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== Gjirokastër == | |||
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Your revert on Gjirokastër is plain desperate. Do not delete other sources and other sourced information in fear of trying to remove the greek minority. Its already mentioned the greek minority recognised by any albanian and we do not care to turn wikipedia into a propagandistic platform. The anti communist movement is a whole albanian movement politically there was nothing ethnic going on. They were democrats no matter the ethnicity. Otherwise i would be obligated to report this revert. ] (]) 16:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Please, can you give a hand in the new Greeks galley picture? I am looking for skilled-hand editors so as to perform the chart. I am not that skilled myself in drawing charts. | |||
:Looking at your contribs, almost every single one of your edits is intended to minimise or erase any mention of the Greek minority in Albania. Don't bother denying it, it's plain as day. You literally do nothing else around here. So, go ahead and "report" whatever you want, just be aware that it likely ]. ] (]) 16:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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:Btw, I don't disagree regarding the Hoxha statue, but the rest of your edits on that article were provocative and problematic. ] (]) 16:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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If you dont disagree regarding the issue on Hoxha statue what is the problem then. You even are reverting the name misspell. And deleting other sources that i am puting. ] (]) 18:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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I repeat the greek minority its already mentioned. Nobody is deleting the minority. But the statue demolition had no ethnic purposes. ] (]) 18:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Also your source doesnt mention that it was the ethnic greeks the ones who destroyed the statue. It was the last statue to be destroyed in Albania ] (]) 19:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Because you removed the pic of the polyphonic group, and the similarities to Mount Pelion houses. Did you forget that? You are just going around removing anything that you don't like it, and that's not ok. ] (]) 19:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I'll do my best, though I have never done this before, so it may take me some time. I too want it to end, but it seems there are some people ''determined'' to prevent it from happening. I mean look at this: . I want to wait and see what will happen with the Leonidas image, but even if it is deleted, it's not like there is a shortage of notable Greeks. But rest assured, that collage ''will'' go up, with or without Leonidas, and whether some people like or not. ] (]) 06:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:P.S. Been to ], and it's one of my favorite cities in the world. Narrowly missed a chance to go there again recently. ] (]) 06:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
I didnt removed any pic on the Gjirokaster County. Derviçan is not part of the Town of Gjirokastër. You dont see me removing anything that i am not aware on Derviçan article. And also i dont see the stone roofs of Gjirokaster mentioned in Pelion article too. There is reciprocity. To me it looks like you are pushing to add as many Greek information as you could. Which for me still its not a problem if those are relevant. But specifically on these cases they are not relevant. ] (]) 20:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Dervican is literally next door to Gjirokaster, there is absolutely no reason to remove it, unless of course it is to hide the Greek minority in the region. ] (]) 02:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
Τελικα,μαλλον απαξιεις να απαντησεις ποιοι ειναι εκεινοι οι "Αλβανοι" που κατοικουν στη βορειοδυτικη Ελλαδα και αποτελουν ποσοστο μικροτερο του 10% του πληθυσμου της περιοχης και επιμενεις μαλιστα οτι ο εν λογω χαρτης στο αρθρο για τους αλβανους τους απεικονιζει.] (]) 21:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::You are accusing him of hiding greek minority yet u seem to be supporitng that obsured claim . In 19th century we have many writers and even ethno graphic maps saying no greek in albania but albanians in south epirus or Çameria before they were killed in çam genocide . So when did the greeks magically appear ? Even in the 20th century u have maps still showing Gjirokaster in Albanian ethnicity like this :https://picryl.com/search?q=EthnicAlbania1911%20-%20Public%20domain%20geographic%20map. If you would be familiar with the issue you would even know a lot of albanians declare greek just for a passport in this modern day . ] (]) 20:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
Next door or not its not part of Gjirokastër. Just like Lazarat which is in the middle of Gjirokaster and Derviçan can not be in the article about Derviçan. Thats what i call reciprocity. Unless you are being paranoid not everything i do is linked with ethnic greek stuff. ] (]) 08:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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You wouldn't agree (neither would i for that matter) putting ethnic albanian gjirokastrit stuff into derviçan article. So lets set a common ground of reciprocity and contribute together. ] (]) 09:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Have we reached a consensus? ] (]) 00:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
why dont you use this image for Kolokotronis? | |||
Its much more glorious | |||
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Kolokotronis_Theodore.JPG | |||
