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			== Afghan documents leak and child prostitution ==
	== ] ==

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	=== ] and ] ===
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	==== A regrettable dispute ====
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	For some reason we had a falling out on ]. My recollection of the events is that we had been discussing changes to that navbox for months, off and on. I wanted to either delete the navbox or split it into several specialized navboxes because I thought it was too confusing to lump everything into one. You wanted to keep it the way it was, stating it held the most important items, but encouraged me to make edits to it. I finally did, and you apparently disagreed with the edits and considered them an insult somehow. This is most regrettable and I can assure you that it was not intended. I have studied your contributions to Misplaced Pages and I can see that you are very knowledgeable in certain fields of optimization and advanced mathematics. I think it is wonderful that you are contributing to Misplaced Pages and I think you and I do it for the same purpose: to help others attain the knowledge we have.
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			"Assuredly we bring not innocence into the world, we bring impurity much rather: that which purifies us is triall, and triall is by what is contrary."
			:], '']'' </blockquote>
			=== RFC/U discussion concerning you (Kiefer.Wolfowitz) ===
			Hello, ]. Please be aware that a ] has been filed concerning your conduct on Misplaced Pages. The RFC entry is located at ], where you may want to participate. As requested, I will now ask a sitting arb, and one of your prefered administrators to confirm whether there is a basis for this RfC. ] <span style="font-weight:bold;">·</span> (]) 18:37, 8 October 2011 (UTC) <!-- Template:ConductDiscussion -->

			:My suggestion was that you ask somebody with greater ability and experience to draft an RfC that would focus on a few behavioral changes, for me (as you should do for any other person in an RfC). Your credibility would be greater if you were being conservative in your paraphrasing, rather than distorting ]'s comment about my contempt for Busky's book. Have you bothered to read the pages I flagged as poor scholarship yet?
	Now, your behaviour towards me was quite aggressive. You also exposed a real-world identity which you think is me (I will neither confirm nor disconfirm), which is actually a very serious offence on Misplaced Pages and could get you blocked, see ]. Furthermore, you have expressed strong dissent and made derogatory remarks about ]s in several talk pages, which means that you have a ] in editing those articles regardless of your personal relations to researchers, publications, etc., because you apparently wish to demote metaheuristics. I have also seen your post making derogatory remarks about certain universities, which is also not suitable for Misplaced Pages discussions.
			:I find it humorous that you, who could not even be bothered to source properly the trivial bacon festival, are rapping my knuckles like a school marm about my acknowledgment that I had reused content ("canibalizing"), which I have acknowledged doing in many articles with edit-summaries. Of course, I can do better and perhaps I have slipped a few times.
			:Even if you have a respected Wikipedian involved with your RfC, I shall certainly have no time for it until December, as I noted before. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 18:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
			::Kiefer, I have endorsed the basis of the RfC, so let's have no more of this "someone with greater ability" crap please. I suggest you get over there and respond to what's being raised - as I said previously, in my experience it never comes out well for the editor who attempts to ignore the issue. ] (]) 20:29, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
			:::Elen, if I want your opinion, I shall ask for it. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small>

			=== Your contributions at RfC ===
	However, I think your presence and edits are generally valuable to Misplaced Pages and this dispute appears to be the exception. I truly regret that we had this falling out and I am willing to bury the hatchet, so to speak, so we can both continue contributing to Misplaced Pages without these unpleasant disputes. By the way, I have seen your concerns about ] and as I note on its talk-page I will address them as soon as I can find the time.

			Thank you for your participation in the discussion - I am hopeful that this can be brought to an amicable solution. I note that you have made a comment in the "Outside View" section - this section is for editors who are not a party to the dispute. For your convenience, I have moved your comments in their entirity into the response section . You may wish to edit the header as it just says "Moved from Outside View section" at the moment. --] (]) 09:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	Cheers,

			:Your movement was fine, although it does not preserve the ''soi disant'', ''le soi c'est one autre'', and a certain ''soup de jour'' qualities of the original. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 08:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	] (]) 16:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
			::Surely it's soup du jour :) :) ] perhaps? --] (]) 11:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
			:::That was an excellent guess! The cuisine is Roman. I ''am'' in a "secure, undisclosed location", but I do hear the Mediterranean peacefully loosening its rope of sands. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 14:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

			=== "" ===
	:As I stated on the talk page, ] may compel us to conclude that you are simply a fan of the thesis in question. You are welcome to ask an administrator to block me.
	:I am not the first person to comment on your tendentious editing, which has occurred at least since October. At least 4 administrators have cautioned you about ] and ] concerns, and I see little reason to believe that you have taken them seriously, or considered the consequences of a larger discussion of your editing.
	:If you want to add the thesis to articles or write WP articles about its contents, few would notice. ] , raises your profile and subjects your edits to greater scrutiny. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 17:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC) (10:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC))
	:People who solve real problems in optimization and computer science, e.g. Papadimitriou or Karp, have earned the respect of the optimization community. They carry the union card. I don't have a COI against "heuristics", and I would recommend that you read good articles interpolating between something theoretical and something empirical, something old and something new:
	:* Stefankovic,Daniel; Vempala, Santosh; Vigoda, Eric. Adaptive simulated annealing: a near-optimal connection between sampling and counting. ''J. ACM'' 56 (2009), no. 3, Art. 18, 36 pp.
	:* Kirkpatrick, S.; Gelatt, C. D., Jr.; Vecchi, M. P. Optimization by simulated annealing. ''Science'' 220 (1983), no. 4598, 671–680
	:I am not an expert in heuristics or metaheuristics, generally, but knowing a fair amount about stochastic methods of optimization was a prerequisite to signing my name <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 17:32, 23 February 2011 (UTC).
	::You misunderstand me again. I did not post ] in the navbox believing it was the most popular, important, or to promote it in any way. I posted it because it was how I understood the headline 'methods calling functions,' which sounded to me like programmer's lingo for someone really meaning to say 'metaheuristic.' Also, the list was made in a general-to-specific ordering in which metaheuristics are more general and gradient/hessian are more specific. Inside that category I ordered metaheuristics which I perceive - from experience and citation counts, etc. - to be the most popular first, i.e. ] first, and so forth. However, as ] has mentioned the original navbox was actually highly focused on certain types of optimization methodologies and domains so it really ought to be expanded and split up. We have now started separating the navbox into several independent ones and this should hopefully resolve the dispute. I have no wish to make further comments on this or your other (rather presumptuous and condescending) remarks. ] (]) 18:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
	:::: was problematic for a number of reasons. Your earlier edit summary ("tried to order from general to specific, and from most to least popular/relevant") was less confidence-building than your current explanation, which I'll accept, in the spirit of moving on, which you suggested first.
	::::I welcome your initiative with starting new nav boxes, as I stated on the page. In particular, a nav-box with '''problem classes''' is probably more useful to many persons than is a nav-box on optimization algorithms.
	::::The nav-box on '''optimization algorithms''' should continue to exist, and it should continue to appear on the bottom of the page of its algorithms. I would be pleased if the a line on graph/network algorithms would be added, as Ruud suggested. When I started a line on combinatorial algorithms, I just used the paradigmatic algorithms mentioned in the first edition of Cormen, Rivest, et alia, and the combinatorial algorithms mentioned in Shapiro and Minoux, for example. The weak state of many additional articles on combinatorial optimization and my own ignorance & time-limitations inhibited me from adding further algorithms. Again, I would encourage Ruud and others to add a graph/network algorithm line.
	::::I mentioned my ideas of building nav-boxes on optimization theory (foundations, mathematics) and on convex/variational analysis. These might be viable simply because the mathematics articles are in better shape. The optimization articles are generally weak, and many are inferior to their counterparts on French Misplaced Pages, for example. It would be good to prioritize expanding content, for example, with improving ] or starting ]'s ], imho.
	::::I would encourage you to join the WikiProject groups on computer science and on systems and even on mathematics (which is large), and discuss your ideas there. I believe that such public discussions would help us both with redoing the optimization algorithms nav-box, etc.
	::::Sincerely, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 08:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
	::::P.S. I believe I was thinking of the Mockus family of stochastic optimization, rather than the Paulakus family, when I mentioned Lithuanians.
	:::::Let us then accept your with the ] article. You seem to have understood my concern with . I would suggest you develop an appropriate article (which you outlined above) in your sandbox, and then add it to the mainspace, replacing the lus article with a redirect. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 08:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

