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	Hi Jeff, my editing of the battle of Haifa 1948 was done to correct a few things that I had inserted before and was unaware that I could fix them by clicking edit.
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	All the materials that I have submitted are sitting at the USHMM in Washington D.C. which I donated copies of Mr. Jaques Bar's materials back on Nov 2000 along with the copies of the original plans that I still retain.

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	I was surprised that the material that was there is incomplete and misses the person who planned that action mainly due to the Labour Party in Israel that made up their own history which I thought would have been corrected long ago.
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	I do retain all copyrights for this material and put it in on May 31, 2010 after my first reading of your site which missed the whole situation and errs in too many ways to be allowed to remain as the factual history as well omits my father's work which from a military point of view needed a correction so that future generations understand the reality of what and why the action took place without which Israel would have never been created since the British Plans would have removed all to Cyprus.

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	The material for the battle of Haifa are sitting at the USHMM along with the plans and could be accessed there.

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	The unfortunate situation with this is that for years it was best to omit who etc. since Mr. Bar being in Soviet, Polish and Israeli military along with the Cold War made it best to keep quite since no benefits only problems were in store with such material.
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	Since Mr Jaques Bar was doing many of the underground activities against the British along with Israel's need to keep everyone not knowing who etc. the material was only placed with the USHMM 10 years after his death.

	You must understand that the people who created Israel militarily were apolitical and most left since they were simply ponds in the politics of the day.

	the material at the USHMM includes the IDF archives and Polish Archives with the Russians never having such since they made stuff according to their political needs.

	Thanks for your message, and I do understand you policies which require backup to which my material have tons of but there is/was much resistence including from 60 Minutes form Don Hewitt in 1990 who said to me " we never put out the original story about Israel, so we are not bound to correct it" making me see that truth is not a commodity here, only protecting ones friends.

	Joran (Yoram) Bar <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


	Jeff,

	The USHMM has materials which I tried to access today without success.

	People like Pat Buchanan, Mickael Kingsly and many others in the news business are aware of the material that was placed by me.

	Would like to get in touch with you via fax - so I could send you material you are seeking for veriability for the Battle of Haifa 1948 & Dnieper River Crossing 1941.

	Yoram Bar <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:You have some options for the information you wish to share. Typically, these include the following, in order from most free to least free:
	:#]: anyone can use it for any reason; you relinquish all rights.
	:#]: it can be used, but only with attribution (BY) and a link to the license. Some licenses (marked NC) prohibit commercial use (these can't be used by Wikimedia projects like Misplaced Pages). Some licenses (marked ND) prohibit derivative use (these can't be used by Wikimedia projects like Misplaced Pages). Some licenses (marked SA) provide require ShareAlike (SA), which is basically sharing under the same terms you received (these can be used by Wikimedia projects like Misplaced Pages).
	:#]: it can be used, but only with attribution and a full copy of the license. Slightly less free than CC-BY and CC-BY-SA because it requires a full copy of the license.
	:#Aggregators like USHMM. Anything you allow them to share becomes copyrighted by them as well per . You essentially transfer half of your rights to them. They say they can take it if you place information into the Public domain.
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	:You may try to email me on any public Wikimedia wiki, but (at least on this site) you have to login first per ]. You may also reach me on ] as "Jeff-G" (the closest I could get in a username, as I could not use space and dot).   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 21:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

	Jeff, would like to speak to you regarding including material re: Haifa & Dnieper River Crossing 1941

	joran.bar@gmail.com <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Jeff: I don't use the web to chat and mistakenly removed your request to chat since I didn't know who it was until later. Would prefer to talk on the phone which I could email that to you by sending me an email @ joran.bar@gmail.com <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:I re-sent the request.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 23:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

	== Could you help me make my post sound neutral to you ==

	I would just like the public to be made aware of important votes in congress I didn't express my own view I just pointed out what these congress persons did. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:23, 4 July 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:What is your view? Why was that vote so important? Why was that bill so important? What is your relationship (if any) to the subject of the bill, or to any congresspersons interested in the bill? Thanks!   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 06:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

	Jeff, I have spoken to a number of people and they were surprised at your call to delete the material since they are the facts from Mr. Jaques Bar who planned that battle as well as many others.

	For you to delete this without checking with the USHMM of the Israeli Govt makes me see that information that is here lacks anything except information that news agencies print with many being wrong since as per my quote from Don Hewitt who refused to do anything mainly due to his close friendships with people like Dayan.

	I will leave things for now and will re-edit the same information which is true - as well have written to CNN who know the reality with people like Larry King, Pat Buchanan, Mickael Kingsly, Anderson Cooper, Sandy Crawley and many more which for you should be simole to affirm since this material as stated before was not common knowledge primarily since MR. Bar didn't agree til 1988 to do something with it being close to death and the falling nof the Soviet Union.

	Would appreciate your rational since I do undrstand your need for comfirmation but this story is not some made-up stuff and comes from Top Secret material from that time.

