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== Controversy == |
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I think that the new controversy about his links to the expansion of Israel into Palestine be brought up considering that there is now sufficient evidence supporting this claim. >> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/07/201071834019513292.html <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The video, and several sources regarding it, is already mentioned and cited in the article. ] (]) 02:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC) |
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== Important information == |
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== Is it "Benjamin" or "Binyamin"? == |
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The information removed is very important, relevant and sourced. There is no reason to remove it. --] (]) 13:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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In the economist article it keeps referring to him as '''Binyamin Netanyahu''' so which one is it? "Benjamin" or "Binyamin"? |
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Huggy82, There is nothing in the source that suggests that "Ha'aretz citation was not 100% sure whether Mr. Netanyahu said this or not.". Its his position about the attacks. --] (]) 13:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC) |
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https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2024/09/19/israels-government-is-again-trying-to-hobble-its-supreme-court |
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] (]) 13:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:@] Binyamin is the Hebrew pronunciation and spelling of the name Benjamin which is where the name originates from. Netanyahu is named after the biblical figure ] whose name was spelled as Binyamin. ] 02:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== A Boston Accent? What??! == |
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:@] The economist frequently uses esoteric spellings of foreign words for some reason. I remember in a recent issue they also had a really odd spelling of Hezbollah. |
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:] (]) 13:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Why is his birth name (Benzion Mileikowsky) not mentioned in the article? |
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The article states that Prime Minister Netanyahu spent six of his formative years in Cheltenham, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia. Then it states that: “To this day, he speaks English with a Boston accent.” What is the correlation there? I live in a section of Philadelphia very close to Cheltenham (and my brother lives in Cheltenham), and I can assure one and all that anyone who is even reasonably adept in recognizing regional accents would never mistake a Philly accent for a Boston one! We are nasal, rapid speaking (like Chris Matthews), clipped and we do not pronounce our “r”s quite as distinctively as either New Yorkers or Bostonians. The actor Kevin Bacon has the archetypical Philadelphia accent, notwithstanding his coming from an upper crust family of Quaker heritage. (His late father had been an illustrious city planner and prominent in Philadelphia society for many years.) |
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] (]) 20:25, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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While I served in the U.S. Navy, I got to be reasonably skillful at detecting various regional accents, having met people from all over the country. I could always pick the right area of the country and often the correct state. Listening to Mr. Netanyahu speak English, I would say he sounds Philadelphian, though slightly influenced by his native Hebrew, though I wouldn’t call that foreign influence profound enough to label him as one with a foreign accent; one of the few non-native American English speakers I have ever heard to hold that distinction. I attribute that to his having resided here for a couple years at a young age. |
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== Convicted War Criminal == |
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One wonders if Israelis consider him as speaking Hebrew with an American accent. It is said that Napoleon, from Corsica, spoke Italian with a French accent and French with an Italian one. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I always thought it was New York or maybe Boston, with some Israeli thrown in.--] (]) 07:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::I changed it to "American accent". The book it's taken from is a history book, not a linguistics book, and can't be considered a ] for linguistic questions. The authors obviously don't know what a Boston accent sounds like, and anyhow where would he have gotten a Boston accent, having grown up in Pennsylvania? It just makes no sense. ] (]) 06:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC) |
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The article needs to mention that he is a convicted war criminal with arrest orders by the ICC. ] (]) 06:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Section blanking/removal of well sourced information == |
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:{{Already done}}: It already says that in the article. ] (]|]) 14:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Removal of well sourced and important information such as this without any explanation, does not serve the purposes of an encyclopedia. Please discuss any issues you have with the information here first. --] (]) 15:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:{{Not done}}: Please provide ] that support the change you want to be made. An arrest warrant has been issued, however, as of today, he has yet to be convicted by the ICC. ] (]) 15:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== request for removal == |
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== Birthplace == |
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the international reactions to the bar-ilan speech is completly biased. 7/10 reactions are arab, and 8/10 are negative. its time to make it 50/50. END BIAS ARTICLES NOW--] (]) 20:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC) |
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: If the World thinks this way, it is not bias to include it in the article. ] (]) 04:21, 26 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Where was he born? ] (]) 16:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Tel Aviv ] (]) 11:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Cohanim? == |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 December 2024 == |
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He is Cohanim or not Cohanim? |
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Also, what percentage of Rabbis are Cohanim? ] (]) 04:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:most likely a similar to percentage to non-rabbi ]s. perhaps the data can be teased out somewhere at ].--'']] ]'' 21:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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== Fact tags == |
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ADD reference and context |
