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= December 22 =
{{Misplaced Pages:Help_desk/Archives/2011 April 4}}


== Query re: Search Engine Optimization ==
= April 5 =


There was recently a very long thread at ANI about a user who was eventually site blocked. I won’t link to the thread because, frankly, life is too precious.
== Properly create infobox? ==


The user was a promo-only account who initially attracted attention to themselves by opening multiple threads to try to rush 3 film articles through AfC. The stated aim of the user was to get the articles to appear on Google searches to coincide with the US release of one of the films – i.e. apparent search engine optimization (SEO), as can be seen here .
I've never created an article from scratch and usually copy from others to help myself. But I can't get the hang of this "infobox" thing. Here's the code I have (please use edit to view code in its entirety)


The user also went to great lengths (again across multiple threads) trying unsuccessfully to remove PAID and/or COI tags from the articles.
{{Infobox person
| name = Harold Wagner III
| image = <!-- Harold Wagner.jpg -->
| imagesize =
| alt =
| caption = Avatar used by Harold on the web.
| birth_name = Harold George Wagner III
| birth_date = {{birth date and age|mf=yes|1990|1|12}}
| birth_place = ], U.S.
| death_date = <!-- {{Death date and age|YYYY|MM|DD|YYYY|MM|DD}} Death date then birth -->
| death_place =
| othername = hg3
| occupation = College Student
| label7 = Political Affiliation
| data7 = Democrat
| label8 = Religion
| data8 = Christian ]
| label9 = Race
| data9 = ]
| label12 = Ethnicity
| data12 = ]
| label10 = Gender
| data10 = Male
| label11 = Sexuality
| data11 = Heterosexual
| label1 = Height
| data1 ={{height|ft=6|in=1|wiki=no}}
| label2 = Weight
| data2 ={{convert|150|lb|kg|abbr=on}}
| label3 = Waist
| data3 ={{convert|33|in|cm|abbr=on}}
| label4 = Leg Height
| data4 ={{convert|34|in|cm|abbr=on}}
| label5 = Shirt Size
| data5 = Large
| label6 = Shoe Size
| data6 = 12
| label0 = Blood Type
| data0 = A+
}}


The intersection between these two aims is clarified by the user’s suggestion that {{tq|These tags negatively impact the articles' indexing and discoverability , reducing accessibility for readers. This is not about SEO but ensuring that notable topics are properly represented and accessible}}.
So far, only Name through Occupation are showing. (Showing on right) The others refuse to show up in the infobox. What am I doing wrong?
<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 04:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:In the first place I removed the image, for non-free images may not be used except in articles. (They may not be use in user pages either.) In reply to your question: So far as I know labelx and datax are not recognized parameters for {{tl|Infobox person}}. See the template for valid parameters. —] ] ] 06:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
::If you want full control over the fields, try using {{tp|Infobox}} rather than {{tp|Infobox person}}. I have fixed a syntax error by a missing curly bracket, both in your post here and on your user page. -- ] (]) 07:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:: {{EC}} Corrected the template for you - As TEB728 already mentioned, you cannot use non recognized parameters for a template. To counter that i switched the "info person" to a plain "Infobox" and renamed the parameters to support all the content. Another issue was that you lacked a { in the template, causing it to come back partly garbled. Another option - if you really wish to use "Infobox person" is to use its module parameter to create a sub-template inside it, that holds the non supported data. ]</font><sup> (],])</sup> 07:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
This has been quite helpful. Thanks.--] (]) 08:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


I’d be interested to hear from other users on the issue of whether or not the presence of such tags would represent a serious impediment to the aims of someone involved in SEO. The film mainly in question here (]) currently has 2 tags and appears 5th on a Google search for “It’s Coming film” and not on the first few pages of results if searching for “It’s Coming” (which is evidently far too generic a search term).
== County Court page ==


Any input here would be much appreciated. ] (]) 07:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
On this page reference is made to 'fast tack' and 'multi track' cases which exceed the County Court small claims limit of £5000. It would be very useful if these terms had links which explain the procedures involved, especially with regard to 'litigant in person' situations. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:05, 5 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:A better place to raise your concerns is at ]. This is ther dicussion page for that article. Editors that follow work on the article will have a better ability to address your concerns. ] (]) 11:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


:My own understanding is that Misplaced Pages has its own objectives, rules, and policies, and ignores the objectives of SEO agents. If an editor admits that his objective is SEO, I personally would be disinclined to cooperate with him. If I read the suggestion you quote in teal above, I'd respond "That's great – I hope you'll work on improving the article until an impartial editor removes those tags." ] (]) 09:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
== following archived sections ==
{{resolved|] ] 14:49, 5 April 2011 (UTC)}}
Hi, I should know this by now but have never worked it out. Is it possible when I leave a link to a thread to keep that thread the target of the link even if it is archived by a bot or by anyone for that matter? ] (]) 11:57, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:You can use "]" in the Toolbox and then click the section in the TOC and copy the url. But if new posts are added to the thread after you clicked Permanent link then they will not be shown. It is not possible to both include newer posts and make the link immune to archiving. ] (]) 12:15, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
::So ... if I post this link on someones talkpage ] it will be archived in the next few days and I can't get this link to ''follow'' any archiving. <nowiki>{{sectionfollow|Misplaced Pages:Help desk#following archived sections}}</nowiki> - would be a possibility? ] (]) 12:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:::A ''section follow'' template would be possible only if you were able to factor in all the various archiving methods of bots archiving. In other words, it'll be quite expansive for a single template to understand the archiving methods of different bots on different pages. For example, on this page, the link ] is the link that you should be providing once this page gets archived. Of course, the best method is to provide the permanent link method, as quoted by PrimeHunter already. Does that answer your query well?] ] 13:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


::See ] for further views. The now-banned {{u|Stan1900}} has been remarkably effective at making enemies. ] (]) 09:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The link ] will not work after the section is archived. There is no ] so I'm not sure what you mean by that. Pages are archived in different ways so there is no solution which would work on all pages, but if you can predict the name of an archive page then you can link to it. For example, one of these links should work both before and after archiving: ] or ]. You can also use ] to check whether the archive exists and only link to it in that case, but it's more complicated. <code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code> renders as ] and will change the link when the archive is created. "Permanent link" is in the toolbox at the left side in the default Vector skin. If I click Permanent link and then the section heading in the TOC then I currently get the url http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Help_desk&oldid=422508351#following_archived_sections in my browser address bar. You can copy this url and use it to refer to the section as it looked at that time. It will not include this reply because I clicked Permanent link before saving the reply. ] (]) 13:43, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, quite so (in response to both of your posts above). The user almost went out of their way to advertise their promotional and SEO objectives and then behaved at ANI in such as way that their conduct there alone was enough to get them blocked.
::::Thanks both for your detailed replies. I will have a good read of these links. It seem I was looking for a simple solution to a complicated situation. ] was just my simple suggestion. It does seem possible although you need to be sure of the archive the section will move to and as PrimeHunter said, complicated, using the extension PH mentions, #ifexist. I will experiment with that, many thanks. ] (]) 14:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:::However, my question is whether the existence of the tags interferes with attempts at search engine optimisation. And also, how does it interfere?
:::To some extent I'm inclined to briefly remove the tags and see if the article moves from #5 to #1 on the Google search, but I'm reluctant to make an edit for such a contrived and non wiki-related reason. If I put the names of some (relatively obscure) untagged films into Google they do tend to occupy the #1 spot in a search - so there would seem to be some evidence that the blocked user was rather knowledgeable on how tags influence SEO (possibly implying a promotional background?).
:::If COI/PAID tags do interfere with attempts at SEO then that can only be a good thing, of course. ] (]) 10:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::The movie in question is ]. A Gooogle search for two common words like "it's coming" is going to produce countless false search results. But search terms "it's coming movie" and "it's coming film" have the Misplaced Pages article ranked about #5 on Google, which is pretty darned good. The film's own website and trailer and Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb rank higher. The specifics of Google's ever changing search algorithms are opaque, providing employment to countless SEO specialists. Of course, the prominent banners at the top of the article may deter prospective streaming viewers, but that is the result of the primary author behaving like a total ass in so many ways. The one constant that I have noticed over the years is that more comprehensive Misplaced Pages articles tend to rank higher than briefer articles, which is no surprise. ] (]) 10:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::And hence perhaps another reason for the user having wanted to pad out the article with a great number of positive quotes from reviews. Although, in fairness, there were other (entirely neutral) ways in which the article might have been lengthened if that had been the intention.
:::::However, that still leaves the question of why the user was so sure that {{tq|These tags negatively impact the articles' indexing and discoverability }}.
:::::Obviously it's staggering that the user felt that non-conflicted users would find an SEO-based reasoning a compelling argument to remove the COI/PAID tags - but it seems reasonable to assume that he believed what he was saying. ] (]) 11:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Google, and other search engine operators, do not reveal their criteria for evaluating pages, as that would make it too easy for people to game their evaluations. There are techniques that SEO people discuss and use; if you're interested, you'll be able to find such discussions. It seems to me likely that a long Misplaced Pages article will score higher than a short one, and that one with tags at the top will score lower. An SEO expert will know far more about these things than I do. ] (]) 12:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== Witness statements as sources ==
==help with password==
Hi, my username is Jeremy706 and I can't get logged into my account. Here is the link to my page ]. I couldn't remember exactly what my password was and when i tried to email thing, it turns out I had an old email listed on my account and I have a new one that I never did add. Please help me. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Should witness statements for court cases or public enquiries be used as sources for biographies of living people? I avoid it, even if they are available online (''public'' enqiry!), as they may contain information of a very personal nature about family, health, etc. or can end up making the article look like a CV. I might give a brief quote: "she said in her witness statement to the public enquiry..." if there is anything very important, although if it is important it is likely to be reported in the media, but not use the statement for details of someone's childhood, etc.
:If you no longer have access to the old e-mail account, the only thing you can do is create a new account and then perhaps ] your old user name.&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 12:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I ask because another editor ] is adding content from witness statements from the Horizon Inquiry to articles of living people, for example, to ] and, potentially, ] and I haven't been able to find anything in reliable sources guidance about it, although I am sure I have seen something in the past. ] (]) 12:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hi, thanks for bringing this up. I used these sources as, as you mentioned, these are public.
== Rodney Davies (author) ==
:While I do think some public documents shouldn't be used, I believe these are probably okay. Most very personal information within the couple of documents that I have used is redacted. Therefore, I think it's okay to use for some claims.
:I do agree, however, that if claims can be proven by other sources, such a the book source used in the ] article, this is probably better. ] (]) 12:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::I think this might fall under ], which says {{tq|Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do <strong><em>not</em></strong> use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do <strong><em>not</em></strong> use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it <em>may</em> be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, ], and the other sourcing policies}}. ]&nbsp;] 14:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I think it's borderline. I agree that most of the time these kind of documents probably shouldn't be used. However, as I said, all actual personal details, such as dates of births, are redacted in the documents I used. ] (]) 14:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::The use of the absolute term “do not” especially in a section talking more broadly about other things to avoid is very clear. Furthermore, even when covered by secondary sources, which might be permissible, when it comes to testimony, ] must be considered as well. ]&thinsp;] 15:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== Vandalism help request from Bondwagon ==
Dear Sirs,


I have noticed some persistent vandalism at ]. Namely, persistent change of the population figures to an outdated number, not reflecting updated figures and sources. Removal of multiple reliable sources confirming new figures and replacing with one outdated source still on old figure . Persistent valdalism carried out by da5ft9. A tribes population calling remain constant for over a decade, hence the single oudated population figure is null and the multiple recent population figure is correct. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, ] (]) 13:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)<!--Reported via ]-->
Further to my email I have attached the link below for your ease.


