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== Neutral-source article == == The lead ==

For future reference, here is a recent article from the New York Times about Nawi's activism and conviction: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/world/middleeast/28westbank.html. --] (]) 20:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
in source 8 which claims that "settlers" have tried to assasinate Mr. Nawi, yet there is no evidence of any such attempt to assasinate Mr. Nawi. The only mention of an attempt is found in this quote. "In the last few weeks, police intelligence agents have warned him on several occasions that the settlers intend to take him out. 'Whoever brings his head will be very highly regarded in the settlements,' says attorney Yael Barda, who helps the Palestinians in the region. "
The lack of a real quote from police leads me to believe that the accusation is baseless. That Haartz would use a quote from Yael Barda which insinuates that the "settlers" are a bunch of thugs which honor people who murder "activists" is troubling. Perhaps it should be stated that Haartz is propaganda organ for the "palestinian" cause and people like Nawi.
] (]) 18:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC) wendysfriend

== Sex and drugs convictions since 1992 ==
Its interesting to note that Ezra Nawi's Hebrew Misplaced Pages page mentions the 1992 conviction for sodomy with a minor (who was a Palestinian Arab) etc (with a link to a transcript of the original court proceedings from the court website) but - up until now - the English version of the page does not (nor the Spanish). ] (]) 10:59, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


RolandR Reverted 3 edits by Cckkab (talk): "The sources cited do not confirm this claim." Again, there is a link to a transcript of the original court proceedings from the court website, + a reference to a newspaper article (the well known Haaretz) + I could add many more articles supporting the evidence. Plus the information and references are carried on the Hebrew entry. So I'd consider RolandR undo as vandalism. ] (]) 11:39, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

:The Hebrew Misplaced Pages article does not link to any court transcript; it uses the same Hebrew Misplaced Pages article used here. This article makes no mention of any alleged conviction in 1992, it merely relates to Nawi's 2009 conviction for "assaulting a police officer". I will see if I can find the English version of this article in the Haaretz archive. Without a reliable source -- which we do not have -- this claim is totally unacceptable in a biography of a living person. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 12:00, 30 July 2011 (UTC)}

:: I can get you transcripts. But your claim (in the comments) that Haaretz does support the conviction is patently false). Note that the 1992 sex conviction is noow front page news in Ireland because of a presidential candidate's amorous links to Ezra Nawi. You are not going to be able to go against the extensive evidence now across the world press.

:: The current interest in the underage sex case stems from the association of Ezra Nawi to Irish presidential hopeful, ] , with the association leading to several of David Norris’ campaigners resigning http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0730/1224301621244.html

== Protected ==

The article has been protected on an old version for two weeks per . Please discuss here the quality of the evidence of criminal violations that has recently been added to the article. We should not be relying on a Google translation from the Hebrew to get the details of a legal process correct. People who know Hebrew should be participating. Because this man appears well-known internationally, such information would be expected to also be published in English if it is actually true. Note that even now some of the reference links in the article don't work, like ref. 9 about the international campaign in his support. ] (]) 13:37, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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The lead is a disaster. Nobody doubts that Nawi has been charged with and/or convicted of numerous offences but that does not mean one has to blanket the lead with the minutiae of all cases.
Ed Johnston notes above that footnote 9 is wrong. It looks as though the site has lapsed. The content is archived on the Wayback Machine; could an admin edit this footnote, to link to ? Thanks <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 14:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
:{{EP|d}} ] (]) 15:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


* The statutory rape case is detailed in too much detail. All kinds of caveats and detailing of minutiae are present. This is not a matter for the lead. Only the fact of the conviction should be noted only in the lead and elaborated later on the article. The Norris matter belongs in the Norris article, if anywhere.
* The Uvda case is a prime example of ]. One can note the story and give a capsule summary, but it is way ] to devote a large paragraph in the lead and give all reactions of everyone, only to finally end with the courts dismissing the arrest.


I have made the following changes to the lead:
:In addition to the sources given above, we also have in English, evidence of his sex and drug-related convictions in the following:
:Haaretz (Haaretz.com is one of the world's leading English-language Website for real-time news and analysis of Israel and the Middle East.): http://www.haaretz.com/news/leftist-jailed-for-1-month-for-assaulting-police-in-west-bank-1.5708 ''Nawi, who has prior convictions for sexually assaulting a minor, illegal use of weapons and drug offenses, has been active for Palestinian rights...''


* Removed all detail about the statutory rape case, just noting the fact of the conviction for statutory rape.
:SHALOM LIFE: http://www.shalomlife.com/news/13374/west-bank-sexual-assaults-silenced--page2/ '' it was also revealed that Nawi is a convicted pedophile, having been convicted of sexually assaulting a Palestinian boy. '
* Added a note about Palestinian law forbidding land sales to Israelis.
* Removed all details about the arrest. It was nullified in a couple of weeks and is simply one more episode of the many arrests which the lead states.