			On same team in general, but I advise you to chill out. Roll with the punches, just a little. And jab in spots, not always. Even for humor, it can be more effective. Like when Jerry advised George on not overplaying the jokes.
	:::::: and also at . <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 19:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
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			P.s. Yeah, the kids are kids. And trapped in Dunning Kruger (similar to Rumsfeldian unknown unknown). But give them a break. Broadcast at intervals, not continuuous wave.
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	Others renewed the discussion of ]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 15:33, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

			P.s.s. Peace brah...and don't let the turkeys get you down.
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			P.s.s.s. That Ossfrob (or whatever his name is) is right about Shapley Lema-thereom. It is still too mathy. You CAN keep the essential content and make it better.
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	I'm just creating an archival copy of the ]. (The last nomination had its picture somehow corrupted.) <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 17:37, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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			P.s.s.s.s. BEADWINDOW and all that... \
	The KM cube received more than 5K visits and the criss cross algorithm received over 4K visits. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 07:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
			:For the record, the IP editor who refuses a signature above is ]. <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy;">]<span style="color:#0095c6;">of</span>]</span> 04:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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	==== Ominous cubes: Prolegomena to a navbox ?====
	For sentimentality, I'll put a copy of this here. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 22:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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			::Reading about the ] and reviewing ]'s '']'' were both enjoyable. I believe that the other allusion is to ]'s or ]'s "secure undisclosed location" (often ridiculed on ]'s ]), where the Vice President secured himself after the 9/11 attacks. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 14:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
	The old version had only two groups, "nice" and "ominous":
	The '''ominous cubes''' were the ], the ], and (!) the ]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 19:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

			:::The Rumsfeldian reference was to ], I believe. ] (]) 00:15, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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	~~Probably~~ ~~under~~ ~~the~~ ~~influence~~ ~~of April Fools' Day ....~~ <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]~~</span></small> (~~]) 20:32, 21 ~~April~~ 2011 (UTC)		::::That makes more sense! Thanks! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 08:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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			=== ] ===
	]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> ]] 07:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

			The self imposed interaction ban was, IMHO, only on a discussion basis on your talk and mine I believe. I feel I can add value at the above. Are you in agreement that posting there does not contradict my interaction ban? If not then I will not comment there. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 22:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	=== ] ===
			:Hi Pedro!
	Another optimization-related topic.... <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 20:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
			:Thanks for asking. I shall try to email you privately.
			:Sincerely,
			:<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 22:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
			::Thank you for your email. After fully reading the RFC, I have decided that I'm unlikely to add value. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 22:20, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

			:::Hi Pedro,
	]
			:::I thought you wrote a very classy request. I am sorry that I did not see your reply earlier, and acknowledge it immediately.
	This is an automated message from ]. I have performed a web search with the contents of ], and it appears to include material copied directly from http://reasoning.cs.ucla.edu/fetch.php?id=102&type=pdf.
			:::If you change your mind please feel free to comment at the RfC, or if you want to email me suggestions for improving my editing.
			:::You have a lot more experience on WP than I do. If you change your mind about the interaction ban, which certainly did serve a purpose after some derailed conversations, then please email me or write here.
			:::I appreciate your taking the time to read the RfC and to think about contributing. I shall remember your example of aiming for value-added comments.
			:::Best regards, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 17:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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			I wrote this some months ago. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 17:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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			==== Infantilization ====
	: The bot is wrong. I created this article from scratch, using material I remember from Michael Andersson's thesis under Ake Bjork at Linkoping University c. 2000.
	* {{cite journal\|last1=Adlers\|first1=Mikael\|last2=Björck\|first2=Åke\|authorlink2=Åke Björck\|title=Matrix stretching for sparse least squares problems\|journal=Numerical Linear Algebra with Applications\|volume=7\|number=2\|publisher=John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.\|ISSN=1099-1506\|
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	* {{cite journal\|last=Alvarado\|first=Fernando\|title=Matrix enlarging methods and their application\|journal=BIT Numerical Mathematics\|year=1997\|pages=473-505\|volume=37\|number=3\|url=http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/BF02510237\|
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	* Grcar, J. F. Matrix stretching for linear equations, Technical Report SAND90-8723, Sandia National Laboratories, November 1990.
	* {{cite journal\|first=Robert J.\|last=Vanderbei\|authorlink=Robert J. Vanderbei\|title=Splitting dense columns in sparse linear systems
	\|journal=Linear Algebra and its Applications\|volume=152\|month=July\|year=1991\|pages=107-117\|ISSN=0024-3795
	\|doi= 10.1016/0024-3795(91)90269-3\|url=http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6V0R-45G0K7M-6M/2/1b6056c04b5ba391be0164a8cd0e98d3\|ref=harv}}
	:The cited paper failed to claim to discover the Americas and Africa, strangely, although it fails to cite any literature from the established literature. Their Dean(s) must be ''so very impressed'' with their magnificent research accomplishments! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (])