] (]) 20:17, 9 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
Lmaooo,gjirokaster's population is majority albanian ive never seen a greek in there, poor greek guy who keeps editing wikipedia articles out of desperation that his country has fake history | |||
:I prefer the one from the πεντοχίλιαρο aesthetically, an it's also the most well-known. ] (]) 21:45, 9 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
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: I like them also :). Sometimes are also a target for "fallmerayerans" and various anti-greeks | |||
Anyway, I dont support some replacements for this reason but only for representative reasons | |||
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Careful. By my count, you're at three reverts. It would not be a good idea to revert again today, even though Hxseek is blocked. ] | ] 20:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
Your recent edits are not improvements, the wording "among the oldest continuously inhabited cities" is accurate, while "continuously inhabited since antiquity" is incorrect, those sites have been inhabited long before antiquity. – ] (]) 18:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
:You are not only falsifying the source (it makes no such claim, not even closely), you are adding ] )to the lede of high visibility articles), and you also have zero evidence that these cities that they have been inhabited "long before antiquity", let alone "continuously". 2,200 years of history is nothing by world standards. There are at least 50-60 cities in Europe with longer histories, and that's not even including the dozens of older cities in Asia and Africa. This is POV-pushing of the crudest kind, and there is no way it can stand. Your edits and behavior are damaging the credibility of the encyclopedia. My edits are a reasonable compromise and in accordance with the source. If you continue this behavior, I will seek assistance from the community, and your credibility will suffer. ] (]) 18:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I wasn't planning on it, but I'm pretty sure I only have 2 from January 29 . The only other edit I have on that article is from the 26th of January, and it's not a revert. Not that it matters, but just wanted to be sure. ] (]) 20:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::I am talking about 'sites', not 'cities', and 'recorded history' not 'history'. Nevertheless, your edits are inaccurate original research, I changed the content in agreement with the source. – ] (]) 19:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::In the articles, you claimed "cities", not sites, which is neither sourced nor accurate. My edits were perfectly in line with the source. Anyway, your latest edits are satisfactory and there is no need for community involvement. ] (]) 20:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
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I can totaly see your passion and love for Greek art, history, and architecture. You reverted my last addition citing it as POV and stating that it was editoralizing. I agree with the latter but not the former. The source I had clearly cites it so, although I did change the order but now I put the text quoted and I added an extra literature source by Arrian. | |||
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I know how you feel about him and I am aware of your contribution to this article. I beileve that you try to create a very positive image of him and that I agree with afterall he was a great man in many ways. I also like to think Alexander for all his complexities and idiosyncracies. The Alexander that I understand is a man of great resolve, pushed to move forward by destiny, calculating, intelligent, and wise, but at the same time conflicted, prone to alcoholism, jealous, and at times void of self control. Alexander is an interesting figure in history of the world, as he possesses a sort of flair that comes with ethnic determination yet he is not like the other conquerers. He is not ghengis Khan, or Turkish crusaders or etc. Alexander has a complicated soul, it is my view that in many ways he is the Greek version of Cyrus the Great. Reading Cyropedia from an early age Alexander grows up admiring the Persians, whom during the time of Xerxes he also grows to hate. | |||
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To be honest I like the edit the way it is now and I believe that to give a fair view of who Alexander was we have to put to light both his strengths as well as his weaknesses. However I am bised in your favor too having seen your contributions to the article and I think how I would feel if another person interjected a point in my writing and that does not sound appealing to me. | |||
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So long story short, I leave it entirely up to you! If you so incline to take down my additional comments, then be it, but if you feel that perhaps presenting the good and the bad, the complicated and the clear, would give Alexander more dimension and make his article more prominent and worthy to read, then by all means let my edits stay. I guess what I am saying is you do not have to respond to this message unless u so incline or wish to share a thought, as I am giving you full authority to revert the edit, but I wish that you wont because if I was invested in Alexander the Great, then I would do all I can to give more than one aspect of his personality. No matter great job and I am becoming more and more interested in Greek history as I read so I am totally infatuated with Persian, Greek, and Ancient history :). Sincerely yours! | |||
