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ProKMT

I’m not sure they should be editing any China related articles. Doug Weller talk 19:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I sincerely don't think they should - but I'm not inclined to take another person to AN/I for WP:CIR when I've already involved in the two oldest disputes that haven't yet been archived there. Simonm223 (talk) 19:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Don’t blame you. They are editing at a prodigious rate. Unusual for someone not trying to get 500. Doug Weller talk 20:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

This is starting to look a lot like WP:RADAR - I'm a bit concerned about their tendency to page-hop and just ignore any comments suggesting they discuss edits. Simonm223 (talk) 13:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

So are you asking me to do something? Doug Weller talk 13:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I think maybe a warning from an admin might carry more weight at this point - I don't want to give the appearance of stalking a user but these dozens of small edits across multiple pages are looking like a worrying pattern. If I thought they'd actually do it I'd suggest they stop for a moment and go to Wikiproject China to discuss the overall thrust of what they're doing. But I don't have much confidence they'll listen at this point. Simonm223 (talk) 13:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how I would word it, sorry. Doug Weller talk 14:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposed decision in the Venezuelan politics case posted

The proposed decision in the open Venezuelan politics arbitration case has been posted. Comments on the proposed decision may be brought to the attention of the committee at the talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz 17:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

No you were right

Springee just responded by telling giving me a contentious topic alert.

Yeah I just realized that telling you personally that, though we both found out about the problem article at the same time, might give fodder to other users to cry canvassing. I always try to operate firmly within Misplaced Pages rules so thought better of posting for that reason. For obvious reasons I trust you to act with regard to that article as you would have with the information you already had at your disposal and notwithstanding my concerns. :) Simonm223 (talk) 12:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

it is not canvassing for two editors to talk openly on a talk page about the sort of egregious ugliness I just saw. It would not even be canvassing to post it at a noticeboard, depending on how it was done. Nor would it be canvassing for you to use the email link that is enabled on my page. I was going to tell you that this looks like they got tired of getting shut down on the main pages and made their own. But. This just became my top priority; I was about to write up the fact that we are using sources stealth funded by the Manning Foundation at Jordan Peterson, but I really need to look into who did this and what happened. Ugh ugh and ugh. 13:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

November 2024

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Game Science. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. You have made several edits trying to remove a mainstream media source . --Cold Season (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I think you might want to review WP:DTR Simonm223 (talk) 17:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

November 2024

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cand q

Thank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore:

• Liviu Holender chose lieder by five composers whose music was banned by the Nazis—Schreker, Zemlinsky, Mahler, Korngold and Schönberg—for a recital at the Oper Frankfurt.

What does this 2024 DYK tell you about infoboxes for classical composers in 2024? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

It would suggest that Holender is fond of early modernist composers - and felt responding to Nazi censorship of art still was relevant as a curatorial statement today. Simonm223 (talk) 16:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - Well, 11 years ago infoboxes for classical composers where a hot topic. If you look at the talk pages of the 5 composers, do you think they still are? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

There's no consistency in the infoboxes across these five composers. Schreker and Zemlinsky have one template, Mahler doesn't have an infobox, then Korngold and Schoenberg have different layouts for theirs. The Korngold talk page refers to heated discussion about infoboxes in 2007. There's a recent discussion at Schoenberg about infoboxes that is resolved with a gesture in the direction of the W:MOS. There is a current, long-running and lively debate about infoboxes at the Mahler talk page that should probably have been put to an RfC some time ago. There's no conversation at the Zemlinsky page unless it's been archived but, considering nothing has been archived since 2007, I find that unlikely. Likewise with Schreker there's no indication of any discussion about infoboxes in the last 15 years. It would appear that the page of the most famous composer of the five remains watched by holdouts who disagree with putting infoboxes on composers but that these other four pages either didn't have activist watchers or consensus simply played out differently.

