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| The result of the debate was '''keep'''. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">''']]]''' <small>{]}</small></span> 19:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Obscure, non-notable writer. |
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| '''This AfD process has been further disrupted by a suspected ] of {{user|Jason Gastrich}}, {{User|Wiggins2}}. See his : they consist almost solely of soliciting others to come to these AfDs and vote keep.''' | |||
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| As a result of the serial disruption of AfD and other questionable behaviour, I have raised a user RfC on Jason Gastrich, see ]. - ] <sup>]]</sup>/<sub>]]</sub> ] '']'' 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| *'''Rebuttal''': Everything above was posted to skew the voting and make people turn against me and bias their viewpoint of the nomination and the entry. It's a pretty sick tactic. It shows they care little about the actual strength of the entry; which should be the only thing considered. Since the "warnings" have been posted, some people have even said that they've voted ''only'' because of the alleged misconduct. Consequently, they and the people who are engaging in this witchhunt should be ashamed of themselves. They've done irreparable damage to their integrity and to Misplaced Pages. --] 01:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| '''Delete'''. ] 05:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ⚫ | * '''Strong keep'''. This editor nominated 4 Christian biography entries for deletion, today. It's hard to assume good faith. By the way, Grant Jeffrey is '''very notable'''. He has written numerous books and has over 11 million Google hits .--] 05:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::'''comment''' the number of nominations by the editor is irrelevant to the issue. ] 19:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::'''comment''' by "11 million Google hits" you must mean . | |||
| * '''Keep''', per the persuasive commentary of ]. If the original author or the editors of a piece bothered to make the case for notability as he has done, rather than whine about deletions, complain about imaginary "vandalism," and recruit or post "keep" votes that say nothing more than "very notable" or "clearly notable," there would probably be fewer of these AfDs. Two more things: You get 11,000,000 hits if you don't know how to use a search engine. The fact is that, even if you properly search for "Grant Jeffrey" and include the quotes, you get just over 45,000 and, by the third page, you're running into lots of other people with the name, or identified as "Grant, Jeffrey." If you just type "Grant Jeffrey" in the search field without the quotes, you get every page that Google can find with either word or both words. One would think that one whom considers himself a web host and web page designer would know that. Second, there is no reason to disparage the editor on the subject of "good faith" simply because he has nominated several of Gastrich's articles for deletion. Jeffrey's reputation as "very notable" seems to occur only within a small segment of Christendom. By and large, the majority of Christians are either unaware of him or pay him no mind. - ] 05:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete'''. hius qualifications are from a diploma mill. self-styled religious leader.] 06:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' if and only if it can be established that the contents are not a copyright violation. The text is lifted directly from the subject's homepage. The subject is absolutely notable. - ] 07:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **'''From the Wiki article''': Grant Jeffrey is known as one of the top teachers on Bible prophecy and a reasoned defense of Christianity. As Chairman of Frontier Research Publications, over the last decade and a half, Jeffrey’s numerous best selling books have garnered over four million sales. A number of publishers, such as Harper Collins, Bantam, Word, Zondervan, and Tyndale have published his writings in 23 languages throughout the world. Frequently, all throughout the world, Jeffrey appears on TV and radio shows. | |||
| **'''From the Grant Jeffrey Page''': Grant Jeffrey is recognized as one of the leading teachers on Bible prophecy and an intelligent defense of our Christian faith. He is the chairman of Frontier Research Publications, Inc., a leading publisher of books, tapes and videos. Grant’s 18 best selling books have resulted in more than four million sales during the last thirteen years. Numerous publishers including Bantam, Harper Collins, Zondervan, Word, Tyndale have printed his books in 23 languages throughout the world. He appears frequently on TV and radio throughout the world. Grant and his wife Kaye have been in full time ministry since 1988. | |||
