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	== ~~Section~~ on ~~Father~~ ~~Abraham~~ ?? ==		== Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2017 ==
			On second paragraph of "Smurfs" section, Sassette, Smart and a child who wears Farmer hat are not included in the 100 year old exceptions.] (]) 22:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|The Smurfs\|answered=yes}}
	I think there should be a section on the popular "Father Abraham and the Smurfs" records that were released in late '79 early '80 ? --] 12:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
			] (]) 01:12, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.<!-- Template:ESp --> <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">''']<sup>]'''</sup></span> 01:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

			== Snorks? ==

			There was a TV show with underwater creatures called Snorks who used the word "snork" as the Smurfs use "smurf".
	== Porno popups? ==
			My assumption is that the Snorks were a Smurfs copy. If anyone knows the real story and could add a small section, that would be helpful.
			Than you.
			four tildes <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:52, 16 June 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			: Of course it's a copy, or a tribute, I don't know, as the "schtroumpfs" are much older. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2019 ==
	Can someone using IE or another browser that shows unrequested pop-ups check whether any of the external links pop up porno banners, or something? An anon claimed that she saw something like that happening, but I haven't been able to reproduce it.--]]

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	== Communism? ==
			In the subject name, it is said that Smurf is a Dutch translation of the name for the Stroumpf.
			That is not exactly right. The word Smurf didn't exist in the Dutch language until then. ] (]) 20:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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			== Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2020 ==
	This article ought to include some treatment of the common allegation that the Smurfs were communists. See for a good example with some evidence. Personally, I don't believe that the Smurfs were intentionally designed by ] to be communists, but I do think that he held left-wing values which ended up being expressed in the Smurf world. I read all the original Smurf comics when I was a kid, and I distinctly remember that they explicitly disparaged money and greed. Also, the Smurfs were constantly exhorted to work for the good of the community, and many clearly moralistic plotlines involved one of the Smurfs shirking his duties and disaster resulting. --] 23:31, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

	== license of smurf logo ==
	Are we allowed to use the Smurf logo? Surely it must be trademarked/copyrighted to someone? -- ] 00:28, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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	== Story comments, for consideration and possible inclusion: ==
	-An episode of the cartoon show revealed that Gargamel's hatred for the Smurfs began when he suffered an accident while still a student of magic, and believed a Smurf had caused it. In reality, it was caused by his own older self, who had traveled back in time.

			== Smurf Economy = Communism ==
	-Smurfette was created by Gargamel, using a magic formula, as one of his traps for the Smurfs; originally, she was ugly and evil, but was later "purified" by Papa Smurf. Sassette was created by the "Kid Smurfs" using the same formula.

			The Smurf economy as currently described in the article is completely identical to communism. It even paraphrases ]. I feel this should probably be mentioned, and the article for communism should be added as a ] or ]. ] (]) 11:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
	-The show created many original characters, including Laconia, a fairy who had lost her voice, and had to communicate by sign language. Obviously, she was introduced to create awareness of deafness among children. -Wilfredo Martinez
			:What you have written there is a classical example of original research. The policy ] explicitly prohibits us from adding content to articles based on original research. If you can find a notable ] that says the same thing, it may make sense to include it. ] (]) 18:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

	== ~~Smurf~~ ~~Blue~~ ==		== Three apples high ==
	Smurfs are either blue because of skin pigmentation, blood color, or because they're little tiny ] (though I can't exactly see them drinking from the skulls of butterflies). If their blood is blue, they can't be using red hemoglobin. Since silver tarnishes bluish, my guess is that their blood is silver-based. This could make them valuable ingredients for Gargamel's magic, or to sell. (This train of thought was inspired by the question "what color does a Smurf turn when you choke it?") --]

			The article wrongly claims the Smurfs are "three apples high". They were probably described thusly in the original texts, but "three apples high" is a French idiom meaning "very small", and must not be taken literally. If you look at the comics, you can see the Smurfs are actually smaller than that.
	:''Since silver tarnishes bluish, my guess is that their blood is silver-based.''
	:No, ] and ] turn ], ] makes ] blood, see ].
	:''what color does a Smurf turn when you choke it''
	: Depriving a Smurf (and its blood) from oxygen will turn it and its blood colorless (]). ] 16:58, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

