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== Hmong Insurgency ==
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Accused of Genocide through link of http://www.nnn.se/n-model/foreign/hmong.htm there is no conflict between the Hmong people and the Laos communist government. It has been the Hmong people who have plotted coups and other violent revolutions but everything has been disrupted. No conflict is occuring in Laos. "Many of the reports on the Hmong inside Laos suggest that the government is engaged in an ethnically inspired campaign of discrimination against them. In fact, the Lao constitution and laws are more tolerant towards minorities than many of its neighbours. More tolerant than Thailand, for example.<ref/http://www.nnn.se/n-model/foreign/hmong.htm /ref> " <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Wikidata list of ongoing conflicts ==

The following automatically generated list shows conflics that have start dates but no end date in ]. It is updated every 60s day. It might be useful in keeping this article up to date. The content of the table affects wikidata based infoboxes used in Misplaced Pages articles about wars on other Misplaced Pages versions, for example ] used in Swedish Misplaced Pages. Please help by fixing any errors in the wikidata objects.
== Free Papua Movement|Organisasi Papua Merdeka ==

{{Wikidata list|sparql=# List of ongoing military conflicts
There is no evidence that a organized independence movement is proceeding in Western Papua province of Indonesia. In the year 2009, 8 people including a suspected gunman who claimed to be a seperatist were killed in several reported news stories but until this year there was little or no reported evidence of anything remotely entertaining a conflict <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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{ ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q350604. } # Instace of armed conclict
== Operations of ETA]]==
UNION { ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q198. } # War

UNION { ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q8465. } # Civil war
ETA is a terrorist organization it is not a conflict as no ongoing conflict has a terrorist organization but actual para-military or guerrila units. All incidents from ETA should be in terrorist incidents. Not an ongoing conflict.
UNION { ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q1168287. } # Intervention

?item wdt:P580 ?itemstarttime. # With start date
== Eritean civil-war ==
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FILTER((0 <= ?distance) && (?distance < 36500 )) # Started less than 100 years ago

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There is no evidence as there is no reporting from Eritea that a conflict is ongoing. They are definitely a player in the Somali civil-war but it does not appear that any home-grown military force is attacking the Eritrean military, government or people.(] (]) 18:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC))
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==The Second Congo War==
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This should be put back in the ongoing conflicts to emphasize that it continues today. Especially important is the cummulative deaths of 5+ million. The Second Congo War article makes it clear that it continues. The Kivu conflict is the continuation and not an independent conflict.] (]) 17:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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* Add Basque Country/Spain to the map, with ongoing campaing of terrorism and multiple casualties; Remove Northern Ireland, most militant groups have disbanded. ] (]) 17:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
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* Just to let you know, conflict in Peru actually it is in the region of two valleys in the jungle, as soon as I get the geographical info, I will updadate the map. regards. ] (]) 15:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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== Israel-Palestine conflict ==
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How on earth was the figure of 0.5-1 million dead achieved? Most wars (with the casualty count on Misplaced Pages) were far from reaching even 50,000 dead. The only reasonable way I can see this occurring is for someone to include the ]. I've seen a source, but I imagine it might count as opinionated, putting the Arab casualties of all the wars and some minor operations Israel has participated in at 60,000, I doubt Israeli casualties make up the other 0.94 million. ] (]) 21:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
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Sorry but i dont understand how this conflict can be described as a minor one. Yes there are little civilian losses these days on the Israeli side but the people of Palestine are still living under an illegal occupation and the suffering of Palestinians is one of the top causes of radical islamic extremism around the world. This conflit has been ongoing for over 40 years and helped make the region so unstable. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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The death toll of 120,000 includes mianly the casualties from the wars between israel and syria, Egypt, jorden, lebanon and other non-bordering arab countries and not only palestinians
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:I suggest changing the "Start of conflict" date for 1964 (Establishment of PLO) or 1948 (Establishment of Israel) or ]] (]) 00:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
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::Done. I also made changed the "major wars" section to make it clear this is for conflicts which are ''currently'' causing 1000+ violent deaths per year. Hopefully that will avoid major vs. minor arguments in the future. -- ] (]) 16:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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I don't see any combat going on in the so-called "Arab-Israeli Conflict", how can it "currently" be making 1000+ violent deaths? The term itself does not describe a single conflict but rather a number of wars involving Israel, the last of which practically ended in January 2009. Should this really be included? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
! No of deaths
:This article faces the philosophical problem of ]. If North Korea invaded South Korea tomorrow, would that be the same war as the Korean War? Is the war in Afghanistan the same as the war in Pakistan? I think there is a valid argument to make that the conflicts between Arabs and Jews / Israelis since 1920 have all been due to a consistent set of underlying disagreements and can be meaningfully grouped together as a single conflict, which the Misplaced Pages article ] does. The article says that the conflict is ongoing, which makes sense, as the underlying issues haven't been resolved, and while we can hope that there won't be 1000 violent deaths this year caused by it, I think it is a little premature to say that there won't. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== The map needs to be altered ==
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First of all, as is widely known Northern Ireland should not be included. The Provisional IRA has put it's weapons beyond use and officially abandoned violence as of 2006. Even according to international observers.
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The loyalist paramilitaries (Ulster Volunteer Force, Ulster Defence Association and Loyalist Volunteer Force) still have their guns, but they have largely refrained from the sectarian murders of Catholics that defined their tactics during The Troubles. Most agree that their main activities now include drug trafficking and extortion.
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The only real terrorist threats come from a handful of small, dissident Republican paramilitaries that have refused to recognize the Good Friday Agreement. These movements have virtually no support from the Nationalist/Republican community. They have engaged in recent violence, but have killed very few people, the only massive attack being the Omagh bombings of 1998.
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It can hardly be called a war any longer, low scale or intense. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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There isn't any ongoing conflict listed on this page in spain. ] (]) 21:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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== short list? ==
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This is sort of a joke if those are all the conflicts that are listed. Off the top of my head I can think of a dozen more ongoing conflicts.
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Not to mention the article doesn't even define what a conflict is. More than 10 people killed a year? 1000 throughout the conflict's history? A series of car bombings without casualties? We need to define it: there are set academic definitions of "wars", "low intensity conflicts", "conflicts", and "political violence" that need to be adhered to. I would offer them up, but don't want to dig through my papers from grad school. I'm sure they are available online.
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Moreover, I don't have time to edit this or I would rewrite the whole article. For the layperson who may edit this in the future (if I don't get to it first), here is a good reference for starters:
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http://www.goalsforamericans.org/gallery/d/35-14/atf_world_conf_map.pdf <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:If you can think of dozens of the top of your head please mention them, I personally can't think of any.] (]) 15:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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::The PDF is produced by PIOOM, but is for 2001-02, and I can't find an updated map. They have three categories:
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::PIOOM also has a detailed comparison of similar lists, most of which are not nearly as comprehensive as their own. One of these is from the , which has a and says a 2007 update is pending. These sources would be good to sort through to find the most common definitions and to see if Misplaced Pages is missing any notable conflicts. -- ] (]) 06:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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The list should only include wars between a country and some insurgency or another country. Domestic terrorists are mostly controlled by the nations police force or military police. Those should not be added to the list. If that was so every country would be colored. The list seems to be fairly accurate when looking at both Major war and then Major Conflicts. Also lists of Peru etc... are mostly dead and are minor things that are no longer controlled by military force. I think an interesting one is Palestine-Isreal since they have recently agreed to cease fire. Also, the civil war in Palestine has also ceased. A lot of interesting changes lately. Another thing to look at is the Somalian pirates and the recent attacks India has made on them. I would like to see if there might be some sort of Northern Somalia - Indian conflict. Can Somalian separatists spread themselves that thin? ] (]) 22:10, 19 November 2008
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Agreed, can't really count individual domestic terrorists as conflict, but definiteions would be good. If we were to include Violend Political Conflicts on the map as defined above, that would probably make the map look extremely red. Or yellow, or whatever color we happened to choose. However, a couple things:
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Mexican Drug War missing? Peru missing? Northern Ireland still red?!? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Definition of "major war" ==
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For some reason, the 1000 fatalities per year definition was removed, in favor of something like "the threshold varies depending on the discussion, but here are some that usually pass" which is incredibly vague. A numerical threshold attributed to a reasonable authority makes deciding on inclusion a lot easier, and makes the list more neutral. -- ] (]) 06:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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== Non-Current Conflicts ==
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Of the listed major conflicts, the ] and the ] have been stated on their respective articles to have been effectively concluded while still being listed as ongoing conflicts. This produces a discrepancy which should be resolved. Something has to change either on this article or theirs - we cannot have them contradict each other. As a reminder, official ceasefires are simply documents, but we should looking for ''effective'' conclusion of hostilities, not official declarations.
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I believe we can agree the South Ossetian War is more or less done and over with, and should be considered for removal from the list. However, the article on the Second Congo War speaks of ongoing hostilities in direct relation to the war, implying that it is at least still ongoing, if not major, rather than having ended in July 2003 as the article's infobox states. Furthermore, the ] came about in the wake of the Second Congo War, so perhaps it is logical to consider the former as a subset of the larger Second Congo War, hence rendering the Second Congo War current. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 01:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
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Zimbabwe Conflict
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The Zimbabwe conflict is not a conflict at all. A poster has put a link indicating that 12 to 20 people are missing after having gone to a Botswana training camp (unproven as well). Many people go missing in Zimbabwe. If the poster wants to do like Kenya and post post-election conflict in Zimbabwe March 2008 - November 2008 and the hundreds that died with proof that they died then go ahead.
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|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'| ]
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'| ]
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q29242'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 1989-11-10
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q65070966'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2015-11-11
|class='wd_p1120'| 1547
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q3119132'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 1947-10-22
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q632787'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2002-04-11
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q61126993'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p580'| 2013
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q47015896'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2003-03-20
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q23198510'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2012
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q86831539'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2011-02-15
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q3241199'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p580'| 20th century
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| '']''<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q151622'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 1948-05-14
|class='wd_p1120'| 140500
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'| ]
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q89035147'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2015-08-23
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| '']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>'']''
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q2652686'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 1961-02-05
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q1413732'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'| ]
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p580'| 1947-10-22
|class='wd_p1120'| 47000
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q327237'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2004
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q619749'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 1978-11
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q18702324'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2011-02-15
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| '']''<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q303801'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 1987
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q2946372'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2012-01-16
|class='wd_p1120'| 7000
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q110613097'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2021-05-05
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q852088'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 1948-04-02
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q16954835'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 1988
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q110665625'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2020-09-08
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q85792714'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2016
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q110999040'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p17'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>'']''
|class='wd_p580'| 2022-02-24
|class='wd_p1120'| 42295<br/>10000
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'| '']''
|class='wd_p828'| '']''<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]
|class='wd_p155'| ]
|class='wd_p793'| '']''<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q15860072'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p17'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p580'| 2014-02-20
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'| ]<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>]
|class='wd_p155'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p793'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>'']''
|class='wd_p1542'| ]<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q243620'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 1991-01-26
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q1052332'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2009-01-31
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'| ]
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q1094356'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2004-01-04
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q1795374'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2011-05-11
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q178810'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2011-03-15
|class='wd_p1120'| 570000
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'| ]
|class='wd_p828'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'| ]<br/>]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>'']''<br/>'']''<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q121160319'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'| ]
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2023
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q66474138'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p580'| 2018-01
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q190758'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2003-02-26
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'| ]
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q16335075'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2014-04-06
|class='wd_p1120'| 13300<br/>3375
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]<br/>]<br/>'']''
|class='wd_p1478'| ]<br/>]<br/>'']''<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p828'| '']''
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q117716414'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2023-04-15
|class='wd_p1120'| 413
|class='wd_p1339'| 3000
|class='wd_p31'| '']''<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'| ]
|- class='wd_q115177203'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2018-01-27
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'|
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'|
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q185729'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'|
|class='wd_p17'|
|class='wd_p580'| 2001-09-11
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'| ]<br/>]<br/>]
|class='wd_p828'|
|class='wd_p155'|
|class='wd_p793'|
|class='wd_p527'| ]
|class='wd_p1542'|
|class='wd_p18'|
|- class='wd_q19686631'
| ]
|class='wd_label'| ]
|class='wd_p131'|
|class='wd_p276'| ]<br/>]
|class='wd_p17'| ]
|class='wd_p580'| 2014-09-16
|class='wd_p1120'|
|class='wd_p1339'|
|class='wd_p31'| ]
|class='wd_p1478'| ]
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==Inaccurate and tendentious categorisation of Israel-Hamas war==
Trans-African Inititive
The transafrican inititive concerns about anti-terrorism. It lists no operations, or battles, or deaths and rails against the U.S for starting the inititive. We already have the insurgency of the maghred that includes Algeria, Maurtanian and Morrocco. We do not need anti-u.s rhetoric in the list of wars. Find another article.