			We agree that positive reinforcement is wonderful. However, negative reinforcement is also beneficial. Read ]'s Presidential Address to the American Psychological Association, "":
	== ]: ] ==
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			Reward everything—gold and garbage—alike. The tradition of '''exaggerated tenderness''' in psychiatry and psychology '''reflects our “therapeutic attitude” and contrasts with that of scholars in fields like philosophy or law, where a dumb argument is called a dumb argument, and he who makes a dumb argument can expect to be slapped down by his peers.''' Nobody ever gives anybody negative reinforcement in a psychiatric case conference. (Try it once—you will be heard with ].) The most inane remark is received with ] as part of the ] ]. Consequently the educational function, for either staff or students, is prevented from getting off the ground. Any psychologist should know that part of the process of training or educating is to administer differential reinforcement for good versus bad, effective versus ineffective, correct versus incorrect behaviors. '''If all behavior is rewarded by friendly attention and nobody is ever non-reinforced (let alone punished!) for talking foolishly, it is unlikely that significant educational growth will take place.''' (pp. 228-229)
	The next few items are motivated by the Monty Hall problem arbitration. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 16:33, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
			<br />

			...
	=== Original mathematical research: Example ===
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	I argue that explaining mathematical results for the general public sometimes requires original exposition, glossing topics that are familiar to mathematicians.
			The obvious educational question is, how does it happen that this bright, conscientious, well-motivated, social-service-oriented premed psychology major with a 3.80 average doesn’t know the most elementary things about psychotic depression, such as its diagnostic indicators, its statistical suicide risk, or the time phase in the natural history of the illness which presents the greatest risk of suicide? The answer, brethren, is very simple: Some of '''those who are “teaching” and “supervising” him either don’t know these things themselves or don’t think it is important for him to know them'''. '''This hapless student is''' '''at the educational mercy of a crew that is so unscholarly, antiscientific, “groupy-groupy,” and “touchy-feely” that they have almost no concern for facts, statistics, ... or the work of the intellect generally'''. (p. 280)
	The current version of ] is simpler but uses some original simplifications of a research result (of Ekeland).
	====Current article: Sequential convergence simplification====
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	<blockquote>For a separable problem, we consider an optimal solution <big>(</big>''x''<sub>min</sub>, ''f''(''x''<sub>min</sub>) <big>)</big>
	to the "''convexified problem''", where convex hulls are taken of the graphs of the summand functions. Such an optimal solution is the ] of points in the convexified problem
	: <big>(</big>''x''<sub>''j''</sub>, ''f''(''x''<sub>j</sub>) <big>)</big><big> ∈ </big> <big>∑</big> Conv <big>(</big>Graph( ''f''<sub>''n''</sub> )<big>)</big>.<ref name="Ekeland76" >{{harv\|Ekeland\|1999\|pp=357–359}}: Published in the first English edition of 1976, Ekeland's appendix proves the Shapley–Folkman lemma, also acknowledging ]'s experiments on page 373.</ref><ref>
	The ] is a member of the ], which is the smallest ] that contains the original set. The Minkowski sum of two ]s need not be closed, so the following ] can be strict
	: Clos(P) + Clos(Q) ⊆ Clos( Clos(P) + Clos(Q) );
	the inclusion can be strict even for two ''convex'' closed summand-sets, according to {{harvtxt\|Rockafellar\|1997\|pp=49 and 75}}. Ensuring that the Minkowski sum of sets be closed requires the closure operation, which appends limits of convergent sequences.</ref>
	</blockquote>		</blockquote>
			(Emboldening and links added)
	<references/>
	* {{cite book\|last=Ekeland\|first=Ivar\|authorlink=Ivar Ekeland\|chapter=Appendix I: An ''a priori'' estimate in convex programming\|editor1-last=Ekeland\|editor1-first=Ivar\|editor2-last=Temam\|editor2-first=Roger\|editor2-link=Roger Temam\|title=Convex analysis and variational problems\|edition=Corrected reprinting of the (1976) North-Holland\|series=Classics in applied mathematics\|volume=28 \|publisher=Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics (SIAM)\|location=Philadelphia, PA\|year=1999\|pages=357–373\|isbn=0-89871-450-8\|MR=1727362\|ref=harv}}
	* {{cite book\|first1=Jerry\|last1=Green\|first2=Walter P.\|last2=Heller\|chapter=1 Mathematical analysis and convexity with applications to economics\|pages=15–52\|url=http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B7P5Y-4FDF0FN-5/2/613440787037f7f62d65a05172503737\|doi=10.1016/S1573-4382(81)01005-9\|title=Handbook of mathematical economics, Volume '''I'''\|editor1-link=Kenneth Arrow \|editor1-first=Kenneth Joseph\|editor1-last=Arrow\|editor2-first=Michael D<!-- . -->\|editor2-last=Intriligator\|series=Handbooks in economics\|volume=1\|publisher=North-Holland Publishing Co\|location=Amsterdam\|year=1981\|isbn=0-444-86126-2\|MR=634800\|ref=harv}}
	* {{cite book\|last=Rockafellar\|first=R. Tyrrell\|authorlink=R. Tyrrell Rockafellar\|title=Convex analysis\|edition=Reprint of the 1979 Princeton mathematical series '''28'''\|series=Princeton landmarks in mathematics\|publisher=Princeton University Press\|location=Princeton, NJ\|year=1997\|pages=xviii+451\|isbn=0-691-01586-4\|MR=1451876\|id={{MathSciNet\|id=274683}}\|ref=harv\|}}
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			Spare the rod and spoil the child, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 14:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
	====Old version: Glossing closure of a set, at imho excessive length====
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	For a separable problem, we consider an optimal solution
	: ''x''<sub>min</sub> = (''x''<sub>1</sub>, ..., ''x''<sub>N</sub>)<sub>min</sub>
	with the minimum value {{nowrap\|''f''(''x''<sub>min</sub>).}} For a separable problem, one could guess that an optimal point <big>(</big>''x''<sub>min</sub>, ''f''(''x''<sub>min</sub>)<big>)</big>
	might be contained in the sum of the convex hulls of the summands' graphs
	: <big>(</big>''x''<sub>min</sub>, ''f''(''x''<sub>min</sub>) <big>)</big> <big> ∈ </big> <big>∑</big> Conv <big>(</big>Graph( ''f''<sub>''n''</sub> )<big>)</big>,
	but this guess would be wrong. In truth, a more complicated expression
	: <big>(</big>''x''<sub>min</sub>, ''f''(''x''<sub>min</sub>) <big>)</big><big> ∈ </big> <big><big>Clos(</big></big> <big>∑</big> Conv <big>(</big>Graph(''f''<sub>''n''</sub> ) <big>)</big> <big><big>)</big></big>
	using the ] is needed.<ref name="Ekeland76" >{{harv\|Ekeland\|1999\|pp=357–359}}: Published in the first English edition of 1976, Ekeland's appendix proves the Shapley–Folkman lemma, also acknowledging ]'s experiments on page 373.</ref> (Topologically closed sets are defined in the following subsection.) An application of the Shapley–Folkman lemma represents the given optimal-point as a sum of points in the graphs of the original summands and of a small number of convexified summands.<ref name="Ekeland76" >{{harv\|Ekeland\|1999\|pp=357–359}}: Published in the first English edition of 1976, Ekeland's appendix proves the Shapley–Folkman lemma, also acknowledging ]'s experiments on page 373.</ref>
	...