| **Sure looks like to me. of plagiarism for this particular author/editor. - ] 12:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' if copyright issues are resolved. Notable enough. ] 07:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' Grant Jeffrey is one of the hosts of Praise the Lord, an international tv series.He also is on a nationally syndicated radio show.] )1:16 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' many published books -- ]<small>|]</small> 09:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''', these religious tracts seem to be ten a penny, but a TV show is different. I wouldn't watch it if Satan was knocking on the door and it was my last chance to save my soul, but that's not a criterion for deletion. --] <small>]</small> 10:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' over zealous afd approach here. Forget the Google hits issue that is not a sufficient test. His books are very influencial in the evengelical end of the church. By the way I don't agree personally with all he writes. Still keep. :: ] : please contact me on my ] : 10:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' This one seems to be notable: lots of books and a tv show. --] 11:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' as notable personality. ''']''' ] 16:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Cleanup''' to '''Remove Plagarism''', and then this can be decided fairly. -] 17:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Speedy keep''' as per Jason Gastrich, haphazard nomination. ] 18:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' looks like a kook but even kooks can be notable. ] 19:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' This article was created by Jason Gastrich to promote his school as a mainstream institution. This is only one of around 10 articles he created promoting his religion/degree/school. See ]. --Q | |||
| *'''Keep''' Grant Jeffrey is quite well known around christian "end times prophesy" circles.--] 21:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' - ] 03:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Neutral''' at present, still looking for verifiable neutral information on this person (genuine authorities usually have degrees from real universities, no unaccredited ones). Article is now more neutral than it was, but in becoming more neutral it is also less compalling per ] - funny how often toning down a hagiography does that :-). If kept most of the books need to go, ] a directory. ] <sup>]]</sup>/<sub>]]</sub> ] '']'' 12:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Keep''' --] 14:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''', after being absolutely sure that plagiarism issues are addressed. -] 21:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' Another non-notable from our most prolific creator of articles on non-notables, Gastrich. ] 22:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Strong delete.''' Misplaced Pages is not here to promote obscure works by obscure authors. Unnotable. Fails to meet Misplaced Pages notability criteria. ] 03:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :On what grounds? Please describe which of the criteria he doesn't meet. --] 21:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: An independent source that shows a publishing history of 5,000+. See discussion above. Also see '''Plagiarism''' discussion. ] 00:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' It appears this is a legit author altho apparently a bit on the kooky side, but that is no reason to delete. --] 21:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)--] 21:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Latest revision as of 08:50, 29 March 2022
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was keep. howcheng {chat} 19:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Grant Jeffrey
Obscure, non-notable writer. This AfD process has been further disrupted by a suspected sockpuppet of Jason Gastrich (talk · contribs), Wiggins2 (talk · contribs). See his contributions: they consist almost solely of soliciting others to come to these AfDs and vote keep.
As a result of the serial disruption of AfD and other questionable behaviour, I have raised a user RfC on Jason Gastrich, see Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Jason Gastrich. - Just zis Guy, you know? / 
AfD? 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- Rebuttal: Everything above was posted to skew the voting and make people turn against me and bias their viewpoint of the nomination and the entry. It's a pretty sick tactic. It shows they care little about the actual strength of the entry; which should be the only thing considered. Since the "warnings" have been posted, some people have even said that they've voted only because of the alleged misconduct. Consequently, they and the people who are engaging in this witchhunt should be ashamed of themselves. They've done irreparable damage to their integrity and to Misplaced Pages. --Jason Gastrich 01:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Delete. A.J.A. 05:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Strong keep. This editor nominated 4 Christian biography entries for deletion, today. It's hard to assume good faith. By the way, Grant Jeffrey is very notable. He has written numerous books and has over 11 million Google hits .--Jason Gastrich 05:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- comment the number of nominations by the editor is irrelevant to the issue. Mark K. Bilbo 19:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- comment by "11 million Google hits" you must mean about 19K right?.