:Did you talked with the person you accuse to do this on his/her talk page ?
I have not received a reply from your goodselves to date.
:Each user have a '''"Talk page"'''. ] (]) 13:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::No, I did not speak with the person ] (]) 14:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:@], please do not ask the same question four times. I've collapsed the duplicates below. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks you @] for your contribution. ] (]) 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::thank you ] (]) 14:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:@] I would advise you to either open a discussion at the editor's talk page or the article's talk page to settle the matter. It seems that Da5ft9 has reverted you earlier because the sources added were irrelevant and unreliable (regarding this, I don't think the 101lasttribes source is reliable since Misplaced Pages is one of the places they took their information from). ] (]) 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::101 last tribes excluded, there are other sources that should be considered and that are relaible too. If you take a loot at the sources, you will agree that not all should be discarded. Like I said earlier, it is highly unlikely that a tribes population will remain constant over multiple years.
::That being said, I will take your advise on the matter. ] (]) 14:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


{{cot|Duplicate of above}}
LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/Rodney_Davies_%28author%29


I await to hear from you soon. == Vandalism help request from Bondwagon ==


Best regards,


Maksim


I have noticed some vandalism at ]. Namely, It has come to attention that there is ongoing vandalism of population figures, particularly the consistent removal of updated estimates supported by multiple reliable sources, such as the University of Birmingham, and their replacement with outdated figures from a single source, the CIA Factbook. This vandalism appears to be persistently carried out by user:da5ft9.
It is important to note that a tribe's population is unlikely to remain stagnant over nearly a decade. For example, the CIA Factbook estimated the Ijaw population at 4 million in 2010, and this figure was recently relabeled as a 2018 estimate without any substantive update. This contradicts more recent and credible estimates provided by multiple sources, which suggest that the Ijaw population has grown significantly over time.
Given the discrepancy and the reliability of other sources, it is evident that these updated figures are far more accurate and reflective of reality. It is crucial to maintain data accuracy and prevent the suppression of validated information. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, ] (]) 13:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)<!--Reported via ]-->


== Vandalism help request from Bondwagon ==
Email sent on 1 April 2011:


Dear Sirs,
Sorry, but work has prevented me from contacting you before now about the article of mine entitled 'Rodney Davies (Author)'.
Its presently invisible subtitle is 'An Outline of This Writer's Works', which explains what it is meant to do. I have long admired Rodney's books, which deal with esoteric matters in a clear, informative and interesting way. I was stimulated to write the piece by the lack of anything worthwhile about him on Misplaced Pages.
There has been no infringement of copyright. This belief may have arisen because before I sent the piece in, I emailed it to the author for his approval and comments. He unfortunately, being pleased with my efforts but unfamiliar with the formalities involved, passed it on to Wkipedia, which caused the mix-up.
The effort of writing it and the time it took to put together the illustrations has been formidable. That's why I hope that some fitting denouement will now happen.
Many thanks,
Maksim Mikhailov. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:05, 5 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:To which email address did you send the mail? It's usually different people who reply to emails and to help desk posts here. Most of us here cannot see emails, and most people who can see emails will not look here at the help desk. ] (]) 13:25, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
::Hi and thanks for your contributions. The article is live and isn't currently marked as a copyright infringements, although it does have several tags noting other issues, which either yourself or any other wikipedia editor can work on in the future. I'm not sure what illustrations you're referring to as I can't see any. Could you explain what specifically is your question? Many thanks. --] (]) 13:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


I have noticed some vandalism at ]. Namely, It has come to attention that there is ongoing vandalism of population figures, particularly the consistent removal of updated estimates supported by multiple reliable sources, such as the University of Birmingham, and their replacement with outdated figures from a single source, the CIA Factbook. This vandalism appears to be persistently carried out by user:da5ft9.
== Unable to view Misplaced Pages pics in China ==
It is important to note that a tribe's population is unlikely to remain stagnant over nearly a decade. For example, the CIA Factbook estimated the Ijaw population at 4 million in 2010, and this figure was recently relabeled as a 2018 estimate without any substantive update. This contradicts more recent and credible estimates provided by multiple sources, which suggest that the Ijaw population has grown significantly over time.
Given the discrepancy and the reliability of other sources, it is evident that these updated figures are far more accurate and reflective of reality. It is crucial to maintain data accuracy and prevent the suppression of validated information. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, ] (]) 13:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)<!--Reported via ]-->
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== 1909 French publication out of copyright? ==
Posted this a week ago, here are some responses to the questions I received:


In ] can we simply add direct translation of anything we want from pages 74 to 86 of https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/161596 as the author died in 1898 and it was published in 1909 so presumably it is out of copyright? ] (]) 16:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Original Question: For about 2 weeks now, every English and Chinese Misplaced Pages page has had ALL pictures show up as dead links. Wondering if anyone else has experienced this, and what might be causing it (behind new Great Firewall nonsense).
18:38, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


:Under French law. It is out of copyright if we are talking about the right of the author and his heirs.
1) Can you see images at other websites unrelated to Misplaced Pages? All images in articles are stored at http://upload.wikimedia.org.
:In France , the delay is 70 years after the death of the person. <br /> <br />
:If you want , I can show you texts from French legislation and translate this into English for you. ] (]) 17:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


:It's in the public domain (it's out of copyright); so, as regards copyright, yes we can. However, if by simply adding you mean not using quotation marks (or block indentation) and not attributing the material to the author, no: for a Misplaced Pages editor to do either would be to plagiarize, which is unethical. Also, despite various hiccups, fads and mistakes, scientific understanding generally improves over the span of a century, and what was written and published commendably circa 1900 may later have been discredited. -- ] (]) 23:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
'''Answer''': All images on every other non-Wiki affiliated page shows up fine. As of April 5 China time, upload.wikimedia.org is not accessible.
:Thanks both of you. @] We have of course attributed the author. @] Perhaps you might be interested in expanding https://fr.wikipedia.org/Ensete_perrieri which only has English cites at the moment. As you can see the original description is very long so perhaps you might be able to summarize it in the French article? ] (]) 16:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


:{{re|Chidgk1}} the original French is in the public domain. The English translation is a derived work and is copyrighted by default, with the copyright belonging to the translator. If you translated it yourself, you can license your translation under an appropriate license, e.g., ] or CC0. It might be better to put the originals French and you translation on ] to preserve the provenance and have a place to put your copyright license. -] (]) 19:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
2) Can you see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Example.jpg?
::@] My French is nowhere near good enough. So if we use Google Translate the copyright belongs to Google? @] If so would you have time to translate it? ] (]) 05:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Copyright doesn't belongs to "]" if you use "]". <br /> <br />
:::If it was the case , it would not be possible to use '''"Google translate"''' with "]" in others Misplaced Pages than the version in English language '''(It's disabled on Misplaced Pages in English)'''. <br /> <br />
:::Use an automatic translator can help but it's necessary to verify the translation given. <br /> <br />
:::I advise you to read this "]". <br /> <br />
:::I can translate texts from English to French but the reverse is more complicated for me and impossible for some texts.
:::I'm a native speaker of French language , I haven't a sufficient knowledge of English language to translate from French to English. ] (]) 20:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::Please see: -] (]) 20:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== timeline for responses to edit requests on extended-protected pages? ==
'''Answer:''' No. It comes back as a dead link.


how long is it reasonable to wait for a response to an edit request on an extended-protected page? ] (]) 22:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
3) Can you see images at other Misplaced Pages languages?


:There are no guideline about this subject in my knowledge but you should read this "]" and "]". ] (]) 22:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
'''Answer''': No. I tried Misplaced Pages Chinese and Spanish for several articles-of-the-day and no pictures showed up.
::thanks for these references ] (]) 03:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hard to say, ], but certainly no less than one week. As for your three-day-old request on ], I note that you placed it immediately below a section all but the first sentence of which is an enormity added by you in , made two days earlier than your request. Do you expect people to read and digest that section too? As for your request, it's in the form "Change: To: The sources are here: ." If you (i) change "The sources are here" to "The same suggested replacement text, but with working links", and (ii) remove the line break, the result would be easier for others to understand. However far better than providing mere links would be to specify author(s), title, website and link for each of the five references. -- ] (]) 23:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
4) Can you see http://en.wikipedia.org/images/wikimedia-button.png? It is stored here at http://en.wikipedia.org and displayed in the lower right corner.
::Yes,I think any editor with an interest in this page should be apprised of the point by point critique of its content by Weir's organization...As I said in summary, the Misplaced Pages entry on her in its current form reads more like a hit piece than an objective description of this activist.
::As to the rest of your reply, I will take it under advisement and follow your instructions to the best of my ability....thank you for it! ] (]) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


:::So, {{u|Kenfree}}, you expect others to read your ten screensful of critique, but you haven't bothered to properly format the references in the material you want put in the article. You can expect to wait a very long time for a response. ] (]) 14:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
'''Answer:''' Yes, this image works
::{{u|Hoary}},I think I have succeeded in formatting according to your constructive criticism. Would you be kind enough to take a look at its current iteration and let me know if it is acceptable? Thanks. ] (]) 19:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::It's an improvement, ], but let me reformat one of the references for you. <code><nowiki><ref>Paul Findley, "", Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, December 2006.</ref></nowiki></code>. Now you do the others. But wait -- one of the three references you provide for the claim that Weir " the bias in U.S. media coverage of Middle East events" is her own website (not a disinterested source for the claim); and at least one of the other four references is described in ] as problematic (no, ''not'' as ''Daily Mail''&ndash;level garbage, but dubious even so). So I suggest that you ensure that each of the references you provide is likely to persuade, and then do the needed reformatting. Also, I second {{U|Maproom}}'s comment above. This to the talk page even suggests that "Perhaps someone officially representing Misplaced Pages could reach out to Alison and ask her to help draft a more objective appraisal of her life and activism?" (I hardly know where to start with this; but in a word, ''no''.) Since nobody has yet responded on that talk page to your immense post, I suggest that you rethink what you want to say in it, prepare this via a text editor on your computer, condensing it to no more than one tenth of the bulk of what's there now, and when you're happy with it swiftly copy it and paste it to replace what's there now. If you want to do this, be sure to hurry, carrying out the replacement before your original post gets a comment. -- ] (]) 23:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::]:
::::1) I appreciate your reformating of the single citation which gives me a model to work from, which I will commence with as soon as I finish this reply.
::::2) You do not mention the periodical in question which is supposedly problematic so i cannot reply to this point.
::::3) As to the use of her own website, you seem to miss the point entirely. I adduce it because there is no better place to demonstrate that this is what Alison does as an activist, critique perceived media bias. All three of these latter citations do nothing else than demonstrate this activity on her part (not that her position is correct, in which case, yes, using her own website would be verboten, but just that this is the essence of her activism). If you want to contine this point please do so in the TALK pages of her entry, and we can futher debate it.
::::4) In deference to your request, I have seriously reduced the size of my earlier edit that Included the complete critique of the entry by her team, and cited only the part that directly pertains to the revision I am currently advocating. ] (]) 01:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::], this is sounding more promising. (And I suppose that it's looking so; though I don't intend to take a look. It wouldn't help your persuasiveness if any other editor appeared to be coaching you.) Just one point, on your observation number 2: I very deliberately didn't specify the periodical: Not specifying it would, I hoped, nudge you towards checking each magazine/website/whatever that you're thinking of citing against ]. (Indeed, I suggest that you spend ten minutes grasping a general picture of what that page is doing before using it for specifics.) If a potential source doesn't appear on that page then go to ] and within this, near the top, look for "Search the noticeboard archives". Immediately above this, type in the name of the source, and yes, click on "Search the noticeboard archives". It's quite likely that you'll get a dismaying number of hits; look among these for the newest that doesn't merely mention the source but instead has a discussion about it. (And with this comment, I take my leave of ''this'' discussion.) -- ] (]) 02:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 23 =
5) Does Misplaced Pages:Advice to users using Tor to bypass the Great Firewall help?


== Wierdness with template:Title number ==
'''Answer''': Yes, when I use a VPN with any of these pages, the pictures all work fine. That's why I'm almost certain it's a blocking of upload.wikimedia.org issue. But would like to see if any others in China are having the same results. Maybe it's just my ISP (I am in Shenzhen, Guangdong province)?


Where is the best place for help on templates like ]?
6) Which browser do you have?


I've created ] and grabbed the source for that template used SUBPAGENAME rather than BASEPAGENAME (since it is in my userspace and the first title number it generates is 39 and the second is 4 (the only one it generates should be 4.) My original issues were in Catspace and this is for experimentation. OTOH ] (note no quote) is fine. So it can't handle the apostrophe???] (]) 15:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
'''Answer:''' I have tried this on Firefox 4 and Chrome 11. Same result.
:{{Re|Naraht}} Yes, BASEPAGENAME and SUBPAGENAME are returning a version of the name where the apostrophe has been HTML-encoded as <code>&amp;#39;</code>. The workaround for this is to pass the name to ]. I've added two lines to your sandbox as a demonstration. Perhaps post at ] to ask if this should be done by default. -- ] (]) 15:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Given the limited activity on the talk page (and indeed the template page), I decided to reach out to the original author of that template, but linked back here.] (]) 17:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
{{done}} Worked with template author who implemented {{U|John of Reading}}'s change.


