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== Re:adminship == ==Israel Military==


You reverted a change that I made to Refusal to Serve in the Israeli Military article. However, I did not make any changes to the Refusal to Serve in the Israeli Military article! So I think you perhaps left a message at the wrong address, thank you :) long live Palestine! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:18, 10 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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==Just an FYI==
==You removed my vandel report==
You left a complaint on the user page in regards to a recent edit of ]. I just wanted to let you know that this IP belongs to an entire county wide library consortium. Thousands of people frequent our libraries pub pc's daily. So just in case you see this IP in the future, just remember it's not one person LOL. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
You wrote, "removed one old report, list NOT clear."<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&action=history</ref> Can you expand on this please. I believe I was very clear. Thanks. --] (]) 17:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:Commented on your talk page. I suggest you read the header on ]. ] 17:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


==Complaint==
:You clearly have not investigated thoroughly. My concern is in regards to him deleting information and later updating unflattering image; two topics that have been discussed since the 11 of December, most recently since the 9th of January. He has not replied to my comments/questions on the deletion of information in the talk page. You should really go to the page and read the events dating back to the 9th of this month. He made continual removals of valid information without justification or acknolwedgment. Posting decision on vandelism is a serious job and you should not take it lightly. --Neon Sky (talk) 17:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Hi i see you've edited out my additions regarding the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes and the IOOF. Just because your not privy to certain archives don't mean you have the right to go about and doctor history towards you way of thinking. Its a well known fact that Tom Skinner, was an Oddfellow in Auckland and it should be mentioned because the IOOF were a MAJOR organization in their day and deserve a bit of publicity same too with the RAOB. As for Sir Basil Arthur, Ive actually seen the article which appeared in a local Timaru paper during the 1960's that mentioned Sir Basil as being a staunch member of the Royal Antediluvian Order Buffaloes, and old members have confirmed this. Even when he was in Parliament he still attended lodge meetings when he was able. As for Bill Rowling, old members of the RAOB in New Zealand well recall Bill in Lodge meetings. He was initiated into Nikau Lodge in the 1950s in Northland and attended meetings in various lodges including in Motueka Lodge. I actually have spent many hours talking to old members of the Buffs and then doing research through the Buffaloe Archives. Most if not all my information is privately sourced and is not public domain stuff. I like to share these little insights with you because all too often history becomes one sided. These historical figures had a life away from politics. One gains a new appreciation for some of these people when one discovers they were more then just a politician or union figure but actually put back into their community through such ancient and honorable fellowships as the RAOB and IOOF respectively. (] (]) 03:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC))
::There are no threats. If you see any legitimate threats, please let me know by copying and pasting them on my talkpage. Otherwise, please do not make slanderous comments against me when I have made sincere efforts to follow the WP civility rules and acted in good faith. I reiterate, I took the time to read WP rules on civility, good faith, deletion of contect, vandelism, etc. and believe I am acting fairly.


== Thanks==
Pristino uses tactics of dodging dialgue and soon playing the victim. If you read all of my posts and consider the timeline, you will see that when all is in context, I have been absolutely diplomatic, even in the face of being continually deleted by him. --] (]) 17:51, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks, Trusilver, for all you do on Misplaced Pages, especially keeping my personal pages free of vandalism. Regards, ] (]) 23:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


Thank you very much. It's certainly appreciated. :) ] 00:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
::Ok, I will do that next time he dodges diaolgue. I also wanted to add this link to the one you posted on my page so that it will be in abslute context. ] Thanks for taking the time and for the advise. --] (]) 17:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


== Something different ==
==Block of user 63.116.149.147==


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Thanks for sorting that. Incidentally, your user page makes for interesting, and painfully true reading. You should nominate it for 'featured page status': people won't be buying a pig in a poke then when they consider getting involved with wikipedia, so to speak. Cheers ] (]) 17:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:hah! Thanks :) ] 18:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC) Hah! That just made my whole day :) I was taking a drink when I clicked on my talk page and damned near spit it out when I saw this. Thank you very much! ] 00:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


==Your comments on Wiki Politics== == how can i ?? ==
I am new to Wiki; as I'm sure you noticed. I just read your user page and found myself completely relating to your daughter. My third day using Wiki, I stepped into a big pile of Wiki politics and almost didn't come back. I asked an admin for "mentoring" only to receive an adament denial that any politics take place here. I chuckled and looked the other way. At that point, I decided to keep to myself and as in life, choose my battles carefully. Life is complicated enough, but moreso, I didn't want to divert from what attracted me Wiki: the just plain enjoyment I get from researching, writing and editing. I contemplated the life of the admin, and it takes a special personality to do just that, administer (mental image of a desk and an ankle cuffs). Admins are important. Yes, some, just as in the real world, abuse power. Just like some "authors" are idiots. I have decided to stick around for the love of the creativity. That said, I'm glad there '''are''' personalities out there willing to do the admin work.


how can i make constructive pages and r u the administrater of wikipedia ???????? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Moreso than sharing this with you, I was itching to get it out there somehow. To say, "Yes, there are politics in Wiki. Hell yes." Sorry to your page for being the stage, thank you to your page for being the stage... if that makes sense. Now, closure. Moving on. --] (]) 20:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:The first thing is to understand that edits like this are totally unacceptable. ] 03:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


== No source whatsoever. ==
:/laughs/ Yes. Anyone who suggests that Misplaced Pages is not governed by its own internal politicking is either naive or a liar. The best administrators are the ones that curse the day they got the extra buttons, the worst are the ones that see their power as a medal of honor. I don't always succeed, but I try hard to be the former. I do try to tell every new person with a problem to stick it out, the problem children of wikipedia are a veryvocal minority, but they ARE a minority. There are far more excellent editors here than there are drama-makers and wannabe politicians. ] 20:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


That "article" had no source at all. How did it get published to start with? ANY article is better than NO article? Really?] (]) 20:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
== Avatar Critical reception rewrite ==
:The correct method of dealing with sourcing problems is to tag it for references, bring up your issue in the talk page, CSD tag it IF there is a copyright issue, or (and here's a really crazy idea) find some sources for it yourself. Blanking an article arbitrarily is NOT an acceptable solution. Have a good day. ] 21:00, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Trusilver, thanks for your contribution on Avatar. Following some editors' suggestions, I have proposed a restructured Critical reception section for discussion ], hoping to try and accommodate a deeper and more balanced coverage of the film internationally. Please have a look. I hope we can resolve this impasse and work out something everybody or most will be happy with. Regards, ] (]) 11:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
::YES!]] 21:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
:::"or (and here's a really crazy idea) find some sources for it yourself"? Why? I didn't put that pseudo-article up to start with. Did the original publisher follow ""The correct method"? "ANY article is better than NO article?"] (]) 21:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes... find some sources. We work as a collective here, the best solution to finding something that is wrong with the encyclopedia is to ''fix it.'' I have no intention of arguing with you about it. If you have a problem with the article, then address it with one of the methods I just provided you. This is how we do things here. You can always take up your issue at the ]. However, continuing to blank the entire article is going to be futile, as that ANY wikipedian monitoring recent changes will revert a blanked article. Have a good day. ] 21:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
@A Source Monster-- YES. Really. It's what we do. Not every article is well sourced and well structured to start with. We don't know such articles need to be deleted till after we try to improve them. We are a collaborative effort. And we never blank someone else's work unless it is required under G10 or BLP or copyright.]] 21:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::Tru, thank you for being polite.
:::::I do not have the ability to pursue this. I was interested in the subject, and had no problem with the article itself. But the sloppy method irritated me. Not only was it published without sources, but edited without them, too. Not encyclopedic, was it? So I rocked the boat. Now several real "Wikipedians" are aware of this stuff. I would hope that this article will be improved, or deleted, in the future. So, again, thank you for being polite.
:::::BTW, I am going to post this answer to another polite Wikipedian. Hope that doesn't offend you.] (]) 23:10, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::Not a problem at all. I was just about to go over to the article and put a tag on it for no sources, but ] already beat me to it. ] 23:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


== ] ==
==LustyRoars==
Hi. ] continues to make disruptive edits. Isn't it time for a block? All the best, -- ] (]) 19:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:I've reviewed this editor's contributions, and he does occasionally make substantive edits. Because of this, I'm not going to block them outright as a vandalism-only account. They have made no further edits after the last warning, so I'm just going to add the user to my watchlist and se what happens. Thanks for letting me know. ] 01:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


not seeing the page blank. Just revert to Spanish. A7 either way. ]] 21:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
== Reverts for the Ikonboard Page ==


:Where did the editor request the page to be deleted per your A7? ] (]) 21:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Trusilver! I noticed the reverts being made on the ] page on the recent changes page, and I looked up the Ikonboard website. Apparently, the publisher is listed as "Geek Layer Web Services Inc". It can be found at the bottom of the page.


::Ah, sorry about that. I actually had to look this up, as I didn't have the slightest clue what you were talking about. I could have sworn I A7'd this one rather than G7'd it. Thank you both for the quick catch. ] 21:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks!


:::No problem, it wasn't going to last long anyway. Happy editing, ] (]) 21:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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:Yeah, I've been reading up on it for the last five minutes. Thanks for letting me know :) ] 04:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC) ::::Oh, but never fear! It's back again. G4 this time? :) ] 21:27, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
G4 only for AfD. For all I know, it's notable, so they can try again to get it up. Hopefully in English, w/ 20 verifiable sources ]] 21:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


::::::Did we ever figure out what Perro Verde translated to English is? ] (]) 21:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
No problem! :) ]'''*'''] 04:28, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


:::::::Direct translation is "green dog" or possibly "fresh" or "young" dog. Depends on the dialect. ] 22:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
It looks like the user you banned for the various editing of the Ikonboard article is back using another IP. At a glance this IP has been used in the past for editing/blanking its talk page. ] (]) 08:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


:Yeah, I've noticed that. I have him on my watchlist for ] issues. I'm going to wait a while and see what happens. Thanks for letting me know. ] 22:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC) ::::::::Well, that's what I'd have guessed based on my limited Spanish knowledge...it's been a while. Thanks for your help on the article. ] (]) 22:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


::::::::: I don't think it's notable either. I've spent the last twenty minutes using my half-assed ability to read Spanish and I'm not really seeing any obvious sources for it. If the article DOES come back with refs, it would probably be helpful to have someone that speaks better Spanish than I do to check them out, because I'm not finding anything in English. ] 22:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
== Unblock request from ] ==


::::::::::Well, it also should probably be on the Spanish Misplaced Pages as well. Anyway, thanks. ] (]) 19:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Howdy Trusilver, hope you're well. :) This IP is requesting an unblock, and as you're the blocking admin, I'm giving you a heads-up. Thanks! ]''']''' 07:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


==Talkback==
:Hey GC :) I just came across your name earlier today and was meaning to stop by your talk page and say hello. Hope you are doing good :) ] 09:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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== GoRight thanks == == Barnstar of Reversion ==


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Thanks for becoming involved in GoRight's unblock. I have no comment on the conditions; however, the I believe the indefinite nature of this block has gone on too long. ] (]) 14:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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:Thank you kindly. It's much appreciated! ] 17:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
:Oh sorry, I didn't even notice this comment until looking back over the one beneath it. Thank you, I would (of course) like to see GoRight reach a point where he is more constructive in his edits. I feel the same was as you do, though. I have watched this whole thing unfolding and have become increasingly concerned at how long it has been stretching out, I came to the conclusion that a little nudge from an uninvolved party was the only thing that would make it move forward. ] 02:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


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== GoRight's unblock conditions ==
trusilver when are you adding back whatever i have added to wikipage jaipur kathak kendra and you have removed saying you did not find it constructive. i have written a explanation but have not been able to see a change. this is second time you i have tried adding value to wikipedia in years but both times nothing happened and i felt having wasted time <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:To answer your question, adding the telephone number and address of the subject of an article is neither encyclopedic nor appropriate under several policies. ]. ] 06:45, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


==Great Job!==
While I admire the courage it takes to wade into GoRight's talk page, I'm concerned that the unblock conditions you have proposed do not directly address the concerns raised by 2over0 (or by Viridae, who also indefinitely blocked GoRight in January). In the list of problematic diffs offered by 2over0 (]), none comes from article space. Most are on talk and &ndash; especially &ndash; Misplaced Pages-space pages. Particularly problematic are the cases where GoRight inserts himself into disputes involving other editors.
You keep beating me to reverting vandals...that's about 15 times so far, stop that :P --'''at'''] <small><sup>''] ∞ ]''</sup></small> 17:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:Hah, you have beaten me a few times today too. I think the speed comes from doing this crap for five years :) ] 18:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! ==
I'm going to openly acknowledge the elephant in the room &mdash; if GoRight's ability to involve himself in others' disputes remains, he will spend the bulk of his on-wiki time picking fights with WMC, Enric Naval, Tony Sidaway, and a few others with whom he has had historical and/or ongoing difficulties. He sees himself as a crusader (and now martyr) for the 'rights' of a downtrodden minority, with all the benefits and pitfalls such an attitude entails. His talk page comments recently have essentially acknowledged that point. (, self-drawn parallel to Rosa Parks(!) are a couple of samples.)


