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	Hello ErikHaugen, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of ], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''A7 does not apply to journals. Use ] instead.''' You may wish to review the ] before tagging further pages. Thank you. ] (]) 23:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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	: Most of the article is a list of people working in an organization. But yeah, I suppose it is more accurate to say the editorial team is the organization, and the intent was that the subject of the article not be them but "their...creative work." Heh - I assure you ] wp:a7 a few times by now. ] (]) 23:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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	:: Yeah, I think it's best to take the safer, slower route with this one. Sorry about the robotic-like message; that's a product of ] (also, even many regular new-page patrollers still make many speedy-deletion mistakes). ] (]) 23:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
	::: "I think it's best..." - Absolutely; I was wrong with this tag, obviously the lede takes precedence over "most of the article is about." :) ] (]) 23:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
	::: "even many regular new-page patrollers still make many speedy-deletion mistakes" - and how. Speaking of which, if you could spot check a few of my recent ones I would be very grateful. It's a pity I can't see them anymore. ] (]) 00:01, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

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	Significance aside, shouldn't ] at least have been marked as an unreferenced biography when you patrolled it? ] (]) 01:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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	: Thanks for the note. Yes. If I'm about to work on an article, I sometimes mark it as patrolled first in order to get it off of as a courtesy to other ]ers. I realize this commits me to addressing issues relating to ] among others within a short period of time. ] (]) 01:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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	::My apologies; for some reason I did not realize how little time had passed since you had marked it patrolled. Regards! ] (]) 03:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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	I'm doing a project for school that is due tomorrow and it's very important. I would appreciate if you didn't make any revisions until Friday. Thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] ] (]) 21:31, 15 September 2010 (UTC) comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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	: Your assignment involves creating an article on Misplaced Pages and shutting other editors out? Please read the warnings on your page, especially the one about ], you are way past 3 reverts. ] (]) 21:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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	~~(copyrighted~~ ~~text~~ ~~redacted~~ by ~~ErikHaugen~~ ~~22:19~~, 15 ~~September~~ ~~2010~~ ~~(UTC))~~ ~~<small><span~~ ~~class="autosigned">—Preceding~~ ] ~~comment~~ ~~added~~ by ] (] • ]) 22:10, 15 ~~September~~ ~~2010~~ (UTC)~~</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->~~		: Ah, I think I did, beg pardon. No, I'm not going to relist it, I think the close probably stands. FF to start another request. ] <small>(] \| ])</small> 17:44, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
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	: I tried to salvage ] the first time you made it, but it was deleted too fast. If you want to try again, I would put a link to this news article - - ''inside'' the new wikipedia article. Also, you're going to have to reword this, since all this text you pasted here is copyrighted. Please let me know if I can help. I suspect this subject may not meet the ] which are required for inclusion in wikipedia, though. Good luck, and thanks for working on this project! ] (]) 22:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

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	Hey, this article is a copy-paste of ]. That's why I've tagged it with ]. When you find time, could you please explain why you've changed speedy rationale to hoax. See the , when I added the tag. Cheers, ] <span style="color:blue">\|\|</span> ] 16:51, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
	: Because it is deliberately not true - it was modified to say that Caleb Pennington is the guy that Bruce Lee is. It isn't just a copy or about the same subject(A10), it is a hoax. I had tagged it as a hoax earlier and the author removed my tag. This is vandalism, not an innocent mistake. ] (]) 16:58, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
	:: I didn't tell that this is deliberately true or it is an innocent mistake. I only told that this article (]) is created by copying the contents of another article (]), and hence CSD A10. Compare both and you'll make out. Cheers, ] <span style="color:blue">\|\|</span> ] 17:47, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
	::: Compare the text: "Caleb Pennington (Chinese: 李小龍; pinyin: Lǐ Xiăolóng, born Lee Jun-fan ..." with the text from Bruce Lee: "Bruce Lee (Chinese: 李小龍; pinyin: Lǐ Xiăolóng, born Lee Jun-fan" - see, "Bruce Lee" has been substituted for "Caleb Pennington." It's a deliberate hoax. ] (]) 18:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
	:::: I agree, but the article with a prose size of 6560 words which was copied, he substituted only two words, a name. ] <span style="color:blue">\|\|</span> ] 18:20, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
	::::: It's true, and those words made it vandalism rather than an innocent mistake. This distinction is important, because it appears that this editor has done little with this account other than vandalism. I don't think a block would be appropriate at this point, but if more hoaxes are created then it probably will - but blocking for innocent, good faith, mistakes is much more problematic. A10 would be good if the author had in good faith created a page entitled ] and put content about Bruce Lee. Then, the appropriate response for us would be to educate and encourage. As it is, the appropriate response is probably ] if this happens again. ] (]) 18:29, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

