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| == Minor niggle == | |||
| == “I want to start a new page” == | |||
| At the bottom of the Help Desk, there are two links both purporting to go to the top of the page. Neither does, though they go most of the way. If it were just one such link, I wouldn't complain; but while there are two, couldn't at least one of them do what it claims? ] (]) 17:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I’m questioning whether we are providing the best possible answer when we respond with a template containing information about how to start a new article. | |||
| As an analogy, if someone came to a coach and asked how to go about running a marathon, and the person had never run in their life, do you think the right answer would start with selecting the right type of shoe, and making sure you properly pace yourself? Don’t you think the advice would include running some shorter distances first? | |||
| :If you are talking about the "To top of page" and the "navigation up/down arrows" they both work just fine for me on Chrome. I guess technically they put "Misplaced Pages Helpdesk" at they very top of my screen, neglecting the navigation tabs, is that what you're referring to? ] ] 01:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| It’s possible a person who has zero edits can create a passable article. It’s also possible that a person who has never run can complete a marathon first time out. the probability of both are quite low. | |||
| ::Yes, that's what I'm referring to. As I wrote, they don't go to the top of the page. ] (]) 08:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::@] - it looks like this is implemented as part of a template, and if you think the functionality of where the "up" arrow takes you, consider bringing it up on at ]. ] ] 16:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2024 == | |||
| I bet this is analyzable, if someone knew what they were doing. My guess is that the proportion of people whose first edit is a new page have under a 1% chance of having that page. If we knew this number, wouldn’t if be a more helpful answer to say something along the lines of “Experience shows that people whose first editing experience is the creation of a new article fail over 99% of the time. You are encouraged to try editing other articles first, perhaps ones that are related to your area of interest. After you have experience editing existing articles, your chances of success creating a new article will be much improved. | |||
| If your sole goal is to see an article on subject x in wikipedia, consider adding to ], where a more experienced editor may start the article. Or do both.” | |||
| This is rough, and needs massive editing, but I think it is better advice than the current approach. | |||
| I assume this issue has come up before. Does someone know if a discussion exists? I am surprised that the consensus has developed that new people with zero experience editing should essentially be encouraged to jump right in. I understand the concept of ], but this is a step beyond that, and I don’t think it is good advice.--<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">]]</font> 14:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=yes}} | |||
| : I understand what you are saying, SPhilbrick - perhaps you could design a template in your user space which has the kind of message you think could be used? Then get people to look at it, suggests improvements, etc - and then put it up as a candidate for an ''official'' template (well, I know that officially there are no official/non-official ones, but you know what I mean!)... I don't know where you put it up, but that's something that could be sorted when the template is ready! -- ''']''' (], ]) 14:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Please remove one level of = from the ===heading=== and add the following question: | |||
| ::Good suggestion, I'll try mocking up something. Probably won't have time until the weekend—in the meantime, I'll watch this space to see if someone strongly feels the current paradigm is the right one.--<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">]]</font> 17:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| === Edit, revert, ghost—How to proceed? === | |||
| I'm in a somewhat frustrating situation. On 3 November, {{User|Szelma W}} reverted (]) an edit of mine (]). On 5 November, I created ] to discuss the matter, as the revert's edit summary "It was better" didn't really give me a lot to go on. | |||
| And there, the discussion has stalled, as {{ping|Szelma W|p=}} hasn't been on WP since 4 November. It appears they tend to contribute in small bursts about once a week (although I haven't noticed an obvious day-of-the-week pattern) and it's been two weeks with no edit activity. It's not like they're specifically ignoring ''me'', they just haven't been around in a while. So there's no bad faith, but it's still frustrating for me as the memory of the various number theory pages I was working on at the time fades. | |||
| <-I created a first draft at ]. Here's the possible text, which could be added to a template. As noted, I think we give bad advice when we tell with zero editing experience how to start a new article. I realize the "first article" page does suggest they should start editing first, but that isn't working, so this might make the point a little clearer. One nitty detail—I haven't researched the 99% claim, if we want to use a stat, we probably should back it up and I'll need some help figuring out how to do that. | |||
| {{Collapse top|Draft of Advice to someone asking how to start an article}} | |||
| Does anyone have any suggestion as to how to proceed? My only real complaint is the lack of specificity in the original revert (I try to be a lot more encouraging when reverting a good-faith edit), but that wouldn't be a problem ''if'' there were subsequent discussion. ] (]) 15:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Writing an article for Misplaced Pages is harder than many people realize. Over 99% of all articles submitted by someone with no other editing experience in Misplaced Pages are deleted. Even professional writers find that the format and style needed for a good encyclopedia article are different than what might be appropriate for other venues. | |||
| :{{Done}} -- ] (]) 15:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Is this the correct way to add information? == | |||
| If your only goal is to make sure that an article is added to Misplaced Pages, you are urged to visit ] where you can request that someone write an article on the subject. | |||
| can you help me? | |||
| If you are interested in becoming an editor at Misplaced Pages, our experience demonstrates that it is better to start by improving existing articles, which will help you get a sense of how this place works, and then writing your first article from scratch. A good place to visit is ], where there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles needing help from editors. Find an article in a subject area you know, and add a source, or a reference, or simply help write it better. | |||
| "The head office is located in Zurich, with branch operations in Kenya and the United Arab Emirates, and subsidiaries in Canada, Hong Kong SAR, Pakistan, South Africa, and the United Kingdom. The bank also has representative offices in Bangladesh, China, Hong Kong SAR, Pakistan, and Türkiye. As of 31 December 2023, the bank employed a total of 7,629 people in 559 offices." | |||
| If you do decide to write an article immediately, please read ], to help make sure you don't have a Conflict of Interest, then read ], which will repeat some of the good advice above, then tell you how to start writing your first article. Make sure you start it in a ]. You can edit to your heart's content in a sandbox, and no one will interfere, but as soon as it is in the main Misplaced Pages space, anyone can edit it, and anyone can propose it for deletion. | |||
| Is this correct way to add this information, I wrote it being quite neutral, and gave the necesery reference, if not what could I do to alternatively? ] (]) 04:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :@]: Since you are ], please ask this at the proper page for the ]. —] ( ] • ] ) 05:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks ] (]) 06:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2024 == | |||