== Help adding image to Infobox ==
PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
] (]) 13:41, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


Trying to put image in info box.
:Everything points to the whole domain upload.wikimedia.org being blocked. All images in articles are stored there. I don't know whether other ISP's in your area might allow it. ] currently says "photographs and certain pages remain inaccessable", with the reference ] {{zh icon}}. I don't read Chinese. ] (]) 18:50, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


For this article: ]
== Please delete or redirect misspelled article ==
{{Resolved}}


I am trying to place the subject's image in the infobox using the image in Wikimedia commons that is here:
Please delete or redirect the misspelled article ] to ]. ] (]) 13:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:I redirected the article. ] (]) 13:57, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


]
== William Procter Profile ==


It won't show up in the correct place. Can you assist me? Grateful for help. ] (]) 18:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
To the Help Desk - I am the Corporate Archivist and Historian for the Procter & Gamble Company. I would like to point out a number of errors in the Misplaced Pages profile of William Procter.


:Don't worry. I've placed the image at the right spot. Do you need any further assistance or questions regarding where to place images at the right spot? ] (]|]) 18:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
The errors are as follows:


== Being harassed by user ==
"Procter immigrated to Cincinnati Ohio in the 1820's...."
Correct information - "Procter emigrated to Cincinnati in 1832"


Hi. I believe I'm being harassed by an user who is going after any and all edits I'm making without reason getting rid of them. They use their wikipedia friends to gang up on me and intimidate me. They're getting rid of what I've added that is sourced and adding unsourced information or leaving it unsourced. ] (]) 20:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
"he joined forces with his brother - in - law, James N. Gamble..."
Correct information - "he joined forces with his brother - in - law James Gamble..."
James N Gamble or James Norris Gamble was James Gamble's son. James Gamble has a different middle name so these names often get confused.


:This is not the forum to raise grievances with the behavior of other users. That is done at ], but be aware that your actions will be examined as well. ] (]) 20:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
".. and grandsons William Cooper and Henry Procter served as company presidents."
:You're not being harassed. You're engaging in an inappropriate behavior called ], and you're ] against people who are trying to explain the correct process to you. Your only steps forward right now are either to listen to what's being said, or to leave the article alone. ] (]) 23:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Correct information - "and grandson William Cooper served as company president.
:There is a difference between what ] and ] which is not permitted. Rather what you find yourself in is a situation where you're having trouble understanding the policies and guidelines of Misplaced Pages. ]&thinsp;] 00:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
There is no Henry Procter. William Cooper Procter was the last Procter or Gamble to serve as company president and he died in 1934.
::Then please explain to me why genres that are sourced on the page of Fetch the bolt cutters are being removed for seemingly no reason? Aren't the genres supposed to be sourced? ] (]) 02:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure I can explain it any better than @] has been trying to tell you at length for a while now. You have a few options going forward: You can solicit assistance in the form of a third opinion over at ]. And, while 331dot mentioned ] I would discourage it because this does not actual meet the primary criteria of "urgent incidents or chronic, intractable behavioral problems" which despite your feelings this does not meet that criteria, instead I would suggest ] as recommended by the ANI page. You could reach out to a but again I would suggest THIRD or DISPUTE processes first. ]&thinsp;] 04:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 24 =
" Mr. Procter has been rumored to be buried in a tomb on the lawn of his St. Bernard Soap Company headquarters in Cincinnati but it is also believed he is bured in Spring Grove Cemetery alongside business partner James Gamble."
Correct information - "Mr. Procter is buried at Spring Grove Cemetery".
The tomb on the lawn (not part of the St. Bernard Soap Company property) is a monument to William Cooper Procter, not a tomb for William Procter. Mr. Procter is also not buried alongside James Gamble. Mr. Gamble is buried on the other side of the cemetery with other members of the Gamble family.


== Duplicative text on ]? ==
This information comes from various sources within our archives but the best public source is a book called RISING TIDE, 165 Years of Brand Building, by Davis Dyer, Fred Dalzell and Rowena Olegario; Harvard Business School Press, 2004. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Thanks for the information, I'll amend the article. In future, you can correct articles yourself by ] at the top of the page - although with articles where you have a conflict of interest, be very careful to keep the article ] and discuss any contentious changes on the talk page. Best, --] (]) 16:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


Hi. I think there is a superfluous paragraph at the end of ]. I added ] to the Talk page asking about it. The automated help text told me that this particular Talk page is "not watched by many users" and suggested asking my question here. So: Is there a superfluous paragraph at the end of ]? If the last two paragraphs say the same thing, one should be eliminated; if not, one or both should be rewritten to clarify the point each is trying to make. ] (]) 00:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
== Moving Pictures from Commons to Misplaced Pages ==
:{{ping|Larrydberg}} I guess ] meant to reformulate the existing paragraph in but forgot to remove the old version. ] (]) 01:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
{{Resolved|1=At least here, further discussion at ].&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 15:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)}}
::I believe so. Apologies. I fixed the issue. <span style="color:#CD0000">] ★ (])</span> 07:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
So, i have recently uploaded about eleven pictures to wikicommons to use in the article ]. I just realized that even though I either took or found with the correct licensing on Flickr each of the immages, the pictures are of public artworks or murals and therefor need a fair use rationale. What would be the best way of moving all these pictures and adding a rationale? do I have to manually re-upload all of the pictures to Misplaced Pages and manually put up each of the ones on Commons for deletion? any help would be great.--] (]) 15:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


== Assistance Required for Published Article Not Going Live ==
:There is a tool that works the other way, Misplaced Pages --> Commons, not sure if it does the reverse. Maybe the ] regulars can assist.&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 15:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


Dear Misplaced Pages Help Desk,
== Fixing Categories. ==


I hope this message finds you well. I published an article on India Semiconductor Mission (username - Display Ecosystem) in November, and it has not gone live yet. The article draft can be found at the following link:https://en.wikipedia.org/User:DisplayEcosystem
Does anyone have any idea how I can get a list of either of the following two groups of pages which almost certainly need to be fixed. (They aren't done in ])
*Pages whose title starts with "List of" where there are categories that don't have a sortkey (either in the category entry or a defaultsort)
*Pages with Eponymous categories (] being in ] for example) that don't have a sortkey of space (I know I've used * in the past which is incorrect as it is for those entries which go after Eponymous keys. (These would be unlikely to have a default sort since for other categories, it should have a different sortkey)] (]) 16:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


I would like to understand the status of this article and whether there are any additional steps or issues preventing it from being moved to the live Misplaced Pages space. Your guidance on resolving this matter would be greatly appreciated.
== Naming convention for biographical sections splitting off into separate articles? ==


Thank you for your time and assistance.
Is there any convention, whether formal or informal, about the name of an article that focuses on the biography of someone? What I mean is, let's assume an article on that person has many sections, including a lengthy biography and other long sections on their theories, practices, influences, legacy, etc., and that the biography section grows to a sufficient size to warrant ] into its own article, with a summary and {{tl|Details}} in the original biography section. Is there any established convention as to what that split-off article should be called? ]? ]? Or something else? Or has it yet to happen on enough articles to establish a convention? ] (]) 16:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


Best regards,
:Certainly frequent for political and religious figures; see ] and ] for examples. ---'''''—&nbsp;]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;'''''</span><sup>]</sup> 17:25, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Sonali Jain ] (]) 05:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

::Probably preaching to the converted here, but my view is that such splits should be the rare exception rather than the rule and only occur when the article would otherwise be too huge. For example the ] series of articles listed in {{tl|Barack Obama}} (in addition to those mentioned by Gadget850). For the vast majority of people the sole article is and should be "the biography". Such articles shouldn't even have separate "biography" sections as the whole article is a biography.&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 17:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses, but neither have quite answered my question. I'm not asking whether or not splitting should occur, but what the article should be ''called'' if it does, exception or not. A writer such as ], for example, led a full life, wrote many plays, had political views, had aesthetic ideas, had a legacy and influence on subsequent writers, etc. If his Life section were to grow overly long, what would we call it when split? I scanned through the two categories offered, but can't spot a "biography" article in either. I see that Barack Obama has "Early Life and Career of..." as a sub-article. I've just worked out how to search for pages that begin... etc. Most seem to be book titles. (].) Some aren't (]). There's ] and ]. None of these seem to be highly rated though. I take it, then, that there's no guideline/convention in place? ] (]) 18:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

:My view is that the "biography" article should always be at the "main" name, so in your example, ] would be the article dealing with his life, with the split articles named appropriately. (Incidentally I don't see the point of having ] separate from ].) Compare for example the ] articles: ] is the main, biographical, article, with ], ], ], and others listed at {{tl|Michael Jackson}}, as the split off articles.&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 18:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I understand your take on it, but that wouldn't be appropriate for someone for whom the biographical details of their life is not the thing for which he/she is principally known. Plenty of writers and thinkers would fall into this category--I wouldn't expect an article on ] to be only his biography; it'd be an account of his philosophical ideas that I'd expect to find, along with criticism of his ideas, influences, legacy. I would expect a biographical sketch to occupy only a part of the main name article. Even the Michael Jackson article falls into this category. In that one, the account of his life and career occupies about 2/3rds of the current article, with other sections--artistry, legacy, etc.--occupying the remaining third. Having glanced at ] and the ], it almost offers an example of what I'm talking about. The main article is currently 42k, while the biography is 68k (well over the desired 50k article length). Now, perhaps the other sections in the main article (political activities, etc.) could conceivably be merged into the biographical sketch, so it's not the best example. For most writers/thinkers, I, personally, would be most irate if I had to scan through a lengthy account of their lives in order to extract information about their ideas/aesthetics/works--so, to me, the notion that a biography should occupy only one section of a main name article seems desirable.

According to the ] principles, we should offer a sliding scale of detail. So my question is: when there ''is'' sufficient detail in a biographical section, the presence of lengthy other sections, and an article length over 50k readable prose, what should the name of the article be that offers the next level of detail on the story of their life? Maybe it's just too rare an occurrence at this stage in the encyclopedia's evolution to have developed a convention. Is this something it is worth initiating a discussion about for an addition to the naming guidelines? If so, ''where'' exactly would it take place? ] (]) 11:40, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

==Wilmington, DE, stats ==
according to the statistics for Wilmington, Delaware 2010, the population has dropped, but where are the other 2010 statistics such as number of households, families, etc.? I am just seeing 2000? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Most Misplaced Pages updates are done manually and incorporating the ] into tens of thousands of articles is a huge work. Some things may not be updated before the next census. See ]. You are welcome to help. ] (]) 19:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

== Adding a new section ==

I would like to finsih adding to an article, but to make the information easier on the eyes, I would need to create a brand new section in the article. How do I do that?
:Start a new line, then use <nowiki>==Section title==</nowiki> for a section, or <nowiki>===Subsection title===</nowiki> for a subsection title, and so on. See ] where it says "section headings". --] (]) 19:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

== What's the point of categories? ==

So I've been diligently adding categories as I new page patrol, and it occured to me that I don't really know what they're for. Do readers use them much? Do they help articles get noticed by the right wikiproject or something? Are some types of category more useful than others? Just wondering really. --] (]) 20:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:They help identify articles and they help to find articles on similar subjects. --]''''']''''' 20:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:For example: when I am creating a new article on a Wisconsin State Senate member, I can search for members of ] for models to follow, reminders of information to gather, leads to possible sources of such information, etc. --] &#x007C; ] 21:14, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
:All of the above. I often like to read about notable people in X field, whether it be crime, academics, business, etc. So having categories is quite useful for me. <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 00:31, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:People must use them. ] is the ], with an average of 825 views a day!.--] (]) 09:30, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

= April 6 =

== Parser help ==

So I've been working on a way to replace the clunky hangon tag process with a direct link in the db- templates. The draft is at {{tl|Db-meta/sandbox2}}. As part of that I have folded in some of the features from hang on, one of which detects whether the tagged page's talk page exists and if it ''does not'', it transcludes the text from {{tl|Hang on/notice2}}. What I was hoping for some help with is the opposite situation. I would like the Db-meta/sandbox2 template to transclude {{tl|Hang on/notice3}} when the talk page ''does exist'', but I need help with the coding. Habla parser function?--] (]) 02:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:Have you seen the documentation at ]? ] (]) 02:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
::Yes of course. It reads like Greek to me though. Maybe I can try again.--] (]) 02:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:::It doesn't seem that complicated to me. At {{tl|Hang on/notice2}} you currently have <code><nowiki>{{#ifexist:{{TALKPAGENAME}}||{{Hang on/notice2}}}}}}</nowiki></code>. If the page exists then the code does nothing because the corresponding parameter (the empty space between the two <code><nowiki>||</nowiki></code>) is blank. Just insert something there. ] (]) 02:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah! it works. Thanks. I get it now: <nowiki>{{If X exists:{{call this}}|{{if X doesn't exist call this}}}}</nowiki> What throws me is the use of the word "value".--] (]) 03:18, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== How to make my article LIVE ==

Hi I have tried the suggested MOVE options to make my draft LIVE on wikipedia but unfortunately I cannot view the MOVE option on my draft page. Can you please suggest how I can publish my article?