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	thanks Erik for your assistance. I will see what kind of response I get from my "direct to user" request. I don't know if I would be allowed to rebuild the page - I didn't create it. I could start a new one, but wouldn't that just be conflict of interest? (although I can provide lots of sources this time)
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	:I took the pictures. I think that means I own the rights. I'll go about it as you suggested. Thanks!] (]) 06:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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	: I don't believe it was inappropriate to accept that edit. If you've read ] and ], particularly the part about what "likely to be challenged" means, and still feel that I should not have accepted this, then please help me understand. Thanks, ] (]) 17:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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	::::of which ] is prominently listed. Inertion of birthdates is particularly troublesome for the only marginally famous living people as regards to the potential dangers of identity theft. "Depending on the reason for pending protection" something that seems to be a reasonable number "number of goals scored" may or may not fall under the guidance for "pending", such claims as the number of goals would generally be easy to verify by any sports page, but commentary regarding "outstanding number of goals" ] / ] should not be accepted. ] ] ] 18:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
	:::::Ok, I'm not sure how to rephrase my question. You seem to agree that not every single date or number requires an inline citation, which seems different from what you said before. Do you still feel that I should not have accepted the edit? If not what is the difference between what I accepted and # of goals? ] (]) 18:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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	:::::::Huh. Well, it would be nice to see this spelled out somewhere - the current articles use the "likely to be challenged" test instead - and there are a lot of blps with "born" dates that do not have inline sources. Thanks, ] (]) 18:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

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	Hi there! I am in the process of filling in the gaps of ]. Would you mind giving me some time?] (]) 16:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
	: What do you mean by giving you some time? ] (]) 17:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
	:: I mean....do not delete the empty sections for the time being. Coz I am working on them right now. Just now I experienced an edit conflict coz you deleted the section I was working on. :)] (]) 17:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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	I am still working on the page, the one source I cited was from the Chicago Tribune which referenced WebEyeCare. There are other newspapers that also have referenced WebEyeCare that I can add to the list.

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	: It is important to have significant coverage rather than a passing mention. The ] has more about what will make an article well sourced and establish notability. More articles might help, but if they just mention WebEyeCare in passing like the Chicago Tribune article, they probably won't be considered enough to satisfy those guidelines. ] (]) 22:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

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	I received a message from you concerning my entry on Pete Marriott. If the sources are from Mr. Marriott himself, as I am a journalist who has interviewed him, how do I list that? The last time I updated other entries here on Misplaced Pages was in 2009, and I stayed away because it seems the information I added, all verifable, was disputed and removed. If I were to link to my website as a source of information, it's considered spam. Please let me know how to avoid these problems. Thank you. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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	Hey Erik, I think that you put a redirect on the Microsoft Whistler Page, Why?
	Also I am having trouble uploading a screenshot of the Whistler desktop. Help? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	: I put the redirect there because it seemed like it was about what I redirected to, and we already had a pretty detailed article. I don't think we need yet another article on XP in addition to ] and ] itself. Or is this about something else? Please feel free to revert, but I would appreciate it if you left a note on the ] explaining why (unless it becomes obvious with your edit, of course) - thanks! Per , I don't think you can upload a screenshot of it without permission from Microsoft. ] (]) 00:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
	:: Oh. I upploaded the image to the Commons, and can be viewed here: <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::: Then what are you asking me for help with? And did you read ? ] (]) 00:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
	:::: No, I can't figure out how to display it on wikipedia. --] (]) 01:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
	::::: You just put this on the page: <nowiki>]</nowiki>, but I wouldn't do it because that image is probably going to get deleted soon. Please read . ] (]) 01:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
	:::::: Hmm - just noticed this: - you might want to emulate this. (Also consider .png, please). ] (]) 01:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
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	:Thanks for the note. I certainly don't want to scare anyone off, so I appreciate it. Are you talking in particular about the {{tl\|Cite web}} template that I added? ] (]) 04:32, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
	::No, just the timing of the unreferenced tag. You also added a solid category to the article, so I know you're trying to help both the user and the encyclopedia. Can you just wait an hour or so, from their last edit, when dealing with articles by newbie, good faith editors, creating, or trying to create, encyclopedic content? You can usually tell it's worth checking a contributions history by the type of article created, the topic, the writing. --] (]) 05:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
	::I think you moved the web citations, also, which was correct, as it was to the subject of the article. --] (]) 05:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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	: Before tagging an article I usually mark it as patrolled so that it does not show up , as a courtesy to other npps. I realize this commits me, in a sense, to addressing various issues with the article, such as blp - notice the {{tl\|BLPUnreferenced}} I put on it shortly thereafter - or various csd issues, etc. "An article consisting of "wwe" in its entirety should not have been marked as patrolled without an appropriate issue tag. Give the editor due time to establish content before marking as patrolled, then when appropriate, mark and tag. Thanks." - I don't know what you mean or what guidelines you're appealing to or what problems I'm causing; if I'm doing something that you feel is problematic please elaborate. Are you hanging out at ] and double checking npps' work? ] (]) 08:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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Tigray move

Hi, I don't think my message in Talk:Tigray (disambiguation)#Requested move 30 September 2023 was interpreted correctly - this was an argument against the move, and it wasn't addressed or refuted by anyone. Can you revert and relist it instead, please? --Joy (talk) 14:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I think I did, beg pardon. No, I'm not going to relist it, I think the close probably stands. FF to start another request. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:44, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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