| {{Collapse bottom}}--<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">]]</font> 14:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{moved to|help desk -- ] (]) 07:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)}} | |||
| {{Edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=yes}} | |||
| I have corrected a page that was vandalised. The vandal editor has responded immediately saying they will revert the entry to their vandalised version of it on the basis it was not sourced properly, which it was, as the extensive references attest - how to get out this vicious circle? ] (]) 21:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 00:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Whose quick survey? == | |||
| :A few points - "different than what ..." should be "different to those which ...", "hearts" is the plural, not the possessive, of "heart" (should be "heart's"), and "If you want to ignore this advice, and attempt ..." sounds a bit bitey - how about "If you do decide ..." ] (]) 15:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| If Misplaced Pages wants me to complete a quick survey, why am I then redirected to a Google website? Please either fix this or stop following me with popups. ] (]) 16:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not sure to what you are specifically referring to, but if you don't wish to take the survey, then don't. You can avoid seeing popups by creating an account and suppressing them in the account preferences. ] (]) 16:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :: "different ''from'' those which ..." – ] (]) 15:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::<small>That's a whole new can of worms! ] (]) 15:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)</small> | |||
| ::::You guys are quick, thanks. | |||
| ::::*I thought it would be better to say "style and format" rather than "steps" so the first advice is affected by that. | |||
| ::::*Fixed possessive | |||
| ::::*I agree, too bitey, took your advice--<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">]]</font> 15:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Fixed missing link to WP:BL. Looking good to me, Sphilbrick! -- ''']''' (], ]) 15:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| <-Thanks for the postive feedback. I created two templates, both of which should be used with substitution (as we might tweak the language): | |||
| * <nowiki>{{subst:New editor advice}}</nowiki> | |||
| * <nowiki>{{subst:NEA}}</nowiki> | |||
| The second transcludes the first, so if there are further tweaks to the wording, the first should be edited.--<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">]]</font> 16:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't understand why is Google involved in this. I would like to take a survey to improve Misplaced Pages but I'm ] for a reason. I can answer the questions here or anywhere on Misplaced Pages. My only question is: Why is Misplaced Pages redirecting me to a predatory data harvesting company? ] (]) 16:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Categorisation of merged articles == | |||
| :::You would need to ask the Foundation as to why they do what they do; we volunteers have nothing to do with the popups or surveys. ] (]) 16:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| {{Archive top}} | |||
| In cases where a movie soundtrack article is merged with the movie article ''(as with ])'', is it proper form to add the article to album categories (such as "]" and "]") as well? -- ] (]) 12:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{Archive bottom}} | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2024 == | |||
| == Editing while logged out == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=yes}} | |||
| For those with questions about editing while logged out, we now have ], shortcut ]. ---'''''— ]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>]</sup> 10:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I request permission to ask a question; no context. ] (]) 03:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{Re|Informationappeared}} If the help desk itself is still protected, please write your question here, on the talk page, and someone will copy it to the help desk to be answered. -- ] (]) 07:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2024 == | |||
| :I just created ] to save typing. – ] (]) 14:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=yes}} | |||
| == Editintro == | |||
| Moved comment to main project page. ] <big>(]</big> · <small>])</small> 00:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2024 == | |||
| ] is still hanging around from before the editnotice system. If there is no objection, I will delete it as unused in a day or so. ---'''''— ]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>]</sup> 18:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I'd just delete it per ] now. '''<font face="times new roman">]]</font>''' 19:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{Edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=yes}} | |||
| ::Seconded. – ] (]) 19:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| It says edits aren't' to ask for help, and directs me to the Help Desk, but this *is* the Help Desk, and I can't use it because I'm not an established user. That sucks ] (]) 17:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 17:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Blame it on spammers. <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> (]<big>·</big>]<big>·</big>]) <span style="font-size:80%">Isn't a IP anon</span> 17:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{Re|Heapsofworms}} If you have a question for the help desk, ask it here and someone will move it to the help desk for you. -- ] (]) 17:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2024 == | |||
| {{done}} ---'''''— ]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>]</sup> 21:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=yes}} | |||
| == Accessibility improvement to header == | |||
| I would like to request assistance with uploading the company logo for the draft article ]. | |||
| **Details of the file**: | |||
| {{tl|editprotected}} | |||
| - **File name**: Apipet_logo.png | |||
| - **Purpose**: To use the logo in the infobox of the article draft for identification purposes. | |||
| - **Source**: Official website of the company, (https://www.apipet.eu). | |||
| - **Owner**: Hedera d.o.o., the parent company of the Apipet brand. | |||
| - **Licensing**: I am requesting this under "non-free content" guidelines as the logo is copyrighted and used strictly for encyclopedic purposes. | |||
| **Fair use rationale**: | |||
| For ] by visually impaired readers, the header for ] should mark its purely decorative icon '']'' with "<code>|link=</code>" instead of with alt text, so that ]s don't bother visually impaired readers by announcing the image; please see '']''. To implement this, please replace "?" with "link=" in '']''. That is, please replace this: | |||
| - The image is used for **identification purposes only** within the article about the subject (Apipet brand). | |||
| : <code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code> | |||
| - The file is of **low resolution** and will not harm the commercial use of the logo. | |||
| with this: | |||
| - There are no free equivalents of the logo available. | |||
| : <code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code> | |||
| - It is a necessary visual element for readers to identify the brand. | |||
| Thanks. ] (]) 08:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Please upload the file and include it in the infobox using the filename: `Apipet_logo.png`. | |||
| ::{{done-t}} by ] ≈ ] ] ] 11:42, 3 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you! ] (]) 18:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==Scsbot issues== | |||
