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| The result of the debate was '''delete'''. 11 deletes including nom, not including anon, 3 keeps. ] 04:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Dubious claims, may be vanity or hoax ] ] 01:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | Dubious claims, may be vanity or hoax ] ] 01:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
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| - '''Delete''' - not notable, and am doubtful about the claims. --] 01:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | - '''Delete''' - not notable, and am doubtful about the claims. --] 01:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| - '''Keep''' - Misplaced Pages must '''Keep''' this article. Bowery is a very interesting man, a United States patent holder in rocket science-related areas, sponsors space prizes out of his own pocket, and spends most of his time researching and writing with notable acclaim and is very controversial, hence someone voted for deletion. |
- '''Keep''' - Misplaced Pages must '''Keep''' this article. Bowery is a very interesting man, a United States patent holder in rocket science-related areas, sponsors space prizes out of his own pocket, and spends most of his time researching and writing with notable acclaim and is very controversial, hence someone voted for deletion. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | ||
| - '''Delete''' - He invented e-mail, PostScript, VR and chat, and he's the closest living relative to the Kennewick man? Should we also list every guy who believes he's Napoleon? ] 02:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | - '''Delete''' - He invented e-mail, PostScript, VR and chat, and he's the closest living relative to the Kennewick man? Should we also list every guy who believes he's Napoleon? ] 02:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' Even with the self-promotional personality described in the webpage he only has around 800 google hits, and only about 200 for google groups. Seems to be a highly non-notable self-promoting megalomaniac. ] |
*'''Delete''' Even with the self-promotional personality described in the webpage he only has around 800 google hits, and only about 200 for google groups. Seems to be a highly non-notable self-promoting megalomaniac. ] Keep, bu02:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Abstain''' Try searching under 'Jim Bowery' instead; over 4000 hits for author:'Jim Bowery'. Bowery is a net.kook of great vintage, but he attempts to hide his history. This article wasn't written by him, either, but by his detractors (except for the small revision by ]). Since I count myself among his detractors, I abstain. ] 06:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | *'''Abstain''' Try searching under 'Jim Bowery' instead; over 4000 hits for author:'Jim Bowery'. Bowery is a net.kook of great vintage, but he attempts to hide his history. This article wasn't written by him, either, but by his detractors (except for the small revision by ]). Since I count myself among his detractors, I abstain. ] 06:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' Just looking at his website asserts NN. Vanity article. --< |
*'''Delete''' Just looking at his website asserts NN. Vanity article. --] <sup> ]</sup> 02:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''': per nom. —] (]) 02:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''': per nom. —] (]) 02:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' per nom. ] - <b>< |
*'''Delete''' per nom. ] - <b><span style="color:#FF0000;">St</span><span style="color:#FF5500;">ar</span><span style="color:#FF8000;">bli</span><span style="color:#FFC000;">nd</span></b> 02:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| Also don't forget need to delete his redirect ] also. ] 02:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | Also don't forget need to delete his redirect ] also. ] 02:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' as above.] | ] 02:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' as above.] | ] 02:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' per nom. < |
*'''Delete''' per nom. ] 04:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' and watch - had to think long and hard on this one - to my mind he is more notable than not but article does read like a vanity page. Nothing stopping those interested in adjusting the article style and linking to what appears to be a number of notable external links. If we can have a other ''loopy'' articles we can have this one but it needs to be de-vanity(ised)! ]]]]]] 06:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Weak keep''' This needs to be NPOV'ed as the article mentions merely in passing the subject's contribution to the Internet and electronic comms whilst dwelling on the shadier aspects of the biography. I don't feel that this is truly representative of the subject as it currently stands. ] 07:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''No vote''' I can't find evidence that he invented PostScript, although he did write a document analyzing PostScript's evolution from FORTH; . If this gets kept, it will need to be rewritten for POV, as the current version seems to really downplay his White Nationalist views; see , also (straight from the horse's mouth) . ] 16:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Weak keep''' There are some things that ring true. For example, he is listed here http://www.platopeople.com/people.html so there is some corroboration of evidence. He is actually the rightmost person on the third picture in the second row here: http://www.platopeople.com/index.html Much of the other claims are unverified; even the author, Bowery, is offering rewards for disproof of his claims. It is possible that some of the emails may be fake, but as much of his claims come from being highly involved with the PLATO system, and that has been coroborrated, it should be kept, with the caveat that it needs further verification, IMO ] 17:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Comment''' I ''knew'' that someone other than this guy was normally credited with the invention of email, but I couldn't recall his name earlier. 'Twas ] (who had a working email system when Bowery was just 17). ] 19:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *<s>'''No vote'''</s>. Is this the ] who occasionally posts racist screeds to ]? I have no real interest or non-public resources to verify any more of this, but I can vouch for the existence of someone named "Baldrson" who may hold views such as are described on that site. Whether this makes him notable enough, I have no opinion. - ] 19:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*'''Delete''' (change vote); he says he's not noteworthy enough for an article: good enough for me. ] 04:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *<s>'''No vote'''</s>: (in)famous kuro5hin troll (sometimes interesting). He is one of authors of Javascript framework Tibet (think something of Ajax but w/o the hype) so his technology claims could true. ] 22:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **'''Comment''': There are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of internet trolls, posters and bloggers, many very prolific and controversial, but readership confined to a few sites or message boards. Doesn't make them notable. Are his career achievements notable enough to deserve an article? No. ] 02:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **'''Comment''': As with many of the other statements attributed to me, it is a bit of an exaggeration to claim I am "one of the authors of TIBET". As my resume clearly states: "2001 Originated the idea and technical approach for TIBET(tm) method inference and multiple inheritance algorithms." ] 02:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Changed vote to '''delete''' per request of the person. The "author of Tibet" was sentence from my head, I didn't check for exact wording. ] 16:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''': I don't think that there has been enough public notariety of my work to justify a Misplaced Pages article about me. While I view my accomplishments as significant enough and verifiable with reasonably accessible private sources, there are only 2 times I've made it into the mainstream press and only 1 article published by me in a major publication. ] 02:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :So, why don't you put this on your user page, instead? -- ] 02:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::What is at issue is an article about me, not my WP user page ] 02:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::It does not appear that he started the article. What he wants to put on his user page is his business. :) ] 04:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' - per nom. --] 01:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Comment''': Isn't it time up for a decision? ] 22:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Latest revision as of 13:19, 16 March 2023
