) 01:26, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hey. Just checking quickly, your most recent edit here is "good" . You added a reference, dated it, and removed the original research phrase "came as an exception to the image of government schools with the best of facilities". The smallest bit of caution: my guess is the original research phrase is correct. I don't know about Indian schools, and that phrase was highly useful to me. If it could have been "saved" by adding a reliable reference, or by moderating the statement, that would have been optimal. Best Regards, ] (]) 14:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::@] Oh I too support the proposed deletion for this page and other such minimally developed unsourced pages! But I was just highlighting what I saw & mentioned by the other editor regarding ]. ] (]) 12:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)


== ] of ] ==
== ], ], and ] ==
]


The article ] has been ]&#32;because of the following concern:
I noticed an addition to the Darjeeling page stating that Darjeeling was a part of Nepal and was ceded to India under the Sugauli Treaty in 1819, but the article also says that the area was leased by the British from the Chogyal of Sikkim in 1839 and these two pieces of information are contradictory. The leasing from Sikkim is cited, but I am not confident about the quality of that source. I trimmed some or from the sugauli treaty part but would appreciate it if someone with more knowledge about this could take a look at it.
<blockquote>'''Fails ] and ]. Several searches with Google and sub-engines show nothing besides social media posts and ], which both fail ]. TL;DR, no sources, no notability.'''</blockquote>


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As a follow-up, I searched JSTOR for Sugauli Treaty and all I could find was an Economic and Political Weekly article that indicated that all the territory seized by the British was subsequently returned (see my note on ]). The ] article makes similar claims about the treaty (though, this may be ok because the article is about a movement and claiming that the movement rests on a belief says nothing about the veracity of that belief). Again, if someone who knows something about this can take a look, that would be great. --] <small>(])</small> 19:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


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:According to Darjeeling was ceded to to the EIC on Feb 1st 1835. It's just a listing though and doesn't have treaty details. ] (]) 19:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


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: (1894) confirms the cession (not lease) of Darjeeling in Feb 1835, with some details of the circumstances. Is this good enough ? ] (]) 19:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


P.S. So many PRODed article messages here. ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 05:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
The actual history as it relates to Darjeeling is much more complex than what I said above, and involves the Treaties of Segauli (1816), Titaliya (1817), Tunlong (1861) and Sinchulia (1865) besides the 1835 bit I mentioned, and some fighting in 1849-50. See (pages 47-48) and for more gory details (the dates in the two don't match up exactly but I guess that is because of the differnce in the timings of the skirmishes, signing of the treaties, transfer of land etc.) ] (]) 19:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:That's interesting. EB1911 says that Darjeeling was taken by the British by the 1816 treaty and handed over to Sikkim (apparently because Nepal had 'wrested' the region from Sikkim at an earlier unstated date). So, I guess Darjeeling was a part of the Sugauli treaty after all though apparently not in the way it is currently described. --] <small>(])</small> 21:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmm, that's interesting. I never delved so much into the history during the improvement of the article (back in 2006). So, what do you guys suggest? Do you need to change anything in the History portion of ] article? Or, any change in ]? What needs to be removed is that additional small sub-paragraph from History segment of ] article (and discussion in talk page in case of any dispute). Also, the article ] definitely needs copy-edit, and use of more encyclopedic language.--] (]) 14:50, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::: It does appear that the treaty of 1816 affected the status of Darjeeling, so that is a useful addition to the history of Darjeeling and that part of the subpara should be corrected and merged into the main history section (a separate connection with Nepal is unnecessary). I agree that the Sugauli Treaty is a bit of a mess and needs cleaning up and verification (I'm not sure if the treaty is better called ] - some legwork may be necessary. --] <small>(])</small> 20:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


:We Wikipedians are in the process of cleaning up a 15-year backlog of unsourced and unimproved articles. I plan to take a two-week break over the Christmas holidays, but I'm still volunteering on my birthday. ] (]) 14:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
== Help needed reading the Dravidian language ==
::Left unsaid is that many of the single purpose accounts who created these articles and pages are no longer volunteering. It's an excellent example of ]. ] (]) 14:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)


