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I haven't edited much in the last few years because I was busy with work and other "real life" things, but I always figured I'd come back to contribute eventually. I love reading, writing, researching, and – above all – learning. I do not love drama, bureaucracy, cliquishness, or any of the other distractions that plagued Misplaced Pages when I was active, and it was cathartic to take a long break from caring about policies, guidelines, and procedures. During my absence, it seemed to me that the project was heading in the right direction: There were new UI features to make editing friendlier and easier for new users, for example, and I noticed last year that the ] had increased exponentially. (My memory is spotty, but it feels like when I first started editing, the foundation had no more than a couple dozen full-time employees.) As far as I could tell while removed from all the on-wiki goings-on, the project was healthy and growing. | |||
I saw the news earlier this year that Lila Tretikov was stepping down as executive director of the foundation; this struck me as unusual, given the brevity of her tenure. But I wasn't aware of the entire saga of apparent management and communication failures until I stumbled upon ]'s this week. I hadn't even heard of "Discovery" or any plans about a knowledge engine. | |||
Dear Fetchcomms<br/>Can you please explain the use of the word "bitches" .<br/>Yours sincerely,<br/>--] <sup>]</sup> 20:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
:I was trying to be funny in my edit summary. Don't worry, I'm not calling you my bitch. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/]]]'''</span> 02:22, 7 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
I am not anti-change or anti-innovation. Frankly, I don't care if the foundation decides to invest money into building a Google or Wolfram Alpha competitor. In fact, I think the community is often too stubborn and conservative when it comes to change. But what worries me is the apparent way in which mismanagement has led to a lack of oversight, transparency, and communication. The project leadership has lost sight of its core principles and, in the process, alienated a lot of community leaders for whom I had great respect. I was shocked to see how many foundation employees, many of whom began as regular old editors, have left in the past two years. The community does not run the foundation, but it's the lifeblood of the foundation's projects. The community doesn't always have to agree with the foundation's decisions, but it needs to trust the foundation and ultimately take a leap of faith and buy into the decisions that are made. It's clear to me that the trust has eroded, and there is no buy-in. | |||
== Upload wizards etc == | |||
I still love the idea of building up a repository of the world's knowledge. I still love researching topics that pique my interest and I still love writing. But I don't think I could care enough about Misplaced Pages to spend hours writing articles now after seeing how the leadership has alienated the very people who built their projects up – both volunteers and staffers – while neglecting the crucial tenets of transparency and accountability. | |||
Just as a follow-up to our discussion on the "proposals" page: I of course agree it would be worth pursuing an improved upload workflow, be it on the basis of the new ] they have on Commons now or whatever else. I'm not very tech-savvy when it comes to wiki development. Have you got any idea whether the UploadWizard could easily be adapted to our needs? From a cursory glance at its source code I had the feeling much of its structure was hard-coded in the form they use on Commons. We would of course need a lot of much more fine-grained forms with different, specific questions asked for different types of non-free files here. | |||
I'll return when I think I can care enough again, but until then, thanks for all the fish, and try not to take this place so seriously. (Seriously, lighten up!) | |||
I don't know if you saw it, but I made this sketch of the kinds of steps an uploader might be guided through and the kinds of questions they should be asked at each stage, here: ] (note that this would of course be split up into sequences of different pages, each section being one screen). This is of course very far away from any technical implementation yet. Any thoughts? ] ] 16:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
:I'm not sure whether it would be easy to have the UploadWizard enabled here, but I agree that a version for enwiki would require a lot more custom stuff for non-free files. I'm also not very fond of the UploadWizard for several reasons (one of which, as you mentioned elsewhere is because you have to upload the files before filling out the information and stuff) but I think it's main strong point is simplicity over the regular upload form. Unfortunately, this means less licensing choices, which I also dislike, but I'm hoping that will get addressed in the future. | |||
<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/]]]'''</span> 18:51, 23 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I read your draft page and I think it's definitely a good plan, and much more clear, but should probably clarify how to send permission to OTRS better. That's one issue that's difficult to explain because it's not clear enough to most users what we ] unless they look through multiple pages and whatnot. If we just say something like: | |||
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:Etc., etc. This would help reduce the number of OTRS responses that are "sorry, we need a more clear statement of permission" or "sorry, what image are you talking about" and so on. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/]]]'''</span> 17:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
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I haven't edited much in the last few years because I was busy with work and other "real life" things, but I always figured I'd come back to contribute eventually. I love reading, writing, researching, and – above all – learning. I do not love drama, bureaucracy, cliquishness, or any of the other distractions that plagued Misplaced Pages when I was active, and it was cathartic to take a long break from caring about policies, guidelines, and procedures. During my absence, it seemed to me that the project was heading in the right direction: There were new UI features to make editing friendlier and easier for new users, for example, and I noticed last year that the number of WMF staff had increased exponentially. (My memory is spotty, but it feels like when I first started editing, the foundation had no more than a couple dozen full-time employees.) As far as I could tell while removed from all the on-wiki goings-on, the project was healthy and growing.
I saw the news earlier this year that Lila Tretikov was stepping down as executive director of the foundation; this struck me as unusual, given the brevity of her tenure. But I wasn't aware of the entire saga of apparent management and communication failures until I stumbled upon GorillaWarfare's timeline this week. I hadn't even heard of "Discovery" or any plans about a knowledge engine.
I am not anti-change or anti-innovation. Frankly, I don't care if the foundation decides to invest money into building a Google or Wolfram Alpha competitor. In fact, I think the community is often too stubborn and conservative when it comes to change. But what worries me is the apparent way in which mismanagement has led to a lack of oversight, transparency, and communication. The project leadership has lost sight of its core principles and, in the process, alienated a lot of community leaders for whom I had great respect. I was shocked to see how many foundation employees, many of whom began as regular old editors, have left in the past two years. The community does not run the foundation, but it's the lifeblood of the foundation's projects. The community doesn't always have to agree with the foundation's decisions, but it needs to trust the foundation and ultimately take a leap of faith and buy into the decisions that are made. It's clear to me that the trust has eroded, and there is no buy-in.
I still love the idea of building up a repository of the world's knowledge. I still love researching topics that pique my interest and I still love writing. But I don't think I could care enough about Misplaced Pages to spend hours writing articles now after seeing how the leadership has alienated the very people who built their projects up – both volunteers and staffers – while neglecting the crucial tenets of transparency and accountability.
I'll return when I think I can care enough again, but until then, thanks for all the fish, and try not to take this place so seriously. (Seriously, lighten up!)
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- Hey fetch, welcome back Mlpearc (open channel) 18:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Fetchcomms, I'm so glad I ran into your talk page today! It was a pleasant surprise to see this note. I've also been much less active these past few years (until very recently) and have not had the drive to do any substantial writing, so I can empathize a bit in that respect. Hope all is well with you, and I hope to see you around some time. Best wishes, Airplaneman ✈ 15:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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- @Thebiguglyalien: Fetchcomms hasn't edited for almost 8 years. FYI. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up, but this was automated when I completed the listing. To my knowledge, there's no way to turn this off when using the GAR listing tool. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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