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	== Thank-you Steve. ==
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	Just a note to say thanks for the time you've put into keeping me focused on Misplaced Pages ideals and on developing some of the articles I started.
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	] (]) 00:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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	: You're too kind! If I recall, our common articles were Wabigama and some of the fouding members! I remember we had a disagreement about the notability of the club! However, I rmember helping find information about a couple of the founders (and I'm glad that those article are still present!). As I said at the time, I don't aim to get articles deleted - if reliable sources (even if it's just a couple of them!) are all I look for - and I quite enjoy finding them. As I said before, if you ever have any questions, please feel free to contact me - I'll do my best to help out, or direct you to where people more knowledgeable than me can be found! Regards, -- ''']''' (], ]) 11:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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	== Sorry ==
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	hi i didnt do dat wrong revisions in ] article.
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	thnx for undo.{{unsigned\|Urprakhar\|08:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)}}
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	: Thanks for your comment! I know that it wasn't you - it was a vandal. I sometimes do "vandal patrol", and the page is one which came up! Regards, -- ''']''' (], ]) 11:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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	== newbie and editing :) ==
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	Thank you for answering so quickly,
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	I will give it a go now, hopefully i did it correctly.
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	cheers ] (]) 08:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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	: You are very welcome! One of the things I like doing on Misplaced Pages is giving advice and help - I hope you got sorted OK! -- ''']''' (], ]) 11:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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	:: Looking at your contributions, I see that you managed to get your edit to work on the ] article - well done! If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask! Regards, -- ''']''' (], ]) 11:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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	That user talk page will be deleted because there is no longer a user in the future. I will have to put <s>Strike-through text</s> on the user talk page called 75.141.100.115. ] (]) 05:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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	Please refer to the talk page of the specified article and look to the second half, where most complaints as to the biased nature in which the article was created and is kept are stored. Some are years old. I do not appreciate being directed to an opinion grave. I have read the criteria for speedy deletion, as I also have WP:NOTPERFECT. ] (]) 08:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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	: At least 3 admins do not believe that this is an attack page. Although admins are not perfect, that does not mean that they are always wrong!
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	: Yes, some of the discussion points on the article's page are up to 2-1/2 years old. However, many of those points appear to have been addressed. Again, I highly recommend that you leave a message on the talk page giving ''specifics'' about why you feel that this article is an attack page. What ''exactly'' do you feel is inaccurate? Can you provide ] showing this to be the case? If you re-insert a speedy deletion tag, you are running the risk of being blocked - you have been made aware that you should not do this, and your replies indicate that you have seen the messages about this.
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	: Again, I strongly suggest that you discuss this on the article's talk page. It is very rare that an article that is this old (more than 6 years old) requires deleting in its entirety - it is certainly possible that specific words/sentences/sections might need removing or improving. However, this is a discussion for the talk page of the article, rather than unilateral action.
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	: You said that you have read the criteria for speedy deletion - I do not see where in the article it disparages or threatens Dembski, which are the words used in the Speedy Deletion policy. However, for a speedy deletion to be required, all (or the vast majority of) the article needs to be disparaging or threatening Dembski. -- ''']''' (], ]) 08:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
	::Would you like me to quote for you the alleged bias? By the way of your comments, you seem to have not noticed that I had already posted comments to the aforementioned talk page. Also, I knew the risk of posting all that I did. I will take such risks if warranted. ] (]) 08:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
	:::I did see your 2 comments on the talk page (left just over 2 hours ago) - and to be honest, I do not know enough about this subject to comment on it - and I have no desire to use the limited time I have available at the moment to look into it. I would suggest that you leave more than a couple of hours for people to comment! As the editors on Misplaced Pages are from all over the world, I would leave it at ''least'' 24 hours before deciding that no one is paying attention. Also, I noticed that in the "Perakh quote/piecemeal treatment of writings" section, you did get a reply (from dave souza), who indicated that your opinion was against that shown in reliable third-party sources. I would again suggest that you take this up on the talk page - respond to dave souze (I realise that their reply was only made about 20 mins ago, so you may not have seen it yet); wait for a response to your comment at the "Peer review, Nature, and UD" section. As I say, I do not know this subject well enough to be able to comment, and as I have to go out soon, I do not have time (or if I'm honest, the inclination) to look into this in the detail which would be required.
