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== Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
For now, I think we should be working on the 10-12 provinces that are need of expansion. Ive listed them on the main page here.--] 00:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC) | |||
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] <sub> '']''</sub> 18:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
Im also thinking that Afghanistan's provincial pages also need help. After all, Afghanistan, Azarbaijan, and the Central Asian Republics are all cultural satellites of Iran.--] 23:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC) | |||
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 21:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
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===Economy of Iran=== | |||
This project seems to prefer English discussion of ancient Persia in relation to the Greeks versus discussion of, y'know, Iran. Makes sense, I guess, since Iran proper probably doesn't appreciate Misplaced Pages very much and can borrow Great Firewall tech from China but probably should be its own separate Persian Empire Wikiproject. | |||
The ] article needs to be formatted and then expanded. Any help would be appreciated. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
In any case, if any of you ''can'' read Farsi, the history section at ] is a bit of a mess. The few English sources on the place's history list prior names that other English sources attribute to a different nearby city. The name is derived from textile verbs in English but an Iranian source somehow attributes it to the place's location between two rivers. &c. &c. &c. Everyone else on the English net mentioning this city seems to be copying us and our unsourced probably mistakes, so it could really benefit from some cleanup from the ''Encyclopedia Iranica'' or similar Persian sources. — ] 11:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Persian vs. Iranian == | |||
Ugh... There is an ''EI'' article that covers Rasht but it apparently sucks at a historical level. It pretends the city began in the 14th century, while the article on its province notes that Muslim apostles to the area were being buried "in Rasht" in the 10th century. — ] 13:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
Could you, if you will, please have a look into the following dispute on the Zoroastrian talk page. | |||
== Iran-related hoax? == | |||
] | |||
Please see ]. If true, would be oldest hoax article on Wiki :) <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 04:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
Thanks in advance. ] 10:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
== ] featured? == | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 23:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
Could we set a goal of this project as getting ] to featured status? The original FAC nomination mentioned this WikiProject, and the article being featured on the main page would be a huge boon to Iran-related topics and certainly make Misplaced Pages a "premier resource" on Iran. (I am currently soliciting feedback; if there are no significant objections I will add it to the project page.) --] ] 23:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 23:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
==Official source for presidential election results== | |||
:Done. --] ] 22:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
Is there an official source or database for the results of presidential elections? For most of the elections, the results from different sources are quite different, so it would be good to have a definitive source. Cheers, ] ]] 22:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== Fazlollah Zahedi == | |||
Hello. Looking at this page, I cannot verify that this place exists. Can anyone provide a source that discusses or shows that this place exists? Thanks in advance---] (]) 19:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
I moved it to Draft space so someone can add one or two sources to make it ready for main space. ----] (]) 01:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
Could somebody please take a look at ], as the story of the coup appears to be at odds with what is said elsewhere (see ]). Also, I'm surprised there isn't an article on the coup itself (I suppose ] comes close). ] <sup>]</sup> 10:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
:Im not competent to write on that topic. I know nothing about it. Unfortunately.--] 22:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
== Iran on IDRIVE == | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 19:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Help needed at ], re addition of Persian name and concerns of circular sourcing == | |||
I'm considering putting ] on ] to help get it featured in a more timely fashion--plus it'll be improved by editors who may not usually be around the Iran corner of Misplaced Pages. Soliciting feedback… --] ] 22:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
Your input would be appreciated at ]. Summaries of the dispute and discussion thread ]. Thanks! <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">☿ ] (] ])</span> 15:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Good idea to me.--] 04:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Is Parsijoo alive? == | ||
], is this reachable within Iran? ] (]) 04:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
Here are a few ideas for filling up empty sections on the portal: | |||
== Significant changes in Asoristan == | |||
* Life in Iran (article on culture,arts,cuisine, etc.) | |||
* Selected Iranian | |||
* Quote | |||
* "In the spotlight" <- article about something in news | |||
There have been significant changes / content removal from ] by a new editor. If somebody could look them over, and evaluate, that would be great. -- ] (]) 18:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
== ] == | |||
== Template:History of Iran == | |||
Starting this July, we will see a new contest on the scene - the Developing Countries WikiContest (])! Think of it as a ] but only for articles and media on developing countries. | |||
Islamic republic of Iran is listed under 'Empires of Iran'! this was pointed out when the Persian empire article was put up for 'featured articles'.. I think it needs a little fixing. --] 15:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== What needs to be done? == | |||
Iran is listed as a developing country for the purposes of this contest and articles related to it are eligible to be submitted for points, so I encourage everyone here to sign up and compete with editors from around the world to create high-quality content! | |||
I'm willing to participate in this project and currently I'm disambiguating links to <nowiki> ] </nowiki>. Could someone let me know what needs to be done in this project? ] 19:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
Append your name to the ] today! | |||
== Getting ] featured == | |||
Best wishes, ] (<small><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small>) 07:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