| Due to some corruption (described at ]) I've left a message on scsbot's talkpage, which I believe will cause it to stop working, presumably until its maintainer (who has been offline for several days) can attend to it. I guess this means it won't add the date header to this page tomorrow, so until it's fixed can I ask someone to take care of the header manually. Thanks. -- ] • ] 00:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> This is the page for requesting changes to the help desk ITSELF, not for requesting help. Try ]. ] (]) 19:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Misplaced Pages:Article wizard2.0 == | |||
| {{ping|PianoDan}} I have reset the flag. As the helpdesk is semi protected new users like UnidigitalHR have to use the talk page. ] (]) 19:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Hello all, I've added a reference to ] in the FAQ (]), and also slightly re-written that part of the FAQ for clarity (I hope). Anyway, the ] (]) is a great new tool for newbies to create articles, walking them through the steps - take a look and then consider when/where it might be useful to mention it. (Note that it does refer users to the AFC wizard if they don't want to sign up, which reduces the importance of distinguishing between anon and registered users when referring to it.) Also, any suggestions for improvement of it are very welcome (]). cheers, ] <sup>]</sup> 13:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Got it, thanks for the clarification. ] (]) 22:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==ReqPhoto== | |||
| :{{already done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> by TSventon as noted. —] ( ] • ] ) 06:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2024 == | |||
| Second time of asking - got edit conflict.:( | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=yes}} | |||
| I've tried to add an appropriate cateqory via the reqphoto entry on ] but it comes up as a red linked category no matter what I do. Where am I going wrong? Even more frustrating.--] (]) 13:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{Collapse top|ChatGPT screed}} | |||
| Subject: Request for Immediate Removal of Blasphemous Images from the "Kaaba" Misplaced Pages Page | |||
| Dear Misplaced Pages Team, | |||
| * Fixed myself. But why should this be a difficult process even for me as a fairly experienced wiki user???--] (]) 13:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I hope this message finds you well. My name is , and I am writing as a member of the Muslim community deeply concerned about the presence of pictorial depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his blessed companions on the Misplaced Pages page titled "Kaaba" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Kaaba). | |||
| == Sock puppet? == | |||
| These images, located under the 'History' tab, are '''highly offensive and blasphemous to Muslims around the world, as any visual representation of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is strictly prohibited in Islam'''. The specific images in question are: | |||
| Why is my user name considered a possible "sock puppet"? --] (]) 07:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :This is the Help Desk's ''talk page'', not the help desk. I have moved your post to the project page, ''']'''.--] (]) 12:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''1. "Muhammad at the Ka'ba" from the Siyer-i Nebi, showing Muhammad with a veiled face, c. 1595.''' | |||
| == Adding {{IRC|wikipedia-en-help}} to the header == | |||
| '''2. A miniature from 1307 CE depicting Muhammad fixing the black stone into the Kaaba.''' | |||
| I see some layout discussion that this was briefly considered but turned down for fear that new editors would not know how to use IRC (]). I would like to discuss it more specifically though - adding to the header at the top of the page: | |||
| These images not only disrespect our beliefs but also deeply hurt the sentiments of millions in the Muslim community, including myself. The existence of these images on a public platform like Misplaced Pages fosters misunderstanding and disrespects our faith, which is rooted in profound reverence for our beloved Last Prophet (Peace be Upon Him). We kindly request that these images be removed from the Misplaced Pages page immediately, without any delay or further explanation. | |||
| We understand that Misplaced Pages requires supporting evidence for high-profile articles. '''In this case, the prohibition of visual depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is well-documented in Islamic teachings and widely recognized by scholars and religious authorities. Numerous fatwas based on Qur'anic scripture and hadith traditions from all schools of thought strictly prohibit drawing images of the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his blessed companions, deeming such acts as blasphemy. This prohibition is rooted in Islamic teachings that emphasize the importance of avoiding idolatry and misrepresentation. Scholars unanimously agree that there is no permissibility whatsoever for visual representations of the Last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or his blessed companions, as such depictions are considered blasphemous and fundamentally incompatible with Islamic teachings.''' | |||
| :::For live help, click {{IRC|wikipedia-en-help}} | |||
| :::::''or'' | |||
| :::For live help, | |||
| Furthermore, surveys indicate that a significant portion of Muslims find such depictions offensive. The Journal of Islamic Thought and Civilization highlights that Muslims believe visual depictions of all prophets should be prohibited, particularly those of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as they hurt their emotions and go against their faith (Journal of Islamic Thought and Civilization). We urge you to consider the sensitivity of this matter and its impact on millions of Muslims worldwide. | |||
| '''Addressing Misplaced Pages's FAQ:''' | |||
| Doing so would offer a different help medium for people who need it, and one that is currently buried on ] making relatively unused. An IRC chat is more amenable to the users who still feel clunky with editing and talkpages and having to wait around for a response. It allows for in depth articulation in a more nuanced way that I think would be quite beneficial as well. The cons are that it might overwhelm the channel with users, or users who don't really have help-type questions. However, new wikipedians are decreasing. Bringing more wikipedians now requires better help for those who run into the usual road bumps that divert them. Thoughts? ] <sup>]</sup> 05:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''1.Misplaced Pages is not censored:''' While Misplaced Pages aims to provide a neutral point of view, it is essential to consider how these images offend deeply held beliefs. The presence of such content does not foster an inclusive environment for all users. | |||
| ::Im not one to use IRC often (in fact io havent since 1998) Im inclined to oppose this (but this is only my thought and others are open to their opinions) But I feel that a help furom for wikipedia should be centralized on wikipedia, not a help furom for wikipedia on a different medium. I think the help desk allows for giving more detailed (and accurate as your forced to think through and supply relevant links) responses. It may also draw away users from monitoring this page and decreasing the response time to respond to queries here. I know alot of experienced users like IRC, but many less tech savy indivduals may not be comforatble leaving wikipedia for help. These are just my thoughts ] (]) 14:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''2.Historical accuracy:''' The images in question are historically inaccurate, as acknowledged by Misplaced Pages. The artists who created these works lived centuries after Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and could not have seen him. Using inaccurate images perpetuates misconceptions rather than providing educational value. | |||