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:Thank you for responding. This is not a question of making Alexander look good or bad, it is a question of relevance. The point is, the destruction of Persepolis has nothing to do with Alexander's ''personality''. The section to which you made the additions strictly discusses Alexander's personality and I don't see how the destruction of Persepolis relates to that. Neither does the source you use tie the destruction of Persepolis to Alexander's personality. Whether he ordered the destruction deliberately, whether it was a lapse of judgment, or whether it was an accident (it happened several ''months'' after the taking of Persepolis), we'll never really know, but whatever happened, I just don't see a connection to his personality. Btw, I have nothing against Persia and the Persian people, I have been to Persepolis and visited Cyrus' Tomb (and was quite impressed), but I really feel your additions, while sourced, stray from the subject of the personality section too much. Regards, ] (]) 23:57, 30 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
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::How about a move of the content to the appropriate section then? I agree but where in the article do you think this data fits? ] (]) 06:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
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:::Frankly, per ], considering the tone (e.g. "savage orgy"), I don't think it fits anywhere in an encyclopedia. A brief mention of the Persepolis incident is already included in the article, I think that's sufficient. ] (]) 07:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
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::::Tone is as per article, and it is as per that author who is very reliable a historical fact. We should not choose to censor certain data on the basis of its tone. I can cut out the "savage" from the text if you want. That still should be included becuase if we are to give a full picture of Alexander the Great, it shouldnt be just that he is "amply intelligent" or that he has "great self control" or that he is "erudite" but also that he sometimes is ok with orgies and such as well. I am going to add that to Persepolis section then. Are we in agreement? ] (]) 15:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
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::::OK, I moved the word "savage" and removed the section as per your discussio from "personality" to Persia. How do you do now? Is this acceptable? I even added "according to a scholar..." so as not to give the perception that this statement is widespread. cheers. ] (]) 16:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
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:::::I'm afraid not. "Violent orgy" instead of "Savage orgy"? That is ''hardly'' a change. Look, the thing is, here in wikipedia, we have to use neutral wording and avoid such language. I'm sure I could find sources that use similar language for the deeds of the Persians during Xerxes' invasion of Greece, for the ], for the capture of Jerusalem by the ] (talk about savage), but as you can see, we don't use such language in those articles. We ''have'' to stick by ] and avoid such colorful language. While authors such as the one you cite are not constrained to do so and can use whatever they see fit, in wikipedia it's different. I've been editing here since 2007, and I know what I'm talking about. Even about the ] we do not use such language. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the impression that you think the coverage of Alexander in the article is too "positive" and that's why you want to use such language, but that goes completely against the spirit of NPOV. ] is one of the pillars of wikipedia, and we have to abide by it, like it or not.] (]) 20:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
Long time no speak. I stumbled across these sources at Brill, thought you might be interested.-- Take care, - ] (]) 01:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::: Well it goes both ways, NPOV also entails coverage of both data and I am sure there are a lot of articles or sub articles that such "language" on Xerxes with such ease. I get the feeling that we are trying to white wash everything here on Wiki. Let me work on it. I will get back to you. ] (]) 04:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Thank you my friend, these will be useful. Always nice to hear from you. Take care. ] (]) 20:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::Here, look at the page now. Also show me the "source" where it shows that Xerxes the Great allowed Persian troops to kill and rape Athenians, then started to kill each other over the spoils ;P (although I am sure you can find a similar source for some other atrocity, as I am sure these old monarchs were all in it). So tell me what you think of this change I made?. ] (]) 04:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
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Hello, hope you're doing well. Could you please explain why you reverted my last edit on Constantine the Great? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:Because you falsified "Greek" to "Anatolian" despite this being contradicted by the sources, and re-added citations to the lede despite it being explained to you that that's not appropriate. ] (]) 17:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
I just cited some sources of his Illyrian profile, and corrected that his mother was Anatolian and not Greek, anything wrong with that? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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::This one . I do not blame you as it was rather a shitshow. | |||
