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| Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at ], and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome. ] (]) | |||
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| <br /><br /><sub>Automated message by ] from ] at 15:44, 5 April 2011</sub> | |||
| == Jews and banking == | |||
| I would like to request input on two draft articles that I have been working on: | |||
| *] | |||
| *] | |||
| Yes, I understand that having an article titled ] sounds like an antisemitic canard and I am open to changing the title. However, I do think that there is an encyclopedic topic around the role of Jews and the emergence of modern banking. | |||
| My interest in this topic was sparked by the disastrous attempt by ] to create an article titled ], subsequently retitled to ] which has since been deleted via AFD (see ]). | |||
| It has been widely recognized by participants in the AFD discussion that there were many problems with Noleander's initial attempt including overly broad scope which suggested a ], poor organization of the article, injudicious selection of sources and misrepresentation of some of the sources. However, a number of editors (myself among them) felt that there were one or more encyclopedic topics covered. It was proposed that some of the issues could be resolved by pulling out the encyclopedic topics and making articles about those specific topics. The two articles above represent my efforts to begin that process. | |||
| I would like to ask enlist the help of members of this project to review the entire text of these proposed articles as well as critique the article title. | |||
| I think the judicious selection of article titles is almost as important as article text because titles change much less frequently than article text does and the article title implies a scope that strongly influences what text is added and deleted from the article. | |||
| I am not too thrilled with the title "Jews and banking" as it still sounds antisemitic to me. I'm playing with "History of Jews in banking" but I'm open to other suggestions. | |||
| Thanks in advance for your assistance. | |||
| --] (]) 18:24, 9 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :On cursory skimming of the opening paragraphs I think I like the approach you have taken. At the same time, I would strongly suggest you delay moving this article to the main namespace until ] has closed. ] | ] 15:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :I'd like to see less reliance on the ADL in debunking the antisemitic canards. Antisemites immediately dismiss anything the ADL says, and in any event scholarly sources would be best for this minefield of a topic. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 19:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yeh... I understand your point. It's just that the ADL stuff was easiest to find via Google. There are other sources available through Google Books but it's been heavy slogging to turn up the appropriate sources. Maybe other editors can provide better sources if and when this goes into article mainspace. --] (]) 16:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :I would just ask that you do think of another title, as I think your instincts regarding how the title would be perceived are correct. I am frankly more concerned on how anti-semites would perceive it (unfortunately, they are still a substantial group) than how Jews would.] (]) 21:49, 14 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yeh... I'm still struggling with article topics and article scope. I decided for now to give up on ] and just create an article titled ]. About 20-25% of that article is devoted to the Jewish part of the story. I expect that percentage will shrink to 10-15% over time. For now, my thinking is that it is sufficient for the German-Jewish part of the story to be presented in the overall context of this article and that we don't need an article that focuses on the Jewish part of the story. | |||
| ::However, I'm still struggling with ]. I really think there is an encyclopedic article here and this thesis is supported by the existence of ] in the form of books on the subject of "Jews and money" by Gerald Krefetz and Abraham Foxman. | |||
| ::Especially given the recent [[Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noleander/Proposed decision| | |||
| ARBCOM case regarding Noleander]], I want to step very carefully in this area. I think my proposed draft eliminates most, if not all, of the issues that were present in Noleander's failed attempt at an article on ]. However, I'm concerned that moving my draft into a title like ] or ] will set off tripwires unnecessarily. I am very much open to suggestions to changes in title or even changes in article scope. I am more interested in presenting the information and not interested in pushing any particular POV thesis (with, of course, the exception of debunking the antisemitic canard that there is/was an international Jewish conspiracy to control international finance). | |||
| ::In this regard, I've contemplated an article titled ] which would focus specifically on the canard, the facts and arguments that are used to promote it and the arguments used to debunk it. For example, I found it interesting that, after Jacob Schiff died in 1921, the Jewish presence in investment banks founded by German-Jewish immigrants diminished. There are sources who provide statistics indicating that Jews are barely present in banking throughout much of the 20th century. Most of the data I've seen relates to the U.S. banking industry but I also saw one reference making a similar point about the French banking industry. Does anybody have thoughts on the desirability/undesirability of creating such an article? | |||