Grouping all of the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948 as one conflict is self-evidently non-factual, tendentious and deliberately intended to inflate the total casualty count (which itself is highly dubious; hundreds of thousands!? Add up the casualties in the 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and then other conflicts does not come close to 300,000). The total Arab casualties in all of the wars of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Arab-Israeli conflict article is around 90,000. If you're actually saying Israel is a "belligerent in the Yemeni civil war", and then adding all of the deaths from that conflict (given Israel has not struck back at all and is not at war with Yemen or Houthis, and has not caused any deaths in Yemen) is so obviously biased, as is calling Israel a "belligerent" in what are, in fact, unlawful terror attacks by a non-state actor.
I don't know how to do a signature here so sorry User:Idontknowhowtodothissorry ''-- 2 May 2024 2a02:6b6d:1338:0:fd31:8c17:3cf2:3a56''


Thai-Cambodian Conflict
I have no problem n posting about the Thai-Camobodian conflict that killed an estimated 5 people. However, since the Djoutbi-Eritea border clash has not been posted which killed over 100+ people I do not think this needs to be posted in wars and needs to be in its own list of list of border skirmishes <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Total Casualties for 2023 and 2024 of Israel-Gaza and Israel-Lebanon War double counts casualties again==
== stupidity or else? ==


Someone removed from the map a major war, Mexico, and a minor, Peru and added Zimbabwe, Botswana and Libya, why?--] (]) 20:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


According to the UN impact report, the total casualties of the Israel Gaza war are 45,000 for both years. Casualties for Lebanon total 3,000. Therefore a total equaling 53,000 to 63,000 over counts casualties by 5,000-15,000.
==?==
Is the above diff meant seriously, i.e. is the scope of the article such that we include fiction, because everything else seems non-fiction, reality based? No? Sincerely, --]<sup>'']''</sup> 22:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


2023 casualties should be 22,000 or so, and 2024 should be 26,000.
:Obvious nonsense/vandalism. This is clearly an article about real-world events. --] (]) 22:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-17-december-2024
::That's what I thought, but I wanted to seek someone else's opinion in the off chance the edit was made in good faith. I don't want to call anyone out during the holidays and all unless it is certain. Best, --]<sup>'']''</sup> 22:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


https://apnews.com/article/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-death-toll-798b846237a24ed37490ea29bd4e3aba <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Mmmm it seems that nobody had thought about an article for this kind of ''conflicts'' because I found out that somebody has just started the article ] a few days ago, maybe that's what you are looking for. EOZyo (]) 04:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


== Separation of major wars ==


Note that the Upsala Conflict Database--cited by the wikipedia page here as a source--actually concurs with the lower numbers I mentioned.
I thought it was a good idea to have the major wars sorted out, as in , before . The reason for the revision was "''Why is the American intervention portion of the Somali civil War considered as a major conflict, massive revision''". We probably need a better reason for such action. Indeed, treating all conflicts as equally devastating may be just as wrong. And actually, that United Nations definition of major war was actually the best definition we had in this article. It may not be completely without controversy, and there may always be arguments for what conflicts fill the criteria for it, but after all, we have the same problem for every conflict on the list. So what we have to to is either to reintroduce the ''1000+ deaths per year''-section, or we delete the whole article, since the same arguments for deleting that section applies for the whole article as well. However, I strongly favor having that section than deleting all of it. ] (]) 08:56, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


In other words, by both the official UN sources AND the *sources cited* the casualties listed as incorrect. We could perhaps chalk this up to the page editor not clicking the dis-aggregated view of the data, but given the frequency of tendentious casualty reporting on this subject, where, for example, 50,000 casualties from the Lebanon War are attributed to Israel despite them occurring before Israel entered the war--which, again, is what the sources cited themselves indicated--I am skeptical.
:I reinserted it now. I used the conflicts that were in the list before (). Still, the image needs some update, so I suggest doing that as soon as we have sorted out how the article itself should look. ] (]) 17:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


https://ucdp.uu.se/year/2023
== LOL ==


It also seems that this database was incorrectly cited, as indicating casualties rather than attacks
I think all of there wars should classify as a world war so we might be in world war 3, i do not know? ] (]) 20:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
https://acleddata.com/2024/10/10/israels-gaza-middle-east-a-year-in-numbers/