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Leaving him free to argue and insult on talk pages, and to involve himself into others' disputes (as long as he maintains a veneer of civility) pretty much takes us back to where we started. The fact that he wore down 2over0's incredible patience with endless argument and refusal to just get the point is telling &mdash; as is the fact that no other administrator wanted to get involved with the three separate {unblock} requests that he's had up on his talk page since 2over0 blocked him originally (links on request; he's had {unblock} templates up for a total of more than two weeks with no takers). ](]) 15:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you kindly :) ] 18:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:I have done a pretty extensive review of GoRight's edits and talk page over the last year, I have a pretty clear picture of the issue. As far as I'm concerned, this is a viable middle ground. As far as I'm concerned, this is a last chance. I won't hesistate to block him again if he doesn't live up to his end of the bargain, but at the same time, neither do I find unnecessary baiting or using his editing restrictions as a weapon against him to be acceptable. We will see how things go. ] 18:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:Also... keep in mind that you use STiki. I don't use that application for a reason... I feel that Huggle, while being a little more complicated, is more useful for identifying vandalism. The queue parameters for STiki are too narrow, in my opinion. ] 18:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


== A cookie for you! ==
:: There is no harm in a <u>'''civil'''</u> attempts to "crusade". However, GoRight should be cautioned to stay focused on <u>productive content outcomes</u> in both a "crusade" and articles themselves. ] (]) 18:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


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:Thank you! ] 00:28, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I also think the unblock conditions miss the point; if anything allowing him to edit the articles and be banned from the talk pages would make more sense, bau that is not possible. ] (]) 19:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


== Thanks==
:I disagree. And besides, as I pointed out elsewhere, there will not likely be any more chances if he fails to adhere to these restrictions. I worded it the way I did because my first concern is '''always''' for the encyclopedia itself, the associated talk pages are always secondary to that. The bad part about topic bans is that they rarely change anything unless they are indefinite, they certainly don't change the attitude of the person being topic banned. They only way there will be a permanent solution to this issue is if GoRight changes the way he does business with other people, or if he's banned. Let's try the first one more time before moving on to the second. ] 21:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again, Trusilver, for your effort to keep Misplaced Pages free of vandalism. Regards, ] (]) 22:44, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
::I would be remiss were I not to note that the 'public' face of Misplaced Pages depends on the successful, collegial functioning of all those pages behind the scenes. Without functioning talk pages, and without editors who can work together (at least in some way, on some level), we can't build that high-quality encyclopedia that we want to deliver. No single editor is indispensable to any one article or to any one topic &mdash; but one editor ''can'' make a topic area utterly miserable, and can erode the participation, contributions, and benefits of others through attrition. GoRight has been blocked multiple times for a pattern of disruptive behaviour; as administrators we are expected to strike a balance between the chance of 'rehabilitating' individual editors and letting the rest of Misplaced Pages function effectively.
::All that said, a suitable limitation on GoRight's participation in dispute resolution &ndash; limiting him to ''his own'' disputes only, instead of those of others &ndash; shouldn't harm our articles. Even if you don't think that a topic ban is appropriate, I believe it would be in the best interests of the project (and of GoRight, though I suspect he might disagree with me) to encourage him to focus only on his own fights right now, and not those of other editors. ](]) 03:01, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


:Thank you, always glad to be of help. ] 00:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Yet more quibbling for you. I'd like ''For three months, this user will make no edits to any article that is covered under the climate change article probation.'' clarified. My assumption is that "covered" means "Pages related to Climate change (broadly construed)" per ]; it doesn't mean just pages tagged with the <nowiki>{{Community article probation|main page=Climate change|] for full information and to review the decision}}</nowiki> header. Is that correct? ] (]) 19:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


== Removal of link ==
:Oh, yeah. Sorry if that wasn't clear, I meant any article that falls under the Climate change probation. I will change that on GoRight's talk page. ] 20:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


Please restore the link to http://financialstatementschool.com/ to the Financial Statement Analysis topic. I believe you made a mistake by removing it. Please look at "Further Reading" #4. It's a homemade website with a very incomplete list of some financial ratios. Why is this link here? I thought the one I added was much more useful to readers.
:: Thanks ] (]) 20:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


According to the guidelines, a link may be inserted when it contains helpful/additional info. over and above what the wikipedia page can cover. I think the link I had added fits this well. The site has a huge list of ratio calculations with the actual calculation, description, analysis, and even analysis of a sample financial statement. Please look at this:
Thank you for taking an interest in this. I am sorry for all the verbiage you had to way through to review the situation since the block. I think that GoRight genuinely understands the goal of the project, and genuinely wants to help in achieving creation of a free and respected encyclopedia. I do not think that I have successfully communicated why their contributions have not been furthering that goal. I think that your proposed conditions miss some of their disruptive behaviour, but I am grateful for your pledge to follow their edits. If I may, I would like a day to consider. - ] <small>(])</small> 23:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


http://financialstatementschool.com/categories/263/ratios.aspx
:Not a problem. And I agree that there is some of the behavior that isn't being addressed, but I also feel that if we want to rehabilitate (I hate that word, but I can't think of another right now) this user, we need to meet at neutral ground and give them the ability to modify their own behavior, rather than restrict every aspect of it. Do I think it's going to work? Maybe. Maybe not. But either way, I think that it's important to give them one last chance before a final community ban. But don't feel pressured either way, the good part about being uninvolved is that I have no problem with saying "screw it" if you think this is a bad idea. ] 00:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:: Trusilver, rather than "rehabilitate" I suggest reading ]. In my opinion Misplaced Pages is ideal for this because no one owns anything and it can be changed. Kindly, ] (]) 02:47, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


Here is one of the entries:
:2/0, forgive me if I find this all a bit humorous, but nothing GR did was worse than what WMC and others have been doing for years, yet here we are, 3 weeks later, and you are still sitting on this block. Now another admin comes along and offers to assume responsibility, and you're asking for more time for "consideration"? While you are <s>stalling</s> "considering", perhaps you can also consider why you're approach to GR is so much more drastic than your approach to other aggressive editors. Why is "civil POV pushing" sanctionable while "uncivil, conescending POV pushing" is excused? I've politely posed these questions on your talk that you've yet to answer.


http://financialstatementschool.com/2008/07/16/activity-ratios-and-accounts-receivable-turnover.aspx
:In any case, it's been 3 weeks now -- it's time to quit the stalling on GR's situation and let someone else handle it. ] (]) 03:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


==Thanks== Thanks!


] (]) 23:36, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted to say thanks Trusilver! I've been trying to work out how to give 168.8.212.133 a warning about vandalism, but youi've already blocked them from editing! Thank you! Regards ] (]) 20:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


:I have looked over the article and your site, as well as removed two other links from the article (the one you talked about and another that was far more commercially slanted than yours.) As far as your site goes, it has a lot of useful information on it, and I don't feel that the link to your commercial site is EXTREMELY blatant. Obviously you would like to use Misplaced Pages as a means to funnel traffic to your site, and you don't go to extremes to hide your ] Also... keeping in mind ], I feel that the wealth of information on the site that is not available on the article warrant inclusion. Overall... the content is very informational and the link over to your commercial site is low-key. Unless anyone else has an objection to it, please feel free to re-insert the link. I'm going to remove the warning on your userpage. ] 01:41, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
:Heh, no problem :) ] 21:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


== Ahh... ==
== The conditions of the topic ban. ==


We'll make a ] out of you yet! Seriously, I know it's just a click, but thanks for the . See ya 'round ]] 23:57, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't mean to quibble and I won't press the issue, but I believe that you have altered from what I had actually agreed to. Please review the language that I actually agreed to and if you feel a mistake has been made take whatever corrective action you feel is appropriate.


:No problem. I figure after I revert vandalism on your user page for the 100th time, there is some kind of prize coming to me. ] 00:37, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
The language in question as I agreed to it was:


== A kitten for you! ==
: "For three months, this user will make no edits to any article that is related to the climate change article probation. The user may participate on the talk pages during this time provided they adhere to the civility probation above and are conscious to avoid disruption. ''Failure to comply with this will result in a warning then a full topic ban for the remainder of the three months as issued by an uninvolved admin.''"


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If you feel the language you have recorded is more appropriate and feel it is important that the restriction be so modified I will still accept it but obviously I would prefer the original language.


Thanks for the great edits, not to mention your military service!
--] (]) 03:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


: Oh, and of course modifying the language to accommodate WMC's concern over the scope is fine. --] (]) 04:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC) ] (]) 01:23, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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::I just got home and I'm exhausted. I will get back to you on this tomorrow. ] 09:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC) :Thank you, especially for the second part. It's always much appreciated. ] 01:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


== Adopt a user ==
::: NP, take your time. I just want to get things settled during this i dotting and t crossing period. --] (]) 14:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


Adopt me please, I am dannyboy1209 working under an ip ] (]) 21:33, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
::::I've given it some thought, and I don't feel that there is a significant change in the language, only an amplification of what has already been covered. I added "broadly construed" more for you, so there is no misunderstanding about the idea that '''all''' climate change related articles are in the danger zone. ] 03:58, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


:Your account has ] As such, you are not permitted to edit in any capacity. If you would like a second chance, I suggest you go through proper channels as noted on your account's talk page. Until then, I'm afraid that I cannot help you. ] 23:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
::::: OK, so we are agreed per the language which has been recorded at ] and subsequently posted on my talk page. Thank you for your assistance in this matter and I'll do my best not to squander this last chance or to betray the good faith that has been placed in me by all those involved and Viridae before them. --] (]) 15:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


==]==
== Goright`s bail conditions ==


I have no idea how to work this thing, but your article on John Salvi is atrocious. Do a little research and get it right. What you have there could be farther than the truth. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:20, 15 September 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Hi, is goright allowed to work on or comment on a wip which will likely fall under the CC probation once it goes into mainspace? I was hoping to get his input but am worried that his unblock conditions prevent him from working on a work in progress?
Thanks --] (]) 09:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


:A work in your own sandbox is just that. Seeing that it's not an article yet, there's no reason to expect any contention. Once it is moved to mainspace, that's a different story. I don't see any problem with it right now, though. ] 09:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC) :Sounds fantastic! How about you try your hand at fixing it.... only this time please read ], ] and ] first. If you need help, I would be happy to assist you. ] 01:24, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


==reverting==
::That`s great thank you --] (]) 10:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
owl city is a band. and he overenunciates. labeling owl city as musical project is advertising.
see http://strictlyalright.tumblr.com/post/31411352317/not-linking-to-that-carly-rae-owl-city-duet <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Somebody's blog is not a ]. Whether he "overenunciates" or not is irrelevant unless you have a reliable source that suggests it. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a place to editorialize your opinion. ] 12:59, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