			:I have put it in quotes, as it is indeed not "our" official measurement, but a quote from the original comics (in French of course) and from the Smurf.com website (the reference after the statement). ] (]) 17:29, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
	== Smurf Emmys ==

			The Smurfs <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	''The Smurfs'' cartoon series one a number of Emmy awards. Would anyone like to help me compile a list of nominations and wins? :) --] 01:19, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

			== Shouldn't this article have some representative picture of a smurf? ==
	This is a common misperception (perhaps spun by NBC public relations)
	The Smurfs were nominated multiple times for Emmys, but they never won. - this correction is based on a search of the ].
	] 16:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

			Maybe a low-resolution comic panel or something? It should be fair use in this context. It seems weird that the only depictions of smurfs here are sculptures, when the subject is a long running comic book / animated video series. –] ] 04:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
	== what about the whole comics universe? ==

			:@] Yes, fair use surely allows us to have one image here. Feel free to ] and add one. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 00:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
	the smurfs universe extends way past just cartoons! there were dozens of bande desinees about smurfs! (see: ])

	== ~~Smurf~~ ~~war~~ ==		== Video game ==
	About the comment that a war broke out on whether "smurf" should be used as a verb or a noun. As I recall it, from a swedish translation of the comics, the war broke out due to an argument if smurf should be a replacement for the first or second compound of a word, i.e. if a "sledgehammer" should be a "sledgesmurfer" or a "smurfhammer" etc...

			I was cleaning the video game section and noticed that the game list on this page and on ] did not match (also why are we repeating thremcan anyone find any sources for the games or should we go and remove them ] (]) 22:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
	== The word Smurf ==

			:@] Finding sources shouldn't be that hard. Might be best to move all game content to a list so there's only one place listing them. Any that are notable and have reception etc. can be summarized back here. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 00:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
	Is the word "Smurf" originally english, dutch or scandinavian? It's found in english, dutch and swedish, but it's unlike french Schtroumpf or german Schlumpf... When I look at old comics, I find that dutch used the word in 1969, and Sweden in 1975, so I begin to think it's a dutch word?
	:I looked at the Dutch page, and it seems the word "Smurf" originally was Flemish.
	::As I've added to the page, 'Smurf' is originally the Dutch name for les Schtroumpfs. The first appearance of Smurf is exactly as old as the first appearance of Schtroumpf, as the French magazine Spirou and the Dutch translation Robbedoes appeared simultaneously (and still do, by the way). Flemish and Dutch are basically the same, certainly when written (I'm Flemish). ] 11:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

			== Proposal: merge individual Smurf albums into the ] ==
	== anti-seminist and communist ==

			I suggest merging most if not all Smurf albums into a single list, as I fear they fail ] (right now they seem to be very badly written, with no references, some are misisng infoboxes, and of course none have info on awards, reception,e tc. They are listed here: ]. Similar things have been done following ] to many Lucky Luck albums (]). See also test case of '']'', where after my talk request for sources (unanswered) and then a prod, it was redirected here by ]. I'll also ping participants of the mentioned AfD: ], ], ], ]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 00:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
	:There also have been allegations, correct or not, that the Smurfs were an allegory of ] and ]: the Smurfs, with their lack of any form of money, sharing of all goods and services, and their basic egalitarian ideals, are said to represent the ideal communist society, while their hated nemesis Gargamel, who plots to catch them and use them to turn base metals into gold, is said to represent capitalism at its worst.
			*'''Support''' such a merge as it's worked well so far with ''Lucky Luke''. —]]] 04:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
			*'''Support'''. While at least some of the early books are certainly notable (e.g. the Black/Purple Smurfs, but also the anti-fascist King Smurf, or ] about the Belgian language divide), they can always be recreated if and when someone is willing to write a decent article. Until then, a redirect to a list would be best (also for other series like Yoko Tsuno or Buck Danny or most European comics, though not Tintin obviously). ] (]) 07:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