| :::Well I guess this proposal wasn't to say that the on-wiki help desk is worse than IRC, just that it is a different door to try. Like, behind door number one is the Help Desk, behind door number two is the FAQ, behind door number three is the IRC channel. Any door is the right door. I do think wikipedians need to 'learn by doing', e.g. editing and monitoring pages, but who is to say that they wouldn't do that with help from the IRC channel? And who is to say that they aren't tech savy enough to use IRC at all? ] <sup>]</sup> 15:38, 24 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::very true points you made. If this is endorsed by others to add the link, i would support the second link you posted be added. To me its a nice user friendly way of providing the channel. This is a bit more simple than learning IRC all together. anyway it could work. But your right we dont know (my instinct though is i think its introducing more problems, but I welcome thoughts from others. ] (]) 15:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''3.Offense to Muslims:''' Misplaced Pages recognizes that depictions of Muhammad are offensive to many Muslims. This offense affects millions globally and cannot be dismissed as a minor issue. Suggesting that users change their settings to hide images is not a viable solution; such representations on a public platform like Misplaced Pages perpetuate disrespect and harm. | |||
| ::: {{ec}}No one intends to force users to use IRC. The proposal is to merely make people aware that it exists as an option. It is up to them how they wish to receive help. As a helper in #wikipedia-en-help, I have seen many instances of a user being helped far more quickly and clearly in IRC than they would on help desk or on a talk page. In other situations the reverse is true. | |||
| ::: The help desk has the advantage of many eyes watching it, whereas the help channel has the advantage of being able to instantly clarify and ensure that everyone understands each other, as well as the ability to perform step-by-step walkthroughs. The two forms of help compliment, rather than oppose, each other. ∙ ]] 15:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''4.Preventing idolatry:''' The traditional prohibition against images of prophets serves to prevent idolatry—a principle that should be respected in any educational context. The presence of these images on Misplaced Pages violates this fundamental religious principle. | |||
| :It's worth a try.. can't hurt to test it out for a month or two.. see what kind of traffic we get in the channel. -- ]] 05:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Already in the sidebar of the header there is a link to "'']''" which includes IRC. I am not sure how relevant an IRC channel is to most Help desk clients and keep in mind clutter in the header.--] (]) 10:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::The place you're talking about doesn't exactly receive prominence (waaay off to the right, very small font, have to find it in a subpage). Acknowledged that the header shouldn't be cluttered, but I think something can be arranged. Why don't you think people from the help desk can be helped in the IRC channel? ] <sup>]</sup> 16:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I don't see any harm in including it. It might increase requests at the channel, which might reduce requests here. Nothing bad about any of those. After all, the objective is to provide help, not to pile up help requests in our archive pages :) ≈ ] ] ] 16:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I support adding a link to the header. The problems could be confusion when a new user opens up the IRC window (the 20 lines of connection stuff, and the instructions are hidden in the channel topic, not that there is a better way) and dissatisfaction when they ask a question and don't get a good answer (I'm sure not all Help desk regulars are in the IRC channel). Having said that, IRC does provide an excellent alternative way to answer questions and I support adding a link (probably to the webchat.freenode.net option), at least for a trial. Somebody needs to figure out how to incorporate a link into the current header though. Also, it could be too late when someone has arrived at the Help desk to forward them to IRC. Maybe most new users use the "]" link in the sidebar? If so then adding the IRC link to ] should be considered.--] (]) 07:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''5.Comparison to other figures:''' While Misplaced Pages may use images of historical figures like Jesus, it is crucial to note that any depiction of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) is universally forbidden in Islam. This distinction makes comparisons inadequate and unjustifiable. | |||
| (unindent) Let's start with the header as it has the most general and wide impact, and go from there to see if a link on ] alone is better. Agreed, just a trial. Agreed, the webchat.freenode.net option. I actually think the aesthetic of the header is gonna be the harder part to get agreed upon, but I've put a few ideas down in my sandbox. (]). Here they are: | |||
| ----- | |||
| {{User:JoeSmack/Template:headersandbox}} | |||
| ----- | |||
| I think the most appropriate place to put it in the header order would be third, so it is three help options in a row. The last one up there was kind of an afterthought. I like the top one ("Help chat (IRC)") best personally. Thoughts? ] <sup>]</sup> 16:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''6.Separate link for images: '''Creating a separate link for these images is also not an acceptable solution. The core issue remains that any depiction of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) is considered blasphemous in Islam, and there is no allowance for such visual representations under any circumstances. The existence of these images on a public platform like Misplaced Pages is inherently offensive and harmful. | |||
| :Initially, I wasn't sure whether you were talking about adding an IRC link to ] or to {{tl|WP help pages (header bar)}}. Either is possible. | |||
| :I think the whole {{tl|WP help pages (header bar)}} is due for an overhaul, with an explicit mandate to overhaul some of the pages it links to. eg the ] is unlinked, and ] is a jumbled mess, and ] is unlinked, and ] possibly belongs somewhere in there? | |||
| :We don't want it to get too big though (it already is!), because whilst we longterm editors know where all (or most) of those links will bring us, the majority of people will not, and will have to click through each to find the right target. | |||
| :See also ] and ] for potential mergers/clarifications. (I get a headache just thinking about it...) HTH. -- ] (]) 20:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| We acknowledge the FAQ section on the Talk:Muhammad page but believe that this request warrants special consideration due to its unique nature. The presence of these images does not contribute to the educational value of the article but rather perpetuates significant cultural and religious offense. | |||
| ::Right, sorry, I meant {{tl|WP help pages (header bar)}}. That is the top bar of links that is on many help pages. To be honest, overhaul is needed, correct. For now however, lets keep this thread focused on seeing this IRC link put in. It could have a fairly moderate change on how new editors receive assistance on Misplaced Pages, and keeping with this single change the effect will be more measurable for the moment. | |||
| ::That said, I'm actually glad I have your eyes too Quiddity because I really like your past mainspace/template work. Like you mention, we need a overhaul, and that'll be a much bigger discussion. I mean, I'm an experienced user and even I have confused moments about some of the help environments out there. ] is one place I think that dialogue could be more centralized (prolly where this thread should have been really), unless you have another idea as to where to have it? You'll have my input either way. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Of your 4 suggestions above, I agree that the 1st (or 4th) would be preferable. Go for it. | |||
| :::You might also want to tweak ] so that the lead paragraph is a bit shorter, and copy the links to the main en-WP channels to the top of the page (either in the lead sentences or in a box of some sort). We could potentially link to that page instead, if it were a bit more instantly useful to users of all expertise. | |||