As their own casualty estimate is " This brought the total fatality toll of Palestinians killed since 7 October 2023 to more than 45,000. While the IDF pressed on with a grinding war in Gaza, the intensity of its operations decreased as Israel gained greater operational control over the Gaza Strip. Israeli forces targeted all five governorates of Gaza, but the highest number of attacks hit Gaza City and Dayr al-Balah. "
== Image needs updating ==


This means literally every source cited contradicts the number presented!
If anyone can, the image used for this page needs updating in accordance with the lists provided. -]] 05:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


Please change the estimates to their correct numbers of 22,000 and 26,000.
:The image still doesn't show Israel and Palestine as conflict zones. ] (]) 20:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


==Prior Double Counting Not Addressed, Current Double Counting Only Worsens the Issue--Official & NGO Estimates put total casualties of IP conflict at about 50,000 smaller, at minimum==
== Revolution in Guadeloupe? ==


Note that even if we use the absurd elevated estimates given producing a 65,000 casualty count, when added to official indices the total for the entire 160 year Zionist Arab conflict is still 190,000. This means even with the inflated estimates provided, the total provided is off by at least 50,000.
] keeps reintroducing an unsourced claim of a recent revolution in ], with a single casualty. Does anyone have a source for this, or should it be removed? I've removed it as unsourced twice now, and I'm unwilling to get into a protracted edit war. Thoughts? ] (]) 10:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/ink/israel/findex.htm
== Nagaland conflict ==


https://olive-merralee-23.tiiny.site/
Number of casualties of Nagaland conflict is probably false as the citation is about Kashmir conflict. Also the state of this conflict is unclear as some sources, including the Misplaced Pages page about Kukis, says that the conflict is over. However, I could not find any authoritative source, just some blogs. Does anyone know what is the current status of the conflict? ] (]) 00:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:Can anyone find anything that this are still current conflicts? this site: http://www.adh-geneva.ch/RULAC/current_conflict.php?id_state=107 talks about the peace talks and the non-violence since 2007. The Kashmir above has seen no conflict in years, and lastly the Maoist, besides some protests (hijacked plane with no killings) there has been hardly any conflict in over 2 years also. ] (]) 00:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm
== United States is at war, isn't it? ==


https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict
Why is the US not listed as "at war" when Iraq clearly is listed. The fighting isn't taking place in US, but it is the US that is fighting, right? The US _started_ that war (see ]), but isn't listed. Can someone explain the rationale behind this? Maybe the same could be said for the UK? ] (]) 21:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


Adding together each:
If you read it clearly says LOCATION. As you just pointed out it isn't happening in US so simply there is no war LOCATED in US. This shows LOCATION and not countries involved ] (]) 04:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
1. Misplaced Pages page estimates of wars
2. The Uppsala data base of casualties
3. The relevant UN reports
4. Israeli Human Rights Groups reports
5. The Wars of the World Database
6. The Palestine Human Rights Monitor Group Estimates
7. The Battlefield Inequality Database cited by the wikipedia page
8. Israeli and US official estimates of casualties


Each produces estimates that range from 120,000-210,000 for the period of 1860-2024.
== Korean War ==
Since ROK is technically at war with DPRK since 1950, shouldn't that be listed? There was never a peace agreement, just a fragile cease-fire. It could be noted somewhere of a situation


As stated, even adding the higher estimate of the double counted data for 2023 to 2024 to the prior data gives us a casualty estimate that is 50,000 smaller than the one stated.
- You're entirely correct. I'm adding it. ] (]) 08:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


Please correct the total casualty estimate of 242,000-246,000, since the minimum is much lower and the maximum is 210,000.
== Remove Turkey-PKK Conflict ==


An average estimate of 171,000 would be most in line with the sources. But even stating it as 195,000 which 'compromises' by allowing some double counting and inflation for the sake of rhetorical peace, would be much more accurate than the current statement.
It's absolute nonsense how Northern Ireland or Catalonia isn't listed and Turkey is. The conflict between PKK and the government is nothing more than sporadic terrorist attacks or ambushes. It's just terrorist activity, and as a previous user stated, if we were to add terrorist attacks, every country would be listed. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Perhaps then list it as 195,000 (171,000-210,000), since this uses the mean as the floor, while keeping the real ceiling. This allows for some arbitrary biasing upward, as a compromise between the truth and the wikipedia editors who, for whatever their reasons, want to use the incorrect estimates. This, at the very least would reduce the error rate from 42% to 14% at the lower end, and 50% to 25% at the higher end. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I would also suggest that Insurgency in the Maghreb be removed also. Both seem like spread out terrorist attacks over an extended time and not an ongoing conflict. Over a year and a half in the maghreb there has hardly been any considerable conflict to consider it an "ongoing war". ]


==Double Counting of Casualties in Israel Palestine Conflict--Casualty Rate Should Read 165,000 (110,000-210,000)==
This is a war which has costed over 40,000 lives. More Turkish soldiers are killed every month by the PKK, than American soldiers are killed in Iraq. As for why, Northern Ireland isn't listed, the war there has ended, they made a peace treaty, something which hasn't happened in Turkey yet. Now you (Gnaaye) migth be a Turk, but that doesn't mean the whole of wikipedia has to conceal facts and lie to make your country look "peacefull". This is by no meens "spread out terrorist attacks", there are gunbattles weekly which kill several people every time. Mines kill soldiers daily. I'm re-adding this conflict, which is much more of a war than many which are listed here.] (]) 20:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


The table links to a source that includes in its casualty list deaths from the Israel Palestine conflict, but to get the final number the editors added those to the previous number thus double counting them. What's more, the source itself already double counts casualties because it includes dead from the 1947-1949 war twice.
Here are just some examples of what's happening there, all from this month:
,, , , .] (]) 20:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


But, on top of this, the source is confusing but is incorrectly cited. It lists conflicts with parties to them, not the casualties caused by them. Comparing the source to the pages for each of the conflicts in question produces much smaller estimates. For example, read incorrectly, the linked source suggests that some ~58,000 (60,000 across conflicts) people have died in wars between Israel and Lebanon, when even the highest Lebanese estimates are 20,000. Estimates range from 13,000-15,000 at the lower end, and 18,000-34,000 at the higher end (and that's with double counting in civilian and combatant casualties as it is !). This means that EVEN WITH THE SOURCES IN QUESTION, THE CASUALTY RATE OF THE CONFLICT IS AT MINIMUM 24,000 SMALLER, and up to 45,000!.
== Should this conflict be put on? ==


When we account for the double counting, this results in a reduction of 14,000-27,000--so the numbers are 38,000-72,000 smaller.
This one is still ongoing. ] ] (]) 17:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


Adding up the casualty estimates provided on the wikipedia pages for each conflict, before adding the Israel-Palestine numbers gets us a range of 57-115. The Israel Palestine conflict page lists 53-65. Except, more than half of these are already included in the previous estimate. HOWEVER, even if we do not account for this we get a range of 110-168,000. Now if we add the recent Gaza war-which, again would be double counting in part--we would add 43,000.
== Please Remove Sri Lanka labled as "Ongoing War" ==


This means that even if we triple count Palestinian casualties listed on the wikipedia pages, our total rises to 153,--210,000--and EVEN THAT includes deaths not caused by Israel, double counts many victims, counts missing as dead, and so on.
I saw somebody removed Sri Lanka from Ongoing war list ,but again user : Andrewlp1991 or Nwe revert it back.
I would like consider here WikiPedia is 💕 and will respect the Democracy.


Even if we add Israelis killed in terrorism and riots (5-15,000 depending on how we count), Palestinians killed in intra-Palestinian violence (2000), The war of the camps between Lebanon and the PLO (4500--6500) and deaths in Black September between Jordan and Palestine (4000 in official estimates, but Arafat claims 15,000 Palestinians killed by Jordan, which would put the total at 16,000) we would get 15-40,000 more deaths and that would put our total at 168-250,000.
Sri Lanka Government Gazette and made statement in parliament the War has End.