The truth is that while I see the shadow of an entrenched conflict, via Mahler, I don't think this is anywhere near the point where arbitration is called on. In the Mahler case there's still RfC, request for 3O and dispute resolution as possible steps to resolve the half-year long debate. I'm not certain if this is what you're looking for. Simonm223 (talk) 14:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I did notice, in the Mahler discussion, that you and Tim riley appear to have history surrounding the question of infoboxes. I commend your restraint not to have cautioned him on civility in that moment as I might have (lol). However, based just on the Mahler talk page, I'd say that the best course of action would probably be an RfC. Simonm223 (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Following up, as it seems you're hoping to see whether candidates have some basic on-wiki research skills I did find this arbitration case which I'm now reading. Simonm223 (talk) 14:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

OK I've finished reading the file. I'm not sure how things got that bad over the topic of infoboxes a decade ago but I do hope that cooler heads can prevail in general today. Simonm223 (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

I will vote for you! Inquiring mind! - You may study further, the RfC for Mozart is in Archive 16 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

(new posts to Mahler) I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. (no time for little boxes) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Revdel requests

Hi, it defeats the purpose of oversight to post requests at high profile noticeboards: the edit notice you see while you are are posting says If the issue or concern involves a privacy-related matter, or involves any potential libel or defamation, do not post it here. If you need an edit or log entry to be revision-deleted or suppressed (oversighted), or if you need to discuss any privacy-related matters, please send the relevant diffs and information either using this form, or via e-mail to oversight-en-wp@wikipedia.org. If a suppression action is pending, consider asking an administrator privately to revision-delete the information in the meantime. Revision deletion and suppression may also be requested privately via IRC: #wikipedia-en-revdel. Oversight usually deal with it ASAP. SerialNumber54129 16:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah you can trout me for that one. I know that. I just did a stupid. I'm writing the email now. Simonm223 (talk) 17:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

No worries—and sorry about my slightly robust edit summary—nothing personal! SerialNumber54129 17:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely no problem. Simonm223 (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I've suppressed some revisions, and opened a discussion on the OS list. Don't worry about the email unless there's more info you need to send us that isn't in the page history or in your AN post. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Nope. But, as a note, I'd already sent the email by the time you replied to me here. Thank you for your prompt response. Simonm223 (talk) 17:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hm, I received the tickets in backwards order, but thanks, that's not on you. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

You're good!

Thanks for the apology at AE. Part of it, though was on me not explaining the entire situation the best, so I'd have been fine without one. I should have been better at pointing out their pattern of bludgeoning / selective interpretation of policy but didn't want to include too many old diffs (lol) so it ended up looking more like a dispute contained to a single article instead of long-term behaviour across the topic area. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  16:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I get it. I just like to own up to it when I get the wrong end of the stick. Simonm223 (talk) 16:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

November 2024

I am here to caution you against leaving pointless messages on others' talk pages that misrepresent both that person's actions and motives.

I did not "go to an article just to chew out an editor regarding his comportment". I visited the page, noticed the comment, and offered my view of the person's suggested edits to guide other editors in the future. I noted this person's obvious bias and suggested that other editors ignore his suggestions for that reason. All of this was and is directly relevant to the content of the page in question.

If you are unable to offer an honest accounting of what happens in a Talk Page discussion, and instead simply offer your misinterpretations as fact, then just move along. Pernoctus (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

میشه بگی مشکلت با من چیه

میشه مشکل را حل کرد و خیلی قشنگ تر از از این موضوع نتیجه گرفت و مشکلات را با بحث کردن حل کرد لطفا این را بیا حل کنیم 5.123.168.138 (talk) 16:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but honestly I don't have the first clue who you are and so cannot say if we have any problem at all. You've only ever used this IP for one edit. Simonm223 (talk) 17:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy) § Propose to create page of block discussion in noticeboards

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy) § Propose to create page of block discussion in noticeboards. JPPEDRA2 21:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions

	Crown of excellence
	You recent contributions in the Septimius Severus article are very notable to the Roman emperor of Libyan Origins, Please accept this token of gratitude for taking the time to handle the matter. Lobus (talk) 18:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Your arbcom candidacy

Hi, Simon. Just to say I'm sorry you didn't get into arbcom. I kind of knew you wouldn't, though - so many people simply automatically oppose a non-admin, no matter their qualifications. For my part I supported you, both because I've always thought a non-admin would bring a usefully different experience to the committee, and because I've seen you around the noticeboards doing a lot of good stuff.

