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| | title = Misplaced Pages Editors Very Mad About Jimmy Wales' NFT of a Misplaced Pages Edit | |||
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| | url = https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjbkvm/wikipedia-editors-very-mad-about-jimmy-waless-nft-of-a-wikipedia-edit | |||
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| | quote = The trouble began when Wales posted an announcement about the auction on his user talk page—a kind of message board where users communicate directly with each other. | |||
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| == Flagged revisions == | |||
| edit remained in your BLP for almost 14 hours even though over 800 accounts have the article watchlisted (I'm not one of them). Note that this happened in spite of the article being semi-protected. Perhaps you might have a personal stake in trying to expedite the implementation of a strict version of flagged revisions? ] (]) 04:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :This nonsense is of no consequence to Jimbo's reputation. I am sure Jimbo is more concerned about implementing flagged revisions to protect Misplaced Pages from embarrassment. —] ] 06:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::You think? I'm not normally the tinfoil hat wearing type, but lately my cynical side is thinking that foundation level support is more fiction than reality. ] (]) 06:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Huh? There would be no Misplaced Pages were it not for the server farm, IT staff, administration, and software development that Wikimedia Foundation provides. So you don't think the Foundation gives enough? This whole project, and its sister projects, live solely on the Foundation's charity. If the Foundation ever gets fed up with all the nonsense and drama, they flip a switch, and you can kiss your hobby goodbye. —] ] 09:44, 3 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I think he means foundation-level support of FR, given the long implementation timetable. ] (]) 17:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Yes, that is exactly my meaning. ] (]) 03:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::I already strongly support the introduction of Flagged Revs to the English Misplaced Pages as soon as possible.--] (]) 08:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| * I can't say that it's the way it's going to be, but for those who haven't looked at it yet - there is a test version of sorts available at: . It might be worthwhile to have a look and provide any feedback to "the powers that be". Cheers to all. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 18:54, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == ANI handling == | |||
| Admins don't like wikipedia policies. When will this end? --] (]) 14:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Admins are not compelled to like policies, only to respect and apply them. ]] 13:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == A project you might be interested in == | |||
| Hi. I've recently initiated an ] which will, in theory, help to support and rejuvenate the enwiki community. I'm looking to get a handful of people to get it off the ground, so what are your thoughts on this? Regards, –''']''' | ] 17:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Sounds far too much like ]. We killed that once, we don't need a re-run.--] 19:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Quote from project page: ''It should be noted that this project is only similar to Misplaced Pages:Esperanza in that its general premise is to support volunteers; it does not intend to repeat the issues tied to Esperanza.'' --] <small>] |]</small> 19:22, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::The "issues toed to Esparanza" was that it existed.--] 19:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I don't agree. Esperanza had a lot of problems. The idea of supporting volunteers is a great one - if done in ways that are consistent with, you know, actually supporting volunteers. :-) --] (]) 19:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I must admit, I had no interaction with Esperanza when it was active. I looked at the archived talk pages and was surprised by the discussion and bureaucracy that went on. I am wary but feel a project with a quiet but firm insistence on informality and discussion (and good structure of ''talk'' and ''process'' pages rather than layers of users) could function markedly differently - i.e. open to all, users are only differentiated by activity and there is no 'council' to speak of. ] (] '''·''' ]) 22:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| "Supporting volunteers" is, naturally, an idea that no-one will oppose. If anyone has concrete ideas on how we can do that, then everyone should be open to them. I'm just less convinced that a new group or project is the way to go. Two reasons: 1) Good ideas are good ideas, organisations and governments generally set up special groups when they have a lack of any ideas. If people have good ideas, there are currently lots of avenues open to them to propose and develop them. So I don't see what good the project does (although it may otherwise be perfectly harmless). 2) The ESP experience was not only negative because it was obsessed with its own structures, it was also negative in that it create a feeling that there were a self-appointed group of moral guardians running about rudely telling people to be civil - which certainly did not aid in creating a supportive environment (granted, most of them were well-meaning). | |||
| I suspect I'm also suspicious of moves that begin with vaguely pointing at current dramas and tensions and suggesting that they are evidence of some new deterioration and that things would be better if we could rewind to some golden age. Are things worse? What's the evidence of that? I remember far more drama in the past, and far more incivility. What is really needed to kick off any reform is a more sophisticated identification of what the problem is that one is trying to tackle. People are people, rudeness is rudeness; it has always been that way. If anyone can mitigate against some of that - good luck to them, but until there's some specifics there's nothing much to discuss.--] 23:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :We-ell, discussion of civility has been floating around since last December, and once some arb stuff had settled, I threw up this - ] - to see what the lay of the land was (i.e. try to get a broader view rather than a vocal minority). Views conflicted but there ''did'' seem to be some consensus on problems with areas concerning new users. Coupled with some data about fall off in new editors, led to me kicking off ], which has led to more discussion, but no consensus on direction really. Might be time to revisit the page, which I haven't done in a while. ] (] '''·''' ]) 02:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Trouble on WP: an open letter == | |||
| Dear Mr. Wales: | |||
| This letter is an alert, and a request for action in relation to disruption on Misplaced Pages that discourages good faith editors. | |||
| I am a well-credentialed contributor to WP under the user name ], a Fellow of the IEEE, a former research scientist at Bell Laboratories, a former Editor-in-chief of IEEE Electron Device Letters, a professor of EE at the University of Arizona, and the author of technical books and articles. I don't think WP wishes to loose such editors. I have however grown such a distaste for interaction with the WP environment that I have decided to withdraw for the time being. | |||