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Please do not remove fact tags from unsourced content. --] (]) 23:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC) |
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* | Teaser | Watch Now on Jolt.film - ] |
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* - Jolt Film |
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<ref name="variety/1236180800">{{cite web |last1=Morfoot |first1=Addie |title=‘The Bibi Files’ – the Docu That Benjamin Netanyahu Doesn’t Want You to See – to Launch on Jolt (EXCLUSIVE) |url=https://variety.com/2024/film/news/the-bibi-files-netanyahu-launch-jolt-1236180800/ |website=Variety |access-date=17 December 2024 |date=21 October 2024}}</ref> |
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An image with his country's flag in the background is preferable. -] (]) 14:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC) |
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<ref name="hollywoodreporter/1236044555">{{cite news |last1=Kilkenny |first1=Katie |title=‘The Bibi Files’ to Distribute on Jolt: “A Lot of the Major Outlets Just Were Nervous” |url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-bibi-files-benjamin-netanyahu-documentary-stream-jolt-1236044555/ |access-date=17 December 2024 |work=] |date=24 October 2024}}</ref> |
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== Joe Lockhart quote == |
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<ref name="haaretz/bibi-files-stream-jolt">{{cite news |last1=Anderman |first1=Nirit |title=After a High-profile Launch, 'The Bibi Files' Will Stream Exclusively on Jolt |url=https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-10-22/ty-article/.premium/after-a-high-profile-launch-the-bibi-files-will-stream-exclusively-on-jolt/00000192-b577-d006-a5b3-fffff46c0000 |access-date=17 December 2024 |work=] |archive-url=<!-- https://web.archive.org/web/20241217011111/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-10-22/ty-article/.premium/after-a-high-profile-launch-the-bibi-files-will-stream-exclusively-on-jolt/%2A -->https://archive.is/NsAgw |archive-date=October 22, 2024}}</ref> |
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Noon, can you please explain why you removed this quote? Its notable and its from a reliable source. --] (]) 15:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Read the entire ] and then come back here.--'']] ]'' 20:43, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::You have not provided a reason for removing the quote in your comment. It is NPOV - presented as Joe Lockhart describing Netanyahu, it is Verifiable - from a reliable source, and there is no OR - quotation and presentation is exactly as in the source. Therefor it is in accordance with Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons. --] (]) 20:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:Does this even need to be explained to you? Please stop the ]. Obvious ] violation - just absurd name calling.] (]) 20:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::Please explain how its "WP:BATLLEGROUND" or a "BLP violation" ? --] (]) 20:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Putting in a derogatory quote from a political opponent is a clear BLP violation. You have been warned several times about this. Do it again and you'll be blocked. ] (]) 21:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::There is nothing in the BLP policy that says that a quote from a reliable source presented in a npov manner is a BLP violation. How do you know I have been "warned several times about this" ? And I will ad it again if I cant get a reply to my questions above. --] (]) 22:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::: I can read - three different editors, on this page have warned you it is a clear BLP violation- add it again and you be reported, immediately. POV pushers like yourself need to be banned form wikipedia. ] (]) 22:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::And these "three editors" have all failed to prove that its a BLP violation. --] (]) 22:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::You've been referred to ]. Read it. Among other things it says "Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources,''' so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone.''' and "BLPs should be '''written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone'''" . You are violation so many parts of that policy that it's a wonder you haven't been blocked yet, but it probably not far off. ] (]) 22:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::Reliable secondary source - Haaretz, "so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone." - exact quote and "White House spokesman Joe Lockhart describing Benyamin Netanyahu", nothing unresponsible, uncautiously or passionate tone here. --] (]) 23:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::The fact that you are quoting this partisan, unbalanced personal insult "exactly" does not mean it is presented "responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone." Look up the meaning of those words in a dictionary if they confuse you. Alternatively, go ahead and edit war this back into the article - nothing would please me more than to see you blocked. ] (]) 23:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Shanghai Sally, I think your comments have crossed the Wikiquette line. You should consider removing statements such as "it's a wonder you haven't been blocked yet, but it probably not far off" and "nothing would please me more than to see you blocked." <span style="font-family: Perpetua, serif; font-size:120%"> ← ] </span> 00:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::What's your opinion of an editor who repeatedly inserts a BLP-violating slur into an article, and feigns ignorance as to with what's wrong with it? ] (]) 00:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::Apolgies for being sanctimonious and nit-picking, but, of course, article talk pages aren't the place to express opinions about editors. The actions of editors, maybe, but the editors themselves, no. As for the offending quote, I think that, without context, it should stay out of the article. The reaction that Netanyahu provoked in the Clinton White House is, the US being Israel's most important ally, very noteworthy. I think that, in a section about that, the quotes of Clinton and his spokesman would definitely be legitimate. But, including either without context, especially the latter, is, in my opinion, not. <span style="font-family: Perpetua, serif; font-size:120%"> ← ] </span> 10:37, 6 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:I am not sure what you are trying to request, please be more specific ] (]) 08:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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==Bar-Ilan Speech== |
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Reference #99, which is supposed to lead to a transcript of the Bar-Ilan speech is broken. Does anyone have a new link for a full transcript of the speech? ] (]) 13:04, 15 December 2010 (UTC) |
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Already done: It already says that in the article. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 14:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. An arrest warrant has been issued, however, as of today, he has yet to be convicted by the ICC. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 15:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