] (]) 03:36, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:I moved it to ]. It still needs major improvements. The reason you couldn't move it is that you need a few more edits before you are ]. —] ] ] 07:21, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

::I would have waited and advised SMNow of the probability of speedy deletion. The article is way too spammy for mainspace in its current form.&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 12:56, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== Cannot link to Wrka article. ==

Even though there is a ] article (a river in Poland) in English wikipedia, I have not been able to create a link to it. If I try to search for it, all I get is the WRKA radio station disambiguation page. To find the English article, go to Spanish wikipedia and type Wrka. Then click on the English link and it goes right to the English language page. I wonder if the Wrka page needs to be moved to Wrka River in order to be accessible. Please help! Please respond at my talk page. Thanks. ] (]) 03:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:There is no Wrka article at es.wikipedia.org either, see . Do you have the spelling correct? --]''''']''''' 04:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
::I just tried pl.wikipedia.org as well. Even the Polish Misplaced Pages has no article under that name: . Please double check and maybe give us the actual link at es.wikipedia or pl.wikipedia that has the content you are trying to get at en.wikipedia. --]''''']''''' 04:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I think you meant the ] river, not ].--'''<span style="font-family:century gothic">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 05:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Oh. In that case, the link works fine for me. --]''''']''''' 05:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== Older article copied onto other sites - how do I deal with this? ==

Hi all

Just looking for a bit of advise - earlier this year the Misplaced Pages entry for a youth group I assist with was vandalised with some quite nasty stuff. I've asked for that to be removed and attempted to find the perpetrator without much success alas.

Now its been brought to my attention that some Japanese search engine "goo" has a cached copy of this vandalism up.

I've checked the site and there's no tools to edit, alert administrators or even get an English translation of their homepage

http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Australian_Air_League

Does anyone have any advise on resource to find and removed these "content farm" copies of wikiedpia etc? This is quite frankly bloody annoying as you spent a considerable amount of your free time trying to do good and instead you're running around cleaning up after idiots :-(

Brian <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 04:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:So long as they provide proper attribution so they are compliant with Misplaced Pages's licenses ] and ], websites may republish Misplaced Pages's content at any time, and any version of any article that actually existed. That's a fundemental core principle of how Misplaced Pages is organized. Rather than trying to stop them, this is actually actively encouraged. --]''''']''''' 04:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

::Jayron32, did you actually read the request? Are you saying that a cached copy of a vandalised, possibly slanderous article is fine to be re-published? That would mean I could write the most outrageous lies on a Misplaced Pages page, see it admin-reversed here, and then peddle the lies as Misplaced Pages content elsewhere. Regards — <span style="color: #366; font-family: serif; text-shadow: 1px 1px 1px #000;">]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]</span> 06:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:::@Peterstrempel: Yes, a cached, old copy of an article which contains vandalism is also licensed under the appropriate licesnces (as are talk page conversations, just like this one) and, so long as proper attribution is given by the rules, those old versions are perfectly legal to post, and within the letter and spirit of Misplaced Pages's licenses. That doesn't mean we cannot make a friendly request that a website update an old version to a more current one; however ''there is nothing we can do to force sites'' to fix or take down properly attributed text which has been copied from Misplaced Pages. --]''''']''''' 16:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:::My Japanese isn't all that strong, but is there a part of that site that allows you to submit a url for re-indexing? ] (]) 09:04, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:::Yep, I think Jayron's got it right. As long as they follow the licences to the letter, they can do whatever they want with Misplaced Pages's content.--] (]) 09:24, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

::::Yes, publishing the content elsewhere with proper attribution (an URL to the Misplaced Pages article) would be okay. However, "<nowiki></nowiki> the lies as Misplaced Pages content" may or may not be okay, as the license prohibits ''implicitly or explicitly <nowiki> or </nowiki> any connection with, sponsorship or endorsement by the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties (...)''. <code>]</code> <small>(])</small> 09:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::Oh whoops. I was thinking along the lines of Bgrinter's original comment - about questionable content that undoubtedly originated from a Misplaced Pages article. If they're adding their own lies into the text, and passing it off as coming from Misplaced Pages, then that'd be different.--] (]) 09:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

{{outdent|6}}Sorry, Brian, except for Darigan these guys seem pretty indifferent to your actual problem. I have asked a Japanese-speaking administrator to take a look at the site to see whether there is an option for requesting a cache refresh on that site. Regards — <span style="color: #366; font-family: serif; text-shadow: 1px 1px 1px #000;">]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]</span> 11:40, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:Their page for correcting or deleting personal information is here. That whole page is about appropriate handling of personal information and how seriously they take their responsibilities in that regard. I'll email them and ask that they update the page. — ] (]) 01:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:No response yet. — ] (]) 19:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Strange appearance of Misplaced Pages pages ==

Somehow, Misplaced Pages appears strangely in my browser. The following is a screenshot:
.
I am using Firefox 3.6.16 on Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. Any ideas? ] (]) 10:40, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Mmmh, it seems to be a hardware issue on my end. When I tried to safe another screenshot in Paint, I got a message saying something like: "Not enough quotes available to execute this instruction". ] (]) 10:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:<small>I would suppose it read ] rather than ]! --] (]) 18:30, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</small>

== Christ the King College in Sierra Leone ==

Hi,
Christ the King College (CKC) in Bo Southern Sierra Leone is not a technical college. i am an old boy of the school. It is one of the oldest senior secondary/High schools. Thank you. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I have made the change to the ] article based on the information in the external link. ] (]) 11:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
::However, on closer inspection the entire content is a direct copy of the website so i've nominated it for deletion per ]. ] (]) 12:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== Changes the old user name Despotovic in the new user name Despotović ==
{{resolved|AGF here. Redirected pages to new account.] ]}}
I kindly ask some administrator to move the User:Despotovic to User:Despotović because it's the same person - me. In fact, when I started the first registration on Misplaced Pages it was on the name Despotovic, later, someone changed my pages to Despotović and than I changed the user name to Despotović and since then constantly edit under this name. I would pray that you observe this explanation.--] (]) 11:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== How to get a TOC to appear on a Discussion page ==

At ] I can't get a table of contents box to appear on the page. Initially I thought it was because the first conversation didn't have a title, but even after giving it one a TOC won't appear. Any ideas?—] (]) 13:12, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:Fixed.

:In the "WikiProject Biography" header, the talk page ] another page - ]. And that page had a == heading == so, the TOC on ] was being hidden within the bio header (comments, 'show').

:I just from the comments page. Should be OK now. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 13:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
::Not sure I understand that transclusion business but thanks, and thanks for the update at my Talk page.—] (]) 13:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== Reproducing Transient Technical Documentation ==

Here is some old .Net framework technical documentation that is still relevant today:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/xy8ebtbf(v=VS.71).aspx

Microsoft is notorious for breaking links to technical articles under their control (ie. they remove pages or change their locations).

May I reproduce the content of the above page in Misplaced Pages so that it has a permanent and reliable place in cyberspace? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:No, not on Misplaced Pages as we cannot accept copyrighted materials except in ]. This material is clearly copyright Microsoft and has a clear copyright notice (''© 2011 Microsoft. All rights reserved.'')&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 13:48, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:You can however use ] to store it to prevent linkrot. ] (]) 13:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:: ] is indeed the answer. Thank you! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== what to do? Found serious innacuracy in a Misplaced Pages article ==

The Misplaced Pages article on Augeus has a section (Marriage to Medea) that confuses Augeus with Aegeus. Augeus never married Medea. Whole section should be deleted.

All the help I've been able to track down doesn't tell me how to correct a factually inaccurate article. Advice? Does some energetic existing editor want to correct it for me? Very easy to verify the inaccuracy.

] (]) 13:57, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:I think you should raise this issue on the articles talk page. I personally cannot verify what is correct or not, because the source is an offline one. Thus if you point out the error on the talk page with stating that you have checked the given source, I think other editors can check your motivation. Deleting a sourced section could otherwise be regarded as vandalism by the other editors. ] (]) 14:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:{{diff2|422699728|Sorted}} in ] (note, not Augeus); already covered in ]. You could have done the edit, as this is "Misplaced Pages, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit". With reference to the point about deleting a sourced section, mentioned by Toshio above, note that the quote says Aegeus, not Augeas. - ] (]) 14:48, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== How do I create a page about myself? ==

Hi!
I am a well known anchor and actor based out of Mumbai (India) and would like to have a page about myself on Misplaced Pages. Please tell me how I can go about creating one.

Thanks <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:42, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:You shouldn't create a page about yourself. Please read ]. Please also read ] to see whether you satisfy the criteria for someone else to create a page about you. - ] (]) 14:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:Another page that would be helpful to read is the guideline on autbiographies, ]. ] (]) 14:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

::You will need a list of ] that others can access, and which can attest to your suitibility as a subject of an article (not every person merits an article at Misplaced Pages), see ] and ] for more. Once you have compiled these sources, you may request that someone else create an article about you at ]. Simply find the appropriate category (probably "Journalism and journalists" for you), and add your name with a brief description of who you are, as well as as many independent, reliable sources that others can use to write an article. --]''''']''''' 15:56, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:::There are other options available, such as .&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 16:23, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== When did congress remove money from Social Security ==

Will congress ever repay the money they removed from Social Security? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:] Have you tried Misplaced Pages's ]? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.{{z37}}<!-- Template:RD1 --> ] (]) 14:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== adult literature program ==

what is mean by adult literature program? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:] Have you tried Misplaced Pages's ]? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.{{z37}}<!-- Template:RD1 -->&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 15:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== 'followed by' and 'preceded by' ==

Why Misplaced Pages is not showing 'followed by' and 'preceded by' links nowadays? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:58, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Those links are usually part of templates that are called "infoboxes", see ]. Some infoboxes, used in some types of articles, used to have these links and they have recently been removed. The links have '''not''' been removed from all, or even most, infoboxes. There are several that still use chronological links quite frequently, for example see ], which has several infoboxes; the one on the right clearly lists the kings that came before and after him, and there are a whole bunch of infoboxes at the bottom of the page that use the "preceded by" and "followed by" convention. You can also see the same functionality in the article for the song "]", under the infobox section "Beatles singles chronology". However, there are some infoboxes that used to feature the information where it HAS been removed, usually because of ambiguity regarding its use. See ] where there is a discussion which explains why it was removed from film articles, you can read that at your own leisure. --]''''']''''' 16:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== Keeping track of AfDs ==
{{resolved|] ]}}
Is there a way of sorting ongoing AfD discussions so that I can see, for example, only those that I have started, or only those that I have participated in? ] ] 16:31, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
:Here is a link that tells you what pages you have created in the Misplaced Pages namespace, http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php?name=Doomgaze&namespace=4&redirects=noredirects. Righ now all of yours are AFDs. Not sure how to get the AFDs you have contributed to. ] (]) 16:57, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you, that'll be quite useful! ] ] 18:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

== Talk page created in error ==

An IP has created ] with some irrelevant content. It looks like good faith, but I want to revert it, only I don't know the best way to do it. Should I just blank it, or should I leave some sort of place-holder saying what I've done? --] (]) 18:26, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:Remove what they wrote, and put <nowiki>{{talkpage}}</nowiki> - just that; which will make a standard talkpage header. If you want, you could leave the IP user a welcome note such as {{tn|Welcome-anon}} on their talk page (which is ]), and maybe ask 'em to please not use talk pages to advertise. (But ]) <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 18:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

::'''Update:''' - someone beat us to it, with the first part - see <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 18:31, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:::Well, only because I saw it raised here and then checked to see whether it had been done! &nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 18:35, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

::::{{tl|Talkpage}} is a redirect to {{tl|Talk header}}— this template is intended only for talk pages with issues; see the documentation. ---'''''—&nbsp;]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;'''''</span><sup>]</sup> 02:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

:::::There's no harm leaving it on this talk page just in case the IP comes back looking for their advert...&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 13:58, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Misplaced Pages Symbol ==

Hello,
What is the history and meaning of the Symbol / colophone for Misplaced Pages?
It is the Symbol in the top left corner of the Misplaced Pages page, above the name "Misplaced Pages". <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:28, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:See ].--] (]) 22:40, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

= April 7 =

== Calculating population density ==

I'd like to update the population for all remaining MN cities, and am wondering whether it is acceptable to recalculate the population density. Others don't seem to be doing so. &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;] 07:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:] are allowed without infringing the ] rule. ] (]) 08:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:: A-ha, I knew I had to be missing something. Thanks. &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;] 08:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Editing a link in a reference ==

Dear Sirs

I would like to edit the link in one of the references on the bubwith page as it links to the wrong Ofsted report - I have edited on Misplaced Pages before but not in the references section - having clicked on the "edit" next to the "references" title I cannot see the relevant link in order to edit it and wondered if you could help.