	:::''However'' I do know that there is no reason to delete the entire article! As I have previously said, if there are specific sections that can be improved, that is one thing - wholesale deletion is not a viable option, I would venture to suggest!
	:::Continue to discuss it, allow people the chance to respond - and go from there. As this is an article about an American, I would expect that most of the editors with the relevant knowledge will be in America - and as it is the early hours of the morning over there, they are unlikely to have seen your comments yet!
	:::As far as I am concerned, I have said everything that I am going to say about this article. However, if you have any other questions (about editing other articles, Misplaced Pages's policies, etc), please feel free to contact me again. -- ''']''' (], ]) 09:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
	::::I am in Hartford, Connecticut, the United States of America. I have read every article that you have prompted me to read, incidentally, before you did prompt such. Also, there has been discussion concerning exactly what I am concerned about. The article has already been put for speedy deletion by other contributors. The speedy deletion flag was put down by other contributors. The article is consistantly biased and only speaks of controversy regarding the man's beliefs and prose. If that is not bias in your opinion, then I need to, ironically, provoke you with WP:NOTPERFECT. I am not speaking to the innaccuracy of the article. I am speaking to the bias of the sources, the obviously absurd unreliability of the sources, and the consistancy of the article it self. The article is about the man, not about how his life's work is controversial to groups of peoples. A section regarding a study or book of his should not only be concerning it's opposition. By ignoring these bias, you are very much WP:NOTPERFECT. ] (]) 09:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I am also very much ''not'' an admin! I am not ignoring bias - I do not know anything about this person, his life or his work. To be able to comment in a reasoned way, I would need to spend time looking into it - and to be honest, I have more important things (to ''me'') to do, than spend hours looking into this subject. My advice to you would be to address (on the talk page) the specific sources. Explain why you consider them to be biased, something along the lines of "The book ''Fred Blogs'' by ''John Smith'' is biased/unreliable because...", "The article ''Am I Biased?'' written by ''Mark Jones'' in the September 2009 issue of "Issues in Bias Monthly" shows bias/is unreliable because...". Please note that I am not being flippant here! If you can provide specific examples with reliable, independent sources backing up your arguments, then you are more likely to get reasoned responses - people can respond to specific allegations of bias. Use ] to back up your contentions of bias/unreliability - can you find independent sources to back up what you are saying?
	:::::As to whether the focus of the article is correct or not, I would leave that to people with more knowledge on the subject - which may or may not include you, I don't know! All I do know is that I am not one of those people! My gut instinct is that showing that a person is considered controversial by other people is a valid part of an article about a person. Sometimes it is in a specific "critical response" or "criticisms" section, sometimes it is not - but the mention of any controversy is part of a balanced coverage, I would have thought. If some people feel (and there are independent, reliable sources) that there are criticisms to be made, these should be mentioned in the article.
	:::::If you have any questions on ''other'' articles, please feel free to leave them! I will not comment any further on this particular article, as I think I have made my position quite clear - please do not take it as rudeness on my part! However, any other articles you want to discuss, or advice about editing, I am quite happy to respond to. Regards, -- ''']''' (], ]) 09:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Over seventy and five percent of the one hundred and twenty-one cited sources are in direct opposition to the man, including those that are used for the early history of his career. I have already made two simple edits in the first two paragraphs, removing blatant bias. That is to ignore the fact that many of those sources are biased by nature. ] mandates that there must be equal weight given to both sides of any arguement, those sources cited must be credible, there must be sources cited, etc.. I did not give specific examples before. You do ask why? There are '''so''' many! The '''whole article''' is biased. You are responding under the assumption that the administrators were justified by their flippant decisions regarding my speedy deletion flag. I really believe that the issue is that they themselves are biased, they are flippant, they are ignorant, they are lazy, and they are too scared to consider serious deletion or major deletion of such an old article!] (]) 10:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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