			:Many, many years ago I attended case conferences during my psychology degree, and I was absolutely gob-smacked by the social worker pseudo-science bullshit on display even then. ] ] 22:57, 10 October 2011 (UTC)'
	=====Closure of a set=====
	The preceeding results use concepts of ]s from ] (the theory of ]),<ref name="RockCA" >{{harvtxt\|Rockafellar\|1997\|pp=43–44}}</ref> which we define. As suggested by the preceding subsection, closed sets are useful for proving that some minimum solution exists.<ref>{{harvtxt\|Rockafellar\|1997\|p=72}}</ref>

			::(ec) Very true. If all feedback is the same, there is no way of differentiating the useful (important) from useless (trivial or misleading). ] (]) 23:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	* A set is ''closed'' if it contains its ]s.
			:::p.s. I like your style! ] (]) 23:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	An example of a non-closed set is the ]
			:::: <nowiki>:)</nowiki> (KW)
	: <big>(</big> {{frac\|1\|''n''}}  : ''n'' is a positive ] <big>)</big> =<big>(</big> 1, {{frac\|1\|2}}, {{frac\|1\|3}}, ... <big>)</big>,
			:::It's something that now seems to be deep in the American psyche. I attended an IT training course a few years ago led by an American, and within two hours of the week-long course I was writhing at her habitual "Thank you for that very interesting question" response to almost everything she was asked, no matter how stupid or inane. Whoever it was said that there are no stupid questions is an ass. ] ] 23:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	which converges to zero. The equation 0={{frac\|1\|''n''}} is unsolvable in natural numbers, which implies that zero is not a ]of { {{frac\|1\|''n''}} }. However, because zero is a limit point of the harmonic sequence, the set { {{frac\|1\|''n''}} } is not closed.
			:::: I know parents of fairly bright kids who get really frustrated by the teachers of their children uncritically praising substandard work, on the grounds that their work is much better than that of many of the children in the class. The idea of equality, taken too far, does not challenge and stretch everyone according to their ability, and so becomes fundamentally unfair. '']'' 23:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	* The ] of a set ''Q'', denoted Clos(''Q''), is the ] of ''Q'' and all the limit points of ''Q''. (This definition implies that the closure of a set is indeed a closed set.)
			:::::There was a fairly well-publicised case here in the UK of a football match between two junior teams being stopped at half-time because one team was losing 9–0, and it was considered improper that they should be asked to take the field again for the second half, and perhaps suffer further humiliation. Or perhaps fight back and win the game 10–9, we'll never know. But there's definitely an uncritical view that all efforts are equal, when they patently are not. There are winners and losers in life, and that's a lesson kids need to learn. ] ] 00:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
	Thus, the closure of the harmonic sequence includes zero, which is its only limit point
	: Clos<big>(</big> { {{frac\|1\|''n''}} } <big>)</big> = {0, 1, {{frac\|1\|2}}, {{frac\|1\|3}}, ... }.
	In terms of optimization theory, the set of the harmonic sequence lacks a minimum, but its closure has a minimum. This example shows the use of closed sets in optimization theory.

	The Minkowski sum of two closed sets need not be closed, so the following ] can be strict
	: Clos(P) + Clos(Q) ⊆ Clos( Clos(P) + Clos(Q) );
	the inclusion can be strict even for two ''convex'' closed summand-sets.<ref>{{harvtxt\|Rockafellar\|1997\|pp=49 and 75}}</ref> In many problems, then, ensuring that the Minkowski sum of sets be closed requires the closure operation. In the optimization theory of the preceding subsection, the closure operation ensures that the set
	: </big> <big><big>Clos(</big></big> <big>∑</big> Conv <big>(</big>Graph( ''f''<sub>''n''</sub> ) <big>)</big> <big><big>)</big></big>
	is indeed closed.
	<references/>
	{{hidden end}}

			:::::::I endorse ]'s ''The Schools We Need, and Why We Don't Have Them'', which traces the disasters of American schools (particularly the systems of schools of eduction) to American romanticism, which viewed everybody as having a spark of divinity, like a narcissistic version of the Quaker religion (without the "leveling" or emphasis on good will and integrity).
	====Discussion: RE ]====
			:::::::After the publication of an English grammar of Sanskrit c. 1848, there was a fascination with Hinduism and Buddhism; probably German romanticism benefited from an awareness of Hindu and Buddhist influences on Christianity even earlier, and various types of pantheism and spiritualism. Not only romantic novelists but also scientists did research on spiritualism, "energy fields", "ghosts", etc. This BS animates much of American culture, from schools of education to ''Star Wars''.
	{{hidden begin}}
	The second version just glosses Ekeland's analysis, using the closure of a set. Glossing this notion requires a lot of work.

			:::::::Another good book is by ], ''House of Cards: Psychology and Therapy Built on Myth''. Dawes emphasizes the importance of time on task for learning, especially homework, and criticizes the absurd and anti-scientific cult of "self esteem" in the U.S., particularly in "education". Dawes has been a professor at the magnificent Carnegie Mellon University.
	The first version simplifies Ekeland's analysis, using the sequential closure of a set, which is the same thing here, because of the uniqueness of (reasonable) topologies in finite dimension. All mathematicians would recognize that the second version is essentially the same version, but this requires knowledge of undergraduate mathematics (or beginning USA graduate mathematics).
			:::::::His CMU colleagues ], ], and a third have written criticisms of education-school BS, claiming to be based on "cognitive psychology". Misplaced Pages's own ] has claimed that "research has shown" that short homework lessons are best, etc. Simon, Anderson, et alia have explained that many of these claims contradict the core findings of experimental psychology. (One of the disasters of Swedish social-democracy is that ] and her successors have imported the anti-intellectual U.S. system into a country that already suffered from conformity and ].)
			:::::::I agree with the above expressed revulsion about the neglect of gifted children in many schools. It is nearly child abuse that some students never are challenged and so helped to learn time-management and study skills until they get to university. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 07:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

			===]===
	My concern is that ] would seem to ban the simplification of the first version as ]. Sincerely, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 23:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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			:anhydig eorlearfoþa dreag,
			:hæfde him to gesiþþe sorge ond longaþ,
			:wintercealde wræce; wean oft onfond,
			:siþþan hine Niðhad onnede legde,
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			:supple sinew-bonds on the better man.
			:That went by; so can this.<ref></ref>
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			] smith ], portrayed on the ].]]

