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==accrediting==


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1. LBU claims that they are listed in the directory, but they are not listed in the directory. I have changed the article to reflect this.


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2. AACTS has no status with any federal agency. Whether or not it "desires" any status with any federal agency is their business. You can put it in the AACTS article if you like. If you can provide a source from AACTS saying they have not attempted to secure status with the government, then go ahead and put it in.
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*Attempted to fix sourcing for www.lbu.edu/front.htm
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==Problem paragraph ==


Cheers.—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Online</sub></small> 17:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
The following paragraph needs some help. Not only is it enormous, but it needs to be edited for nPOV. I'm going to paste it here, then I'm going to make some edits, so that it will be improved.


== Accreditation ==
Unlike accredited schools and even many that are not accredited, LBU does not make graduate student research available to the academic community. This is considered unusual because the purpose of graduate work is to conduct research, write and publish the results in a graduate-level document (a thesis or dissertation) and add that material to academia, recording and storing the additions to human knowledge in a form readily available to other researchers and interested parties. A master's thesis is microfilmed and made available for loan from accredited schools, and a dissertation obtainable in similiar fashion. Doctoral work is also despoited in the United States Library of Congress, available to interested parties wishing to examine the work. Because the policy at LBU does not require these fairly standard practices, it is difficult to determine the quality of graduate work completed at the University, and it is, therefore, also difficult to determine the quality of the instruction. On the other hand, students of the institution claim that LBU does require graduate students to provide hardbound copies of the thesis or the dissertation to the University. It is then stored in the University library. Interested parties wishing to examine a thesis or dissertation are permitted to do so, but may not obtain or examine it by conventional channels. They must visit this library to conduct the examination. Oddly, however, LBU students questioned about this seem unable to identify the exact location or name of the building that houses the library or, failing that, the exact location of the building in which the collection of graduate documents is kept. The University web pages are no more informative with respect to this, rather important piece of information. This has been a major stumbling block for many wishing to examine the intellectual and academic credentials of an LBU graduate.


Just wanted to give a heads up on what edits I have made. Firstly, this school is a mill. When the staff all has degrees from other mils and the school in question, we have issues. Secondly, I have cleaned up the whole section on accreditation. By that I mean I have deleted all the nonsense that was not related to accreditation in any way.
New paragraph:


Lastly, this school has not been granted a charter to operate. LBU was is exempt from the law.
Unlike accredited schools, LBU does not make graduate student research available to the academic community. This is considered unusual because the purpose of graduate work is to conduct research, write and publish the results in a graduate-level document (a thesis or dissertation) and add that material to academia, recording and storing the additions to human knowledge in a form readily available to other researchers and interested parties. A master's thesis is microfilmed and made available for loan from accredited schools, and a dissertation obtainable in similiar fashion. Doctoral work is also despoited in the United States Library of Congress, available to interested parties wishing to examine the work. Because the policy at LBU does not require these practices, it is difficult to determine the quality of graduate work completed at the University, and it is, therefore, also difficult to determine the quality of the instruction.


The wording and the word play are all aimed at furthering the mission of deception of students.
Students of the institution cay that LBU does require graduate students to provide hardbound copies of the thesis or the dissertation to the University. It is then stored in the University library. Interested parties wishing to examine a thesis or dissertation are permitted to do so, but may not obtain or examine it by conventional channels. They must visit this library to conduct the examination.
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1. Removed "and even many that are not accredited". Need proof or else its POV.

2. Changed "Because the policy at LBU does not require these fairly standard practices" to "Because the policy at LBU does not require these practices". Need proof that these practices are fairly standard for universities of its type or of universities in general or else its POV.
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3. Changed "On the other hand, students of the institution claim that LBU does require" to "Students of the institution say that LBU does require". Changed "claim" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:NPOV_tutorial - "Minding your nuances" for why)
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4. Removed "Oddly, however, LBU students questioned about this seem unable to identify the exact location or name of the building that houses the library or, failing that, the exact location of the building in which the collection of graduate documents is kept. The University web pages are no more informative with respect to this, rather important piece of information. This has been a major stumbling block for many wishing to examine the intellectual and academic credentials of an LBU graduate." because:

a) Who are these students?
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b) Were they distance learning students or on-campus students? It would be understandable if distance learning students didn't know where the library in Shreveport, Louisiana was located.