Feel free to revert/edit/discuss/whatever. ]&nbsp;]&nbsp;] 18:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:Israel-academia-monitor.com - Hebrew University http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=8056&page_data%5Bid%5D=173&cookie_lang=en “Nawi was convicted in 1992 for committing a sodomy act in a youth and for drug abuse.”
:I made a small tweak but otherwise I'm fine with the changes. ] (]) 19:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:On second thought it now once again looks like he only spent time in prison as a "consequence of his activism". Please fix that. Nishidani gets mad when I do. ] (]) 20:23, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:Ezra Nawi's claim to fame was that of a local rights activist, treated unjustly (which, while sad, does not make into an international figure at all). His past convictions are now figuring prominently in the news in Ireland because of his relationship with Irish presidential hopeful, David Norris. The Irish press takes Ezra Nawi's convictions in the 1990s as a given (with the best evidence of course on http://www.court.gov.il). Blogs are picking up now on the censoring out of this information from the Misplaced Pages English page on Ezra Nawi. ] (]) 15:54, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for fixing the disaster, Kingsindian. As to NMMGG's point just above. I don't get 'mad'. I object to people making edits on the basis of challenges that misread the natural syntax and sense of English sentences. There is no implication in the text that several short stints in prison mentioned were related to anything other than his activism. A spell in gaol for a statutory rape charge is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a consequence of his political 'activism'.] (]) 20:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Several people have said it reads to them as if he only spent time in jail "as a consequence of his activism". The fact he was convicted of other offenses does not mean he spent time in jail as a result of those convictions, so the lead must specify. Please fix it or I will. ] (]) 20:52, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::: I did not change that sentence of the lead. I only removed the details of the statutory rape case. I am unsure on how to fix it, and whether it needs fixing. You can have a go if you like. ]&nbsp;]&nbsp;] 20:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}You removed the stuff around it that said he was in jail for reasons that can't be construed as being part of his activism, such as statutory rape. It definitely needs fixing unless you want a Misplaced Pages article to imply that statutory rape was part of Nawi's activism. I'd rather not do it ''again'' because that results in walls of rambling text. I will if no-one else does, though. ] (]) 21:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::NMMGG. Trinacrialucente and yourself are not several people. I gave a detailed analysis of the point above. No one answered that. A fix is easy to satisfy this, to me, misreading of elementary English, to avoid even misprisions by careless readers, and I have provided it. ] (]) 21:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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The lead

The lead is a disaster. Nobody doubts that Nawi has been charged with and/or convicted of numerous offences but that does not mean one has to blanket the lead with the minutiae of all cases.

  • The statutory rape case is detailed in too much detail. All kinds of caveats and detailing of minutiae are present. This is not a matter for the lead. Only the fact of the conviction should be noted only in the lead and elaborated later on the article. The Norris matter belongs in the Norris article, if anywhere.
  • The Uvda case is a prime example of WP:RECENTISM. One can note the story and give a capsule summary, but it is way WP:UNDUE to devote a large paragraph in the lead and give all reactions of everyone, only to finally end with the courts dismissing the arrest.

I have made the following changes to the lead:

  • Removed all detail about the statutory rape case, just noting the fact of the conviction for statutory rape.
  • Added a note about Palestinian law forbidding land sales to Israelis.
  • Removed all details about the arrest. It was nullified in a couple of weeks and is simply one more episode of the many arrests which the lead states.

Feel free to revert/edit/discuss/whatever. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 18:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I made a small tweak but otherwise I'm fine with the changes. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
On second thought it now once again looks like he only spent time in prison as a "consequence of his activism". Please fix that. Nishidani gets mad when I do. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:23, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the disaster, Kingsindian. As to NMMGG's point just above. I don't get 'mad'. I object to people making edits on the basis of challenges that misread the natural syntax and sense of English sentences. There is no implication in the text that several short stints in prison mentioned were related to anything other than his activism. A spell in gaol for a statutory rape charge is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a consequence of his political 'activism'.Nishidani (talk) 20:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Several people have said it reads to them as if he only spent time in jail "as a consequence of his activism". The fact he was convicted of other offenses does not mean he spent time in jail as a result of those convictions, so the lead must specify. Please fix it or I will. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:52, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I did not change that sentence of the lead. I only removed the details of the statutory rape case. I am unsure on how to fix it, and whether it needs fixing. You can have a go if you like. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 20:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict)You removed the stuff around it that said he was in jail for reasons that can't be construed as being part of his activism, such as statutory rape. It definitely needs fixing unless you want a Misplaced Pages article to imply that statutory rape was part of Nawi's activism. I'd rather not do it again because that results in walls of rambling text. I will if no-one else does, though. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
NMMGG. Trinacrialucente and yourself are not several people. I gave a detailed analysis of the point above. No one answered that. A fix is easy to satisfy this, to me, misreading of elementary English, to avoid even misprisions by careless readers, and I have provided it. Nishidani (talk) 21:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
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