| ::--] (]) 16:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == ] at ] == | |||
| An editor has been arguing that ] should be removed from the ] article. A discussion regarding this can be found at ]. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 19:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| ] ] (]) 18:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Article rename discussion for ] == | |||
| The article ] was recently renamed to ]. There is an ongoing discussion regarding the proposal to rename it back to its original title. This article is listed as part of this WikiProject, and comments may be left at ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 19:02, 15 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Mesivta Birkas Yitzchok == | |||
| ] needs some serious cleanup, sourcing and wikifying. Any help would be appreciated.] (]) 14:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Giving it a shot. It seems copy-pasted from the school web site. ] (]) 14:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks.] (]) 18:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == "]" - Prod? == | |||
| There has just arisen a broad-based attempt by a user to slant various articles to match the philosophy of a new denomination connected with a school in Toronto. The denomination claims to be reconstruction (N.P.I.) of the original Judaism. No problem there, but the author is not only writing POV, but slanting writing about other denominations (Orthodoxy, to be specific) to match. (See my revert in ]; there is nothing wrong with the comment on Orthodoxy, but it clearly is there to support the conclusion of the article, where he gives his denomination as an alternative.) | |||
| The basic article is ]; nothing wrong with his describing his denomination and even slanting a bit, but the article is so POV/COI (particularly with the implications about current Orthodoxy) that I am wondering if it should be deleted. However, I am not familiar with the criteria for such a move or better alternatives.] (]) 13:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :I just ]'ed it. ]. ] (]) 14:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | == ] == | ||
| Would members like to create a page about the ] N.E. Region. Current page is only regarding Florida branch. ] 17:34 17 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
| Please see my comments on the Talk page there under "Noah". I suggest that "Olive branch" is not part of Judaism. ] (]) 18:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == ] has an ]== | |||
| == Tahash == | |||
| <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''' has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. | |||
| I think it would be a very good idea for knowledgeable members of this project to take a look at ]. I'll be frank; the reason I ask this is because the article has had hundreds of edits by an editor who has recently said that he's leaving Misplaced Pages in a huff, mainly because he's not getting his way at ] and who has some very odd ideas about sourcing, including ]. I'll be honest; there's so much scattered crap at the article, I'm more than half tempted to revert it to the state it was in before his first edit there. --] (]) 07:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == ] has an ]== | |||
| :A good number of editors have tried their (our) best at ]. The editor in question has a real problem with ]. He has some good content but is difficult to impossible to work with. I've dropped the article from my watchlist in frustration as may have others. If you are willing to give it a shot I'll join you but I'm short on patience for problems of ]. ] (]) 11:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''', which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. | |||
| ::As I mentioned, the editor in question seems to have left in a fit of pique, so there may be hope for the article, I made two small edits, then took a longer look at the article and concluded that the sort of minor revisions I was making weren't going to help much. The article is about 75,000 bytes long right now. (It has been as high as 100,000) I figure that's about 70,000 bytes too long. Take out all the irrelevant speculative nonsense, like disputes about the dates for Moses, that have nothing to do with tahash, and we'll probably be in about the right neighborhood. --] (]) 19:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Morris Soller == | |||
| == 2 sources to support that ] is Jewish? == | |||
| Hello WPJ. I have created Morris Soller and have ''probable'' but not ''sufficient'' information. Because I have not done this before WPJ's input is welcome at ]. Thank you in advance. ] (]) 13 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| The attention of others should be brought to this matter. Should a reliable source referring to ] as a ''"Jewish artist"'' be removed as ? I have restored that source . Would 2 sources be an excessive amount of sources to support that Yanofsky is Jewish? ] (]) 11:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Are these duplicate topics? == | |||
| :Can anyone else weigh in, because it is not my aim to edit war , , , & . ] (]) 02:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| There is an older article ] and newly-created ]. Are these duplicates about the same topic? ] (]) 19:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::The source, which uses the adjective "Jewish" to describe her does not actually verify the text in the entry, which says that she was raised by a "close-knit Jewish family," but another source, already in the entry does. Why do you keep on adding back? It is not needed. Leave it be.] (]) 03:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Articles for types of Jews as well as for their histories == | |||