| :::The Help Project is a bit understaffed, and could use ''all of your eyeballs''. However ] is newly there and trying to get people to help do some overhauls, so now would be an optimal time to speak up, add your names to the participants list, and all that. :) -- ] (]) 17:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::] and ] are not layman oriented at all, and are kind of dated by now. I actually don't have a ton of specific ''expertise'' on IRC (although i've ]'d using it for years now), but think the above web-connect one-click link put into the header will be a start for the time being. I'll hop over to ] and offer up the total overhaul discussion as well. | |||
| ::::I guess then i'll wait for any other comment until the end of the day and then throw the IRC help channel up into the header, using the first suggestion presented. I'll try and keep my eye on the IRC channel to see any (if any) effects on traffic there. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::Ok, 3 2 1, liftoff! I'll leave some info of what I notice from the IRC channel back here if any. ] <sup>]</sup> 04:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Doesn't look like the channel got flooded or anything all day, and it looks like people are using it. Phew! ] <sup>]</sup> 03:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Bit late for the party ... but good idea and Excellent! ] 14:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| '''Relevant Policies''' | |||
| I notice we get a number of users of other wikis asking questions here, presumably under the misapprehension that Misplaced Pages is in charge of or connected with all wikis. In response the {{tl|astray}} template is often used, which is not entirely suitable. As such I have created two templates, modelled partly on <nowiki>{{astray}}</nowiki>, for dealing with these situations: {{tl|Otherwiki}} and {{tl|Otherwiki-sister}} for users of non-Wikimedia and Wikimedia wikis respectively, which produce the following outputs: | |||
| '''Misplaced Pages's Policy on Images:''' | |||
| ==== {{tl|Otherwiki}} ==== | |||
| According to your guidelines, '''"images that would bring the project into disrepute... may be removed by any user."''' The continued presence of these offensive images directly contradicts this policy as they clearly offend a significant portion of users. | |||
| :{{Otherwiki}} | |||
| '''Misplaced Pages's Policy on Offensive Material:''' | |||
| ==== {{tl|Otherwiki-sister}} ==== | |||
| :{{Otherwiki-sister}} | |||
| '''1.According to Misplaced Pages:''' Offensive material, while Misplaced Pages aims to include material that may offend, it explicitly states that "offensive words and offensive images should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner." The inclusion of these blasphemous images does not meet this criterion as they serve no educational purpose but rather cause harm. | |||
| I hope people find these useful, but of course welcome any comments or improvements. <span style="font-family: Fontin, Georgia, serif; font-variant: small-caps;">]]</span> 11:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Good templates herr Doktor. A few suggestions: | |||
| :*When the question is about a feature or problem with MediaWiki software, which is not uncommon, the best place for them to be referred is ] I think. So maybe you should use this link instead of, or at least in addition to, the one to the computing reference desk. | |||
| :*Minor grammar nit: I would get rid of the "the" just before "Wikipedias in other languages". | |||
| :*In {{tl|Otherwiki}} there's a great preponderance of the word ''wiki''. I would modify "unable to assist you in matters concerning other wikis", to "unable to assist you in matters concerning this unrelated website", which also focuses back on the reason their specific question is not a good fit here, following the preceding explanation focused on teaching what a wiki is in general. Cheers.--] (]) 04:13, 9 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :: I've made the changes, although I was a little perplexed in trying to work in the link to the Mediwiki support desk. If any further improvements are required, feel free to ]! <span style="font-family: Fontin, Georgia, serif; font-variant: small-caps;">]]</span> 11:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::: I've also ] and added icons: ] for ''Otherwiki'' and ] for ''otherwiki-sister''. -- ''']''' (], ]) 11:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| *moved* --] (]) (]) 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''4.Content Integrity Maintenance: ''' Content that undermines Misplaced Pages's reliability or trustworthiness can be removed proactively by editors or administrators (Misplaced Pages:Content Integrity). Allowing these offensive images undermines your credibility as an encyclopedia committed to accuracy and respect. | |||
| ==Formatting/Transclusion issue== | |||
| '''5.Adherence to Neutrality: ''' Misplaced Pages has a strong stance against Holocaust denial and antisemitism, clearly reflected in the Holocaust denial page, which debunks false claims and provides historical evidence. This commitment to neutrality and respect for deeply held beliefs should be extended to the depiction of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as well. | |||
| The transclusion for the October 16 archive looks to be borked somehow. We're only getting half of it on the main help desk page. The section where the cutoff occurs is a lengthy discussion on templates, so maybe there is a stray noinclude or something; I can't figure it out. The archive itself is at ]. Thanks! ] <sup> ] </sup>~<small> ] </small> 19:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''Handling of Other Sensitive Topics:''' | |||
| :I have disabled ] tags on the page. ] (]) 22:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''1.Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: '''Misplaced Pages handles content related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with sensitivity and neutrality, ensuring a balanced representation of different perspectives. | |||
| ::Many thanks. ] <sup> ] </sup>~<small> ] </small> 12:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''2.Abortion: '''Misplaced Pages presents diverse viewpoints on abortion respectfully, acknowledging the sensitivity of the topic. | |||
| == About resolved tags == | |||
| '''3.Censorship and Internet Freedom: '''Misplaced Pages respects local laws and cultural sensitivities, demonstrating its commitment to respecting different cultural and religious practices. | |||
| I noticed today someone adding a resolved tag to a discussion that he was not involved in. Over at the reference desks, we had discussed this, and come to the consensus that the use of the resolved tag should be left to the OP. I think that practice should be implemented here as well. ] is the discussion over at ]. —''']'''<sup>]</sup> 20:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| In light of these considerations and your own policies, I urge you to take immediate action to remove these offensive images from the "Kaaba" page and review your guidelines regarding sensitive religious content moving forward. | |||
| :I disagree for the Help Desk and NCHP. Most times we don't even know if the OP has read the replies to their question. When it has clearly been answered, I am going to stick a resolved tag on it to make it easier for help desk patrollers to see what is and is not an active question. Similarly I will tag a clearly stale question as such. In fact I would be in favour of using the {{tl|Ear}} templates here too - they work well at ]. – ] (]) 20:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :Previous discussions on this are ] and ]. I don't see any strong consensus either way in those threads. At the RD's, questions tend to be much more open-ended, especially at SciRef where the answer could use either Newtonian or Einsteinian physics. OTOH, at CompRef where the thread goes "1: My computer isn't working. 2: Have you turned the power on? 3: My computer works now, thanks!", a resolved tag is more appropriate. | |||
| Thank you for your understanding and swift action on this matter. | |||