			:*'''Support''' yes, definitely, excellent idea. As @] says that preserves page history should any be suitable for standalone articles down the line, and shows respect for the work on the original pages while making an article that's more suitable for Misplaced Pages =) ] (]) 07:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
	:Along the lines of allegations of the Smurfs being Communist were also claims about hidden anti-semitic propaganda in the show. According to believers of this notion, Gargamel was "dressed" to appear Jewish and his cat, Azrael, portrayed American Government as a puppet in the hands of the Jews. Azrael's name also sounds like "Israel", which adds a connotation.
			:*:@] @] @] I noticed, belatedly, we have ] which seems to be more or less the ] I suggest to be created. Quick question: should we move that article to the name I proposed? Should we do a ]? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 12:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
			:*::The ] disambiguator for comics series is pretty well-established by ], and the article does cover the series as a whole, so I am hesitant to move that page. We could either include prose list entries at the bottom of this article (and use in-page links to help readers jump down), or we could have just tables/line-item lists in this article and link to sections of the new article for the prose list entries. —]]] 16:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
			::PS. Having read that article I think it would be best to redirect my proposed list... article to ]. Then various albums currently failing GNG can be redirected there. How does that sound? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 12:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
			:::I would create the "List of ..." as a redirect to The Smurfs (comics) or a subsection, rather than moving the current article. It discussed the magazine publications, Marvel issues, and so on, which go beyond the simple "list of". And then also redirect the vast majority of the individual comics articles, without prejudice against recreating those that are notable and where someone will actually show this in the article. I would at first glance ''not'' redirect ], ], and perhaps ] and ] (some good sources but not a lot of content). The others, as they stand, have no reason to remain separate articles. ] (]) 12:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
			::::Fair. I've redirected the red link (list) for now. I'll be slowly redirecting the rest, time and will permitting, and I'll take a second look at the ones you mentioned. If you could find sources for any that you prefer to remain as articles, and good sources you are aware of are not present in the articles, mentioning said sources on talk and adding {{tl\|sources exist}} to the current article would be very helpful. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 00:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
			::::@] (Forgot to ping in reply) <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 00:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2023 ==
	I have removed these because I believe them to be original research. They can be restored if they are backed up. Saying "claims" and "allegations" doesnt cut it. Need specific names of people, publications and dates, or links to online citations. ] 01:30, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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	== "smurf" when he should have said "smurf" ??? ==
			There are actually 101 original Smurfs including Smurf Etter. Papa Smurf has 99 sons and 1 daughter. That’s 100, but Papa Smurf makes 101. ] (]) 00:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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			==MOS:MINORWORK==
	I'm confused. Is this a typo? ] 21:49, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
			Re . Please see ]: we need to use quotation marks for the titles of "Story lines that span multiple issues of a periodical". This paragraph is about a story line that spans multiple issues of a periodical. Same page says: "The convention of italicizing non-English words and phrases does not apply to proper names; thus, a title of a short non-English work simply receives quotation marks.". --] (]) 12:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

