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== Citation needed ==

The question of the pips altering the odds got a slew of {{citation needed|date=Aug 2010}}s:
: ''Some people claim that the pips on the face of certain styles of dice can cause a small bias, but there is no research to support this claim.''

: ''The supposed bias is reduced somewhat in the Japanese die with its oversized single pip (pictured).''


== fair and less fair ==
: ''Casino dice have markings that are flush, offering the assurance that this brings them very close to providing true uniformly distributed random numbers.''


How about splitting the "Rarer" table into isohedral (including "long" dice) and other? ] (]) 05:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
If a couple of people (some) claim pips alter the odds, which is awfully likely, then no citation is needed, right? Some people claim that two plus two equals four.{{citation needed|date=Aug 2010}} - ] (]) 17:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


:I'm curious how that would look. ] (]) 13:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Hope this helps.
::Most of the non-isohedral dice have the word "truncated" in the table. All ]s, all ]s and ], and (effectively) all long dice are isohedral. ] (]) 05:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
I've found a few dice patents (3399897, 273146000) where the pips are carefully arranged to provide balanced weighting. The pips are only an issue when they remove material from the solid shape of the die (drilled, embossed, etc). Less of an issue if the dice are larger, denser, or more massive. One site which mentions pip weighting is here, http://www.scrapyardarmory.com/2009/08/26/fair-dice/ <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Needed image == == Die or Dice ==


For articles like ], ], ] and many others, the article title is singular, though several of the objects are usually used together.
(Moved from ])


For dice, the singular can be ''die'' or ''dice'' and the plural is ''dice''. Thus, the title ] could be either, but the start of the article makes it seem to be plural:
{{Reqphoto|games|of=vector image of role-playing dice}}
:'''''Dice''' (sg.: '''die''' or '''dice''') are small, throwable objects ...''
(my point being: this only makes sense if the first word is understood as plural).
This is kind of odd, I think. Would this be better?
:''A '''die''' (sg. die or '''dice''', pl. '''dice''') is a small, throwable object ...
Logically, one might say this should go with renaming the article ], but I wouldn't support renaming.
Also, given title ], this would be more logical:
:''A '''dice''' (sg. dice or '''die''', pl. '''dice''') is a small, throwable object ...
but I actually prefer my first version. Or perhaps this:
:''A '''die''' (sg. also '''dice''', pl. '''dice''') is a small, throwable object ...
Thoughts? ] (]) 08:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)


:I support: A '''dice''' ({{singular}} dice or ''' die'''; {{plural form}} dice) is a small, throwable object... <span style="font-family:cursive;color:DarkBlue;cursor:help"><span>]</span><sup>(])</sup></span> 08:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
What's needed are vector images of role-playing game ] (8- and 20-sided for instance) to replace the ones in the current image. Here are some examples, though what is needed are vector images, not photographs.
::That would be logical, yes!
::Arguably, with that lead, it would be odd that we throughout the article use the singular '''die''', and I don't think we should change that, which is why I prefer "A die (...) is".
::(We use "die" 73 times and "dice" 129 times, and though I haven't checked all 129 instances, it seems that when we use "dice" it is either plural or dice as a concept, where using the plural form is at least possible.) ] (]) 10:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Only idiots use dice as a singular.--] (]) (]) 18:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Why would you want to be so rude? Both forms are correct. ] (]) 16:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)


== Where, if at all, to put basic stat info for nDs dice ==
]s set of five dice, (from left) ] (4 sides), ] (6), ] (8), ] (12), and ] (20).]]


A while back, related to some research I was doing, I needed to gather some basic info about the results you get when rolling nDs+c and nDs-c dice -- It discussed the minimum value, maximum value, and most likely value(s) you get for particular nm s and c, including when the adjusted rolls would result in a negative value. This info has been useful for my fellow gamers, and I think it would be of interest to other d20 players, as well as those interested in dice probability, and perhaps probability more generally. As far as I was able to discover, this info is not grouped together in one place on the Web -- or, if it is, I could not find after a lot of googling.
The color doesn't really matter, though plain red and orange work well. Thanks! <span style="border:1px solid #f57900;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 08:07, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


I've been told by a knowledgeable editor that such info is too detailed for the Dice page. Dice Notation was suggested as a location for it, but that page is about (several different) dice notations, and doesn't really get into the probability behavior of info related to them (sensible; the page is about notation, not stats). It also seems inappropriate to place this info on its own page; seems too detailed for that. So, I'd like the community's input: Is there an appropriate page for this info? Should it be on a new page after all? Or it is just too esoteric to be in Misplaced Pages?
== Two dices together with rope (Fuzzy dice) ==