| There are two major problems: one is lack of control of incivility, and the other is Administrators run amok. | |||
| As for the first, talk-page guidelines such as ] ] ] ] and others are flaunted. These violations are ignored by administrators, who even make violations themselves. The use of bans, and threats to ban, are applied unequally by administrators to sway the balance of talk-page discussion, making them bullying participants rather than administrators. The disruptions by uncivil editors and the interference by administrators make open discussion on talk-pages difficult or impossible , and these unwarranted activities encourage intolerance of even sourced mainstream opinion. | |||
| As for the second, administrators have lost sight of their roles. Administrators must be reminded that they don't run WP, they moderate it. Their role is to catalyze open discussion of sourced material, the backbone of WP, not to intrude their own preferences. Whether administrators are simply inept or subject to ''la folie des grandeurs'', it is inexcusable for administrators to be unreflective, belligerent, and cavalier about WP welfare. A mutual admiration society is not healthy. I have proposed some ] for administrators . | |||
| This matter has reached a point where careful review of administrators' actions is mandatory to avoid destruction of WP. It is insufficient to simply repeat to administrators their responsibilities. Some direct action is needed, and some administrators must be removed from their positions to underline the seriousness of these duties. Perhaps a committee can initiate review, which will take some time. A simpler, and possibly effective action, would add an additional approach for administrator recall to those ], an approach allowing easier removal of administrators who fail to execute their duties impartially, and do not observe and enforce guidelines . | |||
| These matters are serious, and a letter cannot explain them adequately. Upon request, I'd be delighted to augment my description of the intolerance to open discussion outlined above with details from the recent ]. Although this particular case was completely mishandled, I wish to emphasize that I have little interest in overturning the remedies imposed there. I am highlighting this case, with which I am very familiar, simply as a blatant example of biased and uncomprehending lack of judgment on the part of administrators, where their laxity in enforcing guidelines led to a complete circus on ], and indeed, in the conduct of the case itself. | |||
| I hope action will be taken that restores a cooperative editing atmosphere on WP. I wish for WP's ultimate success in achieving a healthy editing environment, but prompt and decisive action is needed. | |||
| Regards, | |||
| == Seasonal greetings :) == | |||
| John R Brews | |||
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| '''Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this ]. Spread the ] by wishing another user a ] and a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. <br />Happy editing,'''<br /> | |||
| — Benison <small>(] · ])</small> 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ''{{resize|96%|Spread the love by adding {{tls|Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.}}'' | |||
| == Check this out! == | |||
| |}<span id="Benison:1734890634947:User_talkFTTCLNJimbo_Wales" class="FTTCmt">— Benison <small>(] · ])</small> 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</span> | |||
| == Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc. == | |||
| Check out my ]! ] (]) 01:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to {{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old2}} with ], so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "{{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old}}" was ]. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see ]! I hope this is all OK with you. | |||
| == More convenient replacement for the tag "ref" == | |||
| It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So ] is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the ], a ] about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a ] of ] on ]! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon ] (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but ]. | |||
| ]] | |||
| Hello. I've made a new script instead of tags <nowiki><ref></nowiki> in "scientific" style (but compatible with it and any other markup). | |||
| It's simpler than tags "ref", for this example: | |||
| As noted in various places like ], your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). ] (]) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| <tt></tt> in a body of the article, and | |||
| :Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. ] (]) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| <tt></tt> and description of a book - in the "Bibliography" section. | |||
| ::No worries. My Christmas gifts are ], as I realised later. ] (]) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| * Backlinks highlighted in yellow (button "Back" in browser can be used to find backlink and not interrupt the reading). | |||
| * It's compatible with any other wiki markup, but need to use {{tl|SciRefsOn}} in any part of the article to turn script on (precaution for compatibility, if there any articles have sequence in their text). | |||
| * Not cluttered article text with tags "ref". | |||
| * This reference style corresponds to the convention of scientific literature. | |||
| <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> {{Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2024-12-24}} </div><!--Volume 20, Issue 18--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * ''']''' * ] * ] * ] (]) 00:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Sent via script (]) --></div></div> | |||
| Working sample, based on article ] (it is not my article, I chose it at random), I've placed here: http://ru.great.wikia.com/Zinc Source code of script is . ] (]) 08:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages. |
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Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc.
Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to User:Jimbo Wales/old2 with a little assistance, so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "User:Jimbo Wales/old" was already taken. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see the first version of your user page on 19 January 2001 (UTC)! I hope this is all OK with you.
It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So WikiProject Women in Red is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the draft press release about this event, a question was raised about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a definitive answer of Rosa Parks on 21 January 2001 (UTC)! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon Thomas Edison (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but not any more.
As noted in various places like this discussion, your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported all of them to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. My Christmas gifts are so predictable, as I realised later. Graham87 (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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