| :::Griswaldo—the source says: What do you mean by ] is a ] ''"Jewish artist"'' means the artist is Jewish. Why would someone be referred to as a ''"Jewish jazz sensation"'' if they were not Jewish? ] (]) 03:28, 3 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Bus stop why are you asking questions that I have already answered. The entry '''does not''' say that she "is Jewish" is says she was raised in a Jewish family. The references you cite here don't say that she was raised in a Jewish family but refer to her as Jewish. We have a source that states emphatically the claim made in the entry. Case closed. Move onto something more productive. Cheers.] (]) 11:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| Please see the discussion at ]. Thank you, ] (]) 20:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Griswaldo—I find you stating that it would constitute for our article to state that Nikki Yanofsky was Jewish. Do you still stand by that? I find that our two sources— and —support quite appropriately, even by our more stringent ] standards, that Yanofsky is Jewish. ] (]) 04:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Help needed at ] and ] == | |||
| == Talk:The Holocaust in Serbia == | |||
| I was working on copyediting ], and the ] section needed extensive CE. I did my best there, but it also needs a lot more citations and verification of existing citations. That section seems to be lifted straight out of ], which also needs better citations and verification. I've added ] to ], and would appreciate someone knowledgeable to look over the content before I return to copyedit it further. ] (]) 01:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| We have a little content dispute over here at ], so a third opinion (or contribution) is appreciated. Basically, another editor created the article, but only to a level of a poorly referenced stub, and then left. I don't see a point of such an article, so I merged what's usable into ]. | |||
| == Cleanup of WikiProject Judaism's style advice essay == | |||
| The topic potentially deserves a full-scale article, but is hardly a good start. ] (]) 07:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| {{FYI|pointer=y}} | |||
| == Infringing upon human rights of the Jews at ]? == | |||
| The page presently at ] has been ] to ] to be consistent with other ] on style, since it is not part of the ] guidelines. | |||
| For the same reason, "MOS" shortcuts to it are nominated for replacement, at ]. | |||
| Looks like some more input at ] might be useful. Thanks. ] (]) 17:05, 30 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Good point, but I am even more concerned that the header of ] ignores the traditional view entirely. What happens when people do school reports about Passover? I believe the NPOV page (see the questions) allows traditional views. I fixed this somewhat at the Daniel page.] (]) 19:20, 30 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| PS: The wording in it needs considerable work, as it strays off-topic, has a bit of an us-vs.-them and occasionally even ranty tone, ironically has not been in compliance with a dozen or so parts of the actual MoS, and has other issues. I resolved a bit of this in one section, but really this hasn't been very substantively overhauled in over a decade, and almost all of it is the output of a handful of 2006–2007 editors. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 08:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| == On moving ] into ] == | |||
| Now that the Arbcom case and Passover are both out of the way. What should happen with this article? Is it salvageable in its current form? Or would an AfD be better with the option of someone with a less dubious editing history being able to start again from scratch?--] (]) 20:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| : Would you mind to explain the issue? Not everybody here (me specifically included) knows what the problem is with this article and/or its editors. And what Arbcom case (link)?] (]) 20:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| Please see ]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 15:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Request for review == | |||
| ::It was created and built by {{User|Noleander}}, who on 18 April ] for odious bias. ] | ] 22:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
| Please check the following edits. thanks! ] (]) 16:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| :::I can only say this about Noleander. Some months ago (over a year?) I did a reliability check on his use of sources at ]. What I found was that, of the online sources I could easily check, '''none''' of them was free of distortion, misuse, original research or other fundamental problems. Since then, I have noticed that he heavily favors print sources over sources that are easier to verify. However, I didn't really have time to chase them down so I left them alone. Now that this arbcom decision has been made, I think it's clear that '''nothing Noleander says about a source can be taken on trust.''' It should all be treated with a presumption of having been falsified unless proof is provided to the contrary. I don't know if the arbcom decision went this far, but I favor deleting or reverting all his contributions on the subject of Judaism. --] (]) 06:16, 1 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 03:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Okay, I have created ]. Steven, you are welcome to use this space for any related afds you want to create.--] (]) 21:13, 1 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