			=== ] ===
	:On ] (especially by synthesis, I'll add) when dealing with tendentious editing. Otherwise, WP mathematicians use examples that are similar in spirit to published examples; simililarly with proofs. My concern is that such (trivial to a mathematician) examples or proofs may be barred by the proposed wording.
			I have been having a ''deja vu'' experience all over again, but now I understand why: I recognize that I have been transgressing ], which is familiar to anybody who has lived for a half year in Sweden or Norway:
	:In practice, the proposed wording (if adopted more widely) may make it impossible to have mathematical articles achieve featured or good status, which would be a loss to WP and mathematics. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 09:48, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
			<blockquote>
			] has ten rules:
			:# Don't think you're anything special.
			:# Don't think you're as good as us.
			:# Don't think you're smarter than us.
			:# Don't convince yourself that you're better than us.
			:# Don't think you know more than us.
			:# Don't think you are more important than us.
			:# Don't think you are good at anything.
			:# Don't laugh at us.
			:# Don't think anyone cares about you.
			:# Don't think you can teach us anything.

			An eleventh rule is:
	::If someone provides a new example for a well established proof or method, that is analogous to someone using a different example to distinguish a simile from a metaphor, to avoid copyvio, and no-one would challenge it. The issue with your gloss is that without there being a published version from which you are working, you would have a hard time with ]. In this case, it would be analogous to someone explaining how some new kind of jet engine worked on the basis that they are an aircraft engineer, and other aircraft engineers would all know it was right. He probably is right, but we wouldn't accept it on Misplaced Pages until someone published it. ] (]) 13:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

			::11. ].
	::::It would be easy to find reliable references explaining the use of sequential convergence in general. However, this explanation has not appeared for this problem, because it is trivial and not needed for the specialists reading Ekeland's original work. (Ekeland is also interested in functional-analytic problems, so he needs the generality). I believe that such exposition is not regarded as "OR by synthesis" in the WP Mathematics Project. We are worried that villagers with pitchforks and torches may stop our articles on the way to GA or FA status! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 13:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
			<br />
	:::Geometry Guy asked a question about another example in this article. I'll make sure that the ] is vetted by the math project first, before asking for A-status or FA status. (It may be that the WP community could refine the OR by synthesis language for mathematics, now that the MHP has gotten attention.) <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 13:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
			Those who transgress this unwritten 'law' are regarded with suspicion and some hostility, as it goes against communal desire in the town to preserve harmony, social stability and uniformity.
	::::I am troubled by the line, if any, between original research and '''original pedagogy''' or original illustration. I doubt this line can be drawn clearly but that seems necessary here at wikipedia; otherwise the research ban curtails development of original pedagogy that is crucial for many articles (not only mathematical ones). It's comforting that some people are paying close attention to this potential problem. Best wishes to all participants.
			</blockquote>
	::::Re the illustration under discussion, I think the Old version gloss --from subheading "Closure" to "This is an example use ..."-- would be instructive only for readers who would skip the entire section "Mathematical optimization". --] (]) 18:11, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
			] has never been adopted officially in Nordic countries, although it is enforced daily ]. Why should Misplaced Pages be different? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 15:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
	{{hidden end}}
			==='']''===
			], like the goal of every '']'', is reformation not punishment.]]

			From ] by Malleus et alia:
	=== Standing up for Gill ===
			<blockquote>
	{{hidden begin}}
			; RfC ''n.''
	I understand you feel strongly about this, but keep in mind that WP:COI is a guideline with no ], so "violation" is always going to be a matter of degree in the ]. I can easily think of far worst cases, which make anything Gill may have done negligible in comparison, but it's up to ArbCom to decide how to phrase it; they have probably seen a fair share of that Insisting on a proclamation of absolute non-culpability from them is probably counterproductive at this point. As they used to say "Don't shoot the piano player; he's doing the best he can". ] (]) 18:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
			: (''editor conduct'') A place to bring anyone you have a longstanding grudge against. There, they'll be subject to countless attacks by '']'' (also known as "outside views") and generally be tortured until they agree to submit to your every whim. This is, of course, unless they are a popular editor, in which case the RfC will be dismissed as bad faith and you blocked indefinitely for some purportedly unrelated reason.
			: (''content dispute'') A place where editors who know absolutely nothing about the subject chime in in an attempt to destroy an '']'' further.</blockquote>

			== Positive reinforcement ==
	:Thanks for your commentary. I tried to give them a short statement, without argument, to avoid taxing their eyeballs. I have been encouraged that previously a few ArbCom members have indicated discomfort with the wording regarding Gill. Thanks again for your good judgment and advice. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 18:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
	{{hidden end}}

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			:It was my pleasure to vote for you! :)
			:Feel free to block me any time! ;)
			:Cheers, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 15:08, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

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	Dear Elen,

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			:Thank you! ]? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 16:58, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
	I was gladdened also by your spelling out that one of the editors could try cooperatively editing for a spell at the simple English Misplaced Pages, and then simply ask for a reconsideration.

			==== Thank You...and You're Welcome! ====
	Warm regards, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 15:51, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

			Hey, thanks for the Baba Ghanoush! Try a new food every day - it was delicious! And you are certainly welcome for the falafel, I'm glad you enjoyed it. And no, I haven't. I've actually thought of myself as not good enough to do it - maybe I should start small. Thanks again! ]™] 18:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
	=="Diplomacy", eh?: Staying after school to write at the chalkboard==
	If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 20:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

	=== ] ===		===Я поздравляю вас!===
			: ("Я поздравляю вас!" is Russian for "I congratulate you". <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 10:25, 19 October 2011 (UTC))

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	Please be more NPOV in your edit summaries. <font family="Comic sans">]<sub>'']''</sub></font> 03:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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	:You are right: Referring to IPS as looney left was inappropriate: I am sorry. However, WP article does seem to plagiarize one of the less reliable pages at IPS, which is no mean achievement: IPS is not usually regarded as a reliable source. The WP article's referring to 1976 as "during the cold war" seems to me to be even more problematic and POV then my summary, also!
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	:To leave on a friendly note, IPS used to have an association with ], (Ph.D. in Botany from Rockafeller Institute) who is a great person, and ] did provide wisdom to the brave-hearted IPS softball team as it faced its annual thumping from the ex-Marines at Heritage Institute. And the ] from human rights honors great organizations, like ], so greater respect was due.
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			* ...For your ongoing efforts to eliminate tendentious distortions from histories and biographies relating to 1970s American radicalism. ] (]) 16:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
	:Sincerely, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 03:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