c) Why should the university web site tell people the location of the physical, campus library? Is this unusual that it doesn't?
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d) To say "this has been a major stumbling block for many wishing to examine . . ." sounds very POV. Who are these many people and can you verify this? --] 02:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

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== Multiple problems ==

Under the heading Accreditation there are multiple false claims and weasel word. Also its memberships and associations are not accreditation so needs to be moved.

I want to add information about its past claims to be accredited as well as it lossing the one actual accreditation it held.

Lastly it is not authorized or approved to grant degrees by anyone. They are exempt, huge difference.
I am pinging ] because of the last reverted he did. ] (]) 16:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
: Hej {{u|Supercopone}} your first part of the edit was sourced to google groups - which is not a reliable source, and the second part was unsourced. --] (]) 17:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

That google is an exception due to the fact they were pioneers in distance education reform. The gentleman I cited is considered to be a top expert in degree mill and alternative education. We have a long history of using their information. I cited the schools own use of the accreditation per there website. I will improve sources and post here ] (]) 17:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure we can’t use personal conversations. But yeah if you have more sources, the content should be brought back! ] (]) 18:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

That google group on education had multiple government officials, Allan, Dr. Bear, and more. These are the people congress turns to for input on nonstandard education. I encourage you to take a look at the sources one more time. Second problem is TRACs refuses to provide information on schools it has previously accredited like LBU. So it tall occurring pre common internet makes it hard to find sources on it failing Tracs accreditation. it will put some stuff together! Thanks!] (]) 19:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok found a great source. Name_it_and_frame_ it.
Lets get those links restored. I think them losing their accreditation is something that they are wanting to hide and make claims they chose not to be accredited. Being rejected from multiple accreditation bodies is telling.] (]) 20:03, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok ] what do you think?] (]) 03:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Just wanted to give a heads up on what edits I have made. Firstly, this school is a mill. When the staff all has degrees from other mils and the school in question, we have issues. Secondly, I have cleaned up the whole section on accreditation. By that I mean I have deleted all the nonsense that was not related to accreditation in any way.

Lastly, this school has not been granted a charter to operate. LBU was is exempt from the law.

The wording and the word play are all aimed at furthering the mission of deception of students. Super (talk) 06:11, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

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Multiple problems

Under the heading Accreditation there are multiple false claims and weasel word. Also its memberships and associations are not accreditation so needs to be moved.

I want to add information about its past claims to be accredited as well as it lossing the one actual accreditation it held.

Lastly it is not authorized or approved to grant degrees by anyone. They are exempt, huge difference. I am pinging User:Mvbaron because of the last reverted he did. Super (talk) 16:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hej Supercopone your first part of the edit was sourced to google groups - which is not a reliable source, and the second part was unsourced. --Mvbaron (talk) 17:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

That google is an exception due to the fact they were pioneers in distance education reform. The gentleman I cited is considered to be a top expert in degree mill and alternative education. We have a long history of using their information. I cited the schools own use of the accreditation per there website. I will improve sources and post here Super (talk) 17:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure we can’t use personal conversations. But yeah if you have more sources, the content should be brought back! Mvbaron (talk) 18:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

That google group on education had multiple government officials, Allan, Dr. Bear, and more. These are the people congress turns to for input on nonstandard education. I encourage you to take a look at the sources one more time. Second problem is TRACs refuses to provide information on schools it has previously accredited like LBU. So it tall occurring pre common internet makes it hard to find sources on it failing Tracs accreditation. it will put some stuff together! Thanks!Super (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok found a great source. Name_it_and_frame_ it. Lets get those links restored. I think them losing their accreditation is something that they are wanting to hide and make claims they chose not to be accredited. Being rejected from multiple accreditation bodies is telling.Super (talk) 20:03, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok User:Mvbaron what do you think?Super (talk) 03:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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