| :I don't do tons of HD/NCHD patrol, but when I do I tend to read the resolved ones too, and sometimes check up on whether the editor was able to actually implement the advice. Unless it's something dead simple, I'm not big on adding a resolved tag just for the sake of having a list of green checkmarks. I would defer to massive patrollers like ukexpat though. | |||
| :Asking / leaving it up to the OP to mark a thread as resolved is probably not workable here, given the nature of these help pages: almost by definition, the OP will not be aware of the "rule". At the RD's, I read the discussion more as "we the regulars are not going to put tags on threads, but if the OP does, that's fine". They really are different animals. ] (]) 22:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Sincerely, Yasha Ullah Afghan ] (]) 07:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Feedback page for the help desk == | |||
| :You might place this request at ] instead. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#50B849;">'''''Vestrian24Bio'''''</span> (<small>]</small>)</span> 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{Not done}}: this is the ] for discussing improvements to the page ]. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned.<!-- Template:ESp --> — ''']''' <sup>''(])''</sup> 07:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Spelling change == | |||
| We've been thinking at ] to develop 'feedback' pages, to collect feedback, especially from novice users. We can use the new template {{t1|Leave feedback}}. I created a feedback subpage for the help desk, ] (it uses the generic {{t1|feedback page}} at the top, which needs some work). The preload can be specified at ], and the editintro at ], see the template documentation for more. You're welcome to make adjustments. ] (]) 03:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :How are you going to tell users about it? I imagined it in use on reasonably static pages, as a section at the bottom. You made a "link" style version, to add to answer templates perhaps? ] <sup>]</sup> 09:12, 11 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hows this look? | |||
| {| class="ombox" style="border: 1px solid #aaa; background: #FFFFE0;" | |||
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| | | ] | |||
| ! class="mbox-text" | '''{{feedback link|page={{{page|Misplaced Pages:Help desk}}}|text={{{text|Please leave feedback to help us improve this page}}}}}''' | |||
| |} | |||
| It could be added to the ] page along with the rest of the templates. | |||
| With the other templates it will look like so: | |||
| {| class="ombox" style="border: 1px solid #aaa; background: #f8eaba;" | |||
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| | | ] | |||
| ! class="mbox-text" | ] (FAQ) | |||
| |} | |||
| {| class="ombox" style="border: 1px solid #aaa; background: #FFFFE0;" | |||
| |- | |||
| | | ] | |||
| ! class="mbox-text" | '''{{feedback link|page={{{page|Misplaced Pages:Help desk}}}|text={{{text|Please leave feedback to help us improve this page}}}}}''' | |||
| |} | |||
| {| class="ombox" style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" | |||
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| ! class="mbox-text" | <div style="text-align:center;"></div> | |||
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| ]<sup>]</sup> 08:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| In the entry on myself the word reversionary should be revisionist ] (]) 17:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == WATER == | |||
| :It's difficult to help you without knowing the article you're referring to. ] (]) 17:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I dig a well in my home town that is south of Sri Lanka and i found some water and that water quality is totally differant to drinking water standard , i need some expert advice to know why such a differant when i send the water samples for checking and also what can we do with this grade of water | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024 == | |||
| pl. chekc below the qulity report | |||
| PHYSICAL QUALITY Max.Concentration | |||
| Desirable/Permissible | |||
| Colour ( Hazen unit ) Greater that 90 5/30 | |||
| Turbidity ( N.T.U.) 160 2/8 | |||
| CHEMICAL QUALITY | |||
| pH 7.0 7.0/8.5 - 6.5/9.0 | |||
| Electrical Conductivity 9172 750/3500 pS/cm | |||
| Results in mg/I | |||
| Chloride ( as CI ) 770 200/1200 | |||
| Total Alkalinity ( as CaCO3) 100 200/400 | |||
| Free Ammonia - 0.06 | |||
| Nitrate (as N ) Less than 0.1 10 | |||
| Nitrite ( as N ) Less than 0.01 0.01 | |||
| Fluoride ( as F ) 0.5 0.6/1.5 | |||
| Total Phosphates ( as PO4) Less than 0.04 2.0 | |||
| Total Residue 6110 500/2000 | |||
| Total Hardness ( as CaCO3 ) 2470 250/600 | |||
| Total Iron ( as Fe ) 16 0.3/1.0 | |||
| Sulphate ( as SO4 ) 222 200/400 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=yes}} | |||
| :Please see ]. ] <sup>(]•]•])</sup> 08:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| i created an English translation of the Arabic article for the director and actor ABDULRAHMAN THAHER, the link of English translation is ] | |||
| how can it become possible to publish for public on Misplaced Pages?? any advice for this article?? ] (]) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Are you writing about yourself? I have added the information to let you submit the draft. ] (]) 18:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024 (2) == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Misplaced Pages:Help desk|answered=y}} | |||
| Please change the page for Joshua L. Pomer, https://en.wikipedia.org/Joshua_L._Pomer, to be entitled "Josh Pomer" instead. No one knows this filmmaker's middle initial, therefore it is difficult to find the page when searching for him. His identifiable name is "Josh Pomer." https://www.thesurfnetwork.com/studio/Josh%20Pomer%20Films ] (]) 23:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Minor niggle
At the bottom of the Help Desk, there are two links both purporting to go to the top of the page. Neither does, though they go most of the way. If it were just one such link, I wouldn't complain; but while there are two, couldn't at least one of them do what it claims? Maproom (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you are talking about the "To top of page" and the "navigation up/down arrows" they both work just fine for me on Chrome. I guess technically they put "Misplaced Pages Helpdesk" at they very top of my screen, neglecting the navigation tabs, is that what you're referring to? TiggerJay (talk) 01:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's what I'm referring to. As I wrote, they don't go to the top of the page. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Maproom - it looks like this is implemented as part of a template, and if you think the functionality of where the "up" arrow takes you, consider bringing it up on at Template talk:Skip to top and bottom. TiggerJay (talk) 16:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's what I'm referring to. As I wrote, they don't go to the top of the page. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2024
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Please remove one level of = from the ===heading=== and add the following question:
Edit, revert, ghost—How to proceed?
I'm in a somewhat frustrating situation. On 3 November, Szelma W (talk · contribs) reverted (Special:Diff/1255250737) an edit of mine (Special:Diff/1255197206). On 5 November, I created Talk:List of Mersenne primes and perfect numbers#Recent reversion - is anything salvageable? to discuss the matter, as the revert's edit summary "It was better" didn't really give me a lot to go on.
And there, the discussion has stalled, as @Szelma W hasn't been on WP since 4 November. It appears they tend to contribute in small bursts about once a week (although I haven't noticed an obvious day-of-the-week pattern) and it's been two weeks with no edit activity. It's not like they're specifically ignoring me, they just haven't been around in a while. So there's no bad faith, but it's still frustrating for me as the memory of the various number theory pages I was working on at the time fades.
