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== http://wikimediafoundation.org/Support_Wikipedia2 ==

Couldn't hurt to have a link to ] and ] on that page, so people can read about what they are donating to if they reached the page from somewhere else. ] (]) 08:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

== And another thing... ==

Additionally, I really wish you/staff/someone would take the account restrictions off wikimediafoundation.org. Either by just quietly opening registrations or lowering the approval standards on the request page to near non-existent levels. ] (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 08:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Please block and ban LKD ==

A few days ago ] claimed Bertram to deny the genocide commited by Nazi Germany (verbatim: '"). That's not chicken feed and LKD was pressed to deliver suitable diff links to evidence this outrageous allegation but never furnished proof (and never ever will be able to provide a diff link for there simply are no diff links).
(Meanwile they actually bring forward the 'argument' he who doesn't deny the holocaust on wikipedia must be a holocaust denier because he avoids to deny the holocaust and therfore ist to bee expulsed from wikipedia. Bravos!)

But back to topic. for such a defamatory statement is in my humble opinion not good enough by half. LKD is in a very tight corner. But nevertheless LKD's defamation is an undreamt scandal, LKD still isn't blocked and banned. Until now no admin on de.wikipedia.org screwed up his courage.

Well, I'm not here to have a heart-to-heart talk and I don't even say love me, love my dog. But Attention, please. invite you and the Wikimedia Foundation Inc. to please block and ban LKD.


Yours sincerly


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--] (]) 08:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC) ) (that's me: ])


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:*Dear Bert, I'm afraid that this page here isn't the right place to air your grievances, perhaps you might want to go back to the '''''German Language Misplaced Pages''''' to file a proper complaint there as this here is the '''''English Language Misplaced Pages''''', please note that administrator(s) on either side generally has no cross-version sanctioning powers. Correct me I'm wrong, anyone else got any thoughts to add? --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 08:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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::Dear Dave, I guess Wikimedia Foundation Inc. as an operating company has got cross-version sanctioning powers in a severe case like this. --] (]) 09:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
|}<span id="Benison:1734890634947:User_talkFTTCLNJimbo_Wales" class="FTTCmt">&mdash;&nbsp;Benison <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
:::*I have to say that you are absolutely right about it but this place is '''''English Misplaced Pages''''', your complaint should thus be directed to '''Wikimedia''' instead, don't you think so? Or do you think I'm not trying to help you? There are proper channels and procedures to do thing(s), you don't go straight to the President of the United States to complain if someone in your town calls someone an idiot, right? --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 09:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::::*Dear Dave, thanx for trying to help me. I would appreciate it very much if I would volunteer to direct this complaint to Wikimedia. I must admit that I haven't got the faintest idea how and whereto address my complaint. Thanks a lot in advance. Sincerly --] (]) 10:13, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::*Look no further than at the "A Wikimedia project" icon located at the left bottom of your browser's page, I'm sure you'll be slapping your forehead now for missing it all this while you had been searching high and low for it, eh? Go there and ask for help, have fun! --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 10:30, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::* Interesting point. You mean, wikipedia is the wrong address for placing such things? But the donors give their money mostly to create the encyclopedia '''wikipedia, not wikimedia'''. And who you think is the right address for complaints Regards Mutter Erde ] (]) 12:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


== Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc. ==
:Please note that Bertram has been following ] on de.wp. --] (]) 12:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::Is that perm? I hope it is. (Jew here)--] (]) 13:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, it is. --] (]) 13:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Good.--] (]) 15:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to {{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old2}} with ], so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "{{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old}}" was ]. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see ]! I hope this is all OK with you.
== an international Supreme Content panel ? ==