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== Rabbinic references question == | ||
| Question: I've been reviewing ], which currently uses many rabbinic primary sources. Given Misplaced Pages concerns with primary sources, is there any specific guidance for using halakhic texts on halakhic topics? Also, is there Misplaced Pages guidance on how to cite rabbinic sources? For instance, do we need publisher name and standard pages to specific versions? Or does it suffice to say, for instance, Shulchan Aruch OC 425:2 and similar? ] (]) 16:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| There seems to be an edit war going on, on the article on Rav Shach, between ] and ]. Please see ] if you can help.] (]) 19:24, 1 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| : Again... ] (]) 22:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Many rabbinic sources are not primary sources. For example, is a secondary source for the purpose "what haftara is read on Erev Rosh Chodesh?". However, it is (like any book from 1563) very outdated, and more recent works should be preferred. For "what was the normal practice in 1563" it is a primary source. But cites don't need to be religiously secular. The most reliable source for "what haftara is read on Erev Rosh Chodesh" is probably just a more recent rabbi. | |||
| == The Arizal was a Palestinian == | |||
| :In terms of citation style I wonder this also. I think the ideal is to link to Sefaria when available. There are "standard editions" for some works (usually Israeli offsets of prewar Ashkenazic printings) but no convenient list and not remotely all. Many works have never been printed by themselves, only on the margins, or at the back, of other books, which makes them even harder to cite. When available it can be tempting to cite a fancy critical edition but they're so much harder to access and never translated, so I try to refrain unless it really matters. Anyway if Sefaria is an option I always choose it. Sefaria is aligned with our mission, very easy to use, mostly linkable by the paragraph, and constantly improving the texts in their library. ] (]) 23:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == First year with Kislev extending into January? == | |||
| I have reverted some edits of ] recently, which resulted in ]. | |||
| (flipped a coin between asking here and in RD/Misc) After trying to describe when Hanukkah is to a non-Jew, the question came up of given the *gradual* drift of the Hebrew calendar relative to the sun, in which year will the last day of Kislev first occur in January? ] (]) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| One of the edits is sick edit, which shocked me by its antisemitic POV. Please see ] of things that need to be fixed. | |||
| == Feedback and advice wanted on ] == | |||
| In addition, I think it is about time this WikiProject take note of the subject for which the WP:ANI case was opened, since I feel a little like a lone voice in the wilderness in my arguments with Chesdovi, who - as I just now found out - has a history of quite a few blocks in connection with ]. ] (]) 21:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Calling the Arizal Hakodosh Palestinain in neither anti-semitic nor achronistic. You are confusing modern day politics with centuries old classification of Jewish sages in the Holy Land. Don't let the I-P conflcit blind or confuse you. The ] is out of sink with all other similar categories, and spans to larger period. A category for all Palestinian rabbis throughout the centuries if sorely needed. There is no shortage of RS which refer to such rabbis as Palestinian and we should not be any dfferent. We simply cannot have a category called the Land of Israel Gaonate or Gaonate in the Land of Israel instead of its proper usage in RS, namely as the Palestinian Gaonate. ] (]) 22:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| I'm rewriting the template and would like some feedback on my ideas, and advice on undocumented features. I seem to recall this WikiProject was looped in the last time major work was done on it. Come to ]! ]<sup>]</sup> 13:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Personally, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other ''but'' I think the right thing to do is to bring more editors into the discussion rather than edit war between yourselves. It's clear that each of you has strong opinions on the subject, but please, let's ''try'' to discuss this calmly, okay? — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:21, 2 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::Just to be clearer: I was speaking of the dispute at AN/I concerning categorizing rabbis. With regard to the specific edit cited above, I reverted it because it was redundant: it resulted in a sentence that read "Palestinian rabbi ... in Ottoman Palestine." — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
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Aleph Institute
Would members like to create a page about the Aleph Institute N.E. Region. Current page is only regarding Florida branch. Helpfulguy101 17:34 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC
Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.
Shem HaMephorash has an RFC
Shem HaMephorash, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.