Does anyone have any suggestion as to how to proceed? My only real complaint is the lack of specificity in the original revert (I try to be a lot more encouraging when reverting a good-faith edit), but that wouldn't be a problem if there were subsequent discussion. 97.102.205.224 (talk) 15:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Done -- John of Reading (talk) 15:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Is this the correct way to add information?
can you help me?
"The head office is located in Zurich, with branch operations in Kenya and the United Arab Emirates, and subsidiaries in Canada, Hong Kong SAR, Pakistan, South Africa, and the United Kingdom. The bank also has representative offices in Bangladesh, China, Hong Kong SAR, Pakistan, and Türkiye. As of 31 December 2023, the bank employed a total of 7,629 people in 559 offices." Is this correct way to add this information, I wrote it being quite neutral, and gave the necesery reference, if not what could I do to alternatively? Ateeb Ali Syed (talk) 04:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Ateeb Ali Syed: Since you are autoconfirmed, please ask this at the proper page for the help desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2024
Moved to help desk -- John of Reading (talk) 07:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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I have corrected a page that was vandalised. The vandal editor has responded immediately saying they will revert the entry to their vandalised version of it on the basis it was not sourced properly, which it was, as the extensive references attest - how to get out this vicious circle? Ozrocka (talk) 21:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 00:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Whose quick survey?
If Misplaced Pages wants me to complete a quick survey, why am I then redirected to a Google website? Please either fix this or stop following me with popups. 93.139.219.62 (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure to what you are specifically referring to, but if you don't wish to take the survey, then don't. You can avoid seeing popups by creating an account and suppressing them in the account preferences. 331dot (talk) 16:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand why is Google involved in this. I would like to take a survey to improve Misplaced Pages but I'm degoogled for a reason. I can answer the questions here or anywhere on Misplaced Pages. My only question is: Why is Misplaced Pages redirecting me to a predatory data harvesting company? 93.139.219.62 (talk) 16:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- You would need to ask the Foundation as to why they do what they do; we volunteers have nothing to do with the popups or surveys. 331dot (talk) 16:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand why is Google involved in this. I would like to take a survey to improve Misplaced Pages but I'm degoogled for a reason. I can answer the questions here or anywhere on Misplaced Pages. My only question is: Why is Misplaced Pages redirecting me to a predatory data harvesting company? 93.139.219.62 (talk) 16:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2024
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I request permission to ask a question; no context. Informationappeared (talk) 03:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Informationappeared: If the help desk itself is still protected, please write your question here, on the talk page, and someone will copy it to the help desk to be answered. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2024
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Moved comment to main project page. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 00:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2024
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It says edits aren't' to ask for help, and directs me to the Help Desk, but this *is* the Help Desk, and I can't use it because I'm not an established user. That sucks Heapsofworms (talk) 17:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Blame it on spammers. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 17:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Heapsofworms: If you have a question for the help desk, ask it here and someone will move it to the help desk for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2024
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I would like to request assistance with uploading the company logo for the draft article Draft:Apipet.
- Details of the file**:
- **File name**: Apipet_logo.png - **Purpose**: To use the logo in the infobox of the article draft for identification purposes. - **Source**: Official website of the company, (https://www.apipet.eu). - **Owner**: Hedera d.o.o., the parent company of the Apipet brand. - **Licensing**: I am requesting this under "non-free content" guidelines as the logo is copyrighted and used strictly for encyclopedic purposes.
- Fair use rationale**:
- The image is used for **identification purposes only** within the article about the subject (Apipet brand). - The file is of **low resolution** and will not harm the commercial use of the logo. - There are no free equivalents of the logo available. - It is a necessary visual element for readers to identify the brand.
Please upload the file and include it in the infobox using the filename: `Apipet_logo.png`.
Thank you! UnidigitalHR (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: This is the page for requesting changes to the help desk ITSELF, not for requesting help. Try WP:HD. PianoDan (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
@PianoDan: I have reset the flag. As the helpdesk is semi protected new users like UnidigitalHR have to use the talk page. TSventon (talk) 19:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Got it, thanks for the clarification. PianoDan (talk) 22:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Already done by TSventon as noted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2024
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Subject: Request for Immediate Removal of Blasphemous Images from the "Kaaba" Misplaced Pages Page Dear Misplaced Pages Team, I hope this message finds you well. My name is , and I am writing as a member of the Muslim community deeply concerned about the presence of pictorial depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his blessed companions on the Misplaced Pages page titled "Kaaba" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Kaaba). These images, located under the 'History' tab, are highly offensive and blasphemous to Muslims around the world, as any visual representation of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is strictly prohibited in Islam. The specific images in question are: 1. "Muhammad at the Ka'ba" from the Siyer-i Nebi, showing Muhammad with a veiled face, c. 1595. 2. A miniature from 1307 CE depicting Muhammad fixing the black stone into the Kaaba. These images not only disrespect our beliefs but also deeply hurt the sentiments of millions in the Muslim community, including myself. The existence of these images on a public platform like Misplaced Pages fosters misunderstanding and disrespects our faith, which is rooted in profound reverence for our beloved Last Prophet (Peace be Upon Him). We kindly request that these images be removed from the Misplaced Pages page immediately, without any delay or further explanation. We understand that Misplaced Pages requires supporting evidence for high-profile articles. In this case, the prohibition of visual depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is well-documented in Islamic teachings and widely recognized by scholars and religious authorities. Numerous fatwas based on Qur'anic scripture and hadith traditions from all schools of thought strictly prohibit drawing images of the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his blessed companions, deeming such acts as blasphemy. This prohibition is rooted in Islamic teachings that emphasize the importance of avoiding idolatry and misrepresentation. Scholars unanimously agree that there is no permissibility whatsoever for visual representations of the Last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or his blessed companions, as such depictions are considered blasphemous and fundamentally incompatible with Islamic teachings. Furthermore, surveys indicate that a significant portion of Muslims find such depictions offensive. The Journal of Islamic Thought and Civilization highlights that Muslims believe visual depictions of all prophets should be prohibited, particularly those of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as they hurt their emotions and go against their faith (Journal of Islamic Thought and Civilization). We urge you to consider the sensitivity of this matter and its impact on millions of Muslims worldwide. Addressing Misplaced Pages's FAQ: 1.Misplaced Pages is not censored: While Misplaced Pages aims to provide a neutral point of view, it is essential to consider how these images offend deeply held beliefs. The presence of such content does not foster an inclusive environment for all users. 