			:This is not just such a story line, this is a complete story from a notable series, intended to (and actually published as) a separate and important work, though with the title slightly altered. This is not some story line which doesn't exist as a separate work, this is a full comic album and later movie. ] (]) 12:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
	:No, it's real. It happened in a Smurf comic book, but I forget which one. Gargamel said something with "smurf" in it, and the reply he got was something like "It's smurf, not smurf, you idiot!". It was supposed to show that only real Smurfs know which "smurf" means what. ] — <font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font> \| ] 19:24, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
			::This paragraph is not about the separate work. The separate work, ''La Flûte à six Schtroumpfs'', is a comic album. "La Flûte à six trous" is a story (the article says that), not a comic album. "Minor" here just means that it is not a separate work in its original form. --] (]) 12:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::It's the exact same work. "all subsequent publications of the original story were retitled La Flûte à six Schtroumpfs ", the "album" is a "story" as well. It's not a minor work within a later album. It doesn't change from a minor to a major work just by getting one word in the title changed. ] (]) 12:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
			::::It does change from a minor work to a separate work when it becomes a separate work (published on its own—even if the content is exactly the same). ] is as explicit as it gets: we need to use quotation marks for the titles of "Story lines that span multiple issues of a periodical". --] (]) 15:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::::And as it has been published on its own, it is a separate work. ] (]) 08:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Yes, the very same storyline also exists as a separate work (published under a different name). But the article says, "In 1958, ''Spirou'' magazine started to publish the ''Johan et Pirlouit'' story..." In this context we are not talking about the separate work, we are talking about its non-separate version. --] (]) 13:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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			== Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024 ==
	::I don't know if it was Gargamel, but I remember that when ] first met the Smurfs, Peewit tried to communicate, but ended up using the wrong "Smurf" all the time. The language must contain very subtle nuances... =P

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	== "Schtroumpf" is an invented word. ==
			Please remove the errant ref tag in the following text in the "Motion pictures" section:
			{{quote\|
			A few more full-length Smurf films were made, most notably The Baby Smurf and Here are the Smurfs.'''</ref>''' created from episodes of the Hanna-Barbera television cartoon series.
			}} ] (]) 03:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> <code><nowiki>''']'''<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki></code> (]<nowiki>\|</nowiki>]) 03:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
			::Well that's certainly an interesting response. Let's try again --] (]) 04:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

			{{Done}} Because basic maintenance doesn't require sources.<span style="color:Purple">''' - '''</span>]<span style="color:Purple">'''. '''</span><sub>]</sub> 05:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
	Sorry, I don't quite understand this. The article says that "Schtroumpf" means "salt" and also that it is an invented word. So which is it?--] 19:04, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

			== Smurfs name in Slovak ==
	:You haven't understood the secion properly. " "Schtroumpf" is an invented word. According to an interview with Peyo, the word came to him as he asked a friend for salt during lunch and, struggling to find the word that eluded him finally managed to say "passe-moi le schtroumpf" (pass me the salt)". I.e. Peyo lost the word for salt, during a momentarily brain lapse, and just came up with a nonsense word while he was speaking. The real French translation for salt is "(le) sel", thus "passe-moi le sel", I don't know if the section needs rewriting.

			Smurfs name in Slovak is Šmolkovia, not Molkovia. ] (]) 08:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
	::Obviously, yes.

			== Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2024 ==
	== All this smurfy smurfing and no mention of Gargamel's cat? ==

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	Poor, poor kitty. Left out of the Misplaced Pages. ] would be rather ticked off to know he/she has been left out!
			the smurfs are called "šmolkovia" in slovak, not "molkovia" ] (]) 17:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
	I added the link there to the ]. OK, there's a line on ], but that's it.

			{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> — ] ] 21:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
	== Satanic smurfs? How crazy is too crazy for the wiki? ==

			== Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2024 ==
	I just happened to surf (or should I say smurf?) on this article while browsing through the wiki, and, well, I have to say that the part about "Satanic rumors" is just plain absurd. I know we're supposed to cover the weirdest viewpoints, but this is really pushing it. A bit like devoting a few paragraphs in the article about the ] to the question of where it is made out of ]... -- ] 20:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

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	::It was a real rumor. My sister was told at CCD that Papa Smurf used pentagrams and played checkers with wizards, ergo he was New Age therefore Satanic. She thought this was nuts and it was never stated by any priest we had. It did exist though.--] 16:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
			I want to edit this page ] (]) 12:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

			:] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 15:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

	::The fact that it was a real rumor makes it worthy of mention. It's part of the entire social impact that the Smurfs had. ] 20:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

	== Caption ==

	Regarding the caption for the illustration of Papa Smurf and Smurfette:
	:Papa Smurf Says, "They're All Pink Inside."
	Is that for real? It sounds kind of off-color to me. -- ] 21:55, 2005 July 19 (UTC)

	:It appeared to be vandalism. I've reverted it. Best, ] ] 21:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

	It's back, reverting now. Good fodder for BJAODN, though. ] 18:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


	== Smurfette Runs Pub ==

	Smurfette being the only female Smurf would be running a pub I know where mostly men show up, except the good looking female bartender manager.