While the latter estimate is larger than the one listed on the page, this one includes 25,000 Palestinians killed by Lebanese, Jordanian, and Palestinian forces, it double counts a portion of Israeli terror victims (soldiers who died in terror attacks are listed in both war and civilian casualty estimates, and thus over state the estimates), while taking the higher estimate of those dead--thus increasing the estimate by up to 30,000.
wiped out officially 17-May-2009 .


It double counts the dead prior to 1948, it double counts the dead in the 47-49 war, it triple counts Palestinian casualties in wars since the first intifada, it counts all those who have died in Lebanese wars, even those who were not killed by Israel (indeed including even those who died in wars before Israel even got involved!), it takes the higher estimates of dead in every conflict, even where US, & Israel estimates VASTLY lower, UN estimates are much lower, and independent Arab state & Human Rights organization estimates are somewhat lower.
It is up to anybody to admit it or not. anyway there is no war in Sri Lanka and no humanitarian catastrophe like in Afganistan or Iraq .
] (]) 00:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


The double and triple counting adds 35,000-80,000 deaths. Taking the highest estimates adds 57,000.
Simply because the government declares the Tigers defeated does not mean it is over. And with regards to your comparison to Iraq and Afghanistan, regardless of its extremely dubious accuracy, Afghanistan and Iraq are also on the list. --] (]) 23:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


Notably, adding together the total casualties from more reliable sources gets us 122,000 before the recent war, and then 43,000 for the recent war, bringing us to 165,000!
== Philippines wrongly marked ==


Notice, this brings us a very similar estimate to taking the lower estimate from all the respective wikipedia pages for each of the episodes of the Israel Palestine conflict.
The Philippines, according to the image File:Ongoing_conflicts.svg, states that roughly 2/3 of the country is on a conflict. Why is it so? The only real conflict happening here right now is on the southern part, not the whole of it. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Since independent sourcing leads to a similar estimate to the one produced by using other wikipedia sources at the lower end, this is a good indicator it is of reliability, especially since getting the higher estimates requires that up to 14% (35/250) - 40% (80/193) of the casualties attributed are Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Jordanians killed by other Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians, and it requires taking the higher estimate in every case, which accounts for 23% (57/250) -- 50% (58/115) of the deaths. If 55% of a casualty estimate ((57+80)/250) depends on attributing deaths of people killed by other states, and taking the higher estimate of casualties in every single case, chances are the estimate is off!
===Peru===
It's marked as, "other conflict" and I remember reading an artical about tribemen attacking policemen, but there is no reference to it on the page, if it aint an ongoing conflict the map is wrong. The page needs an edit anyway <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Thus, the page here:
== Arab-Israeli conflict: 1000+ deaths/year??? ==
1. incorrectly cites a source
2. misrepresents that sources claims
3. cites a source which itself engages in double counting and unclear attribution
4. does not line up with the other wikipedia pages' conflict estimates or those of their sources *EVEN AT THEIR HIGHER END*
5. to be true requires an estimate that requires 14-40% of the deaths be those caused by other states, and 23-50% of the casualty estimates are due to taking the higher range of each estimate, with a combined effect that 55% of casualties are tendentiously attributed
6. does not line up with independent sourcing


Meanwhile, another estimate (165,000), which:
I thought the death toll was far below this, in the low hundreds maybe.
1. Uses independent sources
2. Minimizes double counting
3. Only attributes deaths caused by Israel
4. Lines up with the lower estimates of the relevant wikipedia pages and their sources
5. Is self consistent
6. Strikes a moderate balance between the estimates of US, Israel, UN, Arab League, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, academics and so on
7. Lines up with the cited source for this wikipedia page *IF* considerations are taken to interpret it correctly (which would give us a base of 114-159,000, to which we would add the 43,000 of the recent war, giving us 157,000--210,000


Thus, the estimate of 165,000 lines up with the:
] (]) 16:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)N
1. Other wikipedia pages
2. Their sources
3. Independent sources
4. The *VERY SOURCE USED FOR THIS PAGE* if properly interpreted


THUS EVEN BY THE STANDARDS OF THE SOURCES CITED THE ESTIMATE GIVEN ON THE PAGE IS INFLATED BY 50%! A FULL THIRD OF THE CASUALTIES LISTED ARE IMPROPERLY ATTRIBUTED OR COMPLETELY FABRICATED !
:The majority of deaths stem from the ], ], ], the ], and the ]. All of these wars occurred over a period of less than 2.4 years and led to about 90% (70-90k) of all confirmed-fatalities in the Arab-Israeli conflict.


This does not require using Israeli or US estimates (which are *lower* than the 165,000 estimate!). In fact, it holds even if we use the estimates of Arab states (the highest ones--which would produce at the highest 210,000 as above), human rights organizations (the second highest), or scholarly academic sources (those in the median range).
:For scale and comparison, the Syrian's killed ] in 24 hours - virtually all civilians. The Arab-Israeli conflict can be summed up as the Middle East's response to the US/Soviet Cold War, if we set aside the ME's participation in the original cold war. Israel's cold peace with Egypt and Jordan has eliminated two hostile countries, and Israel's strong defensive deterrent has prevented Syria from launching attacks even as Israeli actively flows over Syrian airspace. So out of the 60 years since this conflict began, a fraction of the time has actually involved open-warfare. ] (]) 02:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


US and Israeli sources would give us a total estimate somewhere near 100-120,000
:removed from the page because the last uprising was in January 2009. They are at "peace" right now and when the uprisings happen again it can be readded. Every other one is removed once the conflict has ended, temporarily or not. ] (]) 22:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


UN, Human Rights organization and Academic sources give us our middle range of 165,000.
::That's valid reasoning, but it still leaves an inconsistency with the ] article which says the conflict is on-going, and over 1000 people have died in the last 12 months. Should the "conflict" infobox be updated to say "Result: Suspended" or "Result: Ongoing (ceasefire)"? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


The highest estimates give us a total of 210,000.
: I don't understand. Is it not the case that rockets are fired from Gaza into Israel on a more or less bi-weekly basis, to this day? And there is street violence. It is definitely (these days) under 1,000 deaths, so why not keep it in the second table?] (]) 13:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC) user foundpra


Notice further that the middle range estimate of 165,000 is roughly the mean of the lower, medium, and high estimates. This is further indication of its validity since it balances opposed viewpoints and expertises.
== Definitely Ongoing - DRC ==


Thus, the casualty range for the Israel Palestine conflict should--to be charitable to all the different perspectives and viewpoints--read something like:
Do not take DRC off the list. Can't anyone check the news carefully? This is conflict that continues to produce violent deaths, displacements, rape and everything else associated with an ongoing conflict.


Deaths:
* November 2, 2009 CNN News ... Two weeks ago, the U.N. special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions, Philip Alston, said that at least 1,000 civilians had been killed this year in eastern Congo. ... The United Nations has suspended assistance to a Congolese army brigade battling rebels amid allegations that its troops killed 62 civilians, including women and children, between May and September. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/11/02/un.aid.congo/
* November 6, 2009 VOA News ... more than 16,000 civilians have fled ethnic violence in the northern Democratic Republic of the Congo ... this latest violence, which is taking place in the west of the DRC is unrelated to fighting going on in the east. That conflict, he says, has displaced 1.7 million people http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-11-06-voa27.cfm


165,000 (110,000--210,000)
UN - Daily Press Briefing (7 August 2009) "The UN refugee agency (UNHCR), says that an unprecedented 55 rebel attacks by the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) in eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo have displaced some 12,500 civilians in '''THE PAST MONTH ALONE'''. This is a spike from 23 LRA attacks in May and 34 in June.


Not the current 230-241,000 which is false even on its own terms!
UNHCR says that the Ugandan rebels have '''MURDERD 1,273''' civilians and abducted 655 children and 1,427 adults. A number of women were also raped and houses were looted and torched. Fleeing civilians have found shelter in public buildings including schools and churches. And the situation is made worse by a lack of basic medical supplies at local hospitals, while aid agencies have so far reached only half of the internally displaced persons. And that’s due to widespread insecurity in the region. You can read more about this upstairs." ]


BBC News - ‎Aug 10, 2009‎
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has urged students in the Democratic Republic of Congo to speak out against the country's deadly civil conflict. ...


== Where is Darfur ==


The Darfur conflict does not appear in any list.