2.Historical accuracy: The images in question are historically inaccurate, as acknowledged by Misplaced Pages. The artists who created these works lived centuries after Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and could not have seen him. Using inaccurate images perpetuates misconceptions rather than providing educational value. 3.Offense to Muslims: Misplaced Pages recognizes that depictions of Muhammad are offensive to many Muslims. This offense affects millions globally and cannot be dismissed as a minor issue. Suggesting that users change their settings to hide images is not a viable solution; such representations on a public platform like Misplaced Pages perpetuate disrespect and harm. 4.Preventing idolatry: The traditional prohibition against images of prophets serves to prevent idolatry—a principle that should be respected in any educational context. The presence of these images on Misplaced Pages violates this fundamental religious principle. 5.Comparison to other figures: While Misplaced Pages may use images of historical figures like Jesus, it is crucial to note that any depiction of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) is universally forbidden in Islam. This distinction makes comparisons inadequate and unjustifiable. 6.Separate link for images: Creating a separate link for these images is also not an acceptable solution. The core issue remains that any depiction of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) is considered blasphemous in Islam, and there is no allowance for such visual representations under any circumstances. The existence of these images on a public platform like Misplaced Pages is inherently offensive and harmful. We acknowledge the FAQ section on the Talk:Muhammad page but believe that this request warrants special consideration due to its unique nature. The presence of these images does not contribute to the educational value of the article but rather perpetuates significant cultural and religious offense. Examples of Content Removal from Misplaced Pages 1.John Seigenthaler Misplaced Pages Hoax (2005): A false and defamatory article about journalist John Seigenthaler was posted on Misplaced Pages and removed after being identified. This instance illustrates Misplaced Pages's commitment to maintaining content integrity by removing material that is harmful or misleading. 2.Essjay Controversy (2007): Contributions from a prominent Misplaced Pages editor who falsified his credentials were scrutinized and subsequently removed, demonstrating that Misplaced Pages actively removes content undermining its reliability. 3.Wiki-PR Scandal (2012): Manipulated content created by a company using sockpuppet accounts was removed, showcasing Misplaced Pages's efforts to prevent abuse of its platform. 4.Orangemoody Investigation (2015): Fraudulent content posted by a group of blackmailers using sockpuppet accounts was removed, highlighting Misplaced Pages's proactive stance against harmful content. Relevant Policies Misplaced Pages's Policy on Images: According to your guidelines, "images that would bring the project into disrepute... may be removed by any user." The continued presence of these offensive images directly contradicts this policy as they clearly offend a significant portion of users. Misplaced Pages's Policy on Offensive Material: 1.According to Misplaced Pages: Offensive material, while Misplaced Pages aims to include material that may offend, it explicitly states that "offensive words and offensive images should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner." The inclusion of these blasphemous images does not meet this criterion as they serve no educational purpose but rather cause harm. 2.Neutral Point of View: As outlined in Misplaced Pages's Guide to Deletion, all content must adhere to a neutral point of view (NPOV). The presence of these offensive images violates this policy by failing to respect a significant portion of your readership who find such content unacceptable. 3.Speedy Deletion Policy: This policy states that pages can be deleted without discussion if they meet criteria for speedy deletion due to being obviously inappropriate for Misplaced Pages (Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy). Given their blasphemous nature, these images qualify for immediate removal under this guideline. 4.Content Integrity Maintenance: Content that undermines Misplaced Pages's reliability or trustworthiness can be removed proactively by editors or administrators (Misplaced Pages:Content Integrity). Allowing these offensive images undermines your credibility as an encyclopedia committed to accuracy and respect. 5.Adherence to Neutrality: Misplaced Pages has a strong stance against Holocaust denial and antisemitism, clearly reflected in the Holocaust denial page, which debunks false claims and provides historical evidence. This commitment to neutrality and respect for deeply held beliefs should be extended to the depiction of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as well. Handling of Other Sensitive Topics: 1.Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Misplaced Pages handles content related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with sensitivity and neutrality, ensuring a balanced representation of different perspectives. 2.Abortion: Misplaced Pages presents diverse viewpoints on abortion respectfully, acknowledging the sensitivity of the topic. 3.Censorship and Internet Freedom: Misplaced Pages respects local laws and cultural sensitivities, demonstrating its commitment to respecting different cultural and religious practices. In light of these considerations and your own policies, I urge you to take immediate action to remove these offensive images from the "Kaaba" page and review your guidelines regarding sensitive religious content moving forward. |
Thank you for your understanding and swift action on this matter.
Sincerely, Yasha Ullah Afghan Jeelanshah (talk) 07:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- You might place this request at Talk:Kaaba instead. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Misplaced Pages:Help desk. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. — Czello 07:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Spelling change
In the entry on myself the word reversionary should be revisionist 2A00:23C6:B200:5B01:9915:C992:3A97:2B7F (talk) 17:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's difficult to help you without knowing the article you're referring to. 331dot (talk) 17:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024
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i created an English translation of the Arabic article for the director and actor ABDULRAHMAN THAHER, the link of English translation is User:Abduddaher/Abdulahman Thaher how can it become possible to publish for public on Misplaced Pages?? any advice for this article?? Abduddaher (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are you writing about yourself? I have added the information to let you submit the draft. 331dot (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024 (2)
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Please change the page for Joshua L. Pomer, https://en.wikipedia.org/Joshua_L._Pomer, to be entitled "Josh Pomer" instead. No one knows this filmmaker's middle initial, therefore it is difficult to find the page when searching for him. His identifiable name is "Josh Pomer." https://www.thesurfnetwork.com/studio/Josh%20Pomer%20Films Surfwizard (talk) 23:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: page move requests should be made at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. Additionally, this is the help desk talk page. You should request this at Talk:Joshua L. Pomer. JJPMaster (she/they) 23:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2025
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Westie4680 (talk) 07:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I would like to edit please
- Not done: You are able to edit on most pages. If you are unable to, leave a message on the associated talk page with what you want to edit. For articles, it is best to quote what you want changed and give proposed text with a reliable source provided. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)