	=== About edit summaries ===

	I'm a bit concerned about the wording used in your comments and especially your edit summaries and . I don't disagree with your assessment, but it's best to refrain from expressing it so, ahm, vehemently. After all ] is a basic ]. ] (]) 12:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

	:Thanks for the comment. I transposed a few words from a famous polemic by ], "On the enfeeblement of mathematical skills by so-called 'Modern Mathematics' and other soft intellectual trash taught in the schools and universities". I am rather fond of soft intellectual trash such as modern mathematics, btw,!
	:I should have summarized the contents of the edit in NPOV and gentle fashion. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 12:15, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
	::BTW, I do try to catch frogs that escape from my mouth---er, keyboard, and remove or strike out intemperate remarks, probably no more than once or twice a week, I'd guess. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 20:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

	==DYK and mathematicians: Ekeland, Phelps, "P. ORNO", and "John Rainwater"==
	=== ]: '''DYK''' nomination ===

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	:Sorry for maybe making this harder work for you than it needed to be, but a good result in the end I think; well done! ] (]) 22:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

	::Well, I had made a mistake on the short entry for the Ian Malcolm character, where I had mistakenly substituted Ian Stewart for James Gleick, so in double-checking my work (because of your concern) I realized my error. Further, as David noted, and as even I admit, it's good to mention Gleick besides Stewart. (I was afraid of having to mention a gaggle of mathematicians, when I resisted mentioning "others".) Thus, you were right and indeed helpful. Thanks for your kind note. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 17:51, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

	====Ou sont les ]?====
	===== DYK for Ivar Ekeland =====
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	:Thanks! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 17:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

	=== DYK for ] ===

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	=== ] ===
	==== Blessed be the peacemakers ====

	Kiefer, I had/have no intention of derailing your DYK. It is clear that you and I have slightly different opinions, and if you look at the other comments, you'll see that neither you nor I are alone there. Reasonable people should be able to agree reasonably--for instance, I am not holding it against you that you are interested in math and Ohio State, whether the more reasonable person (that is, me) knows that the combination of English and the University of Alabama is much more righteous. But we can continue this struggle next year, hopefully in the BCS title game. In the meantime, I hope and expect that you will get tons of hits at DYK when it runs, which I am sure it will. Take care, ] (]) 00:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

	:Dear Drmies,
	:It's kind of you to write a personal note here, besides the last note on the DYK page. I am skeptical about the value of the articles on Orno and Rainwater, which amount to professional horse-play by mathematicians: Certainly such articles are excluded from printed encyclopedias. I started them after laughing at Phelps's article on Rainwater, and publicizing the (hilarious) stories of Rainwater and the puerile story of Orno was my main motive. Both would best appear on April Fools' Day, I think.
	:I certainly understand any concerns about maintaining quality and encyclopedia tone, by presenting Misplaced Pages as a sober source 364 days each year.
	:Again, I'm sorry for being irritated with your sequence of concerns. My allergies are killing me and my irritation was in retrospect more due to a headache, etc., but certainly not to any bad-faith by you.
	:Sincerely, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 00:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
	:P.S. In another life, I could have been a English-literature graduate-student working on ]! I was delighted by ]'s discussion of ]'s ] in '']''. I was happy to defend the honor of Alabama's statistics professor ] some months back, btw. :)
	::Ah, all's well that ends well. Let's hope your dissertation, if that's where you're at, won't be derailed by your headache. Then again, if you are in Sweden, you must have a chronic headache mandated by law, no? Ju längre ekorren desto större nöje! Speaking of Miltonian headaches--many years ago I sent out an article on "Methought I Saw My Late Espoused Saint" and it got laughed out of court, so to speak, by no fewer than two reviewers (for '']'', maybe). For revenge, I tried to pervert mankind, but with only moderate success. Good luck with the allergies, but ] in moderation.<p>PS, both '']'' and '']'' are redlinks. Someone ought to take care of that. ] (]) 00:41, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::"Let Euclid rest and Archimedes pause, and what the Swede intend", indeed! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 00:51, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::I would like to think that Constantinos A. Patrides would have approved of this footnote: "{{harvtxt\|Diestel\|1984\|p=259}} places Peter Orno in his index under the letter "p" as "P. ORNO", with all-capital letters in Diestel's original." <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 02:22, 5 April 2011 (UTC) He had enlightening and tasteful glosses of Donne's "out do dildos" and '']''{{'s}} defense of free farting....

	BTW, I moved the ] discussion to the April Fools' DYK page, following EdJohnson's suggestion of nominating it there, instead. (I withdrew the main DYK nomination, thinking that Peter Orno may not be the best way to introduce WP to the public.) Sincerely, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 14:22, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

			], 16 December 1935]]
	====Then Folk are want to go on pilgrimmages ...., although professionals call them conferences====
			] poster by ]: "Hurry to join ]!"]]
	Congrats--I'm sure you'll get a lot more hits than I get for those odd medieval manuscripts. All the best! ] (]) 00:59, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
	:The mathematicians' silliness, ], is prudish in comparison with ]'s ] or ]---or with ]'s <s>trilogy</s> ('']'', '']'', and '']'', and lastly '']'', which I still have to read)! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 22:55, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

			:Dear Brother Carrite!
	== Speedy deletion declined: ] ==
			:Thank you very much!

			:My efforts would be so much easier if I had not reacted to the anti-] of previous versions with sometimes POV anti-anti-anticommunism. (However, the arch of the universe does incline towards NPOV justice, which is democratic and therefore anti-communist.)
	Hello Kiefer.Wolfowitz. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of ], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''Article in :fr says she is "professeure à l'Université de Paris VIII (« Vincennes à Saint-Denis »)".''' I think there is enough to pass A7, but maybe not ] - consider AfD. ] (]) 11:06, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
	::Thanks for the courteous and helpful note, correcting my error. Cheers, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 05:53, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

			Thank you for your work recently on ]. One of the pleasures of writing about Kemble or ] is writing about personalities, rather than cookie-cuts.

			:In solidarity, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 17:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
	== Buggy editors since "upgrade" of JAVA ==
	Netscape, Firefox (updated version 4), and Chrome have all frozen when I've used the editing templates in the last week, many times. Therefore, I've stopped worrying about the niceties of m-dashes and n-dashes, and now save changes with even slight edits. My apologies to Michael Hardy about my dashes. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> (]) 02:41, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

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Recent research: "Misplaced Pages editors are quite prosocial", but those motivated by "social image" may put quantity over quality

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Request for Comment

"Assuredly we bring not innocence into the world, we bring impurity much rather: that which purifies us is triall, and triall is by what is contrary."

John Milton, Areopagitica

RFC/U discussion concerning you (Kiefer.Wolfowitz)

Hello, Kiefer.Wolfowitz. Please be aware that a user conduct request for comment has been filed concerning your conduct on Misplaced Pages. The RFC entry is located at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Kiefer.Wolfowitz, where you may want to participate. As requested, I will now ask a sitting arb, and one of your prefered administrators to confirm whether there is a basis for this RfC. Worm · (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

My suggestion was that you ask somebody with greater ability and experience to draft an RfC that would focus on a few behavioral changes, for me (as you should do for any other person in an RfC). Your credibility would be greater if you were being conservative in your paraphrasing, rather than distorting User:Carrite's comment about my contempt for Busky's book. Have you bothered to read the pages I flagged as poor scholarship yet?

I find it humorous that you, who could not even be bothered to source properly the trivial bacon festival, are rapping my knuckles like a school marm about my acknowledgment that I had reused content ("canibalizing"), which I have acknowledged doing in many articles with edit-summaries. Of course, I can do better and perhaps I have slipped a few times.

Even if you have a respected Wikipedian involved with your RfC, I shall certainly have no time for it until December, as I noted before. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Kiefer, I have endorsed the basis of the RfC, so let's have no more of this "someone with greater ability" crap please. I suggest you get over there and respond to what's being raised - as I said previously, in my experience it never comes out well for the editor who attempts to ignore the issue. Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:29, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Elen, if I want your opinion, I shall ask for it. Kiefer.Wolfowitz

Your contributions at RfC

Thank you for your participation in the discussion - I am hopeful that this can be brought to an amicable solution. I note that you have made a comment in the "Outside View" section - this section is for editors who are not a party to the dispute. For your convenience, I have moved your comments in their entirity into the response section here. You may wish to edit the header as it just says "Moved from Outside View section" at the moment. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 09:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Your movement was fine, although it does not preserve the soi disant, le soi c'est one autre, and a certain soup de jour qualities of the original. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Surely it's soup du jour :) :) Minestrone perhaps? --Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

That was an excellent guess! The cuisine is Roman. I am in a "secure, undisclosed location", but I do hear the Mediterranean peacefully loosening its rope of sands. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

"Lighten up, Francis"

On same team in general, but I advise you to chill out. Roll with the punches, just a little. And jab in spots, not always. Even for humor, it can be more effective. Like when Jerry advised George on not overplaying the jokes.

P.s. Yeah, the kids are kids. And trapped in Dunning Kruger (similar to Rumsfeldian unknown unknown). But give them a break. Broadcast at intervals, not continuuous wave.

P.s.s. Peace brah...and don't let the turkeys get you down.

P.s.s.s. That Ossfrob (or whatever his name is) is right about Shapley Lema-thereom. It is still too mathy. You CAN keep the essential content and make it better.

P.s.s.s.s. BEADWINDOW and all that... \

For the record, the IP editor who refuses a signature above is User:71.246.147.40. LadyofShalott 04:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Reading about the Dunning–Kruger effect and reviewing Bill Murray's Stripes were both enjoyable. I believe that the other allusion is to Donald Rumsfeld's or Dick Cheney's "secure undisclosed location" (often ridiculed on Harry Shearer's Le Show), where the Vice President secured himself after the 9/11 attacks. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

The Rumsfeldian reference was to this, I believe. 28bytes (talk) 00:15, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

That makes more sense! Thanks! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Kiefer.Wolfowitz

The self imposed interaction ban was, IMHO, only on a discussion basis on your talk and mine I believe. I feel I can add value at the above. Are you in agreement that posting there does not contradict my interaction ban? If not then I will not comment there. Pedro : Chat 22:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Pedro!

Thanks for asking. I shall try to email you privately.

Sincerely,

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your email. After fully reading the RFC, I have decided that I'm unlikely to add value. Pedro : Chat 22:20, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Pedro,

I thought you wrote a very classy request. I am sorry that I did not see your reply earlier, and acknowledge it immediately.

If you change your mind please feel free to comment at the RfC, or if you want to email me suggestions for improving my editing.

You have a lot more experience on WP than I do. If you change your mind about the interaction ban, which certainly did serve a purpose after some derailed conversations, then please email me or write here.

I appreciate your taking the time to read the RfC and to think about contributing. I shall remember your example of aiming for value-added comments.

Best regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Consider the alternatives

I wrote this some months ago. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Infantilization

We agree that positive reinforcement is wonderful. However, negative reinforcement is also beneficial. Read Paul Meehl's Presidential Address to the American Psychological Association, "Why I do not attend case conferences":

Reward everything—gold and garbage—alike. The tradition of exaggerated tenderness in psychiatry and psychology reflects our “therapeutic attitude” and contrasts with that of scholars in fields like philosophy or law, where a dumb argument is called a dumb argument, and he who makes a dumb argument can expect to be slapped down by his peers. Nobody ever gives anybody negative reinforcement in a psychiatric case conference. (Try it once—you will be heard with horror and disbelief.) The most inane remark is received with joy and open arms as part of the groupthink process. Consequently the educational function, for either staff or students, is prevented from getting off the ground. Any psychologist should know that part of the process of training or educating is to administer differential reinforcement for good versus bad, effective versus ineffective, correct versus incorrect behaviors. If all behavior is rewarded by friendly attention and nobody is ever non-reinforced (let alone punished!) for talking foolishly, it is unlikely that significant educational growth will take place. (pp. 228-229)
...
The obvious educational question is, how does it happen that this bright, conscientious, well-motivated, social-service-oriented premed psychology major with a 3.80 average doesn’t know the most elementary things about psychotic depression, such as its diagnostic indicators, its statistical suicide risk, or the time phase in the natural history of the illness which presents the greatest risk of suicide? The answer, brethren, is very simple: Some of those who are “teaching” and “supervising” him either don’t know these things themselves or don’t think it is important for him to know them. This hapless student is at the educational mercy of a crew that is so unscholarly, antiscientific, “groupy-groupy,” and “touchy-feely” that they have almost no concern for facts, statistics, ... or the work of the intellect generally. (p. 280)

(Emboldening and links added)

Spare the rod and spoil the child, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Many, many years ago I attended case conferences during my psychology degree, and I was absolutely gob-smacked by the social worker pseudo-science bullshit on display even then. Malleus Fatuorum 22:57, 10 October 2011 (UTC)'

(ec) Very true. If all feedback is the same, there is no way of differentiating the useful (important) from useless (trivial or misleading). Manny may (talk) 23:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

p.s. I like your style! Manny may (talk) 23:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