	== Smurf Height ==

	Here is written they are 15cm tall. If you see the smurfs walking through Gargamel's house, standing next to Gargamel's feet, being hunted by his cat, standing next to other animals, they look MUCH shorter to me than 15cm. ] 10:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

	::Their height was very inconsistent, which is oddly consistent with the kind of fairy tale style they were going for. In tall tales and fairy tales characters become whatever heighth is needed for the story without any explanation. Hence they were described as three apples tall, and when needed they maybe were that tall, but much of the time they were as small as ten centimeters. Although they usually weren't smaller insects. Also a toon's world is not always the same in proportions.--] 08:26, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

	::The only apple that makes sense in measuring smurfs is the ], which is at most (according to the page) 4cm (in the wild), ~1.57", tall, making smurfs ~12cm (~4.7", 3x1.57") tall. -] 15:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

	== Music at Mother Nature's home ==
	From which classical piece is the melody, which is always heard, when the smurfs are at Mother Nature's house? ] 18:52, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

	=== Smurfs Music Video ===

	Visit it at ]. ] 09:37, November 25 2005 (Pacific)

	:That's just nonsense. I'm searching for the original theme at Mother Nature's home.

	== Do smurfs advocate safe sex? ==

	It's always been a running joke that smurfs advocate safe sex. (yknow... their caps).
	Maybe we shld include a tongue-in-cheek section about that.

	As long as we're along that line. Anyone has any idea how smurfs reproduce? I mean. There's only 1 female smurf...... baaaaaad cartoon.


	The Smurfs actually do advocate safe sex, a crwaing of a Smurf hat shaped condom has been used in a safesex campaign in Belgium. Apart from that, Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia and tnogue-in-cheek sections (and own research and so on) are not such a good idea, so I think it's better to leave it out of it. ] 12:03, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

	:Really, I read that in a ] once, but I thought that was just a silly joke. ] 23:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

	== antagonist names ==


	an editor added that "all antagonist names were jewish (such as) gargamel and azrael". a few antagonist names are not jewish as far as i can tell -- nemesis, agatha, clorohydress -- so the insertion is false. i don't know whether gargamel or azrael are, but i've removed the line until there's some evidence of this. ] 16:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

	== Klu Klux Klan ==

	Regarding this recentlyt added entry:

	:Internet rumours have started recently, following Peyo's death, that linked the creator to the ] and revealed several obvious ] images in the Smurfs cartoons. The most obvious is the fact that all Smurfs wear white, semi-pointed caps reminiscent of Klan headwear, and that the leader, Papa Smurf, wears a red cap, just like the Ku Klux Klan leader, the "]". All Smurfs have strictly defined jobs, and they all look the same, which is also reminiscent of Nazi ideologies. All antagonists have ] names, most notably Gargamel and his cat ]. One episode that is mentioned frequently as having racist undertones features a beetle that bites the Smurfs, thereby turning them black. All black Smurfs are automatically evil and are portrayed as inarticulate (they can only utter one word) and violently insane. The cartoons also often showed the Smurfs dancing around a fire just like certain ritualistic Klan dances, and speeches by Papa Smurf are greeted by extreme euphoria from the other Smurfs, reminiscent of Adolf Hitler's Nazi propaganda speeches.

	I'm not sure "Internet rumours" counts for ] purposes in looking at Original Research abd POV issues. If this is to be included a ] is recommended. --] 16:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2017

On second paragraph of "Smurfs" section, Sassette, Smart and a child who wears Farmer hat are not included in the 100 year old exceptions.Laranjatomate (talk) 22:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. HindWiki 01:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Snorks?

