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| == Greek or Aromanian == | == Greek or Aromanian == | ||
| Can someone bring a source that says that he was Greek? From what I can find on the net he was an Aromanian(on Greek websites).--<span style="background-color: |
Can someone bring a source that says that he was Greek? From what I can find on the net he was an Aromanian(on Greek websites).--] <sup>]</sup> 18:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| From what? Any urls from wp:rs? Even he was an Aromanian he was a Hellenized one: his entire life was dedicated to Greek language, education&revival: so when a source doesn't specify that he was of different ethnicity things are too obvious.] (]) 19:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | From what? Any urls from wp:rs? Even he was an Aromanian he was a Hellenized one: his entire life was dedicated to Greek language, education&revival: so when a source doesn't specify that he was of different ethnicity things are too obvious.] (]) 19:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :Alexikoua do you have any sources about his ethnicity? If you don't have sources please don't label people as Greek like you have done numerous times already.--<span style="background-color: |
:Alexikoua do you have any sources about his ethnicity? If you don't have sources please don't label people as Greek like you have done numerous times already.--] <sup>]</sup> 20:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| ::Zthoues: Do you have any sources that he isn't Greek while his entire life makes this far too obvious? If not please avoid being disruptive and following me around for the usual reasons.] (]) 20:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ::Zthoues: Do you have any sources that he isn't Greek while his entire life makes this far too obvious? If not please avoid being disruptive and following me around for the usual reasons.] (]) 20:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :::It's too obvious that he was Greek? Alexikoua that's an extreme or deduction, so if you don't have a source I'll remove the ethnicity and add Orthodox. Alexikoua you have created in the past at least two articles claiming as Greek people who weren't Greeks, so if you don't bring a source about the Greek origins of this person I'll remove the ethnicity.--<span style="background-color: |
:::It's too obvious that he was Greek? Alexikoua that's an extreme or deduction, so if you don't have a source I'll remove the ethnicity and add Orthodox. Alexikoua you have created in the past at least two articles claiming as Greek people who weren't Greeks, so if you don't bring a source about the Greek origins of this person I'll remove the ethnicity.--] <sup>]</sup> 21:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| ::::I would appreciate if you avoid trolling.] (]) 21:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ::::I would appreciate if you avoid trolling.] (]) 21:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| (unindent)Alexikoua please don't make comments that can be easily considered npa violations and btw that source is a dead link, however, I found a cached version and it definitely isn't a source for his ethnicity It's easy to find cached versions in order to verify users' claims.--<span style="background-color: |
(unindent)Alexikoua please don't make comments that can be easily considered npa violations and btw that source is a dead link, however, I found a cached version and it definitely isn't a source for his ethnicity It's easy to find cached versions in order to verify users' claims.--] <sup>]</sup> 22:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :::::To sum up: 1. you say you have rs but you dont, 2. threaten to make him Orthodox, obviously you didn't even bother to read this small article (he converted to Catholicism), 3. I gave the link of a Greek scholars database from University of Athens. | :::::To sum up: 1. you say you have rs but you dont, 2. threaten to make him Orthodox, obviously you didn't even bother to read this small article (he converted to Catholicism), 3. I gave the link of a Greek scholars database from University of Athens. | ||
| It's really sad you continue this national crusade by pretending you are also nped, while trolling at the same time.] (]) 22:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | It's really sad you continue this national crusade by pretending you are also nped, while trolling at the same time.] (]) 22:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :That's not a Greek scholars database and it doesn't mention any ethnicity.--<span style="background-color: |
:That's not a Greek scholars database and it doesn't mention any ethnicity. Btw I added the rs and removed your dead link. For future reference Ucuta was also an Aromanian in case you decide to continue writing articles about Aromanian writers from Voskopoje.--] <sup>]</sup> 22:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :I would suggest you follow a less battleground strategy: 1. add the source instead of trolling first, 2. don't blindly remove a url by pretending you can't read it, 3. avoid double stantarts: quite weird you reject Romanian sources that mention the Boua clan as Aromanian while you use them here as part for the usual strategy, 4 both Ucuta/Oukoutas and Chalkeus were Hellenized Aromanians.] (]) 13:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Alexikoua Ucuta was one of the first Aromanian nationalists i.e not a Hellenized Aromanian. Btw that just shows that you didn't even know who Ucuta is, however, you labeled him as a ''Hellenized'' person. Where does the second source say that this Chalkeus was related to the modern Greek enlightenment and could you at least use the cached link that works instead of a dead one? --] <sup>]</sup> 15:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'm sorry you can't see this link, but fortunately the source you gave answers too: "Bearing the light of Hellenic culture, Greek was the language of education in the Moscopolian schools". To say it simple: 'bearing the light of Hellenic culture' equals to 'participation in Greek Enlightenment'.] (]) 20:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Greek or Aromanian