Should we address all the issues and try again? ] (]) 23:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
== History stub == | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 19:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Help request == | |||
Do we need another page for Iran history stubs? I found a number of them which I addedd to <nowiki>{{iran-stub}}</nowiki>. ] 23:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
Can anyone help please at ]. ] (]) 19:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Heja Helweda, Diyako, Aucaman == | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
These three users are on some sort of anti-Iranian crusade vandalizing all the Iranian and Persian related articles. We need to keep an eye on their " edit activities" as their intentions is not sincere but merely for the purpose of propagating false information. | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 09:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 01:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Afsaneh Salari == | |||
Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at ] and assess it per ]? The article was originally submitted as a draft to ], but was declined. The creator then moved essentially the same declined version to the mainspace themselves, but it was draftied for the reasons given at ]. The creator then moved it back to the mainspace. I asked an administrator who posts at ] about this at ] and it was suggested that ] would need to be next step if the subject doesn't meet ]. ] doing that, I'd thought I see whether anyone else feels this ] and just needs better sourcing (perhaps even sources not in English). -- ] (]) 22:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Wikiproject == | |||
Would anyone be interested in joining a sub project of ] on ]? ] (]) 19:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Ali Tajernia == | |||
] needs attention. All of the sources are currently in Persian, and he was born in 1348, which I assume is in the Iranian calendar. ]'''|'''] 10:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 18:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 12:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 22:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Requested move at ] == | |||
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] 04:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 21:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Question about random Iranian villages == | |||
Why are there SO MANY it is insane just a question WHY SO MANY ] (]) 01:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 21:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Anyone willing to do a search in Farsi? == | |||
Hello! There's a Persian related film up for deletion and it looks like if sources do exist, they are not in English. Can someone take a look? The film in question is ]. There's possibly nothing out there, but worth asking. Part of my reason for reaching out is that the film might not be called the same thing in Farsi, as I tried finding the film by using Google Translate and found nothing substantial. ]<small>(formerly Tokyogirl79)</small>] 13:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Fixing widespread over-capitalization of "Province" == | |||
It seems that we used to capitalize "Province" a lot where "province" is the more appropriate per guidelines such as ]. The titles of Iranian province articles were all fixed nearly 3 years ago per ], but there are still tons of uses, links especially, that are unnecessarily capitalized. Any objection to getting a bot working on fixing those? See discussion at ] for my proposal to do this as an AWB task. ] (]) 16:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
I'll take this as "no objection" to lowercase "province" generally, via bot fixing, unless someone responds soon that I should give it more time. ] (]) 05:12, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 19:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Good article reassessment for Ionian RevoltIonian Revolt has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 18:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC) Good article reassessment for Achaemenid AssyriaAchaemenid Assyria has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC) Talk:RashtThis project seems to prefer English discussion of ancient Persia in relation to the Greeks versus discussion of, y'know, Iran. Makes sense, I guess, since Iran proper probably doesn't appreciate Misplaced Pages very much and can borrow Great Firewall tech from China but probably should be its own separate Persian Empire Wikiproject. In any case, if any of you can read Farsi, the history section at Rasht is a bit of a mess. The few English sources on the place's history list prior names that other English sources attribute to a different nearby city. The name is derived from textile verbs in English but an Iranian source somehow attributes it to the place's location between two rivers. &c. &c. &c. Everyone else on the English net mentioning this city seems to be copying us and our unsourced probably mistakes, so it could really benefit from some cleanup from the Encyclopedia Iranica or similar Persian sources. — LlywelynII 11:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC) Ugh... There is an EI article that covers Rasht but it apparently sucks at a historical level. It pretends the city began in the 14th century, while the article on its province notes that Muslim apostles to the area were being buried "in Rasht" in the 10th century. — LlywelynII 13:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC) Iran-related hoax?Please see Wikipedia_talk:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia#The_Encyclopedia_of_Iranian_Old_Music. If true, would be oldest hoax article on Wiki :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC) Requested move at Talk:2024 Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus#Requested move 2 April 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus#Requested move 2 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Requested move at Talk:Attack on the Azerbaijani Embassy in Tehran#Requested move 7 April 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Attack on the Azerbaijani Embassy in Tehran#Requested move 7 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Official source for presidential election resultsIs there an official source or database for the results of presidential elections? For most of the elections, the results from different sources are quite different, so it would be good to have a definitive source. Cheers, Number 57 22:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC) Poshtkuh-e ShamilHello. Looking at this page, I cannot verify that this place exists. Can anyone provide a source that discusses or shows that this place exists? Thanks in advance---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC) I moved it to Draft space so someone can add one or two sources to make it ready for main space. ----Steve Quinn (talk) 01:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC) Requested move at Talk:2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel#Requested move 13 April 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel#Requested move 13 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)Requested move at Talk:2024 Iranian strikes in Israel#Requested move 14 April 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Iranian strikes in Israel#Requested move 14 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Help needed at Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz, re addition of Persian name and concerns of circular sourcingYour input would be appreciated at Talk:Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz#Sources for the name Piruz Nahavandi. Summaries of the dispute and discussion thread may be found here. Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 15:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC) Is Parsijoo alive?Parsijoo, is this reachable within Iran? Greatder (talk) 04:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC) Significant changes in AsoristanThere have been significant changes / content removal from Asoristan by a new editor. If somebody could look them over, and evaluate, that would be great. -- Whpq (talk) 18:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC) Developing Countries WikiContestStarting this July, we will see a new contest on the scene - the Developing Countries WikiContest (WP:DCWC)! Think of it as a WikiCup but only for articles and media on developing countries. Competitors may submit GAs, GTs, FAs, FTs, FLs, FPs, and DYK and ITN entries from/on developing countries to gain points and climb the leaderboard. Points are also awarded to those who review GAs, FAs and FLs. Iran is listed as a developing country for the purposes of this contest and articles related to it are eligible to be submitted for points, so I encourage everyone here to sign up and compete with editors from around the world to create high-quality content! Append your name to the DCWC signup page today! Best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (/my edits) 07:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC) Requested move at Talk:2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash#Requested move 19 May 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash#Requested move 19 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Help requestCan anyone help please at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 21#'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawi. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC) Requested move at Talk:Israel in the Iran–Iraq War#Requested move 16 May 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israel in the Iran–Iraq War#Requested move 16 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Requested move at Talk:BRICS#Requested move 23 June 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:BRICS#Requested move 23 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 01:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Afsaneh SalariCould someone from this WikiProject take a look at Afsaneh Salari and assess it per WP:BIO? The article was originally submitted as a draft to WP:AfC, but was declined. The creator then moved essentially the same declined version to the mainspace themselves, but it was draftied for the reasons given at User talk:Mr.izadpanah#Draftification of Afsaneh Salari. The creator then moved it back to the mainspace. I asked an administrator who posts at WT:AFC about this at User talk:Primefac#Afsaneh Salari and it was suggested that WP:AfD would need to be next step if the subject doesn't meet WP:N. WP:BEFORE doing that, I'd thought I see whether anyone else feels this WP:NEXISTS and just needs better sourcing (perhaps even sources not in English). -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC) WikiprojectWould anyone be interested in joining a sub project of WP:Anthropology on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 19:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC) Ali TajerniaAli Tajernia needs attention. All of the sources are currently in Persian, and he was born in 1348, which I assume is in the Iranian calendar. Snowman304|talk 10:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC) Good article reassessment for Battle of PlataeaBattle of Plataea has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 18:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC) Requested move at Talk:2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash#Requested move 1 September 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash#Requested move 1 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Women in Green's October 2024 edit-a-thonHello WikiProject Iran: WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2024! We hope to see you there! Grnrchst (talk) 11:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Good article reassessment for Artaxerxes IIIArtaxerxes III has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC) Requested move at Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom)#Requested move 9 September 2024There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom)#Requested move 9 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 04:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Good article reassessment for HezbollahHezbollah has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. It is a wonderful world (talk) 21:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC) Question about random Iranian villagesWhy are there SO MANY it is insane just a question WHY SO MANY 100.11.110.92 (talk) 01:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC) Good article reassessment for CarrotCarrot has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 21:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC) Anyone willing to do a search in Farsi?Hello! There's a Persian related film up for deletion and it looks like if sources do exist, they are not in English. Can someone take a look? The film in question is Nations Cultures. There's possibly nothing out there, but worth asking. Part of my reason for reaching out is that the film might not be called the same thing in Farsi, as I tried finding the film by using Google Translate and found nothing substantial. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 13:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC) Fixing widespread over-capitalization of "Province"It seems that we used to capitalize "Province" a lot where "province" is the more appropriate per guidelines such as WP:MOS. The titles of Iranian province articles were all fixed nearly 3 years ago per Talk:Alborz province#Requested move 24 January 2022, but there are still tons of uses, links especially, that are unnecessarily capitalized. Any objection to getting a bot working on fixing those? See discussion at Misplaced Pages:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks#50K articles with over-capitalized "Province" for my proposal to do this as an AWB task. Dicklyon (talk) 16:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC) I'll take this as "no objection" to lowercase "province" generally, via bot fixing, unless someone responds soon that I should give it more time. Dicklyon (talk) 05:12, 15 December 2024 (UTC) Good article reassessment for Battle of ThermopylaeBattle of Thermopylae has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |