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In order to uphold the privileged nature of mediation, it is the decision of the Mediation Committee to delete all talk pages associated with this case. The Committee affirms that the privileged nature of mediation is unequivocal, and that user conduct within the context of formal mediation is not subject to consideration in any other dispute resolution process. The case was closed at 23:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC). If mediation of this case again becomes necessary, a new request should be filed.

Senkaku Islands

Formal mediation case
Article	Senkaku Islands (talk)
Opened	25 Apr 2011
Mediator	Feezo (talk)
Status	Closed
Notes	None
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Dispute specifics

Involved users

1. Ajl772 (talk · contribs), filing party Note: I am attempting to file this as an uninvolved neutral party. I am withdrawing from participating in this mediation request. – AJL 10:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
2. Qwyrxian (talk · contribs)
3. Phead128 (talk · contribs)
4. Tenmei (talk · contribs)
5. John Smith's (talk · contribs)
6. STSC (talk · contribs)
7. Phoenix7777 (talk · contribs)
8. Benlisquare (talk · contribs)
9. Bobthefish2 (talk · contribs)
10. Oda Mari (talk · contribs)
11. Kusunose (talk · contribs)
12. Lvhis (talk · contribs) Added 23:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC) after edits made here.

Articles concerned in this dispute

• Senkaku Islands (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Senkaku Islands dispute (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

Previous attempts: (archived)

• 26 October, 2003 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 1#Title
• Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 2 Note: Most of Archive 2 deals with the title of the article.
• 18 July 2007 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Requested move
• 1 September 2009 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Page move
• 8 September 2010 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Pinnacle Islands
• 18 July 2007 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Requested move
• 9 September 2010 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Requested move 2
• 14 October 2010 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 5#Controversy and Request for change of name
• 29 October 2010 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 5#Quick poll of involved users
• 23 November 2010 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 6#What should the title of this article be?
• 24 February 2011 Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 7#Is the title POV? Note: This thread was recently archived (today). –AJL 07:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
• 15 October 2010 Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-10-14/Senkaku Islands

Current attempts: (unarchived)

• 22 February 2011 Talk:Senkaku Islands#The title/name of this article sounds quite POV (now archived here on 11 May 2011)
• 20 April 2011 Talk:Senkaku Islands#Suggestion: Follow Liancourt Rocks precedent

Issues to be mediated

All aspects of article content over which there is disagreement should be listed here. The filing party should define the scope under "Primary issues", which is used to frame the case; other parties to the dispute can list other issues under "Additional issues", and can contest the primary issues on the case talk page.

Primary issue

• Constant disruption of talk page by running around in circles discussing whether or not the title represents a neutral point of view.

Additional issues (added by other parties)

• Same as above, but within the context of the Senkaku Islands dispute. Note: This addendum was added by Phead128 in the above statement. – AJL 06:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

• Likewise, the title of 2010 Senkaku boat collision incident is also questionable. STSC (talk) 19:17, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

• Unstated premises in the "primary issue" need to be explicit. Otherwise, these hidden factors skew negotiation in ways which undercut all reasonable hope for a constructive and lasting outcome.

• Issue #1, Domino effect. This article title is complicated by the anticipated "domino effect" which flows from every step of its development. It is counter-productive to pretend otherwise.

• Issue #2, Looking backward. This article title -- and this subject -- is a battleground. It is impractical to pretend that it is not.

• Issue #3, Looking forward. A structural premise of mediation is that all necessary parties have agreed to participate; but this is not the case here.

  The scope of "primary issues" which frame this case does also include future contributors who have not yet caused us to run around the mulberry bush. In the future as in the past, this article title will attract the participation of editors whose single-purpose perspective will skew our collaborative editing process.

• Issue #4, Fact vs. factoid. Our conventional processes for discerning the threshold requirements for inclusion in Misplaced Pages -- our core concepts, policies and procedures -- were construed as tangential in talk page threads; but they are not irrelevant or dispensable. It is unacceptable to pretend otherwise.

• Issue #5, False dilemma. Characterising the participants as "both sides pretty much entrenched and non-collaborative" is a self-fulfilling prophesy. This tactic presumes that there are only two sides to every issue.