There was a TV show with underwater creatures called Snorks who used the word "snork" as the Smurfs use "smurf". My assumption is that the Snorks were a Smurfs copy. If anyone knows the real story and could add a small section, that would be helpful. Than you. four tildes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.207.235 (talk) 18:52, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Of course it's a copy, or a tribute, I don't know, as the "schtroumpfs" are much older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.51.235 (talk) 03:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2019

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In the subject name, it is said that Smurf is a Dutch translation of the name for the Stroumpf. That is not exactly right. The word Smurf didn't exist in the Dutch language until then. Reinrovers (talk) 20:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri 22:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2020

Smurf Economy = Communism

The Smurf economy as currently described in the article is completely identical to communism. It even paraphrases From each according to his ability to each according to his needs. I feel this should probably be mentioned, and the article for communism should be added as a Template:See_also or Template:Main. Crockett623 (talk) 11:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

What you have written there is a classical example of original research. The policy WP:NOR explicitly prohibits us from adding content to articles based on original research. If you can find a notable reliable source that says the same thing, it may make sense to include it. HiLo48 (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Three apples high

The article wrongly claims the Smurfs are "three apples high". They were probably described thusly in the original texts, but "three apples high" is a French idiom meaning "very small", and must not be taken literally. If you look at the comics, you can see the Smurfs are actually smaller than that.

I have put it in quotes, as it is indeed not "our" official measurement, but a quote from the original comics (in French of course) and from the Smurf.com website (the reference after the statement). Fram (talk) 17:29, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

The Smurfs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.249.86 (talk) 23:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article have some representative picture of a smurf?

Maybe a low-resolution comic panel or something? It should be fair use in this context. It seems weird that the only depictions of smurfs here are sculptures, when the subject is a long running comic book / animated video series. –jacobolus (t) 04:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jacobolus Yes, fair use surely allows us to have one image here. Feel free to WP:BEBOLD and add one. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Video game

I was cleaning the video game section and noticed that the game list on this page and on List of The Smurfs video games did not match (also why are we repeating thremcan anyone find any sources for the games or should we go and remove them Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 22:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Fanoflionking Finding sources shouldn't be that hard. Might be best to move all game content to a list so there's only one place listing them. Any that are notable and have reception etc. can be summarized back here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposal: merge individual Smurf albums into the List of The Smurfs albums

I suggest merging most if not all Smurf albums into a single list, as I fear they fail WP:GNG (right now they seem to be very badly written, with no references, some are misisng infoboxes, and of course none have info on awards, reception,e tc. They are listed here: Category:The Smurfs books. Similar things have been done following Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Les Collines noires to many Lucky Luck albums (List of Lucky Luke albums). See also test case of Les Schtroumpfs Joueurs, where after my talk request for sources (unanswered) and then a prod, it was redirected here by User:Kvng. I'll also ping participants of the mentioned AfD: User:Fram, User:BoomboxTestarossa, User:Siroxo, User:Sgeureka. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Support such a merge as it's worked well so far with Lucky Luke. —siro χ o 04:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Support. While at least some of the early books are certainly notable (e.g. the Black/Purple Smurfs, but also the anti-fascist King Smurf, or Schtroumpf Vert et Vert Schtroumpf about the Belgian language divide), they can always be recreated if and when someone is willing to write a decent article. Until then, a redirect to a list would be best (also for other series like Yoko Tsuno or Buck Danny or most European comics, though not Tintin obviously). Fram (talk) 07:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Support yes, definitely, excellent idea. As @Fram says that preserves page history should any be suitable for standalone articles down the line, and shows respect for the work on the original pages while making an article that's more suitable for Misplaced Pages =) BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 07:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
@BoomboxTestarossa @Fram @Siroxo I noticed, belatedly, we have The Smurfs (comics) which seems to be more or less the List of The Smurfs albums I suggest to be created. Quick question: should we move that article to the name I proposed? Should we do a WP:RM? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
The Example (comics) disambiguator for comics series is pretty well-established by WP:NCCDAB, and the article does cover the series as a whole, so I am hesitant to move that page. We could either include prose list entries at the bottom of this article (and use in-page links to help readers jump down), or we could have just tables/line-item lists in this article and link to sections of the new article for the prose list entries. —siro χ o 16:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