I am unable to find anything to help me under FAQ and help.

Many thanks

] (]) 10:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

:You need to edit the section where the reference is called up. If you click on the caret symbol (^) in the reference, that will take you up to where it is defined. - ] (]) 10:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

::Hello Careyrowan, what you can do is click the edit button at the very top of the page, next to the read button, which will allow you to edit the whole page. In the edit window scroll down a little and you will find a section that reads:

::'''<nowiki>Bubwith also has a ] and a leisure centre (which hosts Bubwith Playgroup.<ref>{{cite web|url = http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/oxcare_reports/download/%28id%29/271969/%28as%29/314588_INSP.pdf |title = Bubwith Playgroup Ofsted Report |format = PDF | accessdate= 30 January 2011}} </ref>)</nowiki>'''

::This section uses a <nowiki>{{cite web}}</nowiki> template, which you can find out more about . Simply replace the report which is linked in the '''|url=''' field with the new report, and also update the '''|title=''' and '''|accessdate=''' field should these be different. Probably a good idea to click '''show preview''' to make sure it formats correctly. Hope that helps! ] ]

Thanks - all sorted now ] (]) 20:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Is there no encrypted connection offered for when visiting https://secure.wikimedia.org ? ==

I could swear this worked earlier long time ago, but there seem to be no encryption for when visiting articles under https://secure.wikimedia.org, and I wonder if something is wrong somewhere or if encryption is not really offered.

My browser indicate that the connection to wikipedia is not encrypted as I would otherwise have expected. Encryption seem to work for me with searches at https://encrypted.google.com but not at https://secure.wikimedia.org.

Is there no encrypted connection offered for when visiting https://secure.wikimedia.org ? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:It would help us to know what browser you are using. <sup>]</sup>]</sub><small> @ 11:22, 3 Nisan 5771 / 7 April 2011 (UTC)</small>

:When I go to https://secure.wikimedia.org with IE7 on XP Pro SP3 a box comes up that says there are secure and unsecure items on the page do I want to display the nonsecure items. If I say yes everything shows up but the lock on IE to show it is secure does not. If I say no, all the text of the page shows up, none of the images show up and the lock to show it is a secure page is there. It appears from this that the images are not coming in over the secure network but everything else is. ] (]) 11:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
*::The secure servers of Misplaced Pages are actually not that secure. Read ] for all the information you'll need on this. Write back if wish further assistance.] ] 11:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

:First let me say that I am unsure how to properly edit and type in text here. I am the original poster for this inquiry and want to add that I use the Opera 11.01 browser. It is worth mentioning that when I load any page at https://secure.wikimedia.org, I briefly get a "secure" indication in my browser, however when the page is fully loaded the indication changes to showing that the connection is insecure (I have simply assumed that this means there is no encrypted connection). Lastly, I want to thank Wifione for linking to https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/Wikipedia:Secure_server. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Interesting, I get the exact same results as you, using chrome on mac. If you are concered about privacy issues I suggest you create an account (see ), as without one you are identified by the IP address that you used. Don't worry, you replied correctly, but just remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of your message. Cheers! ] ] 14:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Peter O'Toole ==

Why was the film "How To Steal A Million" not listed in Peter O'Toole's filmography? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:14, 7 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:It is. In ], under 1966 - '']''. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 12:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Australian War Memorial images ==
{{resolved|1=–Keraunoscopia}}
I believe that several images from the ] backlog can be untagged because their watermarks can't legally be removed. I was reading page of the AWM site, and it says, "You may download, display, print and reproduce this material in unaltered form only for your educational, non-commercial use or use within your organisation, provided you attribute the Australian War Memorial." I hate to ask a "legal" question on the Help desk, but as it pertains directly to Misplaced Pages in this case, what I'm wondering is if I'm correct in thinking what I stated above: the images cannot be altered, so the {{tl|watermark}} tag should be removed from these images, and that's that. Is that correct? – <i><font color="#104FFF">Ker</font><font color="#187FFF">αun</font><font color="#18AFFF">oςc</font><font color="#18DFFF">op</font><font color="#18FFFF">ia<sup>◁</sup></font><sub><font color="#5E1FFF">]</font></sub></i> 12:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:I would recommend you ask at ]. I don't believe it's clear cut. The images are being used on Enwiki under claim of "fair use", which (if valid) does not require their permission. While watermarks may be required as part of licensing, that doesn't seem to be an issue when we are not relying on the license (which is unacceptable) but provisions of copyright law that permit our usage of the content ''without'' their permission. Still, I'd recommend asking at ]. I'd also personally recommend not removing the watermark yourself no matter the feedback there if you aren't comfortable removing it; it's important to remember that we are each legally liable for our own actions on Misplaced Pages, no matter what somebody else tells us. We're not supposed to give legal advice. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

::Excellent, thank you. I know my question was a blurry one, because i wasn't asking for legal advice for ''me'', per se, but since I was more or less curious about the images we're using here. But your answer is perfect, thank you. – <i><font color="#104FFF">Ker</font><font color="#187FFF">αun</font><font color="#18AFFF">oςc</font><font color="#18DFFF">op</font><font color="#18FFFF">ia<sup>◁</sup></font><sub><font color="#5E1FFF">]</font></sub></i> 21:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== How to locate where a wikilink originates from ==

I merged the article ] into ]. I am now going through the Wikilinks to Sony Group in order to fix double redirects. "What links here" says ] links to Sony Group. However, I am unable to locate the corresponding wikilink inside the article text. How can I find it? ] (]) 13:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:I generally open the edit window and use "find" on my browser window. That allows me to locate the link whether it is direct or ]. In this case, it's linked twice from within the section "Non-gaming Company Spaces". :) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:32, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

{{ec}}
:It is in the table entry for "FevaArena" - twice;
<div class="notice" style="background:#def; border:1px solid #468; padding:0.5em; margin:0.5em auto; background-color:#EBFFEB;"><nowiki>|</nowiki>{{colour|red|<nowiki>]</nowiki>}}<nowiki> <ref>{{cite web|url=http://translate.google.com </nowiki>

<nowiki>|FevaArena Entrance</nowiki>

<nowiki>|*"FevaArena Global Pitch Area" - Released worldwide on June 10, 2010; the first global public space in the Home Open Beta allowing users from Asia, Europe, Japan, and North America to converge in one space to participate in events, mini-games, and to celebrate the 2010 FIFA World Cup<br>*A lounge for the ] supported by </nowiki>{{colour|red|<nowiki>]</nowiki>}}<nowiki><br>*An area for events</nowiki>...
</div>

:I found it just by editing the entire page, and searching for the link. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 13:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

::I found it and fixed it. Thanks very much. ] (]) 13:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

One last thing, I first pasted the content of Sony Group into Sony, but undid that revision. Then I performed the merger correctly. However that means there is now one revision that lacks proper attribution, if I understand correctly. Is there a way to delete this revision? ] (]) 13:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think there is any need for this, because your edit summaries make it clear where the text came from. -- ] (]) 15:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'd agree. Also help here is template {{tl|copied}}, which has an optional parameter to indicate when you placed the text. --] <sup>]</sup> 19:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Can i remove teachers names from a Misplaced Pages page? ==

Due to privacy issues - can I remove a teachers name from a Misplaced Pages page?
Also who approved what goes on to a Misplaced Pages page in the first place? I get that you are an encyclopedia and you want to know the history of the school but some of the info is just not needed. Every time I try to make a change to make it more correct - I get stopped and told I am vandisling the page. Please help. ] (]) 14:11, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, you can and should remove the names, if they are not widely publicised - see ].


:It's because all of that content is on your Userpage. If you want to publish it completely then you should move it to a new space. However, I'd move that content to a draft and continue working on it since it still doesn't look ready to me. Should I move it to a draft so you can continue working on it? ] (]|]) 05:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:As you can see in the above, there are special rules concerning living people; however, '''all''' facts need ] - e.g. a newspaper, a book, or something - where the fact can be ]. Anything lacking a reliable source may be challenged and/or removed
::Please guide me on further steps to make it live. It would be really great if you could provide me with your valuable feedbacks on page and it's content. ] (]) 05:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes sure, you can move it to draft so that I can publish it again. ] (]) 05:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Sure, I'll create a draft for you but please keep working on the content to make it better and then publish it. ] (]|]) 05:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::What do you want the title to be? ] (]|]) 05:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::The article is all about "India Semiconductor Mission". ] (]) 05:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I have left a message on your talk page. If you are employed at India Semiconductor Mission, you are considered a paid editor and should make a paid contribution disclosure as explained in the message. Please also see ]. ] (]) 05:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I would like to clarify that I am not employed at India Semiconductor Mission. This page is being created for a government organization, which operates under the Ministry. Therefore, it should not be considered as a paid contribution.
:::::::I kindly request your guidance on any further enhancements or adjustments required to meet Misplaced Pages's standards. ] (]) 06:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::You would also be a paid editor if you are employed or paid by the Ministry. For advice on your draft, it currently has no sources apart from external links. Misplaced Pages does not care about what India Semiconductor Mission or the Ministry says about itself. You need to find reliable sources that are independent of India Semiconductor Mission and base the article on what those sources say. If no such sources can be found, the organization probably does not satisfy Misplaced Pages's ]. You can also read ] for further advice. ] (]) 06:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, @].
:Editors who try to create an article before they have spent significant time learning how Misplaced Pages works often have a disappointing and frustrating task, because they have no idea what it takes to create a Misplaced Pages article. It's like trying to build a house when you have no knowledge of surveying, building, plumbing, electrical installation, etc. And it's even harder when you have a ].
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:Be aware that Misplaced Pages is basically not interested at all in what you know (whoever you are) or in what the subject of the article (or their associates) say or want to say. A Misplaced Pages article should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, and very little else. ''First'' find your sources (and make sure they are independent: see ]) ''then'' forget everything you know about the subject, and write a summary of what those sources say. ] (]) 12:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭 ==
:As regards your edits which were reverted - look at the , and find out who reverted - then speak to them - ie, in that case, on ] and ]. Just (politely) ask them to clarify why they removed things, and see if you can come to agreement with them.<small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 14:14, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭 ] (]) 17:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::The names are available on line at http://www.weedenheightsps.vic.edu.au/Staff.aspx however I don't especially object to removing them. In general, decisions about Misplaced Pages article content are made through consensus - have a look at ] for more information. ] (]) 14:18, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:What happens when you use ]? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 17:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Flag of Syria ==
:::To be honest, I'm not sure we should even have that article: primary schools aren't automatically eligable for inclusion, and it doesn't seem to meet our ]. I'm going to nominate it for a deletion discussion.--] (]) 14:18, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


::::In these situations the common practice is to redirect to the relevant town or city article if there is one. So in this case to ].&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 14:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC) How can I change current Syrian flag in the page ] with the 1980-2024 version? ] (]) 17:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:This discussion might be helpful: ] ]&nbsp;] 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== George Washington ==
== Referencing URLs that contain square brackets ==


It states in the Misplaced Pages, George Washington, political party - independent. I believe that to be incorrect and he was a member of the Whig. ] (]) 19:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Is there a way to use URLs that contain square brackets as references? They always seem to not format properly, as you can see in this new article that I just came across, , reference number 3. I've always just replaced the reference with a different one, but is there a way to use the original? ] ] 14:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:I've the URL using the advice at ]. -- ] (]) 15:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


:If you wish to change it, you will need to provide a reliable source backing up your claim. ] (]) 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
] URLs containing certain characters will display and link incorrectly unless those characters are encoded. For example, a space must be replaced by %20.
:In my knowledge he was never member of any political party. <br /> <br />
:About "]" , I verified if my knowledge were wrong and I confirm he was never member of a political party accorded to searches done. ] (]) 21:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::George Washington was not a member of a political party, and he was opposed to the very idea of political parties, as he explained in ] in 1796. His thoughts on that matter have been widely ignored ever since, and ], for example, was heavily involved in party politics. ] (]) 04:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks @] for the details about the matter. I did knew nothing about this letter. <br /> <br /> ] (]) 04:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


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Ahir cast 1 gujrati sAhirurname add chhaida છૈડા ] (]) 21:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
URLs may also be automatically encoded by using the <code>urlencode</code> magic word: <code><nowiki>{{urlencode|</nowiki>''url''<nowiki>|WIKI}}</nowiki></code><!--- TemplateHD/url ---> ---'''''—&nbsp;]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;'''''</span><sup>]</sup> 15:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