This is very commonly seen, like or . Does it mean anything? ] (]) 13:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC) Many thanks for your advice! ] (]) 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
:I suppose they're just meant to be hung from the ceiling or in the windscreen of a vehicle as a decoration. There are so many other things one might hang up, and I've no idea why dice are popular - so, do they "mean" something? I really don't know!--] (]) 14:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
::See ]. <span style="background-color:#000000; font-family:Papyrus; color:#00FF00">''']''' <sup>(])</sup></span> 03:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


== Probability theory ==
== Notation for Percentile Dice ==


Obviously, ] is not something we should get into detalis about in this article. However, I think one, reading this article, should be no more than a click or two away from getting info about the relevant probability theory when throwing e.g. two identical dice, or two differently coloured dice, simultaneously. Perhaps it can be fixed by adding an appropriate link in the section ], but I'm not sure how, or what to link. Ideas? ] (]) 12:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
I've never seen the notation for percentile dice shown as 1d100 or 1d%. It's always d100 or d%, since gamers never talk about the sum of more than one random roll of 100. ] (]) 14:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


:I added a brief paragraph to the "Use" section, linking to probability theory. I agree, it should be somewhere in the article, and this looked like a good spot to me. ] (]) 06:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
I remember I have been asked to roll 10d100 (10d%) to simulate a probability of "1/1000", though I admit it was inaccurate and would have been better done as 1d1000 or 1d‰. // But on a related note, most game systems indicate single die rolls as "1dX", not "dX", when it comes to most common die rolls, thus I do not see why rolls of hundred0sided dice should stand any different. ] (]) 20:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks! ] (]) 08:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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fair and less fair

How about splitting the "Rarer" table into isohedral (including "long" dice) and other? —Tamfang (talk) 05:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm curious how that would look. BOZ (talk) 13:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Most of the non-isohedral dice have the word "truncated" in the table. All Catalan solids, all bipyramids and trapezohedra, and (effectively) all long dice are isohedral. —Tamfang (talk) 05:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Die or Dice

For articles like Token, Chess piece, Coin and many others, the article title is singular, though several of the objects are usually used together.

For dice, the singular can be die or dice and the plural is dice. Thus, the title Dice could be either, but the start of the article makes it seem to be plural:

Dice (sg.: die or dice) are small, throwable objects ...

(my point being: this only makes sense if the first word is understood as plural). This is kind of odd, I think. Would this be better?

A die (sg. die or dice, pl. dice) is a small, throwable object ...

Logically, one might say this should go with renaming the article Die, but I wouldn't support renaming. Also, given title Dice, this would be more logical:

A dice (sg. dice or die, pl. dice) is a small, throwable object ...

but I actually prefer my first version. Or perhaps this:

A die (sg. also dice, pl. dice) is a small, throwable object ...

Thoughts? (talk) 08:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I support: A dice (sg. dice or die; pl. dice) is a small, throwable object... Alexeyevitch 08:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
That would be logical, yes!
Arguably, with that lead, it would be odd that we throughout the article use the singular die, and I don't think we should change that, which is why I prefer "A die (...) is".
(We use "die" 73 times and "dice" 129 times, and though I haven't checked all 129 instances, it seems that when we use "dice" it is either plural or dice as a concept, where using the plural form is at least possible.) (talk) 10:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Only idiots use dice as a singular.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Why would you want to be so rude? Both forms are correct. (talk) 16:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Where, if at all, to put basic stat info for nDs dice

A while back, related to some research I was doing, I needed to gather some basic info about the results you get when rolling nDs+c and nDs-c dice -- It discussed the minimum value, maximum value, and most likely value(s) you get for particular nm s and c, including when the adjusted rolls would result in a negative value. This info has been useful for my fellow gamers, and I think it would be of interest to other d20 players, as well as those interested in dice probability, and perhaps probability more generally. As far as I was able to discover, this info is not grouped together in one place on the Web -- or, if it is, I could not find after a lot of googling.

I've been told by a knowledgeable editor that such info is too detailed for the Dice page. Dice Notation was suggested as a location for it, but that page is about (several different) dice notations, and doesn't really get into the probability behavior of info related to them (sensible; the page is about notation, not stats). It also seems inappropriate to place this info on its own page; seems too detailed for that. So, I'd like the community's input: Is there an appropriate page for this info? Should it be on a new page after all? Or it is just too esoteric to be in Misplaced Pages?

Many thanks for your advice! Eclectucator (talk) 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Probability theory

Obviously, probability theory is not something we should get into detalis about in this article. However, I think one, reading this article, should be no more than a click or two away from getting info about the relevant probability theory when throwing e.g. two identical dice, or two differently coloured dice, simultaneously. Perhaps it can be fixed by adding an appropriate link in the section Dice#Use, but I'm not sure how, or what to link. Ideas? (talk) 12:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I added a brief paragraph to the "Use" section, linking to probability theory. I agree, it should be somewhere in the article, and this looked like a good spot to me. Fieari (talk) 06:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! (talk) 08:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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