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==Etymology== == Note ==
Thank you for your contribution at the page about Ukrainains. In my opinion, Fedor Gaida is not a relevant historian at all, but it is OK to allow other users to play with Ukrainian name for so long they respect ukrainian sources and historians. Thanks for support!--] (]) 06:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


Please read ]. If you're adding contentious information about living persons, you need to be careful it is well sourced and does not contain any ]. ] (]) 00:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
==] is proud to be ]==
During an appearance on ] to promote ], Kunis explained that her family doesn't celebrate the ] – '''HOWEVER''', she did say that they celebrate ] with a casserole that uses ] and ]s. And during another appearance on ] to promote ], Kunis pronounced the name of her grandfather as "'''BorYs'''" – not "BorIs". Just FYI before you go hatin'. – ] (]) 00:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
::How do you even pronounce Boris and Borys differently? lol. She also said on Conan that she's "Russian".--''']''' <small>(])</small> 00:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


:It didn't seem contentious to me, the current wording was just a bit convoluted...to challenge the existence of something is to deny it. ''']''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 03:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
==Block and Final warning==
I warned this account months ago for inappropriate conduct on articles with regard to edits (and edit summaries) about race and ethnicity. It seems that this account has returned to that behaviour. This is the final warning you will receive for edits incompatible with wikipedia's core principles, core policies and codes for behaviour. It is, as has been pointed out, recorded in third party reliable sources that your views on Mila Kunis's ethnicity is incorrect. <br>Your action in revert warring on two articles about this (diffs show original edit and reverts), although not making more than 3 reverts this action (across 2 articles) ''does'' constitute a breach of ], due to repeated reverts without discussion and the spill over from one article to another (something an account with your history of edit-warring should be aware is inappropriate by now) - this has resulted in a 72 hour block. For clarity ] '''does not''' give an automatic right to 3 reverts per day on articles. <br>Previously I had to warn you that a person being black and English is absolutely possible - it is ''your problem'' if you haven't got that message. The fact that you are now edit-warring over your apparent belief that being Jewish & Ukrainian is not possible is ], incorrect, and contrary to the ] (source based, neutral point of view edits). You should be in no doubt User:Lvivske that further behaviour like this will be prevented by block if necessary. <br>Over the course of years you have been counseled and notified about your improper conduct on this site - most recently by me - the behaviour of this account since indicates that you are either ], or are ignoring these warnings, and are continuing to use ]. This sort of behaviour is forbidden on site and is explicitly listed as grounds for imposing sanction at both the and ]. <br>This message is both an official notification of these Arbitration findings in light of this account's edit warring about ethnicity and nationality on an article (]) and a related ] (]) and a final warning generally for edits, comments and other actions on this site, about race and ethnicity, (actions that either constitute POV editing, use of wikipedia to further off site/real world disputes, or push a POV) that are fundamentally at variance from the stated aims, goals and purpose of this project as an encyclopedia will result in this account loosing its editting privelages--] <sup>]</sup> 13:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


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::Know the situation before handing out discipline for what was '''clearly''' a good faith series of edits. I suggest you follow up on disputes a with a little more attention to detail than you did with this one because if this is a reflection of "findings" then I fear for safety of others' accounts who actually push a real boundary, unlike the BS you're citing above.--''']''' <small>(])</small> 02:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


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:::Lvivske, it is very clear that you ] or ], what wikipedia is for. Your block is a result of revert warring without discussion and the spill over of the dispute from one article to another. Your edits and edit summaries are what led here. (Also it is very easy for those of us reviewing your edits to see that ] describe this person as Ukrainian and ] not your opinion Lvivske). <br>Using wikipedia to further off site agendas or your POV is prohibitted. And especially so in Eastern European topics. You have been formally placed on notice of this. <br>Your failure to get the point ''vis-a-vis'' edits about race and ethnicity on wikipedia is your problem - whether that's due to a POV or a language barrier doesn't matter: wikipedia is a) not a battleground and b) requires competence to us. If you cannot adjust your behaviour to comply with our policies you will simply be prevented from breaking them. <br>I will remind you that ''ad hominem'' and ] comments like the above are not aceptable on wikipedia and may lead to further blocks or the revocation of your talk age access while blocked. Please see ] for advice on how to request a review of this block--] <sup>]</sup> 11:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

*A note for reviewing admins this block was made in light of reverts without discussion on the same issue/topic but on two articles - all done without discussion or attempts at discussion by Lvivske. Given his history of editwarring he is, or should be, aware of ] - hence the length of the block. <br>Also although Lvivske has only been listed as being notfified of WP:DIGWUREN by me yesterday - he was infact officaillay warned and notified here. Thus his behaviour in editwarring was in breach of those RFAR remedies ''after being warned''. <br>I've erred on the side of caution here only imposing 72 hours and offically listing Lvivske on ]'s list of notified users, however this block does fall in a grey area of ] of WP:DIGWUREN's discretionary sanctions as Lvivske was previously notified and so I am happy to discuss this block with a reviewing admin--] <sup>]</sup> 11:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Lvivske, I've had an additional comb over of ] and surrounding sections. It seems that the claim about his grandmother and his father is a claim about a ''third party'', and thus cannot be included. In addition, Youtube is not acceptable source at all – ].

I'm not entirely convinced why we even need any reference to these tidbits. This article is about Lex, not the specifics of where his father was born. If you want to look through the talk page archives, users generally seem to agree it was best to only cite secondary sources because Lex fans were going overboard with reference directly to podcast episodes. A blanket decision to exclude them seems appropriate to prevent this happening again. ] (]) 21:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:If there was a decision to omit his podcast transcripts as sources then thats fine, do you know where it was? ''']''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 00:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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It didn't seem contentious to me, the current wording was just a bit convoluted...to challenge the existence of something is to deny it. LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 03:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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Please stop trolling that page dude LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 21:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Lvivske, I've had an additional comb over of WP:BLPSELFPUB and surrounding sections. It seems that the claim about his grandmother and his father is a claim about a third party, and thus cannot be included. In addition, Youtube is not acceptable source at all – WP:RSPYT.

I'm not entirely convinced why we even need any reference to these tidbits. This article is about Lex, not the specifics of where his father was born. If you want to look through the talk page archives, users generally seem to agree it was best to only cite secondary sources because Lex fans were going overboard with reference directly to podcast episodes. A blanket decision to exclude them seems appropriate to prevent this happening again. Zenomonoz (talk) 21:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

If there was a decision to omit his podcast transcripts as sources then thats fine, do you know where it was? LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 00:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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