In our mediation process, the consequences of some foreseeable problems can be mitigated by identifying them. --Tenmei (talk) 09:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

• Long standing issue with citation and interpretation of sources. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Parties' agreement to mediation

All parties please indicate below whether they agree to mediation of this dispute; remember to sign your post. Extended comments should be made on the case talk page. Every party listed above will be automatically notified that this request has been filed.

1. Agree. – AJL 04:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
   • I am withdrawing from participating in this mediation request. – AJL 10:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
2. Agree. STSC (talk) 04:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
3. Decline. I have only been involved in one significant dispute of this page, and so will not be of much use nor qualified to comment. Moreover, who wonders who entrenched and nasty this could be... HXL's Roundtable and Record 04:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

   • Response: My apologies to you HWL49. I may have been a bit hasty in adding your name to this list. You may recuse from participating in this particular request. – AJL 07:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

4. Decline. As per my intentions to maintain my WP:COOL and keep the peace, I am reluctant to engage in discussion on contentious issues for the time being. Hence, I will keep my distance from this particular topic. Never mind, just realised this was a RfM, and a little input can't hurt. Even though my involvement in the subject in recent times is minimal, I'll participate anyway. Agreeing. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 06:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
5. Agree. John Smith's (talk) 09:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
6. Agree. Phead128 (talk) 05:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
7. Agree. Though I'm not fully convinced this is the place to talk about the matter. It might be WP:NCGN. Oda Mari (talk) 08:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
8. Agree. While its true that there are other forums to take this to, we've already done that, haven't we? We've definitely discussed the issue at NCGN; I feel like we've discussed it at NPOVN, although that may have been a different SI related topic. Is there some reason to work there first before going into mediation, when it's invariably the case that it will come back here eventually anyway? Qwyrxian (talk) 08:22, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
   Addendum: In addition, I think part of the reason this belongs here is because other editors have argued, in essence, that there's a conflict between how the Article Title policy and NPOV interact with regards to this specific case. Personally, as everyone here knows, I don't see a conflict, but I can easily see how those opposed to the current name might feel that any one single noticeboard won't actually solve the matter. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
   Second Addendum: As of about 0:700 GMT, 15 June, I will be on a Wikibreak for approximately 8 days. I am unlikely to have any substantial access to Misplaced Pages during this time. I would appreciate it if no final decisions are made regarding this mediation until I return, if that is at all possible (although I do approve the Code in its current form or even a somewhat altered one). Qwyrxian (talk) 01:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
9. Agree. I don't expect much from this. Let's see what happen. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
10. Agree. --Tenmei (talk) 14:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
11. Agree. --Kusunose 17:02, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
12. Agree. Although, I haven't been around for a while. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 01:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
13. Decline. If I declined to respond to even the first WP:RFM, it would be insanity to think I would consent to participating in this one. –HXL's Roundtable and Record 18:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

    This is still the first RFM. I assume you came here as a result of the message posted by the MediationBot? I'll remove you from the above list so it doesn't happen again. If the Meditation Committee decides that is a problem though, I'll have to re-add your name to the list. – AJL 23:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

14. Agree. --Here I have been the last one signing this. I also signed "Agree" in the corresponding section which our new mediator Freezo set in "the Talk Page", where you can see a partial reason of my delay in this signing. --Lvhis (talk) 21:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment from the Mediation Committee: Now that the #Issues to be mediated have been specified, the below conversation is probably redundant so I've collapsed it. I'll notify everybody below of the newly-added issues, then ask them to add their formal response to this request. For the Mediation Committee, AGK 21:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Decision of the Mediation Committee

A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate whether this request is to be accepted or rejected. Notes concerning the request and questions to the parties may also be posed by a committee member in this section.

• Request to filing party: Please specify what this dispute is about by completing the #Issues to be mediated section. Thank you. For the Mediation Committee, AGK 13:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
• Holding off on processing request, for about two days. For the Mediation Committee, AGK 22:27, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
• Accept. Two parties have not agreed to this request, but neither are significant parties to this dispute: User:Bobthefish2 has not edited for some months, and User:HXL49 is declaredly not very involved. On balance, then, formal mediation of this dispute can proceed. For the Mediation Committee, AGK 15:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

• Your new assigned mediator is User:Feezo. He has indicated on the Committee mailing list that he is getting up to speed on the issues relating to this case, and will be beginning proceedings soon. For the Mediation Committee, AGK 23:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)