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I'm not comfortable with your approach to editing the myki article. You claim to be rewriting sections in "neutral language" when in fact you are really removing seemingly valid criticism of transport policy. You do so under the guise of keeping the myki article unbiased by saying that the areas being criticised are policies of the Transport Ticketing Authority, but you are just deleting the criticisms, not moving them to the TTA article. That's NOT showing a neutral point of view. That's censorship. ] (]) 06:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC) I'm not comfortable with your approach to editing the myki article. You claim to be rewriting sections in "neutral language" when in fact you are really removing seemingly valid criticism of transport policy. You do so under the guise of keeping the myki article unbiased by saying that the areas being criticised are policies of the Transport Ticketing Authority, but you are just deleting the criticisms, not moving them to the TTA article. That's NOT showing a neutral point of view. That's censorship. ] (]) 06:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

:I've noticed this also. I think with such an article, sporadic editing at best would be the smartest option. I believe I will report this over at the ] and let the experienced Administrator's deal with this. &mdash; ]] 13:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

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{{unblock-un reviewed|VicSmartCard|comment=|decline=The new name has the same problem, and you indicate that you are not willing to avoid writing about yourself and your employer, so unblocking would not be appropriate in this circumstance. If you want to volunteer to help write Misplaced Pages, you will need a personal username, and you will need to commit to refraining from writing about yourself and subjects with which you have a close connection, like your employer (and also, if you have them, your web site, your band, and your relatives and friends. — ]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> (] · ])</span> 13:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)}}
:Knowing that you cannot edit where you have a ] (i.e. editing articles about companies you own or at which you are employed, articles about yourself, etc.), to which subjects would you like to contribute? ] <sup>] ]</sup> 09:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I have no conflict of interest. I do not represent myki or any of the companies involved. ], 20:54, 31 December 2009
:Really? That certainly makes your edits a lot harder to understand then. You might care to look over the conflict of interest guideline ] because here on Misplaced Pages we have our own understanding of conflict of interest and you don't have to be an actual myki representative or spokesperson in order to be considered to have a COI here. As it explains in the COI guideline: "A Misplaced Pages conflict of interest (COI) is an incompatibility between the aim of Misplaced Pages, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor." It would appear from looking over your edits that you are not here to build Misplaced Pages but rather to slant and whitewash a particular subject, which is a conflict of interest under our rules. If you really ''are'' a "myki insider", you really should be very careful what you do here and reconsider having anything to do with the article, because this is all viewable by the public and a "myki insider" attempting to sanitise and whitewash Misplaced Pages's myki article is highly likely to create a media scandal a la , the or even the . So if you are a "myki insider" by any reasonable understanding of those words, you really ought to think very carefully about what you're trying to do here and whether it is in anyone's best interests.

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:Misplaced Pages is a privately owned website, not the middle of Fed Square or some other public venue and we are entitled to establish and enforce any rules we need to facilitate building an encyclopedia and to revoke editing privileges from people editing disruptively or not contributing in a way that complies with our rules. The article we finally end up with on ] will be an accurate ] report of what reliable third party sources reported about this subject, not a whitewashed promotional piece for the state government or the other organisations involved. If you are unable to accept this and work within our rules then you have no business continuing to edit here at all. Please consider whether you are willing and able to operate within our policies and whether it is appropriate for you to be contributing to this article if you are, as you've claimed, an "insider". ] 03:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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Neutral Language?

I'm not comfortable with your approach to editing the myki article. You claim to be rewriting sections in "neutral language" when in fact you are really removing seemingly valid criticism of transport policy. You do so under the guise of keeping the myki article unbiased by saying that the areas being criticised are policies of the Transport Ticketing Authority, but you are just deleting the criticisms, not moving them to the TTA article. That's NOT showing a neutral point of view. That's censorship. HiLo48 (talk) 06:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed this also. I think with such an article, sporadic editing at best would be the smartest option. I believe I will report this over at the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard and let the experienced Administrator's deal with this. — Deon 13:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
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Knowing that you cannot edit where you have a conflict of interest (i.e. editing articles about companies you own or at which you are employed, articles about yourself, etc.), to which subjects would you like to contribute? Q 09:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I have no conflict of interest. I do not represent myki or any of the companies involved. User:Myki-insider, 20:54, 31 December 2009

Really? That certainly makes your edits a lot harder to understand then. You might care to look over the conflict of interest guideline WP:COI because here on Misplaced Pages we have our own understanding of conflict of interest and you don't have to be an actual myki representative or spokesperson in order to be considered to have a COI here. As it explains in the COI guideline: "A Misplaced Pages conflict of interest (COI) is an incompatibility between the aim of Misplaced Pages, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor." It would appear from looking over your edits that you are not here to build Misplaced Pages but rather to slant and whitewash a particular subject, which is a conflict of interest under our rules. If you really are a "myki insider", you really should be very careful what you do here and reconsider having anything to do with the article, because this is all viewable by the public and a "myki insider" attempting to sanitise and whitewash Misplaced Pages's myki article is highly likely to create a media scandal a la BBC staff rewrote Misplaced Pages pages to water down criticism, the "Air New Zealand Computer used to sanitise on line Erebus Misplaced Pages article" or even the "Federal public servants are systematically sanitising the Misplaced Pages entries". So if you are a "myki insider" by any reasonable understanding of those words, you really ought to think very carefully about what you're trying to do here and whether it is in anyone's best interests.
What makes you think that "VicSmartCard" would be any more appropriate for a username than "Myki-insider"? If you wish to continue editing, please go to the sign up interface and create a new username that does not include the names of Victorian public transport products, other organisations and businesses and their services, products, trademarked terms, government departments, their services, projects or products, etc etc. If you intend returning to edit Myki and related articles, please be aware that the article has now come under administrative attention and further unsourced or non-neutral edits or attempts at whitewashing the article will not be tolerated. Perhaps you're a myki insider; perhaps you are not, but either way, it's irrelevant for purposes of the article's content because we do not use primary sources, original research or first hand information or knowledge. As an encyclopedia we are a tertiary source and we only report what has already been published by sources considered "reliable sources", i.e. published third-party sources which are known to fact check, such as newspaper and journal articles etc. As it says in the verifiability policy, the test for inclusion is whether content is verifiable, not whether it is the truth. We aren't here to determine what is or is not true, we're here only to report what verifiable, published reliable sources have already written about the subject.
Misplaced Pages is a privately owned website, not the middle of Fed Square or some other public venue and we are entitled to establish and enforce any rules we need to facilitate building an encyclopedia and to revoke editing privileges from people editing disruptively or not contributing in a way that complies with our rules. The article we finally end up with on Myki will be an accurate neutral point of view report of what reliable third party sources reported about this subject, not a whitewashed promotional piece for the state government or the other organisations involved. If you are unable to accept this and work within our rules then you have no business continuing to edit here at all. Please consider whether you are willing and able to operate within our policies and whether it is appropriate for you to be contributing to this article if you are, as you've claimed, an "insider". Sarah 03:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)