Source used by article <ref>
(]) 01:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm </ref>


Other sources:
:The ] article states that the war ended in 2009. If you disagree, please check the references in that article and update it as necessary.
<ref>
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict
</ref>


<ref>
==Iraq War==
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel </ref>


<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/Six-Day_War </ref>
There has not been any major battles, attacks, or activity in Iraq over the past 6 months. Also, over the past 3 months it seems like most of the fighting has moved to Afghanistan and Pakistan. I am suggesting that Iraq War move to a conflict rather than a major war. Also, to support this there has been confirmation from WSJ.com, NYTimes and numerous other news agencies that the plan to withdraw troops is on and troops have already begun to be withdrawn. ] (]) 17:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/War_of_Attrition </ref>
The categories are 1000+ per year and <1000 a year. is a source which is commonly considered reliable, it's about Iraq War casualties. Under the table of coalition casualties you can find one for Iraqi casualties, civilian and military. I'll quote it for you:
*Oct-09 35 285,
*Sep-09 62 96,
*Aug-09 42 397,
*Jul-09 47 193,
*Jun-09 51 316,
*May-09 39 149,
*Apr-09 45 302,
*Mar-09 49 229,
*Feb-09 39 163,
*Jan-09 54 133.
This totals 2726 (and these are not even the complete figures) for just 10 out of 12 months of this year. While coalition casualties are 136 so far, it would make a total of 2862 this year, which is well over a thousand. Iraqi Insurgent casualties are per, 289 so far (and that's excluding suicide bombers). I'm putting it back in the 1000+ list.] (]) 14:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War </ref>
Iraq should be removed from this list because it has moved to be a peacekeeping like the US has in many other countries that are not on this list. It is now a war that ended recently. ~Stidmatt 21:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict </ref>
<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/Yom_Kippur_War </ref>


<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_conflict </ref>
==Sa'dah insurgency==


I made a table of the estimates given in the source linked for this page, and added below it the estimates given by other wikipedia pages:
There seems to be some disagreement about the scale of the ]. The linked article gives references for the following number of fatalities:
*Yemen: 1,000
*Saudi Arabia: 9
*Opponents: 2,700-3,500
By my count, this is about 4,500 fatalities, which is the number given in this article too. At the time of writing this, it is November 2009, and the linked article says the conflict began in June 2004, which is almost 5 and a half years ago. 4.5 thousand fatalities in 5.5 years is not 1000+ deaths per year.


<ref>https://olive-merralee-23.tiiny.site/</ref> ''<big>-- 20:14, 24 September 2024 38.130.70.73</big>''
The latest objection to placing this entry in the "Other conflicts" section is that doing so would make the text of the article inconsistent with the map. This is true, but placing the entry in the "1000+ deaths per year" section would make the text of the article inconsistent with the rest of Misplaced Pages, and presumably inconsistent with reality. I think the map should reflect the article, not the other way around, unless the map is using some extra information that needs to be added somewhere to make things more consistent. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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:Dgreco claims "(you do not divide total deaths by years, a lot more would be up there, it is more than 1,000 in a year and there have been over 1,000 deaths in 2009.)". It is right that the casualty rate is probably not constant, but without a reference it is wrong to assume that the most recent 12 months has seen an above-average level of casualties. The main article on the conflict ] "Skirmishes and the clashes between the two sides during 2009 began in June." and the article covering the phase of the conflict from August onwards (]) states "hundreds" of casualties, without giving a reference. These articles do not contradict the supposed "over 1,000 deaths in 2009", but they do not support it either. Rather than mess around reverting each other's edits, I will leave Dgreco's edit in place and hope that someone can find some evidence to substantiate it, which should be added to the aforementioned articles. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:There is now a figure of "8,300" in the article, and a reference to http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/ACRText/ACR-Yemen.htm#Status so things might seem to be moving forwards. Unfortunately I cannot see where that number comes from, and what I can see is: "Total: Between 3,700 and 5,500 militants and civilians are said to have been killed since the first outbreak of violence on June 18, 2004." (the page says it was last updated in January 2009, which is 12 months ago). To make matters worse, the reference for the "4,700" number also appears to not mention that number either, simply calling this "a conflict that has killed thousands". What is going on here? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Change the minimum estimate of those killed in the conflict in Ukraine to 120,000+ ==
==Israeli Palestinian Conflict==
Now the ] may be over but rocket fire is still continuing to hit Israel and Israelis still carry out air raids sometimes against Gaza or arrest militants in the West Bank. Now since many minor conflicts have been included here, I think we ought to include this one.] (]) 17:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


At the moment, according to the minimally recorded obituaries on both sides, the number of deaths should exceed 120 thousand people; the information in the article is outdated:
Fair enough, but why has 1987 been chosen as the year since the conflict began? The conflict has been around the region since the 1930s, and it does not seem right to say it all started from the first intifada. ] (]) 22:51, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
1) 54,000+ dead on the Russian side https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng
2) 46,000+ dead on the Ukrainian side
https://ualosses.org/
3) 10,000+ civilian deaths
https://ukraine.un.org/en/253322-civilian-deaths-ukraine-war-top-10000-un-says
4) there is no point in proving the number of deaths before a full-scale war, I think these numbers are already in the public domain: approximately 14,000 people


You have some 100,000 victims listed, it can no longer be such a low estimate, I ask you to remove this
Yes it did start in the 1930s but these were all seperate wars which happened in the past, mostly between Israel and Arab countries like Egypt and Syria (not Palestinians) the ongoing insurgency by Palestinians started in 1987.] (]) 15:05, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


== Democratic Republic of the Congo is listed twice. ==
Hang on.... you're all in favour of chaining together a whole series of disconnected conflicts when its in Afghanistan (]) but not when it is in Palestine ? ] (]) 21:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


I'm not sure why, but the DRC is listed twice on the table for Deaths by country in the 2023 section. The first says that deaths rose by 8,342, but the second says that deaths lowered by 3,902. Since the table goes by fatalities by country, it should be only one number. ] (]) 23:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:This is an interesting point. If we were linking to the intifada articles that would be one thing, but we link to ], which specifically lists the conflict date as "early 20th century - present". This is really a judgment call. For consistency's sake, I think the start of conflict date in this article should correspond with whatever is used in the article linked to. ] (]) 21:32, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


== North Korea and South Korea ==
The main problem is that there is no article for the current part of the conflict, you had the second intifada, you had the gaza war, but right now the war is still ongoing, there are incursions and gunbattles in Gaza as well as air raids and rocket fire by Palestinians while in the West Bank there are still Palestinian attacks and Israelis carrying out crackdowns against militants but there is no article about it, so I don't know very well were we should link it too.] (]) 11:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
If North Korea is yellow at the map, then South Korea should be yellow too. Both countries are officially still at war. ] (]) 20:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)


:The only casualties as a result of fighting in the current or past year have been in North Korea. ] (]) 19:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Kermanshahi, you haven't answered the point. In ] you vehemently and proactively link all the separate conflicts in Afghanistan into a long-running single conflict, and you revert anyone who splits the conflicts into their constituent parts and present the ongoing conflict as a stand-alone affair. And yet here you seem to be arguing the reverse - namely that the current events are disconnected with previous conflicts that occured in the past. Your edits in relation to Israel/Palestine do not take a consistent approach to your edits in relation to Afghanistan. They both seem very similar situations and for consistency they should both be treated the same - either the current conflicts are stand alone affairs or they are simply the latest phase of a longer term conflict. ] (]) 18:13, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


== Why is the USA White? ==
==Merge==


At the very least, America is still involved in the Syrian civil war and the ]. Yes, they only had 3 non-combat losses in the Red Sea, but in the Middle East, a drone attacked their military base, and ] personally met the coffins brought to America. This qualifies as 1-99 losses, so America needs to be repainted in Yellow. I insist. ] (]) 06:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
shouldnt we merge wars like the conflicts in India and Yemen? After all they are fighting an insurgency? (] (]) 02:00, 19 February 2010 (UTC))


== The Papua conflict location ==
== India ==


someone should change the color for India, I would do it but don't know how. ] (]) 05:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC) the Papua conflict is not on Asia, but on Oceania because is on the island of new Guinea, that is part of the continent of Oceania. ] (]) 06:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)


== Total fatalities for Islamic State insurgency in the North Caucasus is incorrect ==
==Add this==
Can somebody add ]? ] (]) 16:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


The source cited for total fatalities appears to be the fatalities for the first and second Chechen wars, not the ongoing insurgency. Total casualties for conflict according to the linked page appears to be around a thousand. ] (]) 19:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
== Map out-of-date ==


