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===== <big>Report date September 13 2009, 04:52 (UTC)</big>=====

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;Suspected sockpuppets
* {{checkuser|1=Sulmues}}

======<span style="font-size:150%"> Evidence submitted by ] </span>======
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Though Sulmues expressed a desire to quit wikipedia and prior to his block on December 4th was not particularly active, beginning 1-2 December, he underwent a transformation to an extremely active user that showed interests in articles that he was never previously interested but that Sarandioti very much was. My guess is that the real Sulmues was contacted off-wiki by Sarandioti, who convinced him to give him his password so that he could avoid detetection, since all his previous socks were detected and blocked:

]

Sarandioti's last confirmed sock account was ]. While account Sulmues took a wiki break on Dec. 5-28 ]), during this period (Dec. 5-15) Muzakaj was very active.

Additional comfirmed sock account of Sarandioti are listed here: ], while his most active sock accounts were ]] ].

*Both userpages Sarantioti/Sulmues like Nietsche's anarchists quotes :

SA: ]
SU: ]

as well as this sock account:
AL: ]

Share same interests in the articles: ],]:

SU:]
SA:]]

*An obsession with Jakup Veseli and inserting him in the notable people section at ].

SU:]]]
SA:]]

*Sulmues was advocating why a number of Albanian accounts, his sockmaster account included, were banned in the past:

]
]
]

*He was also obssesed with the -notable peoples- section in ] and also questioned the ethnicity of the Greek mentioned in the same section:

SU:]
SA:]

*Same situation in ], also he considered specific Greek personalities as not enough notable:

SU:]
MUZ:] ]

*Ironic, offending comments against the same users:
SU:]
SA:]]

*Both accounts considered article ] of Top importance in the importance scale making the same scale adjustment:
SU:]
SA: ]

Extremely hostile against what he called the 'Greek team':
SA: ]
SU: ]

*Instists on fighting and accusing ]:

SU:]
SA: ]]

*Accusations against ], making weird conclusions that he is cooperating with Greek users:
SA:]
SU:]]

*Use of capitals to emphasize specific words:
SU:], ]
KRE:
SA: .

*Greek is often mentioned with -g- while Albanian always with -A-:

SU:] ]]

SA:
AL: .

;A new guise
This times, Sarandioti followed a more clever ] strategy, carefully hiding specific points of his personality after studying the two past spi investigations against him ].

*For example he coninued to edit in athletics (like Sulmues' pre-December contribution), however day by day this interest faded and now he isn't interested in athletics any more (at least in his last 1,000 edits).
*On early December he insisted on posting his contribution link on top of his userpage, like saying 'look at me I'm not a sock']].
*A took the place of & in his userpage.] (]) 23:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

======<span style="font-size:150%"> Comments by accused parties </span>======
This is an outrageous accusation, which I of course reject, as I have done with other bad-faith accusations received from the Greek editors: the first one being this (]). It's unbeleivable what kind of accusations these people (] and ]) are able to file. The fact that I share the same interests with these users (Albanian related) doesn't link me to either Sarandioti or Guildenrich. ] (]) --Sulmues 00:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

:Comment related to the ]'s comment below: the only reason why I started to edit a lot from December is that I saw that you had made sure to report every Albanian editor that was working on Misplaced Pages and was finding the Greek sources very weak. Their edits on Albanian related topics were much better than the Greek ones. However in December there was nobody left. I had to fill in their shoes. I am the only Albanian editor left now (the last of the Mohikans in the English Misplaced Pages) and I'm sure you won't stop: I'll get reports from you in the future very often. So far I have been reported unjustly at least 8 times from the tandem Alexikoua-Athenean. I'm getting used to it. ] (]) --Sulmues 01:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

======<span style="font-size:150%"> Comments by other users </span>======

Excellent report. There is definitely something strange going on here. First, I note that Sulmues' edits prior to Dec 1 2009 were almost exclusively related to soccer (his first 500 edits or so). In his early days, he also never once showed the slightest interest to anything related to ] or Greece-Albania articles. Nor did he show the slightest interest in fixing up his userpage. Starting Dec 1, something happens: Sulmues goes into overdrive, starts fixing up his userpage and becomes very interested in articles that Sarandioti & socks were interested in, e.g. ], ] (a particular favorite of Sarandioti and his sock Keshnik25), while his interest in soccer articles is present but slowly fading. If we look at his 500 most recent edits , his interest in soccer has evaporated, and he has instead become obsessed with things Sarandioti was, namely adding ] to the list of notable people in ] , which was one of Sarandioti's very first edits and one of his favorite obsessions . This is a fairly obscure individual and a fairly obscure small town in northwestern Greece that very few people would know about, so this is even more strange. Also very telling is his changing of importance to Cham Albanians to WP:SQ, another Sarandioti (and Kreshnik) favorite. The shared obsession with the "Notable Individuals" section of ] and ] is also very odd. As if that weren't enough, the references to Nietzsche on the userpages of both ] and ] (a sock of Sarandioti) quacks VERY loudly.

Sulmues has also been extremely active since his return from his December 28 block, performing over 3000 edits in less than two months, while prior to December he had performed only 500 edits in a year and a half. Strange behavior indeed for someone who explicitly and repeatedly stated that he "wanted out" of Misplaced Pages: .

Here's what I think may have happened: Following the above outburst, the real Sulmues quit wikipedia. Sometime before December 28, he was contacted off-wiki by Sarandioti and persuaded to hand over his password. Since the real Sulmues had decided to quit wikipedia, he presumably didn't care. Then on December 28, Sarandioti in the guise of Sulmues bursts on the scene. At first he is careful to edit soccer articles and avoid the articles that Sarandioti was interested in, but gradually and carefully, he reverted to form, with the result that the current Sulmues edits articles that Sarandioti was interested in and has largely forgotten Sulmues' old interests. The transition was done smoothly and gradually over a period of two months so as to not raise suspicion. Sarandioti has tried various sockpuppetry methods in the past, but always got caught. Presumably, he has learned from his mistakes and past SPIs and has become really good at covering his tracks. ] (]) 00:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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{{RFCU| E| No2ndletter | endorse }} &nbsp;&nbsp; <small>Requested by ] (]) 23:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC) </small>
I am fairly certain that this case passes ], a checkuser would be useful in proving this beyond any doubt.] (]) 23:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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{{endorse}}. <font face="Arial"> ]&nbsp;(])</font> 23:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

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