:This forum is only about '''"Misplaced Pages in English language"''' and not '''"Misplaced Pages in another language"'''. ] (]) 22:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
{{small|The help page at meta seems to be out of date— I just did some testing and only the characters listed above need to be encoded.}}
:Are you asking to add something to ] or to ]? If so, the talk page of the relevant article is the best place to ask. But be aware that unless a ] is found, information may not be added to Misplaced Pages articles. ] (]) 23:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


] (]) 22:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
{{Resolved}}
Can someone please give me some help in getting the reference at ] to work? (It is reference 25 on Tom LaPierre.) I've already changed one ? to a %3F, but it is still not showing as a reference. :( ] (]) 15:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:Also . Perhaps multiple adjacent apostrophes cause a problem? -- ] (]) 15:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


== Citing YouTube video is not allowed, what can I do? ==
::Looks like it gets parsed as wikimarkup first and the two single quotes are interpreted as italic markup. I updated {{tl|HD/url}}. ---'''''—&nbsp;]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;'''''</span><sup>]</sup> 16:41, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I figured after banging my head against it for 15 minutes that I needed to come to the help desk. I'm not sure if there is a better place than hear to ask, but asking here did work. :) ] (]) 19:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


Hello all!
== Is the relevant? The Open to Hope Foundation ==


I was revising a page about a TV drama and citing YouTube interviews of the actors which are rejected by the system.
I want to add The Open to Hope Foundation or opentohope.com to wikipedia, is that relevant? It is a non-profit online resource for those who have suffered a loss (a death).
I ended up mentioning the year and program of the interviews, which got entirely removed by Rastinition, which I believe should be Misplaced Pages.
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What can I do? Not sure if it is a piece of information that will make a difference, the language I am amending is traditional Chinese. ] (]) 23:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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= December 25 =
== Where would I request rollback/Twinkle rights re-added? ==


== Wrong information about Roman emperor Augustus ==
While I don't want to go into the details, I feel my rollback and twinkle were recently removed unfairly. Where would I request the return of those rights? '''] ]]''' 16:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:] would be the best place, but be aware you are going to have to provide details, you can't just say "I didn't like losing them, so because of that I want the rights back". --]''''']''''' 16:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


If Augustus was born in 63BC and died in AD14 he was 51 years old when he died. How come your Misplaced Pages lists his age 74 when he died. Please correct the information about Augustus’s age when he died in AD 14. ] (]) 00:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:Before AN, you'd be best discussing it with the person who removed it - that is, {{user4|King of Hearts}} - on eir talk page, or via email. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 16:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


:You can make the change yourself and provide proper, reliable source to back up your claim. ] (]) 01:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:Alrighty, thanks; the only reason I didn't mention it here is that I didn't want some huge conversation to start on it yet. :) '''] ]]''' 16:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:Where does it say 74? ] correctly says 75. BC means Before Christ. AD meand ] which is after Christ. There was no year 0 and he didn't reach his birthday in his year of death so he was 63-1+14-1 = 75. ] (]) 01:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Adding crypto address for donations ==
== Can't move userspace draft into mainspace ==


Why dont you add crypto donations? Its probable easier for peoplr to transfer from digital wallet ] (]) 01:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
I want to move an article I have created in my userspace into mainspace. However, I cannot do this. It says the page cannot be moved and I should ask an admin for help. What do I need to do in order to move ] into mainspace? ] (]) 16:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


:We don't have anything to do with the donation process; please offer your suggestions to donate@wikimedia.org. ] (]) 01:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:You can't move the page because the title ] already exist, albeit as a redirect. What you need to do is <span class=plainlinks></span> and add the following:
:Adding to what 331dot said above, crypto donations were stopped following ], which you should read before making suggestions. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 04:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:<code><nowiki>{{db-move|1=User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Wolstenholme prime|2=Article over redirect}}</nowiki></code>
:An admin will be along shortly and perform the move for you, once that's done. <sup>]</sup>]</sub><small> @ 16:47, 3 Nisan 5771 / 7 April 2011 (UTC)</small>
::The article looks good, and it deserves to be moved to main space, but it would clobber a redirect if it were moved directly. There is a previous mainspace article sitting under the redirect. Please take a look at to see the old version of the article which got replaced by the redirect. See if there is any material there which ought to be merged into your new version. Contact any admin when you complete your work and think the article is ready to be moved. As an alternative, you could just open directly to merge your new material into it. This would not require any admin action. Thanks, ] (]) 16:51, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I think my article is ready. The previous article does not contain any information, not already in my draft. {{strikethrough|Where should I go in order to find an admin for this?}} ] (]) 16:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::::I will do it myself now. Have added that line ] (]) 17:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


== Pending Changes duration ==
I added the line mentioned above to the redirect page, but I still get the message


Typically how long is Pending Changes turned on for individual articles? I ask because, assuming I'm interpreting correctly, Pending Changes has been turned on for the Henry David Thoreau article since 2017. ] (]) 07:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.


:It seems that Pending Changes status won't expired after a period of time. According to ], editors can make request for unprotection to remove PC. ] (]) 16:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
What else do I have to do? ] (]) 17:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


== How do I change my monthly donation ==
:It's only a quarter of an hour since you put the tag on the redirect page, so a little patience would be wise. Avicennasis said "An admin will be along shortly and perform the move for you, once that's done", and he did mean "shortly", not "instantly". - ] (]) 17:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:And to see that it's in the queue for admin action, you can see it at ]. - ] (]) 17:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. Will wait then. ] (]) 17:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:::You'll see that it's now been done. - ] (]) 17:28, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Cool, thank you all very much. ] (]) 17:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Please check to see if our existing article on ] should have a link or a 'See also' to your new article on ]. Maybe you can think of some other improvements that might be added to ], since you know this material. Thanks, ] (]) 17:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::I added two wikilinks to ] pointing to ]. ] (]) 17:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


How do I change my monthly donation ] (]) 10:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== WANT TO BE A MEMBER ==
:See ]. ] (]) 10:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please? ==
hello am THE 2ND WORLD MAN also here to verify about the WWE and also the belt article i will be glad if my request has been granted succesfully thanks <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If you would like to sign up for a Misplaced Pages account, instructions for doing so are ]. --]''''']''''' 21:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for  my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please? ] (]) 13:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== Automatic facebook page ==


:If you are ] here, then fortunately you are still alive on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately Misplaced Pages has no control over what external websites and search engines say, and you would have to find a way of contacting them directly.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
The company I work for just started their facebook page. Unfortunately, there seems to be one already that is a direct link to the wikipedia article about it (we updated the article & the page updated too). We would like to remove this facebook page. Is this something that you guys do? I've notices the same kind of page for several other companies in our field who don't have regular facebook pages. If this is something I have to contact facebook about, please let me know.] (]) 20:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:(ec) The article about you(]) currently indicates you are alive, though in November it was edited to say you had died(, even providing a source, though I know little about it). This was removed, but perhaps Google has not indexed this change.
:If there's a problem with a Facebook page, you will have to contact Facebook. If you plan to update your company's page at Misplaced Pages, please read and follow the ]. -- ] (]) 20:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
::The pages of Misplaced Pages content on facebook are mirror pages created by facebook. Misplaced Pages has no control over them. ] (]) 20:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC) :We can't help you with issues surrounding Google searches; you would need to contact Google or the sources that indicate you are deceased to ask them to issue corrections. ] (]) 13:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
* might give the impression that Misplaced Pages is saying that Nigel Pegram died on 28 October 2024. Not sure where they found this, but it wasn't the current version of the Misplaced Pages article.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 13:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:Indeed, downstream copying of Misplaced Pages content, so long as the copier complies with the terms of Misplaced Pages's licenses ] and ], are allowed. If it's not at a Wikimedia site, however, like en.wikipedia.org, then we have no control over the content. --]''''']''''' 21:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
*:They could have found it in added by an editor (Rolando Williams) who was maliciously altering various dates in biographies and has now been blocked. Apologies to @] and please note that the advice at ] says that this is one type of vandalism you can immediately revert yourself. However, please make other suggestions for changes to the article on its Talk Page. ] (]) 13:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Ok, thanks!] (]) 21:33, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
*::Dear Michael, Thank you so much for your quick reply and for explaining the situation.
*::Happy Christmas!
*::Best wishes
*::Nigel (Pegram) ] (]) 14:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Nigelpegram}} The alleged death was copied from Misplaced Pages to {{Q|Q106264634}} at our sister project Wikidata on 11 November 2024. It was removed from Misplaced Pages 16 November but not from Wikidata. I have now removed it. Google does not reveal sources for their data fields, only the text snippet at the start if it's from Misplaced Pages, so I cannot say whether it will have an effect later. Here is a stock reply for similar posts:
::::] Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's ] uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Misplaced Pages" to indicate that particular text was copied from Misplaced Pages. An image and other text before or after the Misplaced Pages excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Misplaced Pages. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines.<!--- Template:HD/GKG ---> ] (]) 18:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== False historical information ==
== Please Integrate Misplaced Pages with Social Media Sites such as Facebook, Twitter etc ==


I can’t seem to get any of the false historical information posted on this site to be removed / updated.
Dear Misplaced Pages Helpdesk,


How can we get this addressed in a quick manner? ] (]) 16:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
I have been one of millions of beneficiaries of the wealth of information Misplaced Pages offers to all its users. I had a suggestion for Misplaced Pages to be integrated with all of the Social Media sites such as Facebook, Twitter since Social Media is a phenomena that no one can ignore and it would greatly benefit all Misplaced Pages users to share Misplaced Pages links/pages with their social networks.


:If you've tried to remove false information by ], remember to either include a source or remove information without a source. ] - if a reliable source reports on an untrue fact, Misplaced Pages will host it as if it was true in most cases. Enough factual information is published to where running this way is more efficient than being a platform of ]. ] (]) 16:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks,
:Generally, the best way to address an inaccuracy in an article is to start on the article's talk page. If the "inaccuracy" is cited to a reliable source, you'd need to provide other reliable sources that counter it. ]&nbsp;] 16:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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    December 22

    Query re: Search Engine Optimization

    There was recently a very long thread at ANI about a user who was eventually site blocked. I won’t link to the thread because, frankly, life is too precious.

    The user was a promo-only account who initially attracted attention to themselves by opening multiple threads to try to rush 3 film articles through AfC. The stated aim of the user was to get the articles to appear on Google searches to coincide with the US release of one of the films – i.e. apparent search engine optimization (SEO), as can be seen here .

    The user also went to great lengths (again across multiple threads) trying unsuccessfully to remove PAID and/or COI tags from the articles.

    The intersection between these two aims is clarified by the user’s suggestion that These tags negatively impact the articles' indexing and discoverability , reducing accessibility for readers. This is not about SEO but ensuring that notable topics are properly represented and accessible.

    I’d be interested to hear from other users on the issue of whether or not the presence of such tags would represent a serious impediment to the aims of someone involved in SEO. The film mainly in question here (It's Coming (film)) currently has 2 tags and appears 5th on a Google search for “It’s Coming film” and not on the first few pages of results if searching for “It’s Coming” (which is evidently far too generic a search term).