Morris Soller
Hello WPJ. I have created Morris Soller and have probable but not sufficient information. Because I have not done this before WPJ's input is welcome at Talk:Morris Soller. Thank you in advance. Invasive Spices (talk) 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Are these duplicate topics?
There is an older article Emigration of Jews from Nazi Germany and German-occupied Europe and newly-created Jewish refugees from Nazism. Are these duplicates about the same topic? MKFI (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles for types of Jews as well as for their histories
Please see the discussion at Talk:Georgian Jews#Requested move 12 November 2024. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 20:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Help needed at Haymanot and Beta Israel
I was working on copyediting Beta Israel, and the Beta Israel#Religion section needed extensive CE. I did my best there, but it also needs a lot more citations and verification of existing citations. That section seems to be lifted straight out of Haymanot, which also needs better citations and verification. I've added Template:GOCEreviewed to Haymanot, and would appreciate someone knowledgeable to look over the content before I return to copyedit it further. Clementhyme (talk) 01:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Cleanup of WikiProject Judaism's style advice essay
FYI – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.
The page presently at WP:WikiProject Judaism/Manual of Style has been nominated for renaming to WP:WikiProject Judaism/Style advice to be consistent with other wikiproject advice essays on style, since it is not part of the WP:MOS guidelines.
For the same reason, "MOS" shortcuts to it are nominated for replacement, at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#MOS:JEW.
PS: The wording in it needs considerable work, as it strays off-topic, has a bit of an us-vs.-them and occasionally even ranty tone, ironically has not been in compliance with a dozen or so parts of the actual MoS, and has other issues. I resolved a bit of this in one section, but really this hasn't been very substantively overhauled in over a decade, and almost all of it is the output of a handful of 2006–2007 editors. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
On moving WP:JESUSCHRIST into MOS:BIO#Honorifics
FYI – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.
Please see Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Proposal to import a line-item from WP:JUDAISMSTYLE into MOS:BIO. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Request for review
Please check the following edits. thanks! 132.71.108.188 (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Yoel Kahn#Requested move 30 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yoel Kahn#Requested move 30 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 03:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Rabbinic references question
Question: I've been reviewing Kiddush levana, which currently uses many rabbinic primary sources. Given Misplaced Pages concerns with primary sources, is there any specific guidance for using halakhic texts on halakhic topics? Also, is there Misplaced Pages guidance on how to cite rabbinic sources? For instance, do we need publisher name and standard pages to specific versions? Or does it suffice to say, for instance, Shulchan Aruch OC 425:2 and similar? ProfGray (talk) 16:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Many rabbinic sources are not primary sources. For example, Shulchan Arukh OC 425:2 is a secondary source for the purpose "what haftara is read on Erev Rosh Chodesh?". However, it is (like any book from 1563) very outdated, and more recent works should be preferred. For "what was the normal practice in 1563" it is a primary source. But cites don't need to be religiously secular. The most reliable source for "what haftara is read on Erev Rosh Chodesh" is probably just a more recent rabbi.
- In terms of citation style I wonder this also. I think the ideal is to link to Sefaria when available. There are "standard editions" for some works (usually Israeli offsets of prewar Ashkenazic printings) but no convenient list and not remotely all. Many works have never been printed by themselves, only on the margins, or at the back, of other books, which makes them even harder to cite. When available it can be tempting to cite a fancy critical edition but they're so much harder to access and never translated, so I try to refrain unless it really matters. Anyway if Sefaria is an option I always choose it. Sefaria is aligned with our mission, very easy to use, mostly linkable by the paragraph, and constantly improving the texts in their library. GordonGlottal (talk) 23:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
First year with Kislev extending into January?
(flipped a coin between asking here and in RD/Misc) After trying to describe when Hanukkah is to a non-Jew, the question came up of given the *gradual* drift of the Hebrew calendar relative to the sun, in which year will the last day of Kislev first occur in January? Naraht (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Feedback and advice wanted on Template:Bibleverse
I'm rewriting the template and would like some feedback on my ideas, and advice on undocumented features. I seem to recall this WikiProject was looped in the last time major work was done on it. Come to the talk page! EnronEvolved 13:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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