::even if you are right about enunciating (which i don't think you are), the phrase "musical project" is awful, ask the next 10 editors you interact with (respectable) ones, if 8 or more agree with band, please change it to band. If 7 or less agree with using band vs musical project leave it be. I am betting 80%+ will agree with me. musical project = advertising/marketing
== Participation at my RfA ==


:::Again, we are entering the realm of your opinion. If you want to publish your opinion, go start a blog. ] As for the musical project part? I couldn't care less if I tried really hard. You see... I have neither heard of, nor am really interested in hearing this band or musical project, or whatever they choose to call themselves. Feel free to change that part if you like, that wasn't why you were being reverted. You were being reverted for the overenunciation part which is non-notable speculation without a reliable source to back it up. ] 12:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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== My edits to Sharman Joshi ==
== Viking Age ==


Thank you for warning me. I did not know that converting an biography into autobiography is vandalism. I am very sorry. Thank you for the information. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:00, 17 September 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
'''Looks like''' your cleanup effort on the ] went awry. I reverted to the version I think you were aiming for. ] (]) 07:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:Great, thank you for catching that. :) ] 17:36, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


:Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not an exercise in creative writing. We write things from a neutral perspective, we do not write biographical articles as though the subject were writing it himself. ] 14:03, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
== About that ANI thing ==


== A kitten for you! ==
That was well done. I don't expect to be interacting with him at all for quite a while, and I'm even going to avoid looking at his edits for now. -- ] (]) 01:55, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


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:IMO, Atama's closing of the complaint as not requiring admin intervention to supersedes yours. A user engaged in a dispute at a policy page cannot be allowed to trawl through an opponent's edit history and cherry-pick the perceived juiciest bits. If you feel differently, then by all means re-open and seek wider community input, please. Thanks. ] (]) 03:12, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
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] (]) 14:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
::Tarc, I really couldn't care less. But you may still consider yourself warned for civility. I don't give a damn about your dispute, I don't give a damn about problems anyone has with you, I don't give a damn about the articles you edit, I don't give a damn about a ''little'' incivility. (we all have bad days) I DO give a damn about blatant incivility and disruptiveness. 98% of the people on the project are fully capable of editing without being snarky, rude, nasty, etc. You go out of your way to push the envelope in that respect and I have no qualms whatsoever with blocking you if the situation requires.
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::Don't make the situation require it. (period/full stop) ] 03:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::(P.S. To anyone lurking on my talk page; that was not an invitation to come to me with every perceived bit of incivility that Tarc, or anyone else, is committing. If it inadvertently comes to my attention, fine, but otherwise... use appropriate channels.) ] 03:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Well now, that was a bit rude, and not what I'd expect from someone entrusted with the admin bit. There has been no "blatant incivility and disruptiveness" on my part; a carefully-crafted laundry list presented by Mr. Barber does not a case make. Your page is now unwatched. Good day. ] (]) 04:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::: Now that you've had the last word, I'm sure you will sleep much better. ] 04:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


==Your User page== == Police ==
Do you want your User page protected? ] (]) 05:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


Please refrain from removing content from my talk page. ] (]) 13:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
If I did, I would protect it. I intentionally leave it unprotected to serve as something of a honeypot. I prefer vandals to hit my page rather than legitimate articles. Thank you for the offer, though. And thanks for the revert on my userpage. ] 05:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


:You're welcome ] 14:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
== Blocking 71.100.31.227 ==


::Nothing personal but I didnt expect to see an edit war on my page disappear without getting a chance to review it. And the user in question wasnt exactly bothering/hounding me...I would say that I have become a bit more petty just because in the past users have had tried to get me blocked over the silliest of comments. I told a user that they were being ''petty'' and suddenly my name turned up at ANI.] (]) 16:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the block of that IP "71.100.31.227," although it's not the first one he(or she, if possible) has had. Have you actually seen this user's edit history? ----] (]) 05:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


:::Certainly understandable. No offense taken. ] 18:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw that, which is why I blocked him for a week. We normally go on an escalating scale for blocks. My normal first block for a vandal is 31 hours, they get progressively longer from there. I would prefer more ], but they fail to achieve consensus. ] 05:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


==Thanks for your RfA Support== == Thanks==
Thanks again, Trusilver, for keeping my personal pages free of vandalism. Regards, ] (]) 17:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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:Not a problem :) ] 18:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
] - Thanks for your participation and support in my recent '''successful''' RfA. Your confidence and trust in me is much appreciated. As a new admin I will try hard to keep from wading in too deep over the tops of my waders, nor shall I let the Buffalo intimidate me.--] (]) 09:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


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== Blocking 84.112.168.187 ==
Hi Trusilver. I'm leaving you this message because you have previously been involved as an adopter with Misplaced Pages's ] program. A clean-up of this program is currently underway, and as part of the process I am trying to find out who is and isn't still interested in remaining an adopter.
Thank you for blocking user ]. His obsession for toilet humor, among other forms of vandalism, are a nuisance for mature editors. His makes me pessimistic, if his attitude will change after the 48 hour period. However, thanks.
--] (]) 13:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


If you would prefer not to be part of the adoption program anymore, you need do nothing; when the overhaul of the project is completed your name will be removed from the list of active adopters. However, if you have current adoptees, an active adoption school or an interest in adopting in the near future, then please let us know by signing ].
:You never can tell, but the good thing about blocks is that they only take a couple clicks to reapply. :) ] 07:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


If you want to remain in the project and can currently take on ''more'' adoptees, there is a serious backlog at ]; it would be enormously helpful if you could take on one or two of the users there. Please do keep an eye on the project for upcoming changes, we could use your opinions and your help! ]&nbsp;''']&zwj;]''' 09:23, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
== Your comment on the block of Brews ohare ==
:Hi {{BASEPAGENAME}}. Thanks for agreeing to stay on at Adopt-a-user. I've recently updated the list of adopters and I have included you, per your original comments on that page and your comments at ]. You can see ] at the list of adopters. Why not update your profile with an image and maybe have another look at your description? You can also include a list of any adoptees you currently have. If you are also willing to ] problematic users, possibly as part of a conditional unblock, please include "mentorship=yes" in your profile. Thanks again for all your help. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 13:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


== Thanks! ==
Hi, in relation to , I am not confident that the block will have the required preventative effect if it is lifted. It appears from the history of his talk page that {{userlinks|Brews ohare}} and his friends believe him to be the target of a nefarious ], and continue to dispute both the validity and the necessity of the topic and namespace ban. Under these circumstances, I believe that lifting the block early would have the effect of making continued infringement (with the associated reports, blocks, drama and general timewasting) more likely. For this reason, I ask you not to lift the block. More generally, I believe that, in order for arbitration enforcement to be effective, administrators must be in a position to actually exercise the discretion given them by ArbCom, which is why it is a personal policy of me not to needlessly second-guess the enforcement actions of my fellow admins (see, for more detail, ]). I'd appreciate it if my colleagues would extend the same courtesy to me. Regards, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 07:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


{{Wikithanks|Thanks for defending me from the person who was so upset over the stubbification. Too bad he left a message that seems to indicate that you fed a troll.}}--] <span style="border:1px solid #ffa500;background:#ffce7b;"><small>If you reply here, please leave me a {{]}} message on ].</small></span> @ 00:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
:If you don't think that the block will have a preventative effect if it is lifted, do you feel that it will have a preventative effect once it has expired? And if not, why did you only put it for a week, and why not seek a community ban? I ask because I generally group blocked users into two catergories: Those who are net positives and those who are net negatives, the former should be given every opportunity to reach a point where they can "play nice" with the rest of the community in a way that maximizes their content contributions and minimizes their disruptions. The latter should be shown the door at the first opportunity. Which one is Brews? I'm not really sure, but I think that there's enough of a reason to assume some good faith here. If I saw a clear intent to be disruptive I wouldn't have anything to say about it, but I don't see such an intent, at least not on this occasion. I also have to disagree on one point: I think it is our duty to second-guess the enforcement actions of other admins, because the second we stop reviewing each other's decision, then the ] really does exist. If you feel strongly that the length and circumstances of this block are justified, then I will not intervene, but in this occasion, I think the punishment is needlessly punitive. ] 08:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


:Some people are intent on never getting a clue ] ] 13:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
::I can't be ''sure'' that the block will have a preventative effect once it has expired, of course, but it will almost certainly have ''less'' of a preventative effect if it is lifted, because lifting it may send the message that enough wikilawyering eventually pays off, and it may also weaken the authority of the arbitration process, which is intended to result in ''binding'' solutions.
::I agree with the categorization you propose, and I also don't know which group of editors Brews ohare belongs to, being unfamiliar with his history, but I don't think it is relevant here: this is ''not'' a block for disruption. The edits of Brews ohare were not, in and of themselves, disruptive. But they were in violation of a ban, and therefore prohibited without regard to their merits, see ]. I applied a week-long block because that was the maximum block duration allowed under the relevant remedy. But in general, when faced with serial misconduct, I prefer to apply indefinite blocks, ''and then lift them as soon as the user credibly agrees not to misbehave again''. I'd grant an unblock request of this sort at once, but instead all we get is denial and wikilawyering. Such conduct ought not to be rewarded.
::I do too believe we ought to review each other's decisions, but we should observe proper ] to each other in doing so: I will undo another admin action only if it is indefensible and a clear violation of policy, but not in situations where reasonable people can disagree and I am simply holding a different opinion about how best to apply policy.
::For these reasons, I continue to oppose any lifting of the block until we get an unblock request that follows the advice in ]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 09:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


== Signature ==
:::Trusilver, I have taken note of your unblock of Brews ohare. This unblock is not supported by clear, active and sustained community consensus, as required for any overturn of an arbitration enforcement action by the arbitration motion cited below. I ask you to reinstate the block with its original expiration date within six hours of receipt of this message (which I am also informing you of per e-mail). Should you not do so, I will request the Arbitration Committee to take the appropriate action. Thank you for your consideration, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 17:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


I neglected to thank you for updating your signature, which is indeed more legible. Thanks! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span></small> 22:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
(outdent) I think that for the best preventative effect, Brews should have been warned, and then blocked severely if he continued namespace violations. What that does is say "hey, I'm going to assume good faith and think that you made an honest mistake, so I'll give you a chance to be personally responsible and fix it." I think that it's clear that Brews didn't know that he was acting in violation of the ban, and now he's just ''upset'' about being blocked as opposed to being ''empowered'' to fix his mistake and continue positive contributions elsewhere. ] (]) 19:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Absolutely! You are most welcome. ] 23:18, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
:Very well said Awickert. I agree. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 23:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::And that was precisely why I felt this unblock was so necessary. And Sandstein, you do whatever will make your evening more enjoyable. ] 02:09, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


== Misuse of privilleges == == Thank you ==


Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. ]'']'' 03:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


== José Bosingwa ==
In failing to comply with this motion, you've misused your administrative privilleges. Several reminders were made to this effect, but your failure to be receptive to these reminders suggests you are no longer fit to retain your position as an administrator. ] (]) 17:13, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


I have no idea what you're on about, I haven't made edits to this article or any article. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Trusilver did the right thing. Perhaps we should think about limiting the authority of Arbcom a bit. Arbcom is necessary, but the automaticity of blocks that cannot be appealed and the absense of a real appeals process for topic bans is not ok. Brews latest appeal failed. Why? Because you had only one or two Arbcom members who pragmatically looked at his case and proposed some good ideas. Another thing is that the appeals process is not an independent review at all, it is more like some request for probation where on the basis of good behavior and saying sorry, you can get the topic ban relaxed. Now, I'm not against a probation system like that, but then why call that the "appeals process"? ] (]) 18:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


