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:Now how does the player describe themselves? Do they describe themselves as Irish or British? We are not intrested here on how others describe them, but how they self identify. Northern Ireland as opposed to Northern Irish is at least ] in the absence of any referenced sources when BLP is concerned. On the subject of Northern Ireland a high degree of sensitivity is required. Northern Irish is not and never has been a nationality. --<font face="Celtic">]<sub>'']''</sub></font> 23:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
::The players are from Northern Ireland. One played for Northern Ireland. Northern Irish is a footballing nationality. It has its own team. ] (]) 23:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Wowsers, just call'em British. Thank goodness, Thompson doesn't self-indentify as a martian. Otherwise, ''Trevor Thompson (Martian footballer)'' would look rather funny. ] (]) 23:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


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"''Northern Irish is a footballing nationality''." Maybe the Admin can explain, but football is not a nationality. Now I've outlined our policy above on BLP please edit accordingly and there will not be a problem, however as of now I suggest you provide the sources that would be needed. --<font face="Celtic">]<sub>'']''</sub></font> 23:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


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On another note, Elonka could you possibly address your concerns to these edits and edit summeries? They contain ], in addition to ] and also ]. . If you were to leave them a post . If there was a serious push to address such things I would most definitly insure to the best of my ability that I would not over step the mark on any of them. However, if these policies are used in a slective fasion it is very hard to take them serious. --<font face="Celtic">]<sub>'']''</sub></font> 23:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


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IMHO Elonka, the BLP articles should be using ''British'' for those born post-1707 & post-1922 (in the case of Northern Ireland). ] (]) 00:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
: Whee, okay, let me try and answer a few of these:
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::(Jogging my memory) I believe there was a discussion (which I was involved in) at WP:BLP, concerning the usage of 'Northern Irish'. I believe we chose ''from Northern Ireland'' as a neutral usage. ] (]) 00:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::: To be clear, I have no preference what the title is, but I do have to ask, is it even necessary to specify nationality in the disambiguation tag? Why not just "Footballer"? --]]] 00:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::::We've got a ] article. ] (]) 00:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::::: Could it be disambiguated some other way? By birth year, or which team they're on? --]]] 00:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yep 'birth year' is how we handle at the Ice hockey articles. But, neither Thompson article shows a 'brith year'. ] (]) 00:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


See https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Proudbharati huge number of terrible changes, done in haste. ] ] 11:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I got (through external links), howabout moving ''Trevor Thompson (Northern Irish footballer)'' to ''Trevor Thompson (b. 1936)''? ] (]) 00:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


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The simple rule of thumb is how the persons self identify. In the absence of a source, we use Northern Ireland. I agree Elonka "Why not just "Footballer." Northern Ireland Footballer is, in the absence of a source per ] and inline with ]. Members of my famiely are from the north of Ireland, and to call them northern Irish would to them be very offensive. --<font face="Celtic">]<sub>'']''</sub></font> 01:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:There's already such an article, the English fellow ]. -- ] (]) 01:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::Okie Dokie. ] (]) 01:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Another fucking edit/move war created by Mooretwin, how much time do we all have to waste on this every week!? He knows using "Northern Irish" is frowned upon and causes BLP and NPOV issue but he just does it to stir shit up and has admins like Elonka to support this bullshit. Just because you are from Northern Ireland doesnt make you Northern Irish, anyone with even the smallest bit of knowledge of the situation would know that - like GoodDay said use the year of birth as is done with others.

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