::My issue is that I find the inclusion of Aromanians and Slavic-speakers along with Macedonians and Phanariots under a group called "Northern Greeks" as original research and not accurately reflective of their distinctiveness. Even if seen from the view of being Greeks today, the histories and languages of these groups make them more different from both Macedonians or Athenians than Macedonians and Athenians are different from each other. Same with the Arvanites and Souliotes. Do you catch me here? I think these groups should have their own group in the template, not named an OR name such as "Northern Greeks" which might appear to readers to be some already well-defined subgroup, and not together with regular Greek subgroups. I chose "Groups of non-Greek origin" as it feels pretty neutral to me but I'd be okay with some other title. What do you think? ] ] ] 23:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::I see your point and agree that "Northern Greeks" is not a good choice, but I equally dislike "non-Greek origin" because of its exclusive focus on "origin". Perhaps "Assimilated Greeks"? But then Cypriots, Sarakatsani, and Griko would have to be in another category. ] (]) 23:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::A sidebar is supposed to be simply a collection of articles. The previous structure with the note seemed a little weird. Personally, I wouldn't really mind separating the groups, perhaps under a neutral title like "Other groups". ] (]) 11:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::That would work as well. ] (]) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::The Cypriots, Sarakatsani and Griko could be reorganized in the way I did here , I think it wasn't a bad reorganization. Regarding "Assimilated Greeks" it is acceptable to me, but how about "Assimilated groups"? Is that a deal-breaker for you? It could be more neutral considering some 14%-20% Slavophones identify as ethnic Macedonians (as said in their own article) and how a small number of Greek Aromanians is reported to maintain a non-Greek identity (I don't have a figure here, it's probably lower than the Slavophones). Also for the sake of the minority of Aromanians from outside Greece who generally do not identify with the country. "Other groups" would be the worst option of the three as it wouldn't explain why are these groups singled out in this part of the template. ] ] ] 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Well the template is about Greeks, so I would prefer "Assimilated Greeks". Any Slavic speakers or Aromanians that do not identify as Greeks are not Greek by definition, and beyond the scope of the template. ] (]) 17:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::They are, however, within the scopes of the linked articles. {{u|Piccco}}, may you offer a third view? ] ] ] 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::::::::::Indeed. Thank you for being collaborative. ] (]) 21:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Gjirokastër
Your revert on Gjirokastër is plain desperate. Do not delete other sources and other sourced information in fear of trying to remove the greek minority. Its already mentioned the greek minority recognised by any albanian and we do not care to turn wikipedia into a propagandistic platform. The anti communist movement is a whole albanian movement politically there was nothing ethnic going on. They were democrats no matter the ethnicity. Otherwise i would be obligated to report this revert. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Looking at your contribs, almost every single one of your edits is intended to minimise or erase any mention of the Greek minority in Albania. Don't bother denying it, it's plain as day. You literally do nothing else around here. So, go ahead and "report" whatever you want, just be aware that it likely won't end well for you. Khirurg (talk) 16:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Btw, I don't disagree regarding the Hoxha statue, but the rest of your edits on that article were provocative and problematic. Khirurg (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
If you dont disagree regarding the issue on Hoxha statue what is the problem then. You even are reverting the name misspell. And deleting other sources that i am puting. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 18:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I repeat the greek minority its already mentioned. Nobody is deleting the minority. But the statue demolition had no ethnic purposes. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Also your source doesnt mention that it was the ethnic greeks the ones who destroyed the statue. It was the last statue to be destroyed in Albania RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 19:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Because you removed the pic of the polyphonic group, and the similarities to Mount Pelion houses. Did you forget that? You are just going around removing anything that you don't like it, and that's not ok. Khirurg (talk) 19:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I didnt removed any pic on the Gjirokaster County. Derviçan is not part of the Town of Gjirokastër. You dont see me removing anything that i am not aware on Derviçan article. And also i dont see the stone roofs of Gjirokaster mentioned in Pelion article too. There is reciprocity. To me it looks like you are pushing to add as many Greek information as you could. Which for me still its not a problem if those are relevant. But specifically on these cases they are not relevant. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Dervican is literally next door to Gjirokaster, there is absolutely no reason to remove it, unless of course it is to hide the Greek minority in the region. Khirurg (talk) 02:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- You are accusing him of hiding greek minority yet u seem to be supporitng that obsured claim . In 19th century we have many writers and even ethno graphic maps saying no greek in albania but albanians in south epirus or Çameria before they were killed in çam genocide . So when did the greeks magically appear ? Even in the 20th century u have maps still showing Gjirokaster in Albanian ethnicity like this :https://picryl.com/search?q=EthnicAlbania1911%20-%20Public%20domain%20geographic%20map. If you would be familiar with the issue you would even know a lot of albanians declare greek just for a passport in this modern day . Truth t (talk) 20:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Next door or not its not part of Gjirokastër. Just like Lazarat which is in the middle of Gjirokaster and Derviçan can not be in the article about Derviçan. Thats what i call reciprocity. Unless you are being paranoid not everything i do is linked with ethnic greek stuff. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 08:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
You wouldn't agree (neither would i for that matter) putting ethnic albanian gjirokastrit stuff into derviçan article. So lets set a common ground of reciprocity and contribute together. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 09:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Have we reached a consensus? RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 00:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Lmaooo,gjirokaster's population is majority albanian ive never seen a greek in there, poor greek guy who keeps editing wikipedia articles out of desperation that his country has fake history
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Your recent edits are not improvements, the wording "among the oldest continuously inhabited cities" is accurate, while "continuously inhabited since antiquity" is incorrect, those sites have been inhabited long before antiquity. – Βατο (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- You are not only falsifying the source (it makes no such claim, not even closely), you are adding WP:PUFFERY )to the lede of high visibility articles), and you also have zero evidence that these cities that they have been inhabited "long before antiquity", let alone "continuously". 2,200 years of history is nothing by world standards. There are at least 50-60 cities in Europe with longer histories, and that's not even including the dozens of older cities in Asia and Africa. This is POV-pushing of the crudest kind, and there is no way it can stand. Your edits and behavior are damaging the credibility of the encyclopedia. My edits are a reasonable compromise and in accordance with the source. If you continue this behavior, I will seek assistance from the community, and your credibility will suffer. Khirurg (talk) 18:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am talking about 'sites', not 'cities', and 'recorded history' not 'history'. Nevertheless, your edits are inaccurate original research, I changed the content in agreement with the source. – Βατο (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- In the articles, you claimed "cities", not sites, which is neither sourced nor accurate. My edits were perfectly in line with the source. Anyway, your latest edits are satisfactory and there is no need for community involvement. Khirurg (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am talking about 'sites', not 'cities', and 'recorded history' not 'history'. Nevertheless, your edits are inaccurate original research, I changed the content in agreement with the source. – Βατο (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
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Long time no speak. I stumbled across these sources at Brill, thought you might be interested.-- Take care, - LouisAragon (talk) 01:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you my friend, these will be useful. Always nice to hear from you. Take care. Khirurg (talk) 20:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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you keep reverting my edits even though i gave sources. You are a biased nationalistic greej Truth t (talk) 12:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
i do not care about your opinions, i am making a better a wikipedia contributing and spreading the real history, and no im not a nationalist, and i am citing sources also
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Hello, hope you're doing well. Could you please explain why you reverted my last edit on Constantine the Great? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arberiunumk (talk • contribs) 17:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Because you falsified "Greek" to "Anatolian" despite this being contradicted by the sources, and re-added citations to the lede despite it being explained to you that that's not appropriate. Khirurg (talk) 17:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
I just cited some sources of his Illyrian profile, and corrected that his mother was Anatolian and not Greek, anything wrong with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arberiunumk (talk • contribs) 18:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- You didn't "correct" anything, there are five sources in the article that state she was Greek, you just falsified it because you didn't like it. Don't do it again. Khirurg (talk) 19:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hello. As you can see I am still dissatisfied with the situation at the template. You expressed room for compromise at that RfC. Does this still stand? Super Ψ Dro 06:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you refresh my memory? I do not quite recall which RfC you are referring to. Khirurg (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This one . I do not blame you as it was rather a shitshow.