:) (KW)

It's something that now seems to be deep in the American psyche. I attended an IT training course a few years ago led by an American, and within two hours of the week-long course I was writhing at her habitual "Thank you for that very interesting question" response to almost everything she was asked, no matter how stupid or inane. Whoever it was said that there are no stupid questions is an ass. Malleus Fatuorum 23:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I know parents of fairly bright kids who get really frustrated by the teachers of their children uncritically praising substandard work, on the grounds that their work is much better than that of many of the children in the class. The idea of equality, taken too far, does not challenge and stretch everyone according to their ability, and so becomes fundamentally unfair. Geometry guy 23:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

There was a fairly well-publicised case here in the UK of a football match between two junior teams being stopped at half-time because one team was losing 9–0, and it was considered improper that they should be asked to take the field again for the second half, and perhaps suffer further humiliation. Or perhaps fight back and win the game 10–9, we'll never know. But there's definitely an uncritical view that all efforts are equal, when they patently are not. There are winners and losers in life, and that's a lesson kids need to learn. Malleus Fatuorum 00:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I endorse E. D. Hirsch's The Schools We Need, and Why We Don't Have Them, which traces the disasters of American schools (particularly the systems of schools of eduction) to American romanticism, which viewed everybody as having a spark of divinity, like a narcissistic version of the Quaker religion (without the "leveling" or emphasis on good will and integrity).

After the publication of an English grammar of Sanskrit c. 1848, there was a fascination with Hinduism and Buddhism; probably German romanticism benefited from an awareness of Hindu and Buddhist influences on Christianity even earlier, and various types of pantheism and spiritualism. Not only romantic novelists but also scientists did research on spiritualism, "energy fields", "ghosts", etc. This BS animates much of American culture, from schools of education to Star Wars.

Another good book is by Robyn Dawes, House of Cards: Psychology and Therapy Built on Myth. Dawes emphasizes the importance of time on task for learning, especially homework, and criticizes the absurd and anti-scientific cult of "self esteem" in the U.S., particularly in "education". Dawes has been a professor at the magnificent Carnegie Mellon University.

His CMU colleagues Herb Simon, John R. Anderson, and a third have written criticisms of education-school BS, claiming to be based on "cognitive psychology". Misplaced Pages's own mathematics education has claimed that "research has shown" that short homework lessons are best, etc. Simon, Anderson, et alia have explained that many of these claims contradict the core findings of experimental psychology. (One of the disasters of Swedish social-democracy is that Alva Myrdal and her successors have imported the anti-intellectual U.S. system into a country that already suffered from conformity and leveling egalitarianism.)

I agree with the above expressed revulsion about the neglect of gifted children in many schools. It is nearly child abuse that some students never are challenged and so helped to learn time-management and study skills until they get to university. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 07:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Welund

Welund him be wurman wræces cunnade,

anhydig eorlearfoþa dreag,

hæfde him to gesiþþe sorge ond longaþ,

wintercealde wræce; wean oft onfond,

siþþan hine Niðhad onnede legde,

swoncre seonobendeon syllan monn.

Þæs ofereode,þisses swa mæg!

Welund tasted misery among snakes.

The stout-hearted hero endured troubles

had sorrow and longing as his companions

cruelty cold as winter - he often found woe

Once Nithad laid restraints on him,

supple sinew-bonds on the better man.

That went by; so can this.

The hamstrung smith Welund, portrayed on the Franks Casket.

Unwritten Misplaced Pages Policy

I have been having a deja vu experience all over again, but now I understand why: I recognize that I have been transgressing Jante Law, which is familiar to anybody who has lived for a half year in Sweden or Norway:

Jantelagen has ten rules:

Don't think you're anything special.

Don't think you're as good as us.

Don't think you're smarter than us.

Don't convince yourself that you're better than us.

Don't think you know more than us.

Don't think you are more important than us.

Don't think you are good at anything.

Don't laugh at us.

Don't think anyone cares about you.

Don't think you can teach us anything.

An eleventh rule is:

11. Don't think that there aren't a few things we know about you.

Those who transgress this unwritten 'law' are regarded with suspicion and some hostility, as it goes against communal desire in the town to preserve harmony, social stability and uniformity.

Jante Law has never been adopted officially in Nordic countries, although it is enforced daily with gusto. Why should Misplaced Pages be different? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Give It to Me Baby

From WikiSpeak by Malleus et alia:

RfC n.

(editor conduct) A place to bring anyone you have a longstanding grudge against. There, they'll be subject to countless attacks by uninvolved editors (also known as "outside views") and generally be tortured until they agree to submit to your every whim. This is, of course, unless they are a popular editor, in which case the RfC will be dismissed as bad faith and you blocked indefinitely for some purportedly unrelated reason.

(content dispute) A place where editors who know absolutely nothing about the subject chime in in an attempt to destroy an article further.

Positive reinforcement

A beer for you

Thankyou for participating in my request for adminship. Now I've got lots of extra buttons to try and avoid pressing by mistake... Redrose64 (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi ~~RedRose64~~ Redrose64!

It was my pleasure to vote for you! :)

Feel free to block me any time! ;)

Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:08, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

Thanks for making Misplaced Pages a better place to be. Enjoy! Pinkstrawberry02™ 15:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Please reply on Pinkstrawberry02's talk page. If for some reason you cannot, please leave them a {{talkback}} and reply on your own talk page. Also, don't forget to sign their guestbook. Thanks for your attention!

Thank you! Have you considered joining the administrator corps? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:58, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank You...and You're Welcome!

Hey, thanks for the Baba Ghanoush! Try a new food every day - it was delicious! And you are certainly welcome for the falafel, I'm glad you enjoyed it. And no, I haven't. I've actually thought of myself as not good enough to do it - maybe I should start small. Thanks again! Pinkstrawberry02™ 18:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Я поздравляю вас!

("Я поздравляю вас!" is Russian for "I congratulate you". Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:25, 19 October 2011 (UTC))

		The Workers' Barnstar
		This user has shown great editing skills in improving articles related to Communism or Socialism.

...For your ongoing efforts to eliminate tendentious distortions from histories and biographies relating to 1970s American radicalism. Carrite (talk) 16:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Dear Brother Carrite!

Thank you very much!

My efforts would be so much easier if I had not reacted to the anti-anticommunism of previous versions with sometimes POV anti-anti-anticommunism. (However, the arch of the universe does incline towards NPOV justice, which is democratic and therefore anti-communist.)

Thank you for your work recently on Penn Kemble. One of the pleasures of writing about Kemble or Tom Kahn is writing about personalities, rather than cookie-cuts.

In solidarity, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)