PS. Having read that article I think it would be best to redirect my proposed list... article to The_Smurfs_(comics)#Volumes. Then various albums currently failing GNG can be redirected there. How does that sound? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I would create the "List of ..." as a redirect to The Smurfs (comics) or a subsection, rather than moving the current article. It discussed the magazine publications, Marvel issues, and so on, which go beyond the simple "list of". And then also redirect the vast majority of the individual comics articles, without prejudice against recreating those that are notable and where someone will actually show this in the article. I would at first glance not redirect The Purple Smurfs, King Smurf, and perhaps The Smurfette and Schtroumpf Vert et Vert Schtroumpf (some good sources but not a lot of content). The others, as they stand, have no reason to remain separate articles. Fram (talk) 12:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Fair. I've redirected the red link (list) for now. I'll be slowly redirecting the rest, time and will permitting, and I'll take a second look at the ones you mentioned. If you could find sources for any that you prefer to remain as articles, and good sources you are aware of are not present in the articles, mentioning said sources on talk and adding {{sources exist}} to the current article would be very helpful. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fram (Forgot to ping in reply) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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There are actually 101 original Smurfs including Smurf Etter. Papa Smurf has 99 sons and 1 daughter. That’s 100, but Papa Smurf makes 101. 2601:18C:8282:8AA0:4C63:FAAE:705F:CC (talk) 00:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

MOS:MINORWORK

Re this. Please see MOS:MINORWORK: we need to use quotation marks for the titles of "Story lines that span multiple issues of a periodical". This paragraph is about a story line that spans multiple issues of a periodical. Same page says: "The convention of italicizing non-English words and phrases does not apply to proper names; thus, a title of a short non-English work simply receives quotation marks.". --Omnipaedista (talk) 12:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

This is not just such a story line, this is a complete story from a notable series, intended to (and actually published as) a separate and important work, though with the title slightly altered. This is not some story line which doesn't exist as a separate work, this is a full comic album and later movie. Fram (talk) 12:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

This paragraph is not about the separate work. The separate work, La Flûte à six Schtroumpfs, is a comic album. "La Flûte à six trous" is a story (the article says that), not a comic album. "Minor" here just means that it is not a separate work in its original form. --Omnipaedista (talk) 12:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It's the exact same work. "all subsequent publications of the original story were retitled La Flûte à six Schtroumpfs ", the "album" is a "story" as well. It's not a minor work within a later album. It doesn't change from a minor to a major work just by getting one word in the title changed. Fram (talk) 12:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It does change from a minor work to a separate work when it becomes a separate work (published on its own—even if the content is exactly the same). MOS:MINORWORK is as explicit as it gets: we need to use quotation marks for the titles of "Story lines that span multiple issues of a periodical". --Omnipaedista (talk) 15:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

And as it has been published on its own, it is a separate work. Fram (talk) 08:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the very same storyline also exists as a separate work (published under a different name). But the article says, "In 1958, Spirou magazine started to publish the Johan et Pirlouit story..." In this context we are not talking about the separate work, we are talking about its non-separate version. --Omnipaedista (talk) 13:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024

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Please remove the errant ref tag in the following text in the "Motion pictures" section:

A few more full-length Smurf films were made, most notably The Baby Smurf and Here are the Smurfs.</ref> created from episodes of the Hanna-Barbera television cartoon series.

76.14.122.5 (talk) 03:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ''']''' (talk|contribs) 03:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Well that's certainly an interesting response. Let's try again --76.14.122.5 (talk) 04:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Done Because basic maintenance doesn't require sources. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 05:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Smurfs name in Slovak

Smurfs name in Slovak is Šmolkovia, not Molkovia. Alík2002 (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2024

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the smurfs are called "šmolkovia" in slovak, not "molkovia" SMIESNAMACKA (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Done — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 21:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2024

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I want to edit this page Declan the cool guy (talk) 12:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Skynxnex (talk) 15:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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