- Keep, per the persuasive commentary of Jaysus Chris. If the original author or the editors of a piece bothered to make the case for notability as he has done, rather than whine about deletions, complain about imaginary "vandalism," and recruit or post "keep" votes that say nothing more than "very notable" or "clearly notable," there would probably be fewer of these AfDs. Two more things: You get 11,000,000 hits if you don't know how to use a search engine. The fact is that, even if you properly search for "Grant Jeffrey" and include the quotes, you get just over 45,000 and, by the third page, you're running into lots of other people with the name, or identified as "Grant, Jeffrey." If you just type "Grant Jeffrey" in the search field without the quotes, you get every page that Google can find with either word or both words. One would think that one whom considers himself a web host and web page designer would know that. Second, there is no reason to disparage the editor on the subject of "good faith" simply because he has nominated several of Gastrich's articles for deletion. Jeffrey's reputation as "very notable" seems to occur only within a small segment of Christendom. By and large, the majority of Christians are either unaware of him or pay him no mind. - WarriorScribe 05:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. hius qualifications are from a diploma mill. self-styled religious leader.Blnguyen 06:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep if and only if it can be established that the contents are not a copyright violation. The text is lifted directly from the subject's homepage. The subject is absolutely notable. - Jaysus Chris 07:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- From the Wiki article: Grant Jeffrey is known as one of the top teachers on Bible prophecy and a reasoned defense of Christianity. As Chairman of Frontier Research Publications, over the last decade and a half, Jeffrey’s numerous best selling books have garnered over four million sales. A number of publishers, such as Harper Collins, Bantam, Word, Zondervan, and Tyndale have published his writings in 23 languages throughout the world. Frequently, all throughout the world, Jeffrey appears on TV and radio shows.
- From the Grant Jeffrey Page: Grant Jeffrey is recognized as one of the leading teachers on Bible prophecy and an intelligent defense of our Christian faith. He is the chairman of Frontier Research Publications, Inc., a leading publisher of books, tapes and videos. Grant’s 18 best selling books have resulted in more than four million sales during the last thirteen years. Numerous publishers including Bantam, Harper Collins, Zondervan, Word, Tyndale have printed his books in 23 languages throughout the world. He appears frequently on TV and radio throughout the world. Grant and his wife Kaye have been in full time ministry since 1988.
- Sure looks like plagiarism to me. This wouldn't be the first incident of plagiarism for this particular author/editor. - WarriorScribe 12:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep if copyright issues are resolved. Notable enough. Logophile 07:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Grant Jeffrey is one of the hosts of Praise the Lord, an international tv series.He also is on a nationally syndicated radio show.California12 )1:16 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep many published books -- Astrokey44|talk 09:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, these religious tracts seem to be ten a penny, but a TV show is different. I wouldn't watch it if Satan was knocking on the door and it was my last chance to save my soul, but that's not a criterion for deletion. --Malthusian (talk) 10:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep over zealous afd approach here. Forget the Google hits issue that is not a sufficient test. His books are very influencial in the evengelical end of the church. By the way I don't agree personally with all he writes. Still keep. :: Kevinalewis : please contact me on my Talk Page : 10:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep This one seems to be notable: lots of books and a tv show. --Pierremenard 11:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as notable personality. Cyde Weys 2M-VOTE 16:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Cleanup to Remove Plagarism, and then this can be decided fairly. -Harvestdancer 17:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy keep as per Jason Gastrich, haphazard nomination. Hall Monitor 18:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep looks like a kook but even kooks can be notable. Mark K. Bilbo 19:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Delete This article was created by Jason Gastrich to promote his school as a mainstream institution. This is only one of around 10 articles he created promoting his religion/degree/school. See List_of_Louisiana_Baptist_University_people. --Q
- Keep Grant Jeffrey is quite well known around christian "end times prophesy" circles.--Tdl1060 21:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - Guettarda 03:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral at present, still looking for verifiable neutral information on this person (genuine authorities usually have degrees from real universities, no unaccredited ones). Article is now more neutral than it was, but in becoming more neutral it is also less compalling per WP:BIO - funny how often toning down a hagiography does that :-). If kept most of the books need to go, WP:ISNOT a directory. Just zis Guy, you know? /
AfD? 12:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep --badlydrawnjeff 14:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, after being absolutely sure that plagiarism issues are addressed. -Colin Kimbrell 21:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Another non-notable from our most prolific creator of articles on non-notables, Gastrich. FeloniousMonk 22:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
- Strong delete. Misplaced Pages is not here to promote obscure works by obscure authors. Unnotable. Fails to meet Misplaced Pages notability criteria. Arbustoo 03:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- On what grounds? Please describe which of the criteria he doesn't meet. --Jason Gastrich 21:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- An independent source that shows a publishing history of 5,000+. See discussion above. Also see Plagiarism discussion. Arbustoo 00:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- Keep It appears this is a legit author altho apparently a bit on the kooky side, but that is no reason to delete. --Censorwolf 21:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)--Censorwolf 21:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.