	Joran.bar@gmail.com <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Jeff, just read your points on coy rights ... my rights with the USHMM are for any economic activity ... I am willing to share the material with respect to the Battle of Haifa since it brings forth a very different light on Israel's creation in 1948.

	How and what do you require to put that material on which would still retain the copy right shared with Misplaced Pages only.

	Yoram Bar <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Jeff, If I place some information which could be considered as Public Domain - my understanding is that only that information would be - if so I could limit what with only main things which whatever is not placed still being mine/USHMM.

	Is that correct? Secondly, I am not a writer and am not seeking to win a prize, only the facts and that's all.

	Yoram Bar <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Unfortunately, "Misplaced Pages only" would not work (the folks at ] would tell you the same thing), but you could place a summary of your copyrighted work on Misplaced Pages with one of the acceptable licenses above, and a pointer to the full text at USHMM or elsewhere and how to purchase that. I would imagine that some Israeli, Jewish-American, and Jewish-Canadian publishers might be interested in the full text and corroboration with the original materials.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 19:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

	== Youngest doctor article ==

	I see it's been recreated, with the argument that if something else exists this should. The article is probably no big deal, but we have the situation where ] passed AfD being seen as notable because of her coverage for being the youngest doctor. Except that she isn't now. There may be younger doctors in the future. Do we really want a series of youngest doctors, lawyers, etc? I'm almost tempted to take them both to AfD, but it might be a waste of time or just plain wrong. Advice? Thanks for chipping in on my talk page by the way even if the editor decided your comments were evidence that his article shouldn't have been deleted. ] (]) 07:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

	:Thanks for the note, but now having read the AfD, I have decided the article should be kept.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 04:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

	== Incorrect revert in ] ==

	I disagree with you made, which you accompanied by in the user's talk page, telling him he added content without citing a source.

	The edit was ''not'' adding any content; it was simply updating some totals based on an equation included in the comments of the page. Math does not require a source. Several of us who are maintaining the page are taking turns updating the totals every few days, and we would appreciate it if you didn't revert these updates.

	Thank you! ] (]) 13:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

	:Sorry about that. An appropriate Edit Summary would have been "recalculated based on http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/16/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html".   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 04:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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	I don't break 3RR but this user is actually a sock for ] as detailed in ] SPI case against the user. Thus contesting a sockpuppet's edits aren't in violation of 3RR as this user has already been indeffed. ] (]) 03:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

	:Sorry about that. I try to be evenhanded when giving out 3RR warnings. Thanks for your excellent work on that SPI case.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 01:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

	::No problems and thank you. I don't fault you however for the warning as it's not always easy to tell based on a page history who is at fault and who isn't which is why I try to avoid edit-warring but I'm hoping that reverting and semi-protecting pages will give the user the message that he is no longer welcome here. ] (]) 13:46, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

	== My warning ==

	I replied on my talk page. ] (]) 03:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

	:As did I.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 01:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
	::I replied again on my talk page. And thank you for the reply. ] (]) 23:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

	:::You're welcome.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 23:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

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	hi, i just got a message about altering the "metro station" page. i actually havent altered it or even looked at it before, just letting you know. Might be a glitch in the system. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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	== Nightwish discography ==

	Hi, can you vote ] please? Thank you. ] (]) 13:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

	:{{Done}}   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 23:55, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

	== Edit protection ==

	I requested semi-protection for the ] article. That should cut some of the silliness down. ] (]) 04:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

	:Thanks!   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 04:21, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

	== Hello ==

	Care to comment ? ] (]) 04:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

	:No longer necessary, already blocked, thanks for your report.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 04:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
	No problem. Take care. ] (]) 04:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

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	{{done}} added to Twinkle's arsenal. ] ] <sup>(])</sup> 06:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

	:Thanks!   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 20:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

	== Edit conflict ==
	Could you please clarify why an edit conflict would have resulted to a 'final warning'? ] (]) 03:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

	:You removed the language "is a requirement of the ], ]. Article 23 requires the ] to enact laws prohibiting any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the ] of the ]." without explanation, about 13 hours after receiving , and without specifying that your edit was the result of an edit conflict.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 03:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

	== Reverting my edits ==
	Please review your definion of what vandalism is per ]. My edits to ] are not vandalism. I am was reverting a bot incorrectly reverted my edits. What I am doing there is removing deleted/missing images and getting rid of the cruft that is non-encyclopedic and was placed there as an attempt to promote the school. ] (]) 04:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

	:Please indicate why you are removing content in your ]. Thank you.   — <font size="4">] ]</font> 04:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
	::If you actually take a look at my edit, you will see that I did exactly that. But because I recently changed accounts (I am ], see ] for details) Cluebots AI made a mistake and reverted my edit, I reverted the false positive and you then re-reverted it without bothering to take a look at the whole picture. When using huggle be careful. ] (]) 04:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Jeff G.,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Jeff G.,

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Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

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Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

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