== More eyes at ] please ==
Please see the ]. Can someone read the text and tell description of the deities written on the plank, or at least their names in sequence from top to bottom. I want to separate the images so that they can be used in the ] articles. Thanks. --] <sup> ] </sup> 17:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:Can't read Telugu, but here's what I've been able to identify (or at least think I've identified):
:*1 - ] (Guruvu/Jupiter)
:*2 - ] (Budhudu/Mercury)
:*3 - ] (Shukrudu/Venus)
:*4 - ] (Kujudu/Mars)<ref></ref>
:*5 - ] (Rahuvu/North Lunar Node)
:*6 - ] (Chandrudu/Moon)
:*7 - ] (Ravi/Sun)
:*8 - ] (Kethuvu/South Lunar Node)
:*9 - ] (Sani/Saturn)
:anyone, feel free to correct if I've made an error :) cheers. -]''']''' 17:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Is it Telugu? Identifying them like thsi would be ]. PLease somebody read the planks. --] <sup> ] </sup> 05:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


See ] regarding the page protection. Would be good if some experienced editors could add the article to their watchlist. ] (]) 19:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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:I can read Telugu. I had a difficult time with Kujudu, but was able to find a reference. HTH. Regards, <font color="navy">] (])</font> 10:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC) :Done, also welcome back! {{Ping|Abecedare}}. - ] (]) 00:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Saw the lion and id'd 5 as Budha, didn't pay attention to the snake lower body! -]''']''' 19:17, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Thanks, Everyone. ] also left a message on my talk, confirming the list. --] <sup> ] </sup> 03:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


== ] ==
== New Pages - Indian villages and towns ==


Expert input needed please at ], thanks. ] (]) 16:10, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
There have been a large number of articles added recently about small villages and towns in India. Do they warrant inclusion into the project? I can start tagging them all as I patrol them if you'd like. ] (]) 15:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Villages and towns are inherently notable and are covered by the gazetteer function of our ]. Also see ]. The pages will not get deleted without an AfD, and even then only if they are not verifiable. cheers. -]''']''' 15:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::Right, I was asking if I should tag them as part of ] or wait until they're more substantial. I assume the whole point of the project is to better flesh articles like these out, but I figured I'd ask first. ] (]) 15:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah, sorry; when anyone says tag, I assume they mean "tag for deletion". Tagging the WP project will be helpful, but I think ] runs a bot that tags pages if they have the necessary categories on them. cheers. -]''']''' 15:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Gotcha. I'll let the bot do its thing then, no sense jumping in and ruining any consistency. Take care. ] (]) 15:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


== Collaborate on ]? == == ] ==


I can't find any English language sources. Can you please help? ] (]) 04:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Anyone interested in collaborating on ] with a GA goal? I'm having a tough time finding biographical sources on my own, and can use some serious help on this article. cheers. -]''']''' 19:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


:I didn't get any results searching on . Searching for "konam" only gives 2 results, neither of which are in Tamil Nadu. -] (]) 07:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
== Featured list candidate ==


== Bechar Bhadani ==
] is a candidate for FL status. ]. cheers. -]''']''' 06:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


I'd be grateful for any pointers about the notability or otherwise of this Gujarati politician ]. I came across the article during my general monitoring of unreferenced BLPs, and declined a BLPPROD on the basis that there was one source and a subsequent PROD on the basis that there were some potentially reasonable looking sources on the first page of a Google search. I will look into those a bit more, but if anyone had better knowledge of the subject and could give an informal "yeah, notable" or "no, almost certainly not notable" I would appreciate it (this is not an area of expertise for me!). Cheers, ] (]) 10:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
== ] ==