    Any input here would be much appreciated. Axad12 (talk) 07:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    My own understanding is that Misplaced Pages has its own objectives, rules, and policies, and ignores the objectives of SEO agents. If an editor admits that his objective is SEO, I personally would be disinclined to cooperate with him. If I read the suggestion you quote in teal above, I'd respond "That's great – I hope you'll work on improving the article until an impartial editor removes those tags." Maproom (talk) 09:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    See this ANI thread for further views. The now-banned Stan1900 has been remarkably effective at making enemies. Maproom (talk) 09:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    Well, quite so (in response to both of your posts above). The user almost went out of their way to advertise their promotional and SEO objectives and then behaved at ANI in such as way that their conduct there alone was enough to get them blocked.
    However, my question is whether the existence of the tags interferes with attempts at search engine optimisation. And also, how does it interfere?
    To some extent I'm inclined to briefly remove the tags and see if the article moves from #5 to #1 on the Google search, but I'm reluctant to make an edit for such a contrived and non wiki-related reason. If I put the names of some (relatively obscure) untagged films into Google they do tend to occupy the #1 spot in a search - so there would seem to be some evidence that the blocked user was rather knowledgeable on how tags influence SEO (possibly implying a promotional background?).
    If COI/PAID tags do interfere with attempts at SEO then that can only be a good thing, of course. Axad12 (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    The movie in question is It's Coming (film). A Gooogle search for two common words like "it's coming" is going to produce countless false search results. But search terms "it's coming movie" and "it's coming film" have the Misplaced Pages article ranked about #5 on Google, which is pretty darned good. The film's own website and trailer and Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb rank higher. The specifics of Google's ever changing search algorithms are opaque, providing employment to countless SEO specialists. Of course, the prominent banners at the top of the article may deter prospective streaming viewers, but that is the result of the primary author behaving like a total ass in so many ways. The one constant that I have noticed over the years is that more comprehensive Misplaced Pages articles tend to rank higher than briefer articles, which is no surprise. Cullen328 (talk) 10:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    And hence perhaps another reason for the user having wanted to pad out the article with a great number of positive quotes from reviews. Although, in fairness, there were other (entirely neutral) ways in which the article might have been lengthened if that had been the intention.
    However, that still leaves the question of why the user was so sure that These tags negatively impact the articles' indexing and discoverability .
    Obviously it's staggering that the user felt that non-conflicted users would find an SEO-based reasoning a compelling argument to remove the COI/PAID tags - but it seems reasonable to assume that he believed what he was saying. Axad12 (talk) 11:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    Google, and other search engine operators, do not reveal their criteria for evaluating pages, as that would make it too easy for people to game their evaluations. There are techniques that SEO people discuss and use; if you're interested, you'll be able to find such discussions. It seems to me likely that a long Misplaced Pages article will score higher than a short one, and that one with tags at the top will score lower. An SEO expert will know far more about these things than I do. Maproom (talk) 12:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    Witness statements as sources

    Should witness statements for court cases or public enquiries be used as sources for biographies of living people? I avoid it, even if they are available online (public enqiry!), as they may contain information of a very personal nature about family, health, etc. or can end up making the article look like a CV. I might give a brief quote: "she said in her witness statement to the public enquiry..." if there is anything very important, although if it is important it is likely to be reported in the media, but not use the statement for details of someone's childhood, etc. I ask because another editor Strugglehouse is adding content from witness statements from the Horizon Inquiry to articles of living people, for example, to Paula Vennells and, potentially, Jo Hamilton and I haven't been able to find anything in reliable sources guidance about it, although I am sure I have seen something in the past. Southdevonian (talk) 12:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    Hi, thanks for bringing this up. I used these sources as, as you mentioned, these are public.
    While I do think some public documents shouldn't be used, I believe these are probably okay. Most very personal information within the couple of documents that I have used is redacted. Therefore, I think it's okay to use for some claims.
    I do agree, however, that if claims can be proven by other sources, such a the book source used in the Jo Hamilton article, this is probably better. Strugglehouse (talk) 12:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    I think this might fall under WP:BLPPRIMARY, which says Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies. Schazjmd (talk) 14:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    I think it's borderline. I agree that most of the time these kind of documents probably shouldn't be used. However, as I said, all actual personal details, such as dates of births, are redacted in the documents I used. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    The use of the absolute term “do not” especially in a section talking more broadly about other things to avoid is very clear. Furthermore, even when covered by secondary sources, which might be permissible, when it comes to testimony, WP:UNDue must be considered as well. TiggerJay(talk) 15:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    Vandalism help request from Bondwagon

    I have noticed some persistent vandalism at Ijaw People. Namely, persistent change of the population figures to an outdated number, not reflecting updated figures and sources. Removal of multiple reliable sources confirming new figures and replacing with one outdated source still on old figure . Persistent valdalism carried out by da5ft9. A tribes population calling remain constant for over a decade, hence the single oudated population figure is null and the multiple recent population figure is correct. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Bondwagon (talk) 13:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    Did you talked with the person you accuse to do this on his/her talk page ?
    Each user have a "Talk page". Anatole-berthe (talk) 13:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    No, I did not speak with the person Bondwagon (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Bondwagon, please do not ask the same question four times. I've collapsed the duplicates below. ''']''' (talkcontribs) 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thanks you @CanonNi for your contribution. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    thank you Bondwagon (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Bondwagon I would advise you to either open a discussion at the editor's talk page or the article's talk page to settle the matter. It seems that Da5ft9 has reverted you earlier because the sources added were irrelevant and unreliable (regarding this, I don't think the 101lasttribes source is reliable since Misplaced Pages is one of the places they took their information from). Jolly1253 (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    101 last tribes excluded, there are other sources that should be considered and that are relaible too. If you take a loot at the sources, you will agree that not all should be discarded. Like I said earlier, it is highly unlikely that a tribes population will remain constant over multiple years.
    That being said, I will take your advise on the matter. Bondwagon (talk) 14:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    Duplicate of above

    Vandalism help request from Bondwagon

    I have noticed some vandalism at ijawpeople. Namely, It has come to attention that there is ongoing vandalism of population figures, particularly the consistent removal of updated estimates supported by multiple reliable sources, such as the University of Birmingham, and their replacement with outdated figures from a single source, the CIA Factbook. This vandalism appears to be persistently carried out by user:da5ft9. It is important to note that a tribe's population is unlikely to remain stagnant over nearly a decade. For example, the CIA Factbook estimated the Ijaw population at 4 million in 2010, and this figure was recently relabeled as a 2018 estimate without any substantive update. This contradicts more recent and credible estimates provided by multiple sources, which suggest that the Ijaw population has grown significantly over time. Given the discrepancy and the reliability of other sources, it is evident that these updated figures are far more accurate and reflective of reality. It is crucial to maintain data accuracy and prevent the suppression of validated information. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Bondwagon (talk) 13:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    Vandalism help request from Bondwagon

    I have noticed some vandalism at Ijaw people. Namely, It has come to attention that there is ongoing vandalism of population figures, particularly the consistent removal of updated estimates supported by multiple reliable sources, such as the University of Birmingham, and their replacement with outdated figures from a single source, the CIA Factbook. This vandalism appears to be persistently carried out by user:da5ft9. It is important to note that a tribe's population is unlikely to remain stagnant over nearly a decade. For example, the CIA Factbook estimated the Ijaw population at 4 million in 2010, and this figure was recently relabeled as a 2018 estimate without any substantive update. This contradicts more recent and credible estimates provided by multiple sources, which suggest that the Ijaw population has grown significantly over time. Given the discrepancy and the reliability of other sources, it is evident that these updated figures are far more accurate and reflective of reality. It is crucial to maintain data accuracy and prevent the suppression of validated information. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Bondwagon (talk) 13:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    1909 French publication out of copyright?

    In Madagascar banana can we simply add direct translation of anything we want from pages 74 to 86 of https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/161596 as the author died in 1898 and it was published in 1909 so presumably it is out of copyright? Chidgk1 (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    Under French law. It is out of copyright if we are talking about the right of the author and his heirs.
    In France , the delay is 70 years after the death of the person.

    If you want , I can show you texts from French legislation and translate this into English for you. Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    It's in the public domain (it's out of copyright); so, as regards copyright, yes we can. However, if by simply adding you mean not using quotation marks (or block indentation) and not attributing the material to the author, no: for a Misplaced Pages editor to do either would be to plagiarize, which is unethical. Also, despite various hiccups, fads and mistakes, scientific understanding generally improves over the span of a century, and what was written and published commendably circa 1900 may later have been discredited. -- Hoary (talk) 23:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thanks both of you. @Hoary We have of course attributed the author. @Anatole-berthe Perhaps you might be interested in expanding https://fr.wikipedia.org/Ensete_perrieri which only has English cites at the moment. As you can see the original description is very long so perhaps you might be able to summarize it in the French article? Chidgk1 (talk) 16:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Chidgk1: the original French is in the public domain. The English translation is a derived work and is copyrighted by default, with the copyright belonging to the translator. If you translated it yourself, you can license your translation under an appropriate license, e.g., CC-BY-SA or CC0. It might be better to put the originals French and you translation on Wikisource to preserve the provenance and have a place to put your copyright license. -Arch dude (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Arch dude My French is nowhere near good enough. So if we use Google Translate the copyright belongs to Google? @Anatole-berthe If so would you have time to translate it? Chidgk1 (talk) 05:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Copyright doesn't belongs to "Google" if you use "Google Translate".

    If it was the case , it would not be possible to use "Google translate" with "Misplaced Pages:Content translation tool" in others Misplaced Pages than the version in English language (It's disabled on Misplaced Pages in English).

    Use an automatic translator can help but it's necessary to verify the translation given.

    I advise you to read this "Help:Translation#Avoid_unedited_machine_translations".

    I can translate texts from English to French but the reverse is more complicated for me and impossible for some texts.
    I'm a native speaker of French language , I haven't a sufficient knowledge of English language to translate from French to English. Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Please see: -Arch dude (talk) 20:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    timeline for responses to edit requests on extended-protected pages?

    how long is it reasonable to wait for a response to an edit request on an extended-protected page? Kenfree (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    There are no guideline about this subject in my knowledge but you should read this "Misplaced Pages:There is no deadline" and "Misplaced Pages:There is a deadline". Anatole-berthe (talk) 22:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    thanks for these references Kenfree (talk) 03:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    Hard to say, Kenfree, but certainly no less than one week. As for your three-day-old request on Talk:Alison Weir (activist), I note that you placed it immediately below a section all but the first sentence of which is an enormity added by you in this edit, made two days earlier than your request. Do you expect people to read and digest that section too? As for your request, it's in the form "Change: To: The sources are here: ." If you (i) change "The sources are here" to "The same suggested replacement text, but with working links", and (ii) remove the line break, the result would be easier for others to understand. However far better than providing mere links would be to specify author(s), title, website and link for each of the five references. -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    Yes,I think any editor with an interest in this page should be apprised of the point by point critique of its content by Weir's organization...As I said in summary, the Misplaced Pages entry on her in its current form reads more like a hit piece than an objective description of this activist.
    As to the rest of your reply, I will take it under advisement and follow your instructions to the best of my ability....thank you for it! Kenfree (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    So, Kenfree, you expect others to read your ten screensful of critique, but you haven't bothered to properly format the references in the material you want put in the article. You can expect to wait a very long time for a response. Maproom (talk) 14:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    Hoary,I think I have succeeded in formatting according to your constructive criticism. Would you be kind enough to take a look at its current iteration and let me know if it is acceptable? Thanks. Kenfree (talk) 19:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    It's an improvement, Kenfree, but let me reformat one of the references for you. <ref>Paul Findley, "", Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, December 2006.</ref>. Now you do the others. But wait -- one of the three references you provide for the claim that Weir " the bias in U.S. media coverage of Middle East events" is her own website (not a disinterested source for the claim); and at least one of the other four references is described in Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Perennial sources as problematic (no, not as Daily Mail–level garbage, but dubious even so). So I suggest that you ensure that each of the references you provide is likely to persuade, and then do the needed reformatting. Also, I second Maproom's comment above. This voluminous addition of yours to the talk page even suggests that "Perhaps someone officially representing Misplaced Pages could reach out to Alison and ask her to help draft a more objective appraisal of her life and activism?" (I hardly know where to start with this; but in a word, no.) Since nobody has yet responded on that talk page to your immense post, I suggest that you rethink what you want to say in it, prepare this via a text editor on your computer, condensing it to no more than one tenth of the bulk of what's there now, and when you're happy with it swiftly copy it and paste it to replace what's there now. If you want to do this, be sure to hurry, carrying out the replacement before your original post gets a comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    Hoary:
    1) I appreciate your reformating of the single citation which gives me a model to work from, which I will commence with as soon as I finish this reply.
    2) You do not mention the periodical in question which is supposedly problematic so i cannot reply to this point.
    3) As to the use of her own website, you seem to miss the point entirely. I adduce it because there is no better place to demonstrate that this is what Alison does as an activist, critique perceived media bias. All three of these latter citations do nothing else than demonstrate this activity on her part (not that her position is correct, in which case, yes, using her own website would be verboten, but just that this is the essence of her activism). If you want to contine this point please do so in the TALK pages of her entry, and we can futher debate it.
    4) In deference to your request, I have seriously reduced the size of my earlier edit that Included the complete critique of the entry by her team, and cited only the part that directly pertains to the revision I am currently advocating. Kenfree (talk) 01:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Kenfree, this is sounding more promising. (And I suppose that it's looking so; though I don't intend to take a look. It wouldn't help your persuasiveness if any other editor appeared to be coaching you.) Just one point, on your observation number 2: I very deliberately didn't specify the periodical: Not specifying it would, I hoped, nudge you towards checking each magazine/website/whatever that you're thinking of citing against Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. (Indeed, I suggest that you spend ten minutes grasping a general picture of what that page is doing before using it for specifics.) If a potential source doesn't appear on that page then go to Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and within this, near the top, look for "Search the noticeboard archives". Immediately above this, type in the name of the source, and yes, click on "Search the noticeboard archives". It's quite likely that you'll get a dismaying number of hits; look among these for the newest that doesn't merely mention the source but instead has a discussion about it. (And with this comment, I take my leave of this discussion.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    December 23

    Wierdness with template:Title number

    Where is the best place for help on templates like Template:Title number?