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was delete. 11 deletes including nom, not including anon, 3 keeps. Chick Bowen 04:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
James Bowery
Dubious claims, may be vanity or hoax sannse (talk) 01:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - not notable, and am doubtful about the claims. --149.169.52.67 01:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - Misplaced Pages must Keep this article. Bowery is a very interesting man, a United States patent holder in rocket science-related areas, sponsors space prizes out of his own pocket, and spends most of his time researching and writing with notable acclaim and is very controversial, hence someone voted for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Better_Than_You_At_Everything (talk • contribs)
- Delete - He invented e-mail, PostScript, VR and chat, and he's the closest living relative to the Kennewick man? Should we also list every guy who believes he's Napoleon? Fan1967 02:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Even with the self-promotional personality described in the webpage he only has around 800 google hits, and only about 200 for google groups. Seems to be a highly non-notable self-promoting megalomaniac. JoshuaZ Keep, bu02:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Abstain Try searching under 'Jim Bowery' instead; over 4000 hits for author:'Jim Bowery'. Bowery is a net.kook of great vintage, but he attempts to hide his history. This article wasn't written by him, either, but by his detractors (except for the small revision by JABowery). Since I count myself among his detractors, I abstain. Rpresser 06:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Just looking at his website asserts NN. Vanity article. --† Ðy§ep§ion † 02:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Also don't forget need to delete his redirect Baldrson also. JoshuaZ 02:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as above.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Cyde Weys 04:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep and watch - had to think long and hard on this one - to my mind he is more notable than not but article does read like a vanity page. Nothing stopping those interested in adjusting the article style and linking to what appears to be a number of notable external links. If we can have a other loopy articles we can have this one but it needs to be de-vanity(ised)!
VirtualSteve 06:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak keep This needs to be NPOV'ed as the article mentions merely in passing the subject's contribution to the Internet and electronic comms whilst dwelling on the shadier aspects of the biography. I don't feel that this is truly representative of the subject as it currently stands. (aeropagitica) 07:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- No vote I can't find evidence that he invented PostScript, although he did write a document analyzing PostScript's evolution from FORTH; Google results for PostScript "jim bowery". If this gets kept, it will need to be rewritten for POV, as the current version seems to really downplay his White Nationalist views; see , also (straight from the horse's mouth) . ergot 16:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Weak keep There are some things that ring true. For example, he is listed here http://www.platopeople.com/people.html so there is some corroboration of evidence. He is actually the rightmost person on the third picture in the second row here: http://www.platopeople.com/index.html Much of the other claims are unverified; even the author, Bowery, is offering rewards for disproof of his claims. It is possible that some of the emails may be fake, but as much of his claims come from being highly involved with the PLATO system, and that has been coroborrated, it should be kept, with the caveat that it needs further verification, IMO Avi 17:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I knew that someone other than this guy was normally credited with the invention of email, but I couldn't recall his name earlier. 'Twas Ray Tomlinson (who had a working email system when Bowery was just 17). ergot 19:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
No vote. Is this the internet troll who occasionally posts racist screeds to kuro5hin.org? I have no real interest or non-public resources to verify any more of this, but I can vouch for the existence of someone named "Baldrson" who may hold views such as are described on that site. Whether this makes him notable enough, I have no opinion. - Smerdis of Tlön 19:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete (change vote); he says he's not noteworthy enough for an article: good enough for me. Smerdis of Tlön 04:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
No vote: (in)famous kuro5hin troll (sometimes interesting). He is one of authors of Javascript framework Tibet (think something of Ajax but w/o the hype) so his technology claims could true. Pavel Vozenilek 22:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)- Comment: There are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of internet trolls, posters and bloggers, many very prolific and controversial, but readership confined to a few sites or message boards. Doesn't make them notable. Are his career achievements notable enough to deserve an article? No. Fan1967 02:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: As with many of the other statements attributed to me, it is a bit of an exaggeration to claim I am "one of the authors of TIBET". As my resume clearly states: "2001 Originated the idea and technical approach for TIBET(tm) method inference and multiple inheritance algorithms." Jim Bowery 02:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Changed vote to delete per request of the person. The "author of Tibet" was sentence from my head, I didn't check for exact wording. Pavel Vozenilek 16:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't think that there has been enough public notariety of my work to justify a Misplaced Pages article about me. While I view my accomplishments as significant enough and verifiable with reasonably accessible private sources, there are only 2 times I've made it into the mainstream press and only 1 article published by me in a major publication. Jim Bowery 02:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- So, why don't you put this on your user page, instead? -- Avi 02:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- What is at issue is an article about me, not my WP user page Jim Bowery 02:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- It does not appear that he started the article. What he wants to put on his user page is his business. :) Smerdis of Tlön 04:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom. --Pigs Dying 01:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Isn't it time up for a decision? Jim Bowery 22:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.