It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So ] is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the ], a ] about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a ] of ] on ]! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon ] (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but ].
You might want to read this by ]. He seems to propose an independent panel of philosophers, journalists, scientists and experts to deal with content issues such as those recently with the ] case. —] (] • ]) 15:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:Its an interesting piece, though less-than flattering to WP.The suggestion to have an independent panel might have its uses, but it would not address the Werle case. Is he advocating that this panel decide when WP should follow local laws and when it shouldn´t? If it follows some, such as Germany's privacy laws, wouldn't it then be open to arguments from other laws, including Thai laws about their king? If we were to have such a panel, I could see it for resolving content disputes in specialized fields, although we have arbitration committees for this purpose. If WP hasnt followed newspapers and periodicals in having a similar editorial board, it is because we are international and most traditional journal still follow a more local mindset.] (]) 16:42, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::I think it is a pretty offensive piece, actually. He acknowledges on the one hand that Wikipedians produced 60 pages of argument about this case, and boldly insults the participants of that debate by claiming that our process amounts to "the favorite basement project of anonymous 13-year-olds." He claims (correctly) that such decisions are too much and too important to be made unilaterally by one person (even if it is me :-) ), but fails to notice that I had absolutely nothing to do with the Wolfgang Werle decision - or hundreds of other decisions made thoughtfully here every day without me even knowing about it. (What does he suppose people were arguing about for 60 pages? It certainly wasn't about how to convince me of anything, since I don't think anyone would suggest that it is or should be up to me to make detailed content decisions of that type.)
::None of that reflects well on his suggestion that we find a board of "experts" to overrule community consensus.--] (]) 17:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It is certainly overstated for effect, particularly the 13 year old bit. But I'd say the rest pretty much hits the mark of showing up the downside of Misplaced Pages's remarkable success. Thankfully he doesn't make the normal error that critics make when they try to combine the "wikipedia is chaotic, and irresponsible" line with "it's all a sinister ploy by control-freak Jimbo to distort knowledge to his favoured version". But beyond that there is a bit of a scattergun approach to it. I'd say the question of responsibility is at the heart of it. Misplaced Pages tends to work best on fairly popular subjects - there's enough knowledgeable people there to correct errors and enough of a cross-spectrum to eliminate the worst biases. On lower interest stuff, it is hit and miss. It may be written by an expert(of whatever age) or it may have been written or changed by a moron, or a fringe nutter (who may be 13, but may equally be 31). However, the other problem is accountability. Most publications are accountable - to the laws of their land - to the laws of libel - to the tastes of the reader/customer - to the desire of the writer to retain professional credibility - and to the ethics of the owner/editor/publisher. Misplaced Pages tends to be written by the anonymous/pseudonymous for whom their are no effective external consequences. Further, there are few internal ones either - sure we ban the worst BLP carefrees - but there is no editor-in-chief saying "I don't care if that's legal - we're not going there". Anti-censorship campaigners may think the German State's "clean start" doctrine is evil (I might even be persuaded to agree) but I'm a lot more comfortable with such decisions being made by a democratically accountable German legislature and judiciary rather than by "whoever turns up" on wikipedia. It is easy to pontificate when you face neither the consequences nor accountability for your decision. PS Jimmy, why do you put "experts" in scare quotes? If that betrays your contempt for expertise, then I am more than a little concerned.--] 18:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I have no contempt for expertise! I'm actually quite elitist in my outlook in that regard. I just don't think every invocation of the word 'expert' indicates a real desire for genuine expertise.--] (]) 10:27, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


As noted in various places like ], your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). ] (]) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
I too think that the piece is not meant to be offensive, nor should be interpreted like that. The problem I have is that this panel is either gonna be a 24hour job for people, and help issues before they get to court, or can't stop things from reaching court. I also think that court is actually a good thing, because it is the only way any of these issues are ever gonna be settled in international law. Still, much as the Foundation has an Advisory Board, there might be something to be said for a Content Advisory Board. Perhaps we shouldn't dismiss suggestions people make too quickly ? —] (] • ]) 13:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


:Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. ] (]) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:A content board is unworkable, even if desirable. You'd have every contentious article at it every three minutes. OTRS receives dozens of valid complaints a day, the board would too. No sooner had they ruled on an article than someone would make some other changes (it is a wiki) and you'd be back to square one. What wikipedia needs is two things: 1) a properly worked out code of content ethics (guidelines that spell out "do no harm") 2) a willingness to consider "maintainability" as a key principle when living people and real organisations are at stake. Yes, this article ''could'' be written neutrally, but given what we know of our system, the interest in the article, and the nature of the subject, will it be maintained in a form that's fair to the subject? Sure, we can't guarantee that for any article - however, there are some articles where we can almost guarantee the opposite. In such cases, we need to reduce the risk of "unfair treatment of the subject" - sometimes permanent semi-protection will do that sufficiently - sometimes it needs more, perhaps "semi-protection plus" (only regular editors with a proven record of clue can edit this) - and sometimes deletion is appropriate (wikipedia's current systems can't handle this subject without unacceptable risk of unfair treatment). The problem at the moment is we don't distinguish what we can in theory do fairly, from what we are very unlikely to actually do fairly.--] 15:05, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
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:Jimbo doesn't protect his user page because he actually believes in the wiki process, encourages others to edit his user page, and genuinely hopes and expects others will make positive contributions to his user page. He also recognizes that vandalism is easily reverted. —] 09:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
::Also, Jimbo has one essential role for the duration of his association with Misplaced Pages - one that no-one else can ever fulfill; he is a lightning conductor for vandalism, trolls and SPA's. They get drawn to this page, and vandalise it in the certainty that it will be seen by a large audience... Of course, being typical vandalising troll SPA's they don't realise that the large audience means the edits will be very quickly reverted and get them warned/blocked. Bless them, and copper sheathed Jimbo. ] (]) 09:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

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    Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

    Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
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    Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc.

    Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to User:Jimbo Wales/old2 with a little assistance, so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "User:Jimbo Wales/old" was already taken. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see the first version of your user page on 19 January 2001 (UTC)! I hope this is all OK with you.

    It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So WikiProject Women in Red is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the draft press release about this event, a question was raised about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a definitive answer of Rosa Parks on 21 January 2001 (UTC)! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon Thomas Edison (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but not any more.

    As noted in various places like this discussion, your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported all of them to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    No worries. My Christmas gifts are so predictable, as I realised later. Graham87 (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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