    I've created User:Naraht/John's Foo season 4 contestants and grabbed the source for that template used SUBPAGENAME rather than BASEPAGENAME (since it is in my userspace and the first title number it generates is 39 and the second is 4 (the only one it generates should be 4.) My original issues were in Catspace and this is for experimentation. OTOH User:Naraht/Johns_Foo_season_4_contestants (note no quote) is fine. So it can't handle the apostrophe???Naraht (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Naraht: Yes, BASEPAGENAME and SUBPAGENAME are returning a version of the name where the apostrophe has been HTML-encoded as &#39;. The workaround for this is to pass the name to "#titleparts". I've added two lines to your sandbox as a demonstration. Perhaps post at Template talk:Title number to ask if this should be done by default. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    Given the limited activity on the talk page (and indeed the template page), I decided to reach out to the original author of that template, but linked back here.Naraht (talk) 17:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

     Done Worked with template author who implemented John of Reading's change.

    Help adding image to Infobox

    Trying to put image in info box.

    For this article: Nicholas Birns - Misplaced Pages

    I am trying to place the subject's image in the infobox using the image in Wikimedia commons that is here:

    File:71735021568 2B229B72-7B34-435D-B94A-0D1DC717E17D.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

    It won't show up in the correct place. Can you assist me? Grateful for help. Kmccook (talk) 18:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    Don't worry. I've placed the image at the right spot. Do you need any further assistance or questions regarding where to place images at the right spot? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    Being harassed by user

    Hi. I believe I'm being harassed by an user who is going after any and all edits I'm making without reason getting rid of them. They use their wikipedia friends to gang up on me and intimidate me. They're getting rid of what I've added that is sourced and adding unsourced information or leaving it unsourced. Longislandtea (talk) 20:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    This is not the forum to raise grievances with the behavior of other users. That is done at WP:ANI, but be aware that your actions will be examined as well. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    You're not being harassed. You're engaging in an inappropriate behavior called genre warring, and you're making inappropriate accusations against people who are trying to explain the correct process to you. Your only steps forward right now are either to listen to what's being said, or to leave the article alone. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    There is a difference between what feels like harassment and actual harassment which is not permitted. Rather what you find yourself in is a situation where you're having trouble understanding the policies and guidelines of Misplaced Pages. TiggerJay(talk) 00:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Then please explain to me why genres that are sourced on the page of Fetch the bolt cutters are being removed for seemingly no reason? Aren't the genres supposed to be sourced? Longislandtea (talk) 02:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    I'm not sure I can explain it any better than @User:Tbhotch has been trying to tell you at length for a while now. You have a few options going forward: You can solicit assistance in the form of a third opinion over at WP:THIRD. And, while 331dot mentioned WP:ANI I would discourage it because this does not actual meet the primary criteria of "urgent incidents or chronic, intractable behavioral problems" which despite your feelings this does not meet that criteria, instead I would suggest WP:DISPUTE as recommended by the ANI page. You could reach out to a recently active admin but again I would suggest THIRD or DISPUTE processes first. TiggerJay(talk) 04:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    December 24

    Duplicative text on Help:Disambiguation?

    Hi. I think there is a superfluous paragraph at the end of Help:Disambiguation. I added this topic to the Talk page asking about it. The automated help text told me that this particular Talk page is "not watched by many users" and suggested asking my question here. So: Is there a superfluous paragraph at the end of Help:Disambiguation? If the last two paragraphs say the same thing, one should be eliminated; if not, one or both should be rewritten to clarify the point each is trying to make. Larrydberg (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Larrydberg: I guess Waddie96 meant to reformulate the existing paragraph in but forgot to remove the old version. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    I believe so. Apologies. I fixed the issue. waddie96 ★ (talk) 07:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    Assistance Required for Published Article Not Going Live

    Dear Misplaced Pages Help Desk,

    I hope this message finds you well. I published an article on India Semiconductor Mission (username - Display Ecosystem) in November, and it has not gone live yet. The article draft can be found at the following link:https://en.wikipedia.org/User:DisplayEcosystem

    I would like to understand the status of this article and whether there are any additional steps or issues preventing it from being moved to the live Misplaced Pages space. Your guidance on resolving this matter would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you for your time and assistance.

    Best regards, Sonali Jain DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    It's because all of that content is on your Userpage. If you want to publish it completely then you should move it to a new space. However, I'd move that content to a draft and continue working on it since it still doesn't look ready to me. Should I move it to a draft so you can continue working on it? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Please guide me on further steps to make it live. It would be really great if you could provide me with your valuable feedbacks on page and it's content. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Yes sure, you can move it to draft so that I can publish it again. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Sure, I'll create a draft for you but please keep working on the content to make it better and then publish it. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    What do you want the title to be? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    The article is all about "India Semiconductor Mission". DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    I have left a message on your talk page. If you are employed at India Semiconductor Mission, you are considered a paid editor and should make a paid contribution disclosure as explained in the message. Please also see Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 05:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    I would like to clarify that I am not employed at India Semiconductor Mission. This page is being created for a government organization, which operates under the Ministry. Therefore, it should not be considered as a paid contribution.
    I kindly request your guidance on any further enhancements or adjustments required to meet Misplaced Pages's standards. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 06:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    You would also be a paid editor if you are employed or paid by the Ministry. For advice on your draft, it currently has no sources apart from external links. Misplaced Pages does not care about what India Semiconductor Mission or the Ministry says about itself. You need to find reliable sources that are independent of India Semiconductor Mission and base the article on what those sources say. If no such sources can be found, the organization probably does not satisfy Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. You can also read Help:Your first article for further advice. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Hello, @DisplayEcosystem.
    Editors who try to create an article before they have spent significant time learning how Misplaced Pages works often have a disappointing and frustrating task, because they have no idea what it takes to create a Misplaced Pages article. It's like trying to build a house when you have no knowledge of surveying, building, plumbing, electrical installation, etc. And it's even harder when you have a conflict of interest.
    My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
    Be aware that Misplaced Pages is basically not interested at all in what you know (whoever you are) or in what the subject of the article (or their associates) say or want to say. A Misplaced Pages article should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, and very little else. First find your sources (and make sure they are independent: see WP:42) then forget everything you know about the subject, and write a summary of what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 12:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭

    I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭 41.122.130.103 (talk) 17:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    What happens when you use Special:Login? ''']''' (talkcontribs) 17:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    Flag of Syria

    How can I change current Syrian flag in the page List of songs recorded by Zecchino d'Oro with the 1980-2024 version? 176.200.157.77 (talk) 17:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    This discussion might be helpful: Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Syrian_flag Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    George Washington

    It states in the Misplaced Pages, George Washington, political party - independent. I believe that to be incorrect and he was a member of the Whig. 2601:3C4:17C:3F0:64CC:8BE9:5A55:2B9E (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    If you wish to change it, you will need to provide a reliable source backing up your claim. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    In my knowledge he was never member of any political party.

    About "George Washington" , I verified if my knowledge were wrong and I confirm he was never member of a political party accorded to searches done. Anatole-berthe (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    George Washington was not a member of a political party, and he was opposed to the very idea of political parties, as he explained in George Washington's Farewell Address in 1796. His thoughts on that matter have been widely ignored ever since, and Abraham Lincoln, for example, was heavily involved in party politics. Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thanks @Cullen328 for the details about the matter. I did knew nothing about this letter.

    Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Ahir cast surname add

    Ahir cast 1 gujrati sAhirurname add chhaida છૈડા 2409:4041:E4E:24F8:0:0:9D09:8B08 (talk) 21:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    This forum is only about "Misplaced Pages in English language" and not "Misplaced Pages in another language". Anatole-berthe (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Are you asking to add something to Ahir or to Ahir clans? If so, the talk page of the relevant article is the best place to ask. But be aware that unless a reliable published source is found, information may not be added to Misplaced Pages articles. ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    2600:1700:55B0:810:5C4F:E631:B09C:2AEE (talk) 22:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    

    Citing YouTube video is not allowed, what can I do?

    Hello all!

    I was revising a page about a TV drama and citing YouTube interviews of the actors which are rejected by the system. I ended up mentioning the year and program of the interviews, which got entirely removed by Rastinition, which I believe should be Misplaced Pages.

    What can I do? Not sure if it is a piece of information that will make a difference, the language I am amending is traditional Chinese. Cwcw12 (talk) 23:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    If you are speaking about "Misplaced Pages in Chinese language". You're not on the right forum.
    This is the forum for "Misplaced Pages in English".

    The right forum is the next if you're talking about Misplaced Pages in Chinese language : https://zh.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%B1%82%E5%8A%A9 Anatole-berthe (talk) 23:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    For the curious, these percent escaped unicode glyphs resolve to zh:維基百科:互助客棧/求助. This kind of inscrutable alpha­hexanumeric line noise is what is displayed in Firefox when attempting to see which Chinese Misplaced Pages page is being pointed to by {{ill}}. Folly Mox (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    On the English Misplaced Pages, the vast majority of YouTube videos are not acceptable as references. But not all are excluded. A YouTube video on the official channel of an established news outlet accepted as a reliable source is also presumed reliable. Cullen328 (talk) 04:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    December 25

    Wrong information about Roman emperor Augustus

    If Augustus was born in 63BC and died in AD14 he was 51 years old when he died. How come your Misplaced Pages lists his age 74 when he died. Please correct the information about Augustus’s age when he died in AD 14. 173.71.121.220 (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    You can make the change yourself and provide proper, reliable source to back up your claim. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Where does it say 74? Augustus correctly says 75. BC means Before Christ. AD meand Anno Domini which is after Christ. There was no year 0 and he didn't reach his birthday in his year of death so he was 63-1+14-1 = 75. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Adding crypto address for donations

    Why dont you add crypto donations? Its probable easier for peoplr to transfer from digital wallet 184.98.196.150 (talk) 01:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    We don't have anything to do with the donation process; please offer your suggestions to donate@wikimedia.org. 331dot (talk) 01:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Adding to what 331dot said above, crypto donations were stopped following this global RfC, which you should read before making suggestions. ''']''' (talkcontribs) 04:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Pending Changes duration

    Typically how long is Pending Changes turned on for individual articles? I ask because, assuming I'm interpreting the log correctly, Pending Changes has been turned on for the Henry David Thoreau article since 2017. Rockfang (talk) 07:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    It seems that Pending Changes status won't expired after a period of time. According to WP:PC, editors can make request for unprotection to remove PC. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 16:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    How do I change my monthly donation

    How do I change my monthly donation 208.84.130.4 (talk) 10:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    See donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please?

    Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for  my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please? Nigelpegram (talk) 13:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    If you are Nigel Pegram here, then fortunately you are still alive on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately Misplaced Pages has no control over what external websites and search engines say, and you would have to find a way of contacting them directly.--♦IanMacM♦ 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    (ec) The article about you(Nigel Pegram) currently indicates you are alive, though in November it was edited to say you had died(this edit, even providing a source, though I know little about it). This was removed, but perhaps Google has not indexed this change.
    We can't help you with issues surrounding Google searches; you would need to contact Google or the sources that indicate you are deceased to ask them to issue corrections. 331dot (talk) 13:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Nigelpegram: The alleged death was copied from Misplaced Pages to Nigel Pegram (Q106264634) at our sister project Wikidata on 11 November 2024. It was removed from Misplaced Pages 16 November but not from Wikidata. I have now removed it. Google does not reveal sources for their data fields, only the text snippet at the start if it's from Misplaced Pages, so I cannot say whether it will have an effect later. Here is a stock reply for similar posts:
    Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Misplaced Pages" to indicate that particular text was copied from Misplaced Pages. An image and other text before or after the Misplaced Pages excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Misplaced Pages. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    False historical information

    I can’t seem to get any of the false historical information posted on this site to be removed / updated.

    How can we get this addressed in a quick manner? 108.41.112.201 (talk) 16:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    If you've tried to remove false information by being bold and doing it yourself, remember to either include a source or remove information without a source. Misplaced Pages works on verifiability, not truth - if a reliable source reports on an untrue fact, Misplaced Pages will host it as if it was true in most cases. Enough factual information is published to where running this way is more efficient than being a platform of original research. Departure– (talk) 16:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Generally, the best way to address an inaccuracy in an article is to start on the article's talk page. If the "inaccuracy" is cited to a reliable source, you'd need to provide other reliable sources that counter it. Schazjmd (talk) 16:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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