:It was most likely someone else using the same IP address as you are, then. Unfortunately, we can not identify the difference between multiple users on the same address unless they are signed in with Wiki accounts. ] 23:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
::VCMvocalist, the sad fact of the matter is that ARBCOM in allowing mockeries like what happened to Brews to happen is a clear example of your own unfitness for the tools. When in the blue fuck will ARBCOM come off their high horse and be willing to assume good faith? They are there to stop the disruption, not implicitly allow and encourage petty harassment, in essense try and show brews the door. ] (]) 18:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


==MfD nomination of ]==
:::Thank you for returning Brews to the trenches, Trusilver. Though the overturn may be against the letter of the law, it was in the spirit of it: the initial block was IMO overly punitive in a gray area, and all discussion (which was nearly unanimously against the decision to block Brews) was squashed. Ncmvocalist, I sugguest that you start spending more time writing articles. Then maybe you'd understand why it's helpful to ] and ''not'' block a major content contributor for ''a whole week'' over a namespace violation. I'm unhappy with the way this was handled and with the flak that Trusilver is getting for his actions. If there is action taken against Truesilver, I will support him. And if this silliness continues and it comes down to a battle between those who administer and those who actually ''write an encyclopedia'' in which those who do the writing lose out, I will strongly protest or leave the project, and someone will have to find another person to do geology/geophysics featured article reviews. ] (]) 18:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
], a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for ]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at ] and please be sure to ] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). You are free to edit the content of ] during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.<!-- Template:MFDWarning --> ] (]) 12:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Arbcom was never designed to stifle intellectual discourse on the thinnest of premises. It was also not meant as a springboard on which persecutorial reports on Arbitration Enforcement to be used against editors in order to settle scores. Your eloquent, lucid and precise rationale for lifting the block has a clarity of vision that few Arbcom written decisions in recent memory possess. I think you should run for Arbcom because your lucid judgment is needed there as well as your great ideas. Please do not let the inevitable whining detract you. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 23:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


== Was this vandalism? ==
::::Moreover you combine lucidity of thought with the courage of your convictions which you realise into principled actions. Your rationales are also so well written and clearly enunciated that are easily understood. I only !vote here when I am inspired by the candidate. In the next Arbcom elections, if you are a candidate, I will vote for you. Thank you for inspiring me. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 23:25, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


Hi Trusilver-- I noticed you warned another user {{User|Itsatraplin}} for vandalizing ]. I looked at their contribution history, and while their edits probably were correctly reverted, edits like , , or did not appear (to me) as obvious vandalism. Is there something I am missing here, because these looked like legitimate attempts to improve the article (albeit, without appropriate sources). If you could, could you clarify why you thought this was vandalism? ]] <small>(note: not a ]!)</small> 02:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I would sooner gouge out my own eyes with an icepick than run for ARBCOM. I already have a full-time job, I don't need two of them. ARBCOM sits on a seesaw where they find themselves simultaneously making decisions on topics they should keep their noses out of, and being forced to create solutions to problems that rarely have good solutions. Those are both things that I just don't have the time and patience for. ] 02:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


:No, actually that was just a few odd unsourced changes to an article that I incorrectly labelled. ] 23:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::Thank you for your reply. I am really sorry to hear that you don't plan to run. There have been very few times when I was impressed with someone's ability to elucidate their thoughts so precisely and communicate with such eloquence the principles involved in their decision. But you communicated your reasons for your decision very clearly and I completely see your point, regretfully. I just hope, one day, you may reconsider. Take care. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 03:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


== Always a pleasure.. ==
Another thing is that ] allows any Admin to violate the rule quoted by Ncmvocalist. The text of ] was never updated to restrict its application after that Arbcom decision to place itself above everything; it still says: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Misplaced Pages, ignore it.", it does not make any exceptions for any rules that Arbcom has made. Note that Arbcom cannot decide that ] doesn't apply to them, because ] itself would also apply to that very Arbcom decision. The only way would be to modify ] itself, which requires community consensus and that has not happened. ] (]) 01:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


...to see you around.] ] 05:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
== Barnstar Worthy ==


:Thank you, always good to see you nominating good admin candidates :) ] 17:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
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" Hello, I'm Trusilver. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions, such as the one you made to Epistle to the Romans, because it didn’t appear constructive to me. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks, Trusilver 16:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)"
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Thanks for this - I have no idea what you are referring to. I guess that someone else's IP has been reallocated to me. Cheers though!] (]) 23:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
== Comment on the unblock and on the state of Misplaced Pages in general ==


:That's very likely what happened. Have a good day and happy editing :) ] 18:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
First of all, I would like to thank those that agree with what I did, the show of support knocks me out. I was in awe to find the wall of barnstars above when I got to an internet connection today. For those that disagree, I respect your point of view and opinion, even if I reject it. As I said before, I didn't make this decision lightly.


== Vampire clans ==
The chief problem does not lie with ARBCOM, and I definitely have my issues with ARBCOM to be sure, but this isn't one of them. The problem arises where administrators, by design or by negligence, use an ARBCOM sanction in a vague manner to deliver a block without having to answer to other policies that they find momentarily inconvenient. I have no comment on Brews prior behavior that led up to his topic ban, and I really, really couldn't care less. My one and only focus in this matter was on Sandstein's block, which was, by far, the most questionable block that I have seen in a good long time. Anyone from a dispassionate, neutral point of view can clearly see that the two edits that resulted in the block were made in good faith and without the slightest clue that they would result in a block. The very idea that the block was allowed to stand for as long as it did represents the single biggest problem that Misplaced Pages has today: The tyranny of a ruling aristocracy that justifies its actions by the letter of the law, while completely ignoring the spirit of the law. We joke about the big and scary ], but the truth is that the cabal really DOES exist- it exists because we allow it to exist. It exists because when we see an admin decision that was clearly wrong, we do nothing. I'm guilty of it too, for this one time that I did what I should of (and what many others should have) there have been countless others that I saw and did nothing about it because I didn't want to deal with the hassle.


A while ago (back in 2008, in fact), ] for ], because it was isolated from the rest.
Somewhere along the way, we have forgotten that Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. We should be striving at all times to foster an environment where people are welcomed, not an environment where people are bullied until they leave. I say again, I'm not commenting on any action Brews has taken other than those that resulted in this block, but under no circumstances should this block ever have been allowed to stand. It is a travesty when we allow ourselves to hide behind the labyrinthine set of rules and bureaucracies that govern the project at the expense of losing the ability to say "lets use common sense and do the right thing", this is the very essense of the fifth pillar. I actually feel embarrassed that this is only the second time I have invoked ] in the last three years, but I cannot think of a better reason to do it than to defend the core principles by which Misplaced Pages was built.


Now it ''has'' been a few years and I don't know if you were that interested with it to start with, but I've started a discussion for a group merge of all the clans ]. If you have any opinions, it'd be great to hear them. It'd be annoying to just see the discussion die without anyone noticing.
This is my first and last statement on the matter, I don't feel that anything else needs to be said. I'm sure that some will rant and complain about this, and others will come to my defense (and thank you to those of you that do), but I will not argue about this or defend my position further, all I need to say has been said, and I am not a fan of never-ending exercises in intellectual masturbation that this type of debate eventually deteriorates into. I prefer to simply agree to disagree. Good day to all of you. ] 02:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


Since you seem to still be active (what luck!), I'm going to assume you'll read this and thank you advance in for reading. Thanks! – ''']''' (]) 22:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
==It's not a matter of agreeing to disagree==
Trusilver, an administrator was desysopped for taking an action very much like yours. Ncmvocalist correctly quotes the decision. I have no opinion at all whether Brews Ohare's block deserves to be overtuned, but it is ''not'' within the remit of any administrator to take that action. Please reverse your decision procedurally and assist him with an appeal. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 03:03, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi Trusilver. I hope I am contacting you via an appropriate messaging tool. I am brand new to Misplaced Pages editing. I found you on the list of people willing to mentor. I need a mentor. I know nothing. I want to correct errors of fact on a particular Misplaced Pages page but I do not know how to go about that in the Misplaced Pages way. Frankly, I expect the edits will not be taken well by some. On the Misplaced Pages page I want to edit, the contributors do not seem to be using the Talk page. Hopefully, you will be interested in mentoring me. Since I do not know the first thing about the inner workings of Misplaced Pages, I will be more likely to get a reply from you if you email to me. My email is sailinstuff@yahoo.com. Thanks!!! ] (]) 03:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:Here I am, doing exactly what I said I wasn't going to do... commenting on this further, yet I want to clarify this point.


:I am more than willing to help you and answer any questions you have, but I am not actively mentoring at this time. I have a job which makes my editing time unpredictable. I do check in every day though, so feel free to pose any questions you might have to me and I will help out wherever I can. ] 03:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
:Durova. excuse my language, but I respect the absolute holy shit out of you, as an administrator and an all around level headed human being. If they feel the need to take my mop, then they can take my mop, but I won't reverse my decision, because it was '''the right thing to do.''' I can shrug and click the little "x" in the corner of my screen the moment I read they have desysopped me and walk away with a smile because when shown a case of injustice, I did the right thing rather than ignore it. A lot of people have lost their admin status for doing a lot of really stupid things over the years, but I would have nothing but a feeling of immense pride in being desysopped for upholding the spirit of the project, which is exactly what this is. They can open the Arbcom case on me tomorrow, my only statement will be what I have written above.


==You've got mail!==
:Thank you very much for your advice, I appreciate it. ] 03:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
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::It would be better all around to seek the right outcome without staking your bit upon it. Please correct if this is mistaken, but it doesn't appear that an appeal to ArbCom has been tried. The ANI thread closed on a procedural basis because that was the wrong venue. So if there is a good case to be made then ArbCom would probably overturn the block. No reasonable person would hold the unblock against you if you reversed it promptly and went the normal route. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 03:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
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== I'm not one to touch another man's user page... ==
:::I think Trusilver did the only human thing to do. Brews had a open request that went unanswered for 5 days. When asked the admin completely refused to discuss or even entertain the idea that the block might be frivolous or in error. How long would you wait to review a request. Whatever Brews faults when he went to arbcom he has done a shit ton to try and show these sanctions are no longer nec. What happens? Every possible minor thing he does is taken to arbcom. Brews is a expert, we ned more of them around. It would be like taking away your digital remastered photos, we would truly be at loss. ] (]) 03:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


...but would you mind indulging me? I'm having an attack on all the red-link categories relating to Wikiprojects. Right now your user page is the only one linking to ]. I can see that there's a bit of history there, I'm not expecting you to touch the user box but would you mind either disabling the category link, or editing it to ] ? I only have mild OCD, honest!!! <g> TIA ] (]) 22:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
:::: I cannot, in good conscience, reverse my decision. If I had it to do all over again, the only change I would make would be to have unblocked without spending a day second guessing myself. Thank you for your time Durova, I appreciate the advice, but I can't take it. ] 03:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
(ec, outdent) Brews Ohare's request was not unanswered; it was never submitted to the right venue. It was an arbitration-based block, not a community-based block. The community had no standing to review it. Four days ago ] the closure note stated the proper venue. If Brews Ohare was somehow unaware that his request had been raised on ANI and closed with a referral to ArbCom, then that's all understandable. But that doesn't excuse the misuse of the tools. SlimVirgin was desysopped for doing what Trusilver has done. Let's handle this the sensible way, reinstate the block, and open a proper request onsite with ArbCom. Brews Ohare could email his appeal or anyone with editing privileges could initiate it onsite on his behalf. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 04:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:Read your reply after the edit conflict. Do you understand that the venue referral was provided four days ago? <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 04:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
: Ok. Echoing Durova here. Frankly, I think that the community should be able to review certain classes of ArbCom based blocks and that that would be a a reasonable check on bad ArbCom decisions. But neither the current community nor the ArbCom is in favor of that. Even if some form of such a procedure were acceptable, nothing like that has followed here. To ignore the ArbCom (whether or not one agrees with it) is to invite anarchy. ] (]) 04:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