== Arab Israel conflict ==
Spain and Northern Ireland are not listed here, they should be. The IMC regularly call dissident republicans a threat and they have claimed at least 4-5 threats in the last 2 years (soldiers in the barracks, the cop the following day, Newry, an attempted bombing the next day (the 1 and 3 ont he RIRA and the 2 and 4 on the CIRA), and another shooting of a catholic officer. this in addition to the regular pipe bomb attacks and other activities. ETA have also claimed deaths within the last 2 years. (3-4)


Iran and proxies conflict with Israel isn't really part of arab Israeli conflict.
Also if Mexico's war on drugs is here then where is the War on Terror? The Korea's caused deaths apparently. Darfur is not here, the FLNC have claimed a few attacks in Corsica, Indonesia has both Jemaah Islamiya (with a year) and the other Papuans. Congo without a doubt should be here, FLEC in Angola (2010)] (]) 09:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


It should be in another category of Iran - Israel conflict, and maybe also part of Israel Palestine conflict, this war is lead by Iran and Hamas which are tied more to their religious! and national identities then their respective iranian and arab ones. ] (]) 20:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
== Moved the list to more appropriate title ==


== Ending 2024’s article and creating 2025’s article ==
It moved the list because due to its (previously) inappropriate title: Obviously nobody's trying to list all existing ongoing conflicts, but we're talking about ](*). In contrast, ongoing conflict between individuals is not relevant here; conflict between animals is not relevant here; conflict between companies is not relevant here; even violent conflict (incl. gangs etc.) is not generally relevant here... indeed not even conflict between religions or other identity groups, unless it amounts to a political conflict. --] (]) 07:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC) [(*) Misplaced Pages has articles over the most obscure bands and actors, but not about "political conflict"? Wow...
:this move was not needed as we have many ] which have an appropriate title--] (]) 12:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


I suggest to anyone who edits this page. Please make sure that all the proper updates are made since the year is almost over and consider making 2025’s article. The world has changed so much since January. ] (]) 19:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
== Bangladesh and others ==


:It's been taken care of. ] (]) 14:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
There is currently a Maoist insurgency in Bangladesh. It is not as big as the one in India but the BBC reports in a recent article that 70 people died last year. 3 cops were killed yestoday. It certainly should be added to the list and map.


== Mozambican election crisis ==
There are also small Maoist insurgencies still active in Turkey and Peru (2 turkish guerillas died a few weeks ago). And the situation in Nepal is has the occasional violent spillage too.


There's an uprising in major cities against FRELIMO, with hundreds of deaths already recorded. This should be included in the article. ] (]) 09:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
There are many conflicts, some very low intensity, that should not be ignored. Perhaps differant shades of blue should be added to the map, rather than just 2 ? Conflicts like northern Ireland, Peru, Greece, etc could be a pale blue. I think this would be a good idea, as such small conflicts need to be mentioned, but not alongside the more active wars <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Sorting the tables == == Ethiopian civil conflict ==


The number we have was taken on December 4th, and was just a few below the 10k margin. Maybe we should get an updated one because it's statistically extremely likely it passed it ] (]) 03:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Not directly related to this specific article, but I think Misplaced Pages needs a better sorting system for those tables.
Trying to sort the tables for fataties will result in inproper sorting: placing 6,000 next to 600,000 and the ~2,500 at the end.
Perhaps a way of solving would be adding a hidden bogus number just for sorting purposes (e.g. someone manually assigns numbers 100, 200, 300, etc to the current entries on the table, then when entering new entries, users are advised to properly place a bogus number like 150 for the things in the middle, or leaving it blank (thus sorted at the end until someone adds the number) and bots could search wikipedia tables for numbers like 150, 175 and reassign number to the whole table in the 100, 200, etc; Note that this () is just an idea, but the problem still should be considered).
I know this may not be the best place for such comment, but I don't know where is, sorry. I'd like to ask that whoever knows please copy this to the proper place.
] (]) 03:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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Q61896704 2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes Kashmir India
Pakistan 		2019-02-14 international incident
armed conflict
Q106171654 2021 Apure clashes La Victoria
Arauquita 		Venezuela
Colombia 		2021-03-21 armed conflict
refugee crisis
Q107461898 2021 Taliban offensive Afghanistan Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan 		2021-05-01 armed conflict
military offensive 		withdrawal of United States troops from Afghanistan August 2021 Kabul attack
Capture of Zaranj
Fall of Kabul (2021) 		2021 Kabul Airlift
Q110900195 2022 Democratic Republic of the Congo coup d'état allegations Democratic Republic of the Congo 2022-02-08 armed conflict
attempted coup d'état
Q124221028 2024 Ecuadorian conflict Ecuador 2024-01-09 armed conflict
urban warfare 		Operation Metastasis
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Afghan Civil War
Afghan Civil War
Afghan Civil War
War in Afghanistan
War in Afghanistan
bombing of the Russian embassy in Kabul
Q4072719 Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes Durand Line Afghanistan
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Q55390549 Anglophone Crisis Northwest
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Q115685604 Apurimac uprising Apurimac Department Peru 2022-12-07 armed conflict
Q17512479 Arab Winter Arab world 2012 war Arab Spring
Q20635380 Armenian–Azerbaijani border conflict Armenia–Azerbaijan border 1994-05-12 territorial dispute
armed conflict
Q113404565 August 2022 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes Kalbajar District
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Q16351522 Bullaj (Marec) 21 prill 1999 1999-04-21 armed conflict
Q56312857 Counter-terrorist operation regime Belgorod Oblast Russia 2023-05-22 military occupation
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Q116608868 Dnieper campaign Ukraine 2022-09-01 armed conflict liberation of Kherson
destruction of the Kakhovka Dam
Q106959326 Ethiopian civil conflict (2018–present) Ethiopia 2018-04-02 armed conflict
Q51139646 Gaza border protests Israel–Gaza Strip border State of Palestine 2018-03-30 183 9208 civil disorder
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protest march 		Land Day
Q553184 Gaza–Israel conflict Southern Levant State of Palestine 2006-06-28 3500 15000 armed conflict 2006 Palestinian legislative election Israeli disengagement from Gaza Gaza War of 2008-2009
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Israel–Hamas war
Q29242 Georgian–Ossetian conflict South Ossetia 1989-11-10 war Georgian–Ossetian conflict of 1918–1920
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Q65070966 ISIL–Taliban conflict Afghanistan Afghanistan 2015-11-11 1547 armed conflict
sectarian violence 		Battle of Darzab (2018)
2021 Kabul airport attack
Q3119132 Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts 1947-10-22 armed conflict
Q632787 Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–) Maghreb 2002-04-11 war Solhan and Tadaryat massacre
Q61126993 Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war Levant Iran
Israel
Syria 		2013 armed conflict February 2018 Israel–Syria incident
Q47015896 Iraqi conflict Iraq 2003-03-20 war
Q23198510 Islamic State insurgency in Tunisia Tunisia 2012 armed conflict
Q86831539 Islamist insurgency in the Sahel 2011-02-15 war
Q3241199 Israeli–Lebanese conflict Levant Israel
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Q151622 Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israel
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First Intifada
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Q89035147 Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso Burkina Faso 2015-08-23 war Massacres de Komsilga, Nodin et Soroe
Combat de Samorogouan
Attaque d'Intangom
2016 Ouagadougou attacks
2016 Nassoumbou attack
Battle of the Foulsaré Forest
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2017 Ouagadougou attack
Siege of Djibo
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Attaque de Tin-Akoff
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2018 Ouagadougou attack
Attaque d'Inata
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Attaque de Koutougou
Arbinda attack
May 2019 Burkina Faso hostage rescue
Embuscade d'Hallalé
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Attaque d'Inata (2021)
Opération Laabingol
January 2022 Burkina Faso coup d'état
Attaque de Madjoari
Attaque de Bourzanga
Attaque de Tin-Ediar
Q2652686 Kachin conflict Kachin State
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Q1413732 Kashmir conflict Jammu and Kashmir Kashmir India
Pakistan 		1947-10-22 47000 war Indo-Pakistani war of 1947–1948
2016–2018 India–Pakistan border skirmishes
2016 Kashmir unrest
2014 India–Pakistan border skirmishes
Kargil War
insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir
Siachen conflict
Indo-Pakistani War of 1965
Q327237 Kivu conflict Kivu 2004 war
environmental conflict
Q619749 Kurdish–Turkish conflict Eastern Anatolia Region
Southeastern Anatolia Region
Syria–Turkey border
Kurdistan Region 		1978-11 ethnic conflict
armed conflict
conflict
Q18702324 Libyan Crisis Libya 2011-02-15 political crisis
civil war
humanitarian crisis 		Libyan Civil War
Second Libyan Civil War
Q303801 Lord's Resistance Army insurgency 1987 war
Q2946372 Mali War Mali Mali 2012-01-16 7000 civil war 2020 Malian coup d'état
2012 Tuareg rebellion
Q110613097 Myanmar civil war Myanmar 2021-05-05 civil war
Q852088 Myanmar conflict Myanmar Myanmar 1948-04-02 civil war
Q16954835 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict South Caucasus 1988 ethnic conflict
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Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh
Q110665625 Operation Bamenda Clean Bamenda 2020-09-08 armed conflict
Q85792714 Pemon conflict Venezuela 2016 armed conflict
Q110999040 Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Europe
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Luhansk People's Republic
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Kherson State
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Russian irredentism
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Президентство Виктора Януковича
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2022 Crimean Bridge explosion
2022 Russian mobilization
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2022 Kherson counteroffensive
Belarusian and Russian partisan movement
Kyiv offensive
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Call Russia
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Finland–NATO relations
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attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
international sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
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Wagner Group–Russian Ministry of Defence conflict
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Rostov Oblast
Ukraine
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Russia
Belarus
Donetsk People's Republic
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eastward expansion of NATO
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Minsk agreements 		2014 Russian invasion of Crimea
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prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine
Russian invasion of Ukraine
2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine
Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts
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Russian–Ukrainian church war
2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine
list of foreign aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War
Q243620 Somali Civil War Somalia Somalia 1991-01-26 civil war
Q1052332 Somali Civil War 2009-present Somalia 2009-01-31 civil war War in Somalia (2006–2009)
Q1094356 South Thailand insurgency Southern Thailand Thailand 2004-01-04 armed conflict
Q1795374 Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile South Kordofan 2011-05-11 armed conflict
Q178810 Syrian Civil War Syria Syria 2011-03-15 570000 civil war
proxy war
communal violence 		Arab Spring human rights in Syria
Sectarianism and minorities in the Syrian civil war 		Siege of Daraa
Khan Shaykhun chemical attack
Battle of Baghuz Fawqani
2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria 		foreign involvement in the Syrian civil war
Chronik des Bürgerkriegs in Syrien 2022
Chronik des Bürgerkriegs in Syrien 2021
War against the Islamic State 		spillover of the Syrian Civil War
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Inaccurate and tendentious categorisation of Israel-Hamas war

Grouping all of the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948 as one conflict is self-evidently non-factual, tendentious and deliberately intended to inflate the total casualty count (which itself is highly dubious; hundreds of thousands!? Add up the casualties in the 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and then other conflicts does not come close to 300,000). The total Arab casualties in all of the wars of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Arab-Israeli conflict article is around 90,000. If you're actually saying Israel is a "belligerent in the Yemeni civil war", and then adding all of the deaths from that conflict (given Israel has not struck back at all and is not at war with Yemen or Houthis, and has not caused any deaths in Yemen) is so obviously biased, as is calling Israel a "belligerent" in what are, in fact, unlawful terror attacks by a non-state actor. I don't know how to do a signature here so sorry User:Idontknowhowtodothissorry -- 2 May 2024 2a02:6b6d:1338:0:fd31:8c17:3cf2:3a56


Total Casualties for 2023 and 2024 of Israel-Gaza and Israel-Lebanon War double counts casualties again

According to the UN impact report, the total casualties of the Israel Gaza war are 45,000 for both years. Casualties for Lebanon total 3,000. Therefore a total equaling 53,000 to 63,000 over counts casualties by 5,000-15,000.

2023 casualties should be 22,000 or so, and 2024 should be 26,000.

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-17-december-2024

https://apnews.com/article/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-death-toll-798b846237a24ed37490ea29bd4e3aba — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.130.70.120 (talk) 13:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


Note that the Upsala Conflict Database--cited by the wikipedia page here as a source--actually concurs with the lower numbers I mentioned.

In other words, by both the official UN sources AND the *sources cited* the casualties listed as incorrect. We could perhaps chalk this up to the page editor not clicking the dis-aggregated view of the data, but given the frequency of tendentious casualty reporting on this subject, where, for example, 50,000 casualties from the Lebanon War are attributed to Israel despite them occurring before Israel entered the war--which, again, is what the sources cited themselves indicated--I am skeptical.

https://ucdp.uu.se/year/2023

It also seems that this database was incorrectly cited, as indicating casualties rather than attacks https://acleddata.com/2024/10/10/israels-gaza-middle-east-a-year-in-numbers/

As their own casualty estimate is " This brought the total fatality toll of Palestinians killed since 7 October 2023 to more than 45,000. While the IDF pressed on with a grinding war in Gaza, the intensity of its operations decreased as Israel gained greater operational control over the Gaza Strip. Israeli forces targeted all five governorates of Gaza, but the highest number of attacks hit Gaza City and Dayr al-Balah. "

This means literally every source cited contradicts the number presented!

Please change the estimates to their correct numbers of 22,000 and 26,000.

Prior Double Counting Not Addressed, Current Double Counting Only Worsens the Issue--Official & NGO Estimates put total casualties of IP conflict at about 50,000 smaller, at minimum

Note that even if we use the absurd elevated estimates given producing a 65,000 casualty count, when added to official indices the total for the entire 160 year Zionist Arab conflict is still 190,000. This means even with the inflated estimates provided, the total provided is off by at least 50,000.

http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/ink/israel/findex.htm

https://olive-merralee-23.tiiny.site/

https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict

Adding together each: 1. Misplaced Pages page estimates of wars 2. The Uppsala data base of casualties 3. The relevant UN reports 4. Israeli Human Rights Groups reports 5. The Wars of the World Database 6. The Palestine Human Rights Monitor Group Estimates 7. The Battlefield Inequality Database cited by the wikipedia page 8. Israeli and US official estimates of casualties

Each produces estimates that range from 120,000-210,000 for the period of 1860-2024.

As stated, even adding the higher estimate of the double counted data for 2023 to 2024 to the prior data gives us a casualty estimate that is 50,000 smaller than the one stated.

Please correct the total casualty estimate of 242,000-246,000, since the minimum is much lower and the maximum is 210,000.

An average estimate of 171,000 would be most in line with the sources. But even stating it as 195,000 which 'compromises' by allowing some double counting and inflation for the sake of rhetorical peace, would be much more accurate than the current statement.

Perhaps then list it as 195,000 (171,000-210,000), since this uses the mean as the floor, while keeping the real ceiling. This allows for some arbitrary biasing upward, as a compromise between the truth and the wikipedia editors who, for whatever their reasons, want to use the incorrect estimates. This, at the very least would reduce the error rate from 42% to 14% at the lower end, and 50% to 25% at the higher end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.130.70.120 (talk) 13:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Double Counting of Casualties in Israel Palestine Conflict--Casualty Rate Should Read 165,000 (110,000-210,000)

The table links to a source that includes in its casualty list deaths from the Israel Palestine conflict, but to get the final number the editors added those to the previous number thus double counting them. What's more, the source itself already double counts casualties because it includes dead from the 1947-1949 war twice.

But, on top of this, the source is confusing but is incorrectly cited. It lists conflicts with parties to them, not the casualties caused by them. Comparing the source to the pages for each of the conflicts in question produces much smaller estimates. For example, read incorrectly, the linked source suggests that some ~58,000 (60,000 across conflicts) people have died in wars between Israel and Lebanon, when even the highest Lebanese estimates are 20,000. Estimates range from 13,000-15,000 at the lower end, and 18,000-34,000 at the higher end (and that's with double counting in civilian and combatant casualties as it is !). This means that EVEN WITH THE SOURCES IN QUESTION, THE CASUALTY RATE OF THE CONFLICT IS AT MINIMUM 24,000 SMALLER, and up to 45,000!.

When we account for the double counting, this results in a reduction of 14,000-27,000--so the numbers are 38,000-72,000 smaller.

Adding up the casualty estimates provided on the wikipedia pages for each conflict, before adding the Israel-Palestine numbers gets us a range of 57-115. The Israel Palestine conflict page lists 53-65. Except, more than half of these are already included in the previous estimate. HOWEVER, even if we do not account for this we get a range of 110-168,000. Now if we add the recent Gaza war-which, again would be double counting in part--we would add 43,000.

This means that even if we triple count Palestinian casualties listed on the wikipedia pages, our total rises to 153,--210,000--and EVEN THAT includes deaths not caused by Israel, double counts many victims, counts missing as dead, and so on.

Even if we add Israelis killed in terrorism and riots (5-15,000 depending on how we count), Palestinians killed in intra-Palestinian violence (2000), The war of the camps between Lebanon and the PLO (4500--6500) and deaths in Black September between Jordan and Palestine (4000 in official estimates, but Arafat claims 15,000 Palestinians killed by Jordan, which would put the total at 16,000) we would get 15-40,000 more deaths and that would put our total at 168-250,000.

While the latter estimate is larger than the one listed on the page, this one includes 25,000 Palestinians killed by Lebanese, Jordanian, and Palestinian forces, it double counts a portion of Israeli terror victims (soldiers who died in terror attacks are listed in both war and civilian casualty estimates, and thus over state the estimates), while taking the higher estimate of those dead--thus increasing the estimate by up to 30,000.

It double counts the dead prior to 1948, it double counts the dead in the 47-49 war, it triple counts Palestinian casualties in wars since the first intifada, it counts all those who have died in Lebanese wars, even those who were not killed by Israel (indeed including even those who died in wars before Israel even got involved!), it takes the higher estimates of dead in every conflict, even where US, & Israel estimates VASTLY lower, UN estimates are much lower, and independent Arab state & Human Rights organization estimates are somewhat lower.

The double and triple counting adds 35,000-80,000 deaths. Taking the highest estimates adds 57,000.

Notably, adding together the total casualties from more reliable sources gets us 122,000 before the recent war, and then 43,000 for the recent war, bringing us to 165,000!

Notice, this brings us a very similar estimate to taking the lower estimate from all the respective wikipedia pages for each of the episodes of the Israel Palestine conflict.

Since independent sourcing leads to a similar estimate to the one produced by using other wikipedia sources at the lower end, this is a good indicator it is of reliability, especially since getting the higher estimates requires that up to 14% (35/250) - 40% (80/193) of the casualties attributed are Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Jordanians killed by other Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians, and it requires taking the higher estimate in every case, which accounts for 23% (57/250) -- 50% (58/115) of the deaths. If 55% of a casualty estimate ((57+80)/250) depends on attributing deaths of people killed by other states, and taking the higher estimate of casualties in every single case, chances are the estimate is off!

Thus, the page here: 1. incorrectly cites a source 2. misrepresents that sources claims 3. cites a source which itself engages in double counting and unclear attribution 4. does not line up with the other wikipedia pages' conflict estimates or those of their sources *EVEN AT THEIR HIGHER END* 5. to be true requires an estimate that requires 14-40% of the deaths be those caused by other states, and 23-50% of the casualty estimates are due to taking the higher range of each estimate, with a combined effect that 55% of casualties are tendentiously attributed 6. does not line up with independent sourcing

Meanwhile, another estimate (165,000), which: 1. Uses independent sources 2. Minimizes double counting 3. Only attributes deaths caused by Israel 4. Lines up with the lower estimates of the relevant wikipedia pages and their sources 5. Is self consistent 6. Strikes a moderate balance between the estimates of US, Israel, UN, Arab League, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, academics and so on 7. Lines up with the cited source for this wikipedia page *IF* considerations are taken to interpret it correctly (which would give us a base of 114-159,000, to which we would add the 43,000 of the recent war, giving us 157,000--210,000

Thus, the estimate of 165,000 lines up with the: 1. Other wikipedia pages 2. Their sources 3. Independent sources 4. The *VERY SOURCE USED FOR THIS PAGE* if properly interpreted

THUS EVEN BY THE STANDARDS OF THE SOURCES CITED THE ESTIMATE GIVEN ON THE PAGE IS INFLATED BY 50%! A FULL THIRD OF THE CASUALTIES LISTED ARE IMPROPERLY ATTRIBUTED OR COMPLETELY FABRICATED !

This does not require using Israeli or US estimates (which are *lower* than the 165,000 estimate!). In fact, it holds even if we use the estimates of Arab states (the highest ones--which would produce at the highest 210,000 as above), human rights organizations (the second highest), or scholarly academic sources (those in the median range).

US and Israeli sources would give us a total estimate somewhere near 100-120,000

UN, Human Rights organization and Academic sources give us our middle range of 165,000.

The highest estimates give us a total of 210,000.

Notice further that the middle range estimate of 165,000 is roughly the mean of the lower, medium, and high estimates. This is further indication of its validity since it balances opposed viewpoints and expertises.

Thus, the casualty range for the Israel Palestine conflict should--to be charitable to all the different perspectives and viewpoints--read something like:

Deaths:

165,000 (110,000--210,000)

Not the current 230-241,000 which is false even on its own terms!



Source used by article

Other sources:

I made a table of the estimates given in the source linked for this page, and added below it the estimates given by other wikipedia pages:

-- 20:14, 24 September 2024 38.130.70.73

References

  1. https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm
  2. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict
  3. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel
  4. https://en.wikipedia.org/Six-Day_War
  5. https://en.wikipedia.org/War_of_Attrition
  6. https://en.wikipedia.org/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
  7. https://en.wikipedia.org/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
  8. https://en.wikipedia.org/Yom_Kippur_War
  9. https://en.wikipedia.org/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_conflict
  10. https://olive-merralee-23.tiiny.site/

Change the minimum estimate of those killed in the conflict in Ukraine to 120,000+

At the moment, according to the minimally recorded obituaries on both sides, the number of deaths should exceed 120 thousand people; the information in the article is outdated: 1) 54,000+ dead on the Russian side https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng 2) 46,000+ dead on the Ukrainian side https://ualosses.org/ 3) 10,000+ civilian deaths https://ukraine.un.org/en/253322-civilian-deaths-ukraine-war-top-10000-un-says 4) there is no point in proving the number of deaths before a full-scale war, I think these numbers are already in the public domain: approximately 14,000 people

You have some 100,000 victims listed, it can no longer be such a low estimate, I ask you to remove this

Democratic Republic of the Congo is listed twice.

I'm not sure why, but the DRC is listed twice on the table for Deaths by country in the 2023 section. The first says that deaths rose by 8,342, but the second says that deaths lowered by 3,902. Since the table goes by fatalities by country, it should be only one number. Tornadoboy7 (talk) 23:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

North Korea and South Korea

If North Korea is yellow at the map, then South Korea should be yellow too. Both countries are officially still at war. Dasomm (talk) 20:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The only casualties as a result of fighting in the current or past year have been in North Korea. Clyde H. Mapping (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Why is the USA White?

At the very least, America is still involved in the Syrian civil war and the Red Sea conflict. Yes, they only had 3 non-combat losses in the Red Sea, but in the Middle East, a drone attacked their military base, and Biden personally met the coffins brought to America. This qualifies as 1-99 losses, so America needs to be repainted in Yellow. I insist. 31.202.71.56 (talk) 06:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

The Papua conflict location

the Papua conflict is not on Asia, but on Oceania because is on the island of new Guinea, that is part of the continent of Oceania. Delfi707 (talk) 06:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Total fatalities for Islamic State insurgency in the North Caucasus is incorrect

The source cited for total fatalities appears to be the fatalities for the first and second Chechen wars, not the ongoing insurgency. Total casualties for conflict according to the linked page appears to be around a thousand. Chiss5618 (talk) 19:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Arab Israel conflict

Iran and proxies conflict with Israel isn't really part of arab Israeli conflict.

It should be in another category of Iran - Israel conflict, and maybe also part of Israel Palestine conflict, this war is lead by Iran and Hamas which are tied more to their religious! and national identities then their respective iranian and arab ones. 46.121.26.191 (talk) 20:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Ending 2024’s article and creating 2025’s article

I suggest to anyone who edits this page. Please make sure that all the proper updates are made since the year is almost over and consider making 2025’s article. The world has changed so much since January. 2600:1702:5870:5930:50C6:F0D8:4A3:C3EB (talk) 19:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

It's been taken care of. Whitesin21 (talk) 14:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Mozambican election crisis

There's an uprising in major cities against FRELIMO, with hundreds of deaths already recorded. This should be included in the article. 87.196.74.198 (talk) 09:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Ethiopian civil conflict

The number we have was taken on December 4th, and was just a few below the 10k margin. Maybe we should get an updated one because it's statistically extremely likely it passed it 2604:3D09:1F7F:8B00:149C:3CA4:EA67:41DA (talk) 03:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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