Maybe you dodged a bullet, though; being on the committee really, really doesn't look like any fun from where I stand. Suddenly all your ordinary-user public appearances have to become cagey and cautious, lest you have to recuse from everything that interests you, and your chatty interchanges with friends have to be muted (if it hasn't become too dangerous to even *have* friends here). No fun. Anyway, I hope you're not too disappointed. Regards, Bishonen | tålk 01:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

What Bish said. Thank you for having looked more deeply into my question than any other candidate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate the kind words folks. Honestly I mostly signed up because it looked like there wouldn't be enough people and I figured it was a way I could give back to Misplaced Pages. As that turned out not to be the case, no harm no foul. Simonm223 (talk) 13:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

The edit you couldn't find at Arbitration

I saw "the content I removed here" & that you "could not find the edit where it was originally included".

Not sure if it really matters, but I found it. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 19:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

LOL Thank you. Simonm223 (talk) 19:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

A cheerful comment

Hi Simon. I was going to say this over on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bailey v Stonewall, Garden Court Chambers and Others but I changed my mind because it would be badly off-topic and I didn't want give anybody an excuse to start shouting at me or to detail the AfD process:

I sometimes worry about what it would have been like if Misplaced Pages had been around in the early 1930s. How would our current policies have coped with the Nazis? We would probably have had a load of German newspapers classed as RS based on their long pre-Nazi reputations and any attempt to revoke that status would be derailed by editors quietly, maybe even unconsciously, sympathetic to Nazi viewpoints. Google Scholar would be full of articles from German universities that purported to validate Nazi race theories as genuine science. What would our articles on Judaism, The Jewish Question or Jewish Bolshevism look like if our policies regarded those as legitimate scholarship? It's a scary thing to think about because Misplaced Pages is predicated on the idea that there is a solid bedrock of Reliable Sources but... what of there isn't, or even if there is, what if it is not a solid as we think?

Yeah, so, sorry for clogging up your Talk page with that. I wanted to say it somewhere and I wanted to reassure you that you are not the only person who sees this stuff for what it is. It's just hard to know how best to deal with it. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I'm just getting frustrated that we seem so vulnerable to this specific bigotry. I don't like bigots. Simonm223 (talk) 22:18, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm very happy to see that you understand there's a chance that sources considered reliable might not be as reliable as people think. Have you considered that an instance of this could have led to an injustice which you later helped to perpetuate, even if you weren't involved in the original case? 181.174.112.86 (talk) 22:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Come back when you're logged in if you want to cast aspersions at me. Simonm223 (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

The comment was not directed at you, but rather the user who started this thread. 201.246.186.241 (talk) 00:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Then please take your VPN-enabled sniping campaign somewhere that isn't my user page. Simonm223 (talk) 15:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Thwack

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

As requested. But look, could be worse - could've been thinking of Patrick Warburton! ser! 14:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

LOL Simonm223 (talk) 14:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Amdo

Maybe you can help break the gridlock at Talk:Amdo since you showed up at ANI. I have made these changes trying to combine both sides. Vacosea (talk) 22:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages Library

I noticed in your comment here that you didn't have access to the relevant sources. As a longstanding Misplaced Pages editor in good standing you probably qualify to use the Misplaced Pages library: https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/ - which makes it relatively easy to look up sources like that. --Aquillion (talk) 17:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow that would be handy. Getting abstract only papers is the bane of my life. Thanks. Simonm223 (talk) 18:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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