:Absolutely :) Done and done. Some of the best Wikipedians have OCD'ish tendencies. ] 23:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
::An ''Arbcom'' ban should only be entered by a ''Arbcom'' member, unless it is a clear violation. At what point did Arbcom become the and only after a clear consensus is reached that it is indeed a violation. This was far from a clear cut violation. Have you reviewed the history on this case for the last three months almost every edit Brews has made has resulted in a arbcom enforcement hearing Most of the time it is proven to be a frivolous matter and dismissed. I'm very saddened with this part of Misplaced Pages, we coddle the new comers and treat good faith expert contributers like crap. I'm not even saying Sandstein was trying to abuse his powers, I am saying he may have got this one wrong....If this was a clear cut issue there wouldn't be several people including admin concerned with thus block. At that point it became about following a mindless procedure that didn't really apply in this case. If Trusilver reverses his action and brews serves the last 12 hours what point does this serve? What disruption are we looking to prevent? Blocks are to prevent disruption, show me how this disrupted the pedia? ] (]) 04:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Cheers. <g> ] (]) 13:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Hell in a Bucket, it would be a good idea to read up on the link Ncmvocalist provided. It specifically dealt with a case where ArbCom discretionary sanctions had been applied by a non-arbitrator. Heck, I'd like to reform ArbCom at least as much as everybody else on this page. But there's a proper way to reform things and Trusilver's action--however well intentioned--didn't help that. We can set things right. Let's go about this the right way. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 04:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Sorry to be a little sarcastic, but I'm sure this will be cleared up in 12 hours by Arbcom. His week long block was to expire tomorrow. How would this be improved other then a mindless revert to support a flawed image? Realizing that wiki isn't a court of law consider how mqany times our own court systems have ered and jailed people wrongfully? How long did it continue until someone said, Gee this isn't right. Why are we putting people in jail because of their religion or lifestyle? How do you suggest reforming when you support the process that lead down the wrong path?] (]) 04:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Trusilver, I invite you to read this. '''In November 2008, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion which stated that administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except * with the written authorization of the Committee, or * following a clear, substantial, and active community consensus to do so.''' I ask that you look at this situation.. do you have either? ] (]) 04:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::By reading Brews page and this page he does have community support, maybe had more people who objected came there or responded to the Ani thread I opened would have sseen consensus. ] (]) 04:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


== I saw you changed some stuff on my page about the Neuron ==
:::::::::::: I agree. The community support has manifested itself in spades here and in Brews's talkpage. Or are we to be ignored? The block rationale and length were flawed from the start. Trusilver's action corrected a gaping error, was based on high principles and was elucidated clearly and convincingly. The block would be naturally over by now anyway. There is no disruption occuring as we speak. There is no point to revisit the issue other than additional bureaucratic manoeuvering. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 04:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


Yo dog! What you think this is!? You said it wasn't productive!? Do you know who i am!? I don't have to take this! If you ever change my page about the Neuron, we gonna have some problems! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
(undent) SirFozzie, there was an overwhelming consensus on Brews page that this was a bad block. I have to stick by my guns '''because''' this was a bad block. It would be like me blocking you right now for violating some random ARBCOM topic probation on an article you have never been to and then everyone telling you that you can't be unblocked because it was done under the guise of an ARBCOM (and it would just add to the hilarity if you actually particpiated it in) sanction. I unblocked because I roundly reject that this block ever fell under the umbrella of Brews topic ban, it never even came close. If I were to reverse my decision, it flies in the face of my belief that we MUST put common sense and working in the spirit of Misplaced Pages's principles ahead of bureaucratic nonsense and letting a gigabyte or so worth of policies do our thinking for us, something that I feel that Sandstein most definitely did. Administrators simply must not be able to use an Arbcom sanction as an end run around other wikipedia policies and the virtue of common sense. If I have to lose my bit to push the statement that we cannot and must not have a system where one administrator who takes ten minutes (and that's being pretty damn generous) reviewing a decision can arbitrarily bind everyone elses hands from reversing a bad and destructive decision, then I'm more than willing to do it. Looking at Sandstein's edit history, he arrived at his decision in only a handful of minutes, I arrived at mine after four days. This has already taken up too much of my time, I understand that you all are trying to keep me from running off the edge of a cliff, but I'm not blind, I really do see it. I'm sorry but I have other things to do tonight, I really have nothing else to add. Joshua, Durova, SirFozzie, thank you very much for your concern, it really does mean a lot to me. ] 04:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:Consensus doesn't form on an individual user's talk page. According to the consensus on my user talk page archives for the last two years, I should be an administrator again. Any bureaucrat who tried to act on that would get trouted right quick. ;) <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 04:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


:That's nice. Have a good day and don't forget to take your meds. ] 23:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
::Nice try Durova. Except in Brews's case there was an active unblock request and that was the only discussion forum open at the time. I did not see an active RfA running on your talkpage. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 04:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I believe we call that ] ] (]) 05:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::{{ec}}A ''community'' consensus does not form in the User or User talk namespaces. Period The End. It could have been formed at ] or ](]), but not at ]. '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 05:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Darn, Nuke. You posted just as the ''Big Black Book of Wiki Witchery'' was getting a new entry under "Evil Subplots": there goes ]. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 05:09, 1 March 2010 (UTC) <small>Goes back to the cauldron to taste the broth and add more newt eyes.</small>
:::::You get my unqualified support! ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 05:13, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::I hear that ] are still up for grabs though <tt>:)</tt> '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 05:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::You guys are charmers. Seriously, let's go ahead and file the appeal over somewhere at RFAR and get this done properly with smiles and handshakes. :) <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 05:18, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you Durova! Anytime you go for a second RfA count me in. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 05:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::With respect and handshakes, consider the last enforcement modification request. Right now Brews is the ant in the magnifying glass for many editors. And filing a appeal with 12 hours left on his block will do what? Nothing it will be like a posthomous pardon, nice, but ultimately worthless. ] (]) 05:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::I can see Durova's point and of course I would love to see this end with smiles, handshakes and no acrimony. It is a beautiful thought. I just can't visualise the dance steps for this yet. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 05:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::(ec) Get the thing off Brews's record officially, and clear the air for Trusilver (one might ask why he bothered unblocking with so little time left). <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 05:32, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Not to be melodramatic but that is like telling someone exonarated for rape who's served 20 years of a 25 year sentence, well you were wronged but you've allready done 20 years why not finish out the last five? We'll clear your record after that but serve the five, it's good for you really. ] (]) 05:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:Nobody said that the steps would be easy. That's the problem. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup><small><sub style="margin-left:-4.9ex;*margin-left:-5.5ex;">]</sub></small> 05:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


== Mail ==
Where would we begin to untangle the underlying evil in all of this? It begins of course with the original ARBCOM sanctions, but we will not debate that here. For the purposes of this debate we will focus on Headbomb's enforcement action. It was taken out in the midst of an edit war between Likebox and Headbomb. That edit war was clearly provoked by Headbomb, and it has since been proven that Headbomb's knowledge in the content area was lacking. Headbomb then set out to get Brews ohare, Likebox and myself blocked, and in doing so he abused administrative and ARBCOM tools. Sandstein quickly obliged on the basis of an extreme play on words. Sandstein then hides behind the ancient line "I was only doing my job". And that is where the evil lies. The evil lies in a system in which one administrative body can pass the buck to another administrative body, and where both branches of the administration can then hide behind each other.


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== Thanks, and have some pierogi! ==
And this is where it then gets very interesting indeed. An Arbitrator, SirFozzie, came forth, but rather than adjudicate, he decided to obfuscate and run. He made two statements on the issue. The first of those statements read in plain English that Brews was in the clear. The second statement was a riddle which left us all guessing, and then SirFozzie left the scene passing the buck to community consensus. Durova then archived the thread claiming that it had all been misfiled and that it was for ARBCOM to decide and not for community consensus.


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'Misfiled' is of course a well known bureaucratic 'cop out' strategy. It was not misfiled at all. The one thing that Sir Fozzie did make quite clear was that discussions on the thread should continue. The two pronged buck passing tactic that took place between SirFozzie and Durova was a monumental disgrace, and it left the evil against Brews ohare intact.
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== Adopt-a-user ==
Trusilver finally came forth and reversed that evil, and now he is about to be crucified. I say to Trusilver that you have spoken the truth and so have absolutely no fear whatsoever of the consequences. If wikipedia wants to show itself up, so be it. I would like to thank you very much for doing what you did, and I apologize to you for my premature expressions of disappointment when it appeared to me that you were dragging your heels. I now fully understand your position entirely.


Hello! Please let me know if you are open to adopting me (].) Thanks, ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
And to SirFozzie I say "Don't try to pull the wool over our eyes that there was no consensus to remove the sanctions on Brews ohare". And to Durova I say "Spare us all the quotes from Ncmvocalist". ARBCOM would be spending their time better if they attempted to get to grips with this editor Ncmvocalist who holds absolutely no official position whatsoever but who constantly turns up at ARBCOM hearings and administrative threads muddying the waters and causing people damage. I can speak from personal experience on that point. ] (]) 08:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Looks like you have been rather busy this week. In the meanwhile, I was able to figure out quite a lot by just hanging around. I think I will be able to go ahead on my own. Thanks, ] <sup>(])</sup> 06:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


:No problem, good luck to you. ] 12:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
:David, from the many points you made I just wanted to note that, in my opinion, Durova has made very constructive and fair proposals during the ongoing Arbcom hearing. I haven't seen Durova's quote of Ncmvocalist but I know that she is not dogmatic. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.0ex">]</span></sup></small> 03:02, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


== Vandalism v. Non-Vandalism; Thanks for the Reminder ==
Dr. K, Yes, well I see that she has now agreed that her actions in closing the AN/I thread were premature. And she has redeemed herself by pointing out the gaping flaw in the system, which I have now formally identified as being the lack of a constitutional court, or judicial review procedure. Such is absolutely necessary when admins are making secondary legislation or secondary judgments on the back of primary ARBCOM actions. However, if we divided the powers and ended all this 'arbitration enforcement' business, then a constitutional court would not be necessary. ] (]) 04:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:A significant share of the time at the wiki, things that most people refer to as ''drama'' are actually the result of structural flaws that are fixable. Too often, attention focuses upon the individual personalities involved. A very good habit to get into is to step back and ask whether a reasonable mechanism can prevent future problems. <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 06:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::I agree. I would only add that until the new mechanisms are developed and while we are still in a grey transitional area, that we don't treat people as examples and scapegoat them. That would be extreme and damaging to the project and obviously unbefitting of an AGF-based wiki-culture. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.0ex">]</span></sup></small> 18:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


Also posted on my talk page as a reply:
Dr. K and Durova, I think that there is nothing more that anybody can do now until ARBCOM have voted on the issue of Trusilver. Everything now hinges on that vote, as it will point to the direction that wikipedia is now headed towards. Is wikipedia going to drift towards ], or is it going to drift towards ]? ] is famous for having drawn attention to the higher natural justice which sits above man made rules and regulations, and his writings have been influential in both the British and American constitutions. ] (]) 10:17, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for the comment. Certainly I have made a few mistakes over the past eight months of recent changes patrol. I think they have been few but the goal has to be none, if possible. I suspect most people who do this for a long period of time end up with a few mistakes and a few notices. If an editor brings it to my attention, I will certainly apologize and fix it as best I can.
:It is good to be reminded to slow down or about other fine points from time to time to stay on track. Often I immediately double check the edit and warning that I give. I have undone a few of my edits and warnings when I looked more deeply. The thing to do, of course, is to look a little more carefully at edits that are not so obviously vandalism that anyone could disagree with the conclusion.
:Also, one can get tripped up by earlier edits (usually by a different IP) which leads to reverting a good edit which appears to be vandalism or reverting back to a bad edit. I have caught a few of those mistakes as well as making a few. I think WtT was mostly concerned with late warnings but I have tried to avoid those, especially by avoiding warnings if I did not do the reversion (barring an edit conflict, which would mean the edit is not late, of course). Thanks again for the reminder. ] (]) 21:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
:Undid the revert, cleaned up the spelling as needed, deleted the warning and added an apology and explanation. ] (]) 21:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