== Good article reassessment for ] ==
Would an appropriate start to the movement be in 1857 or 1885? Should the ] form a part of the movement itself or be considered as the background to it? Different sources make different claims, so I'm not sure as to how to structure this (the article's existing - and unreferenced - position is to consider 1857 as the start of the movement). Please help out by providing inputs on the ]. Regards, ] (]) 14:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 19:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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A thought-provoking interview of Rajdeep Sardesai . I remember him being cocky about it a year or two ago. Now he sounds completely despondent. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, about 9 to 10 years ago, Indian media became deprecated. Bearian (talk) 15:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Please see Misplaced Pages:ICTFSOURCES and User:Ms Sarah Welch/sandbox/Paid news and private treaties. Bearian (talk) 15:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Even on Misplaced Pages they are mostly unusable for establishing any form of notability, not to mention how most of them support the ruling party. - Ratnahastin (talk) 15:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
This month, Caravan profiled News18 and it cannot be nearer to truth. The amount of ludicrous junk they have pushed on Sambhal Mosque boggles my mind. Probably, nothing except The Indian Express, The Hindu, and The Dainik Bhaskar are worth relying upon anymore. Upd Edit (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
The freedom allowed for each media house has been circumscribed individually. Nobody is immune. Even we are not. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Greeshma Kuthar, a freelance journalist who in my opinion produced the best reporting on the Manipur violence, also made a lot of remarks on the state of media coverage in an interview with Frontliine. There is also full transcript of the interview.

She didn't get into it in the interview, but revealed on twitter several times that she had a lot of difficulty getting her articles published even after she wrote them. We can only imagine why. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Added a ref, de-prodded since it now meets WP:NGEO, and removed unsourced fluff from the article. The same ref can now be used for any unreferenced article about a village in Jalgaon district. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Bearian Not sure if you saw the comment for the other proposed deletion of Gandhali, but looks like these villages articles may meet WP:NGEO. I am not quite clear after reading WP:NGEO, but I am guessing that they need to be kept and not deleted. Asteramellus (talk) 22:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
I can't emphasize enough that it's very important that you need to put in a source before it can be deprodded. If you insist, and want to be difficult, I'll take it to WP:AfD. Again, the easy-peasy approach is to add a reference. Thank you for improving this project. Bearian (talk) 01:26, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
@Bearian Oh I too support the proposed deletion for this page and other such minimally developed unsourced pages! But I was just highlighting what I saw & mentioned by the other editor regarding WP:NGEO. Asteramellus (talk) 12:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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P.S. So many PRODed article messages here. Sparkle and Fade edits 05:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

We Wikipedians are in the process of cleaning up a 15-year backlog of unsourced and unimproved articles. I plan to take a two-week break over the Christmas holidays, but I'm still volunteering on my birthday. Bearian (talk) 14:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Left unsaid is that many of the single purpose accounts who created these articles and pages are no longer volunteering. It's an excellent example of Brandolini's law. Bearian (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

More eyes at Zakir Hussain please

See my note regarding the page protection. Would be good if some experienced editors could add the article to their watchlist. Abecedare (talk) 19:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Done, also welcome back! @Abecedare:. - Ratnahastin (talk) 00:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Banajiga

Expert input needed please at Talk:Balija#Proposed merge of Banajiga into Balija, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 16:10, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Nalloorkonam

I can't find any English language sources. Can you please help? Bearian (talk) 04:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I didn't get any results searching on the indian census site. Searching for "konam" only gives 2 results, neither of which are in Tamil Nadu. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Bechar Bhadani

I'd be grateful for any pointers about the notability or otherwise of this Gujarati politician Bechar Bhadani. I came across the article during my general monitoring of unreferenced BLPs, and declined a BLPPROD on the basis that there was one source and a subsequent PROD on the basis that there were some potentially reasonable looking sources on the first page of a Google search. I will look into those a bit more, but if anyone had better knowledge of the subject and could give an informal "yeah, notable" or "no, almost certainly not notable" I would appreciate it (this is not an area of expertise for me!). Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 10:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Temper (film)

Temper (film) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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