- My issue is that I find the inclusion of Aromanians and Slavic-speakers along with Macedonians and Phanariots under a group called "Northern Greeks" as original research and not accurately reflective of their distinctiveness. Even if seen from the view of being Greeks today, the histories and languages of these groups make them more different from both Macedonians or Athenians than Macedonians and Athenians are different from each other. Same with the Arvanites and Souliotes. Do you catch me here? I think these groups should have their own group in the template, not named an OR name such as "Northern Greeks" which might appear to readers to be some already well-defined subgroup, and not together with regular Greek subgroups. I chose "Groups of non-Greek origin" as it feels pretty neutral to me but I'd be okay with some other title. What do you think? Super Ψ Dro 23:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see your point and agree that "Northern Greeks" is not a good choice, but I equally dislike "non-Greek origin" because of its exclusive focus on "origin". Perhaps "Assimilated Greeks"? But then Cypriots, Sarakatsani, and Griko would have to be in another category. Khirurg (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- A sidebar is supposed to be simply a collection of articles. The previous structure with the note seemed a little weird. Personally, I wouldn't really mind separating the groups, perhaps under a neutral title like "Other groups". Piccco (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would work as well. Khirurg (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Cypriots, Sarakatsani and Griko could be reorganized in the way I did here , I think it wasn't a bad reorganization. Regarding "Assimilated Greeks" it is acceptable to me, but how about "Assimilated groups"? Is that a deal-breaker for you? It could be more neutral considering some 14%-20% Slavophones identify as ethnic Macedonians (as said in their own article) and how a small number of Greek Aromanians is reported to maintain a non-Greek identity (I don't have a figure here, it's probably lower than the Slavophones). Also for the sake of the minority of Aromanians from outside Greece who generally do not identify with the country. "Other groups" would be the worst option of the three as it wouldn't explain why are these groups singled out in this part of the template. Super Ψ Dro 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well the template is about Greeks, so I would prefer "Assimilated Greeks". Any Slavic speakers or Aromanians that do not identify as Greeks are not Greek by definition, and beyond the scope of the template. Khirurg (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- They are, however, within the scopes of the linked articles. Piccco, may you offer a third view? Super Ψ Dro 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, apologies for coming back here over this several days later. I have went for "Assimilated Greeks" in the end. Thanks for the discussion, I appreciate that we've managed to find a middle ground. Have a good editing. Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed. Thank you for being collaborative. Khirurg (talk) 21:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, apologies for coming back here over this several days later. I have went for "Assimilated Greeks" in the end. Thanks for the discussion, I appreciate that we've managed to find a middle ground. Have a good editing. Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- They are, however, within the scopes of the linked articles. Piccco, may you offer a third view? Super Ψ Dro 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well the template is about Greeks, so I would prefer "Assimilated Greeks". Any Slavic speakers or Aromanians that do not identify as Greeks are not Greek by definition, and beyond the scope of the template. Khirurg (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Cypriots, Sarakatsani and Griko could be reorganized in the way I did here , I think it wasn't a bad reorganization. Regarding "Assimilated Greeks" it is acceptable to me, but how about "Assimilated groups"? Is that a deal-breaker for you? It could be more neutral considering some 14%-20% Slavophones identify as ethnic Macedonians (as said in their own article) and how a small number of Greek Aromanians is reported to maintain a non-Greek identity (I don't have a figure here, it's probably lower than the Slavophones). Also for the sake of the minority of Aromanians from outside Greece who generally do not identify with the country. "Other groups" would be the worst option of the three as it wouldn't explain why are these groups singled out in this part of the template. Super Ψ Dro 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would work as well. Khirurg (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- A sidebar is supposed to be simply a collection of articles. The previous structure with the note seemed a little weird. Personally, I wouldn't really mind separating the groups, perhaps under a neutral title like "Other groups". Piccco (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see your point and agree that "Northern Greeks" is not a good choice, but I equally dislike "non-Greek origin" because of its exclusive focus on "origin". Perhaps "Assimilated Greeks"? But then Cypriots, Sarakatsani, and Griko would have to be in another category. Khirurg (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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I noticed a message on my Talk page accusing me of edit warring. I believe I was simply trying to contribute to Misplaced Pages and didn't intend to cause any issues. I’m committed to following Misplaced Pages’s guidelines and would appreciate any advice on how to proceed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumbarschen (talk • contribs) 17:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks but i'm not doing any Edit war, i'm simply here to edit and contribute i have nothing against noone. I'm just simply trying to cite sources and contribute on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumbarschen (talk • contribs) 19:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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Χαθηκαμε ρε παλικαρι
Tempus fugit. Αλλα πια δε συμμαζευεται. Ο μεν χρονος μπορει να ρεει, αλλα μερικες επικες σχεσεις δεν επιτρεπεται ο χρονος να τις αποθετει στον καδο των αχρηστων. Enough said. Τα λέμε. Καλά Χριστούγεννα. Θα τα πούμε και την πρωτοχρονιά. Dr. K. 07:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)