== Thanks for your service ==
:Sometime ago there was talk of reforming Arbcom, making it less bureaucratic, more flexible and more responsive. The model of Javert is not representative of flexibility, thus, if adopted it cannot be called reform but rather backsliding. Further this case is a litmus test of the responsiveness of the arbcom to the extenuating circumstances, to the community and to common sense. I hope that AE enforcement actions do not create a new type of uberadmin: The Arbcom AE enforcer whose actions, even Draconian, even unjust, can only be reviewed and changed by Arbcom itself and not by the college of his peers. Arbcom concentrating even more power in its hands is not reform. It is backsliding into an abyss or a banana pit. That of the college of Banana Republics. Arbcom should make decisions. These decisions should be upheld by admins and in special circumstances, overturned by admins. If by overturning a decision an admin's action is challenged, this should go back to the Arbcom for a final decision, without fear, without recrimination but for clarification. Or it could be resolved through a community discussion thus showing community maturity in decision making and Arbcom decision processing. A community which relies on mama-Arbcom for continuous reinforcement of common sense is a community which does not have common sense. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.0ex">]</span></sup></small> 13:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


I just looked at your user page and see you are Gulf War veteran. I thank you for your service. While this is done more often than it was many years ago, it can never be enough. I also see you are a VFW member. I was honored to be invited to a local VFW meeting this week where Korean War veterans were recognized and given certificates of appreciation. I have been lucky to get to know a few of these gentlemen through my church. ] (]) 21:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Dr.K, I think that Jimbo Wales ought to be paying attention to the remarks of Trusilver's daughter, because therein lies the root of the problem. While there are so many unsavoury characters involved in the project, great care needs to be taken to minimize the damage that they can cause through abuse of power. And that is why getting the constitution correct is so important. As it stands right now ARBCOM has merely become an industry of indulgence which serves the project no good whatsoever and which only serves to create discord. It has become the ] who decide who can say what on which pages. If ARBCOM were dissolved right now, the only people who would notice any difference would be those who have been wronged by ARBCOM, and those who have had private scores settled in their favour through ARBCOM's abuses of power. The relevance of ] is that he worked against absolutism by bringing attention to the ]. He worked to curtail the abuses of power that came with ]. The situation that we have right now is one in which ARBCOM are the equivalent of an absolute monarch, and their rule of November 2008 is actually an arbitrary decree as opposed to a natural law. No arbitration committee should contain members who cannot comprehend the distinction between these two concepts. Jimbo Wales is a ], and as such, his job is to curtail corruption within the administration. Being mindful of the fact that this project attracts so many people who are only interested in abusing power, his first priority should be to weaken the blocking power of all administrators to a fixed duration of perhaps no more than 3 months. But the problem at the moment is that Jimbo Wales seems to be reluctant to face up to the reality regarding the nature of ARBCOM in its present constitution. There are those who say that he is powerless like the Queen of England. But that analogy does not hold. The Queen of England's prerogative is only as good as whether or not it would wash if exercised. In fact it hasn't been exercised since 1708. Jimbo Wales's situation doesn't compare to this. Jimbo Wales still holds all the tools to desysop and oversight every administrator. That is real power. If Jimbo Wales oversighted ARBCOM tonight and deleted it from wiki-history in a true Orwellian fashion, it would wash. Tomorrow morning some people would be asking where has ARBCOM gone? But the high ups would reply 'ARBCOM? It never existed'. And wikipedia would be a happier place. Anyway, just watch how the vote goes. If the remaining arbitrators vote for ] they will show themselves up, as four have already done. If they vote to acquit Trusilver, or if they abstain, it will be a victory. ] (]) 15:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you! Hearing that is always much appreciated. ] 15:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


== Invitation to look at edits on ] ==
:Hi David: I find your ability to illustrate matters with parallels from history and literature is extraordinary, and has the merit of putting issues in an objective context where it is clear what is going on, putting aside the turmoil of the present situation. I hope that others feel the same, that history and literature can illuminate matters.
:At the moment, as I understand things, ArbCom is only debating whether a case will be accepted, and are not adjudicating. If it all goes to trial, it will be six months before decisions are made. However, maybe I'm wrong. ] (]) 19:09, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:BTW, ''if'' the case is accepted, I'd expect the role of Tsnkai's extension to the sanctions and their ultimate legality will get front and center. If it is decided that (i) they are illegitimate, and (ii) in abeyance anyway, the whole case decides for Trusilver, open and shut. ] (]) 16:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


I see the article ] has been tagged for expert review since October 2012. As part of a process of drafting a revision of that article in ], I am contacting all Wikipedians who have edited that article since early 2009 for whom I can find a user talk page.
== Request for arbitration ==


I have read all the diffs of all the edits committed to the article since the beginning of 2009 (since before I started editing Misplaced Pages). I see the great majority of edits over that span have been vandalism (often by I.P. editors, presumably teenagers, inserting the names of their classmates in charts of IQ classifications) and reversions of vandalism (sometimes automatically by ClueBot). Just a few editors have referred to and cited published ] on the topic of IQ classification. It is dismaying to see that the number of reliable sources cited in the article has actually declined over the last few years. To help the process of finding reliable sources for articles on psychology and related topics, I have been compiling a ] since I became a Wikipedian in 2010, and I invite you to make use of those sources as you revise articles on Misplaced Pages and to suggest further sources for the source on the talk pages of the source list and its subpages. Because the ] article has been tagged as needing expert attention for more than half a year, I have opened ] about how to fix the article, and I welcome you to join the discussion. The draft I have in ] shows my current thinking about a reader-friendly, well sourced way to update and improve the article. I invite your comments and especially your suggestions of reliable sources as the updating process proceeds. -- ] (], ]) 20:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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== A beer for you! ==
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== Your statement at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case ==


:Heh, I've had a lot of practice. Thank you kindly! ] 15:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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== Sandstein == == A kitten for you! ==


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Whatever the classification of the block you unblocked, it appears that by refusing to justify his actions, and by violating the strictures to provide a warning in advance of action, and to act only in the face of serious violations, Sandstein should be censured for violations of protocol. ] (]) 18:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I see that you've stopped editing several months back. I hope you are all right. Just in case, I am sending this wiki-kitten as a reminder that you are missed here. Perhaps it will help you find your way back,


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== Request for opinion ==
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== What the hell are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ==
Hi Trusilver: I've written a sort of essay suggesting that the main job of Administrators should be to promote thorough and open discussion on Talk pages. Maybe that seems obvious to you, and the devil is in the details. In any event, because you have had some hands-on experience, and because I value your viewpoint, I'd appreciate your evaluation and amplification of this essay. Many thanks. ] (]) 18:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


You sent me a message accusing me of some kind of "vandalism".
:I'll take a look at it sometime today, just a little busy :) ] 19:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


I have no idea what in the world you are talking about. I have never even looked at the Longview Washington page.
I'd appreciate your remarks; there is no rush here; I'll be away for a week. ] (]) 20:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


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== GoRight's recent edits ==


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As far as I can see, you haven't commented on GoRight's recent involvement of himself in Abd's most recent block. When you suggested unblock conditions for GoRight, I ] explicitly what might happen: "''Particularly problematic are the cases where GoRight inserts himself into disputes involving other editors.''" "''Leaving him free...to involve himself into others' disputes (as long as he maintains a veneer of civility) pretty much takes us back to where we started.''"


Noticed you had a huge edit history, but vanished abruptly. I've added you to the page above to commemorate your service to Misplaced Pages, but if you for any reason want it removed (or come back to edit), please remember to remove it. If you just want it removed, I suggest logging in, removing it with an edit summary explicitly stating you do not wish to be added, and leaving that as your last edit so people will see it when they come looking to add you. God bless, ''']]]''' 16:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
And here we are. One disruptive insertion of himself into an RfArb clarification request (encouraging Abd to continue to engage in his own disruptive insertion of ''him''self into disputes): ]. One spurious AN complaint, related to same: ].


:Not TOTALLY missing. Just spending very long times without editing. ] 23:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Same parties, same disruption, same misbehaviour, same problem. I really think that it's time you revisited the unblock terms that you offered. ](]) 13:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


== Community desysoping RfC ==
:What specifically is disruptive about GoRight commenting on Abd's request? GoRight is intimately familiar with Abd's case, this is not an example of him injecting himself into something new. I'd also be interested in what you consider "misbehavior". ] (]) 14:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi. You are invited to comment at ]. ] (]) 07:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
::I have had very little internet time over the last few days. I have checked out a few of GoRight's edits and I am a little bit concerned that past bad habits might be resurfacing, but I haven't had a chance to comment or make a more comprehensive review. I will look into it when I get some time this afternoon. ] 17:29, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


== ] ==
::: Please do. I will be more than happy to pro-actively address any concerns. I was specifically under the impression that I was still allowed to participate in community discussions as long as I wasn't disruptive. In the RfAr/Clarification I have simply expressed my opinion concerning the interpretation that is being applied to Abd's sanction. Lots of other editors have done the same. In the case of the AN request I have always been under the impression that any editor is allowed to ask for a review of any administrative action. This is all I have done. If I am in error on either of these topics I will certainly attempt to correct the matter.<p>I would also ask that you take the totality of my subsequent editing record into account rather than simply focusing on TOAT's favored items, and recognize that TOAT is very far from a neutral party in any of the issues he raises here. --] (]) 19:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


{{Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2015/MassMessage}} ] (]) 16:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: I've crossed paths with admins ] and ] a fair bit since being unblocked. You might query them about whether they have noted any changes in my behavior since being unblocked and/or have any concerns. I do want to adhere to the sanctions so I welcome feedback from all three. --] (]) 20:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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::::: I'll also agree to not edit either of the above mentioned venues until you have had time to complete whatever level of review you feel is appropriate and have provided me feedback here. --] (]) 20:09, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


Hello, I just came upon this page again while going through a database query of redirects on Misplaced Pages with the most revisions. I discovered that both the project and talk page had older revisions in your userspace at {{noredirect|User:Trusilver/Wikiproject Copyeditor's League}} and {{noredirect|User talk:Trusilver/Wikiproject Copyeditor's League}}, respectively, and have history-merged the relevant edits into the main project and talk pages. Hope you don't mind. ''']'''] 12:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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==Yo Ho Ho==
:::::Likebox, if we all leave because the leadership of Misplaced Pages bullies us away, then everyone loses. I hope you stay, doing otherwise lets these assholes win. My best friend is a high school science teacher who has always viewed my obsession with Misplaced Pages with what I can only describe as a fatherly tolerance. He tell his students the same thing he tells me: "You are welcome to use Misplaced Pages as much as you want, but you better be sure the information you are getting is correct. If the people writing the articles are biased, then the information you are getting is biased." Arbcom is doing what Arbcom does best; defending themselves and their interests at the expense of all else. If every Arbcom wannabe politician had been put into a bus and run off a cliff two years ago, then the health of the project today would be... well... pretty much the same as it is now. The truth is that Arbcom is generally pointless and has not made a single decision since its inception that really matters. The average reader of Misplaced Pages doesn't know nor care about Arbcom. They have, up to this point, attempted to call me an involved admin simply because I made the block, even if I haven't interacted with Brews and his friends ever before then. That failing, they attempt to call my actions political... even though I specifically blast Wikipolitics at every opportunity (way to do your research on that one, guys, nice to know you actually are doing something from your almighty thrones). I especially like that they say I didn't discuss it with the blocking admin, because they would have had to go to the herculean effort of... oh... reading my talk page to see that I did. But, the truth of the matter is that I'm laughing my ass off through this whole thing. I've already tried out a preview of the ex admin flag on my user page and I really like the looks of it! They have violated every past precedent they have ever made on desysopping to get rid of me, and that's going to bite them on the ass more than it will me... especially since I never cared to begin with. But it's really a great thing, I've been considering giving up my mop for more than a year now anyway, I was always a much happier and less cynical Wikipedian before the mop. (I won't do it though, I insist that they desysop me. I have a low view of people who quit seconds before being fired, it's just silly and I'd rather prove the point) ] 01:11, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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The material here is all GPLed, so that anybody can make a fork at any time. I will not contribute to this political environment, but I would be happy to contribute to any fork with better politics. In the meantime, thank you for your efforts. I will keep my account for the sole purpose of voting.] (]) 05:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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:Thanks for your support, though as I wrote above, any decision they come to is largely irrelevant in my eyes. If you will notice, they desysopped Slimvirgin six months for the same thing, only she got three warnings beforehand. The difference here is that I'm openly critical of Arbcom while she wasn't. So it's nice to know that they aren't petty little children or anything, you know? :) The original incarnation of Arbcom was staffed with the best and the brightest Misplaced Pages had to offer, from there on it has deteriorated in much the way that any political system does over time. The paradox of political service is that those that are truly suited to the role have no interest in it, while those that shouldn't be put anywhere '''near''' a position of power are those that are most likely to seek it out. Arbcom long ago sunk down to the least common denominator of Wikipedian intelligence, why should we really expect anything useful out of them?