Can someone bring a source that says that he was Greek? From what I can find on the net he was an Aromanian(on Greek websites).--— ZjarriRrethues — 18:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
From what? Any urls from wp:rs? Even he was an Aromanian he was a Hellenized one: his entire life was dedicated to Greek language, education&revival: so when a source doesn't specify that he was of different ethnicity things are too obvious.Alexikoua (talk) 19:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Alexikoua do you have any sources about his ethnicity? If you don't have sources please don't label people as Greek like you have done numerous times already.--— ZjarriRrethues — 20:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Zthoues: Do you have any sources that he isn't Greek while his entire life makes this far too obvious? If not please avoid being disruptive and following me around for the usual reasons.Alexikoua (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's too obvious that he was Greek? Alexikoua that's an extreme or deduction, so if you don't have a source I'll remove the ethnicity and add Orthodox. Alexikoua you have created in the past at least two articles claiming as Greek people who weren't Greeks, so if you don't bring a source about the Greek origins of this person I'll remove the ethnicity.--— ZjarriRrethues — 21:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- I would appreciate if you avoid trolling.Alexikoua (talk) 21:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's too obvious that he was Greek? Alexikoua that's an extreme or deduction, so if you don't have a source I'll remove the ethnicity and add Orthodox. Alexikoua you have created in the past at least two articles claiming as Greek people who weren't Greeks, so if you don't bring a source about the Greek origins of this person I'll remove the ethnicity.--— ZjarriRrethues — 21:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Zthoues: Do you have any sources that he isn't Greek while his entire life makes this far too obvious? If not please avoid being disruptive and following me around for the usual reasons.Alexikoua (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
(unindent)Alexikoua please don't make comments that can be easily considered npa violations and btw that source is a dead link, however, I found a cached version and it definitely isn't a source for his ethnicity It's easy to find cached versions in order to verify users' claims.--— ZjarriRrethues — 22:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- To sum up: 1. you say you have rs but you dont, 2. threaten to make him Orthodox, obviously you didn't even bother to read this small article (he converted to Catholicism), 3. I gave the link of a Greek scholars database from University of Athens.
It's really sad you continue this national crusade by pretending you are also nped, while trolling at the same time.Alexikoua (talk) 22:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- That's not a Greek scholars database and it doesn't mention any ethnicity. Btw I added the rs and removed your dead link. For future reference Ucuta was also an Aromanian in case you decide to continue writing articles about Aromanian writers from Voskopoje.--— ZjarriRrethues — 22:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- I would suggest you follow a less battleground strategy: 1. add the source instead of trolling first, 2. don't blindly remove a url by pretending you can't read it, 3. avoid double stantarts: quite weird you reject Romanian sources that mention the Boua clan as Aromanian while you use them here as part for the usual strategy, 4 both Ucuta/Oukoutas and Chalkeus were Hellenized Aromanians.Alexikoua (talk) 13:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- Alexikoua Ucuta was one of the first Aromanian nationalists i.e not a Hellenized Aromanian. Btw that just shows that you didn't even know who Ucuta is, however, you labeled him as a Hellenized person. Where does the second source say that this Chalkeus was related to the modern Greek enlightenment and could you at least use the cached link that works instead of a dead one? --— ZjarriRrethues — 15:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you can't see this link, but fortunately the source you gave answers too: "Bearing the light of Hellenic culture, Greek was the language of education in the Moscopolian schools". To say it simple: 'bearing the light of Hellenic culture' equals to 'participation in Greek Enlightenment'.Alexikoua (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- Alexikoua Ucuta was one of the first Aromanian nationalists i.e not a Hellenized Aromanian. Btw that just shows that you didn't even know who Ucuta is, however, you labeled him as a Hellenized person. Where does the second source say that this Chalkeus was related to the modern Greek enlightenment and could you at least use the cached link that works instead of a dead one? --— ZjarriRrethues — 15:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)