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You reverted a change that I made to Refusal to Serve in the Israeli Military article. However, I did not make any changes to the Refusal to Serve in the Israeli Military article! So I think you perhaps left a message at the wrong address, thank you :) long live Palestine! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.162.163 (talk) 07:18, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Just an FYI

You left a complaint on the user page in regards to a recent edit of Mark Levin. I just wanted to let you know that this IP belongs to an entire county wide library consortium. Thousands of people frequent our libraries pub pc's daily. So just in case you see this IP in the future, just remember it's not one person LOL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.200.10.214 (talk) 16:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Complaint

Hi i see you've edited out my additions regarding the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes and the IOOF. Just because your not privy to certain archives don't mean you have the right to go about and doctor history towards you way of thinking. Its a well known fact that Tom Skinner, was an Oddfellow in Auckland and it should be mentioned because the IOOF were a MAJOR organization in their day and deserve a bit of publicity same too with the RAOB. As for Sir Basil Arthur, Ive actually seen the article which appeared in a local Timaru paper during the 1960's that mentioned Sir Basil as being a staunch member of the Royal Antediluvian Order Buffaloes, and old members have confirmed this. Even when he was in Parliament he still attended lodge meetings when he was able. As for Bill Rowling, old members of the RAOB in New Zealand well recall Bill in Lodge meetings. He was initiated into Nikau Lodge in the 1950s in Northland and attended meetings in various lodges including in Motueka Lodge. I actually have spent many hours talking to old members of the Buffs and then doing research through the Buffaloe Archives. Most if not all my information is privately sourced and is not public domain stuff. I like to share these little insights with you because all too often history becomes one sided. These historical figures had a life away from politics. One gains a new appreciation for some of these people when one discovers they were more then just a politician or union figure but actually put back into their community through such ancient and honorable fellowships as the RAOB and IOOF respectively. (GrandVoice (talk) 03:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC))

Thanks

Many thanks, Trusilver, for all you do on Misplaced Pages, especially keeping my personal pages free of vandalism. Regards, Pinethicket (talk) 23:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. It's certainly appreciated. :) Trusilver 00:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Something different

The Respectable Captain
After reading your remarks and thoughts, I concluded you must be a distinguished airplane pilot. Itemirus (talk) 23:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hah! That just made my whole day :) I was taking a drink when I clicked on my talk page and damned near spit it out when I saw this. Thank you very much! Trusilver 00:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

how can i ??

how can i make constructive pages and r u the administrater of wikipedia ???????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by K K Kothari (talk • contribs) 03:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The first thing is to understand that edits like this are totally unacceptable. Trusilver 03:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

No source whatsoever.

That "article" had no source at all. How did it get published to start with? ANY article is better than NO article? Really?A Source Monster (talk) 20:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The correct method of dealing with sourcing problems is to tag it for references, bring up your issue in the talk page, CSD tag it IF there is a copyright issue, or (and here's a really crazy idea) find some sources for it yourself. Blanking an article arbitrarily is NOT an acceptable solution. Have a good day. Trusilver 21:00, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
YES! Dlohcierekim 21:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
"or (and here's a really crazy idea) find some sources for it yourself"? Why? I didn't put that pseudo-article up to start with. Did the original publisher follow ""The correct method"? "ANY article is better than NO article?"A Source Monster (talk) 21:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes... find some sources. We work as a collective here, the best solution to finding something that is wrong with the encyclopedia is to fix it. I have no intention of arguing with you about it. If you have a problem with the article, then address it with one of the methods I just provided you. This is how we do things here. You can always take up your issue at the reliable sources noticeboard. However, continuing to blank the entire article is going to be futile, as that ANY wikipedian monitoring recent changes will revert a blanked article. Have a good day. Trusilver 21:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

@A Source Monster-- YES. Really. It's what we do. Not every article is well sourced and well structured to start with. We don't know such articles need to be deleted till after we try to improve them. We are a collaborative effort. And we never blank someone else's work unless it is required under G10 or BLP or copyright. Dlohcierekim 21:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Tru, thank you for being polite.
I do not have the ability to pursue this. I was interested in the subject, and had no problem with the article itself. But the sloppy method irritated me. Not only was it published without sources, but edited without them, too. Not encyclopedic, was it? So I rocked the boat. Now several real "Wikipedians" are aware of this stuff. I would hope that this article will be improved, or deleted, in the future. So, again, thank you for being polite.
BTW, I am going to post this answer to another polite Wikipedian. Hope that doesn't offend you.A Source Monster (talk) 23:10, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Not a problem at all. I was just about to go over to the article and put a tag on it for no sources, but User:Dlohcierekim already beat me to it. Trusilver 23:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Perro verde

not seeing the page blank. Just revert to Spanish. A7 either way. Dlohcierekim 21:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Where did the editor request the page to be deleted per your A7? Go Phightins! (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Ah, sorry about that. I actually had to look this up, as I didn't have the slightest clue what you were talking about. I could have sworn I A7'd this one rather than G7'd it. Thank you both for the quick catch. Trusilver 21:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
No problem, it wasn't going to last long anyway. Happy editing, Go Phightins! (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh, but never fear! It's back again. G4 this time? :) Trusilver 21:27, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

G4 only for AfD. For all I know, it's notable, so they can try again to get it up. Hopefully in English, w/ 20 verifiable sources Dlohcierekim 21:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Did we ever figure out what Perro Verde translated to English is? Go Phightins! (talk) 21:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Direct translation is "green dog" or possibly "fresh" or "young" dog. Depends on the dialect. Trusilver 22:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's what I'd have guessed based on my limited Spanish knowledge...it's been a while. Thanks for your help on the article. Go Phightins! (talk) 22:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it's notable either. I've spent the last twenty minutes using my half-assed ability to read Spanish and I'm not really seeing any obvious sources for it. If the article DOES come back with refs, it would probably be helpful to have someone that speaks better Spanish than I do to check them out, because I'm not finding anything in English. Trusilver 22:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, it also should probably be on the Spanish Misplaced Pages as well. Anyway, thanks. Go Phightins! (talk) 19:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Barnstar of Reversion

Anti-vandalism contributions
Thank you for protecting us from the vandals. Your work is greatly appreciated! ComputerJA (talk) 17:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. It's much appreciated! Trusilver 17:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Jaipur Kathak Kendra

trusilver when are you adding back whatever i have added to wikipage jaipur kathak kendra and you have removed saying you did not find it constructive. i have written a explanation but have not been able to see a change. this is second time you i have tried adding value to wikipedia in years but both times nothing happened and i felt having wasted time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathakjaipur (talk • contribs) 06:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

To answer your question, adding the telephone number and address of the subject of an article is neither encyclopedic nor appropriate under several policies. Misplaced Pages is not a directory. Trusilver 06:45, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Great Job!

You keep beating me to reverting vandals...that's about 15 times so far, stop that :P --at-210 17:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Hah, you have beaten me a few times today too. I think the speed comes from doing this crap for five years :) Trusilver 18:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
You always a bit faster than me (and sometimes ClueBot) with Huggle, and you do a very good job keeping Misplaced Pages free from vandalism, so I think you should have this :) Altaïr (talk) 17:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you kindly :) Trusilver 18:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Also... keep in mind that you use STiki. I don't use that application for a reason... I feel that Huggle, while being a little more complicated, is more useful for identifying vandalism. The queue parameters for STiki are too narrow, in my opinion. Trusilver 18:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for reverting IP vandalism on my talk page. WikiPuppies bark 20:32, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! Trusilver 00:28, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks again, Trusilver, for your effort to keep Misplaced Pages free of vandalism. Regards, Pinethicket (talk) 22:44, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, always glad to be of help. Trusilver 00:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Removal of link

Please restore the link to http://financialstatementschool.com/ to the Financial Statement Analysis topic. I believe you made a mistake by removing it. Please look at "Further Reading" #4. It's a homemade website with a very incomplete list of some financial ratios. Why is this link here? I thought the one I added was much more useful to readers.

According to the guidelines, a link may be inserted when it contains helpful/additional info. over and above what the wikipedia page can cover. I think the link I had added fits this well. The site has a huge list of ratio calculations with the actual calculation, description, analysis, and even analysis of a sample financial statement. Please look at this:

http://financialstatementschool.com/categories/263/ratios.aspx

Here is one of the entries:

http://financialstatementschool.com/2008/07/16/activity-ratios-and-accounts-receivable-turnover.aspx

Thanks!

Kenpirok (talk) 23:36, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I have looked over the article and your site, as well as removed two other links from the article (the one you talked about and another that was far more commercially slanted than yours.) As far as your site goes, it has a lot of useful information on it, and I don't feel that the link to your commercial site is EXTREMELY blatant. Obviously you would like to use Misplaced Pages as a means to funnel traffic to your site, and you don't go to extremes to hide your COI issue. Also... keeping in mind WP:ADV, I feel that the wealth of information on the site that is not available on the article warrant inclusion. Overall... the content is very informational and the link over to your commercial site is low-key. Unless anyone else has an objection to it, please feel free to re-insert the link. I'm going to remove the warning on your userpage. Trusilver 01:41, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Ahh...

We'll make a Tide fan out of you yet! Seriously, I know it's just a click, but thanks for the clean up. See ya 'round Tiderolls 23:57, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I figure after I revert vandalism on your user page for the 100th time, there is some kind of prize coming to me. Trusilver 00:37, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the great edits, not to mention your military service!

Mathiasr101 (talk) 01:23, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, especially for the second part. It's always much appreciated. Trusilver 01:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Adopt a user

Adopt me please, I am dannyboy1209 working under an ip 92.0.126.49 (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Your account has been blocked indefinitely. As such, you are not permitted to edit in any capacity. If you would like a second chance, I suggest you go through proper channels as noted on your account's talk page. Until then, I'm afraid that I cannot help you. Trusilver 23:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

John Salvi

I have no idea how to work this thing, but your article on John Salvi is atrocious. Do a little research and get it right. What you have there could be farther than the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.80.8 (talk) 01:20, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Sounds fantastic! How about you try your hand at fixing it.... only this time please read WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:RS first. If you need help, I would be happy to assist you. Trusilver 01:24, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

reverting

owl city is a band. and he overenunciates. labeling owl city as musical project is advertising. see http://strictlyalright.tumblr.com/post/31411352317/not-linking-to-that-carly-rae-owl-city-duet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.185.49 (talk) 12:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Somebody's blog is not a reliable source. Whether he "overenunciates" or not is irrelevant unless you have a reliable source that suggests it. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a place to editorialize your opinion. Trusilver 12:59, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
even if you are right about enunciating (which i don't think you are), the phrase "musical project" is awful, ask the next 10 editors you interact with (respectable) ones, if 8 or more agree with band, please change it to band. If 7 or less agree with using band vs musical project leave it be. I am betting 80%+ will agree with me. musical project = advertising/marketing
Again, we are entering the realm of your opinion. If you want to publish your opinion, go start a blog. Misplaced Pages is not a publisher of original thought. As for the musical project part? I couldn't care less if I tried really hard. You see... I have neither heard of, nor am really interested in hearing this band or musical project, or whatever they choose to call themselves. Feel free to change that part if you like, that wasn't why you were being reverted. You were being reverted for the overenunciation part which is non-notable speculation without a reliable source to back it up. Trusilver 12:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

My edits to Sharman Joshi

Thank you for warning me. I did not know that converting an biography into autobiography is vandalism. I am very sorry. Thank you for the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.54.145 (talk) 14:00, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not an exercise in creative writing. We write things from a neutral perspective, we do not write biographical articles as though the subject were writing it himself. Trusilver 14:03, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Youre Great. I love you, here is a kitten to show my appreciation

A232921 (talk) 14:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Police

Please refrain from removing content from my talk page. Factocop (talk) 13:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome Trusilver 14:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Nothing personal but I didnt expect to see an edit war on my page disappear without getting a chance to review it. And the user in question wasnt exactly bothering/hounding me...I would say that I have become a bit more petty just because in the past users have had tried to get me blocked over the silliest of comments. I told a user that they were being petty and suddenly my name turned up at ANI.Factocop (talk) 16:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Certainly understandable. No offense taken. Trusilver 18:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks again, Trusilver, for keeping my personal pages free of vandalism. Regards, Pinethicket (talk) 17:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Not a problem :) Trusilver 18:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user

Hi Trusilver. I'm leaving you this message because you have previously been involved as an adopter with Misplaced Pages's Adopt-a-user program. A clean-up of this program is currently underway, and as part of the process I am trying to find out who is and isn't still interested in remaining an adopter.

If you would prefer not to be part of the adoption program anymore, you need do nothing; when the overhaul of the project is completed your name will be removed from the list of active adopters. However, if you have current adoptees, an active adoption school or an interest in adopting in the near future, then please let us know by signing here.

If you want to remain in the project and can currently take on more adoptees, there is a serious backlog at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user; it would be enormously helpful if you could take on one or two of the users there. Please do keep an eye on the project for upcoming changes, we could use your opinions and your help! Yunshui 雲‍水 09:23, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Trusilver. Thanks for agreeing to stay on at Adopt-a-user. I've recently updated the list of adopters and I have included you, per your original comments on that page and your comments at User:Yunshui/Overhaul/Adopters staying on. You can see your new profile at the list of adopters. Why not update your profile with an image and maybe have another look at your description? You can also include a list of any adoptees you currently have. If you are also willing to mentor problematic users, possibly as part of a conditional unblock, please include "mentorship=yes" in your profile. Thanks again for all your help. Worm(talk) 13:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for defending me from the person who was so upset over the stubbification. Too bad he left a message that seems to indicate that you fed a troll.--I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 00:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Some people are intent on never getting a clue regardless of how many times you tell them. Trusilver 13:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Signature

I neglected to thank you for updating your signature, which is indeed more legible. Thanks! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely! You are most welcome. Trusilver 23:18, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 03:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

José Bosingwa

I have no idea what you're on about, I haven't made edits to this article or any article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.222.161 (talk) 20:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

It was most likely someone else using the same IP address as you are, then. Unfortunately, we can not identify the difference between multiple users on the same address unless they are signed in with Wiki accounts. Trusilver 23:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Trusilver/Erik A. Williams

User:Trusilver/Erik A. Williams, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Trusilver/Erik A. Williams and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Trusilver/Erik A. Williams during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Was this vandalism?

Hi Trusilver-- I noticed you warned another user Itsatraplin (talk · contribs) for vandalizing Taenia solium. I looked at their contribution history, and while their edits probably were correctly reverted, edits like , , or did not appear (to me) as obvious vandalism. Is there something I am missing here, because these looked like legitimate attempts to improve the article (albeit, without appropriate sources). If you could, could you clarify why you thought this was vandalism? I, Jethrobot (note: not a bot!) 02:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

No, actually that was just a few odd unsourced changes to an article that I incorrectly labelled. Trusilver 23:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Always a pleasure..

...to see you around. Wifione 05:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, always good to see you nominating good admin candidates :) Trusilver 17:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:ChildofMidnight/FAT (Architecture)

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Cheers for the message!

" Hello, I'm Trusilver. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions, such as the one you made to Epistle to the Romans, because it didn’t appear constructive to me. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks, Trusilver 16:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)"

Thanks for this - I have no idea what you are referring to. I guess that someone else's IP has been reallocated to me. Cheers though!92.26.119.60 (talk) 23:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

That's very likely what happened. Have a good day and happy editing :) Trusilver 18:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Vampire clans

A while ago (back in 2008, in fact), you voted "proceedural keep" for Tremere, because it was isolated from the rest.

Now it has been a few years and I don't know if you were that interested with it to start with, but I've started a discussion for a group merge of all the clans here. If you have any opinions, it'd be great to hear them. It'd be annoying to just see the discussion die without anyone noticing.

Since you seem to still be active (what luck!), I'm going to assume you'll read this and thank you advance in for reading. Thanks! – Bellum (talk) 22:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Trusilver. I hope I am contacting you via an appropriate messaging tool. I am brand new to Misplaced Pages editing. I found you on the list of people willing to mentor. I need a mentor. I know nothing. I want to correct errors of fact on a particular Misplaced Pages page but I do not know how to go about that in the Misplaced Pages way. Frankly, I expect the edits will not be taken well by some. On the Misplaced Pages page I want to edit, the contributors do not seem to be using the Talk page. Hopefully, you will be interested in mentoring me. Since I do not know the first thing about the inner workings of Misplaced Pages, I will be more likely to get a reply from you if you email to me. My email is sailinstuff@yahoo.com. Thanks!!! SailinStuff (talk) 03:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I am more than willing to help you and answer any questions you have, but I am not actively mentoring at this time. I have a job which makes my editing time unpredictable. I do check in every day though, so feel free to pose any questions you might have to me and I will help out wherever I can. Trusilver 03:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Trusilver. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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—Theopolisme (talk) 14:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not one to touch another man's user page...

...but would you mind indulging me? I'm having an attack on all the red-link categories relating to Wikiprojects. Right now your user page is the only one linking to category:WikiProject League of Copyeditors participants. I can see that there's a bit of history there, I'm not expecting you to touch the user box but would you mind either disabling the category link, or editing it to category:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors members ? I only have mild OCD, honest!!! <g> TIA Le Deluge (talk) 22:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely :) Done and done. Some of the best Wikipedians have OCD'ish tendencies. Trusilver 23:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Cheers. <g> Le Deluge (talk) 13:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I saw you changed some stuff on my page about the Neuron

Yo dog! What you think this is!? You said it wasn't productive!? Do you know who i am!? I don't have to take this! If you ever change my page about the Neuron, we gonna have some problems! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.255.175.238 (talk) 15:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

That's nice. Have a good day and don't forget to take your meds. Trusilver 23:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Mail

Hello, Trusilver. Please check your e-mail – you've got mail!
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Replied! Trusilver 04:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and have some pierogi!

Pierogi Award
Thanks for your support of my RfA. It didn't succeed this time, but that's no reason not to have some nice pierogi. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user

Hello! Please let me know if you are open to adopting me (Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-user.) Thanks, Anand 14:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC) Looks like you have been rather busy this week. In the meanwhile, I was able to figure out quite a lot by just hanging around. I think I will be able to go ahead on my own. Thanks, Anand 06:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem, good luck to you. Trusilver 12:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism v. Non-Vandalism; Thanks for the Reminder

Also posted on my talk page as a reply:

Thanks for the comment. Certainly I have made a few mistakes over the past eight months of recent changes patrol. I think they have been few but the goal has to be none, if possible. I suspect most people who do this for a long period of time end up with a few mistakes and a few notices. If an editor brings it to my attention, I will certainly apologize and fix it as best I can.
It is good to be reminded to slow down or about other fine points from time to time to stay on track. Often I immediately double check the edit and warning that I give. I have undone a few of my edits and warnings when I looked more deeply. The thing to do, of course, is to look a little more carefully at edits that are not so obviously vandalism that anyone could disagree with the conclusion.
Also, one can get tripped up by earlier edits (usually by a different IP) which leads to reverting a good edit which appears to be vandalism or reverting back to a bad edit. I have caught a few of those mistakes as well as making a few. I think WtT was mostly concerned with late warnings but I have tried to avoid those, especially by avoiding warnings if I did not do the reversion (barring an edit conflict, which would mean the edit is not late, of course). Thanks again for the reminder. Donner60 (talk) 21:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Undid the revert, cleaned up the spelling as needed, deleted the warning and added an apology and explanation. Donner60 (talk) 21:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your service

I just looked at your user page and see you are Gulf War veteran. I thank you for your service. While this is done more often than it was many years ago, it can never be enough. I also see you are a VFW member. I was honored to be invited to a local VFW meeting this week where Korean War veterans were recognized and given certificates of appreciation. I have been lucky to get to know a few of these gentlemen through my church. Donner60 (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Hearing that is always much appreciated. Trusilver 15:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to look at edits on IQ reference chart

I see the article IQ reference chart has been tagged for expert review since October 2012. As part of a process of drafting a revision of that article in my user sandbox, I am contacting all Wikipedians who have edited that article since early 2009 for whom I can find a user talk page.

I have read all the diffs of all the edits committed to the article since the beginning of 2009 (since before I started editing Misplaced Pages). I see the great majority of edits over that span have been vandalism (often by I.P. editors, presumably teenagers, inserting the names of their classmates in charts of IQ classifications) and reversions of vandalism (sometimes automatically by ClueBot). Just a few editors have referred to and cited published reliable sources on the topic of IQ classification. It is dismaying to see that the number of reliable sources cited in the article has actually declined over the last few years. To help the process of finding reliable sources for articles on psychology and related topics, I have been compiling a source list on intelligence since I became a Wikipedian in 2010, and I invite you to make use of those sources as you revise articles on Misplaced Pages and to suggest further sources for the source on the talk pages of the source list and its subpages. Because the IQ reference chart article has been tagged as needing expert attention for more than half a year, I have opened discussion on the article's talk page about how to fix the article, and I welcome you to join the discussion. The draft I have in my user sandbox shows my current thinking about a reader-friendly, well sourced way to update and improve the article. I invite your comments and especially your suggestions of reliable sources as the updating process proceeds. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 20:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For beating me to reverting so much vandalism tonight! Arctic Kangaroo (✉ • ✎) 15:47, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Heh, I've had a lot of practice. Thank you kindly! Trusilver 15:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I see that you've stopped editing several months back. I hope you are all right. Just in case, I am sending this wiki-kitten as a reminder that you are missed here. Perhaps it will help you find your way back,

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:59, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You sent me a message accusing me of some kind of "vandalism".

I have no idea what in the world you are talking about. I have never even looked at the Longview Washington page.

Please cease making false accusations and make appropriate apologies immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.57.119.132 (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Missing Wikipedians

Noticed you had a huge edit history, but vanished abruptly. I've added you to the page above to commemorate your service to Misplaced Pages, but if you for any reason want it removed (or come back to edit), please remember to remove it. If you just want it removed, I suggest logging in, removing it with an edit summary explicitly stating you do not wish to be added, and leaving that as your last edit so people will see it when they come looking to add you. God bless, LazyBastardGuy 16:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Not TOTALLY missing. Just spending very long times without editing. Trusilver 23:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Community desysoping RfC

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Misplaced Pages:WikiProject League of Copyeditors

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