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	== ] at FAC ==

	Hi Ed!
	I just wanted to write a personal alert that I had nominated the article for FA status.

	Cheers, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 23:43, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

	:Hi again, Ed!
	:The article has no opposes and three formidable supports, FA juggernaut Malleus Fatuorum and two experienced economists & Wikipedians (Protonk and Volunteer Marek). Protonk suggested that I renew my requests for volunteer reviewers.
	:The article has a section on probability and measure theory that may especially interest you.
	:Cheers, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">].]</span></small> 09:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

	== Request ==

	Before I was blocked I had created an article which TFD saw fit to put up for deletion, I asked the admin who deleted the article to either restore it or move it to userspace, as he has not done this would you please do so? ] (]) 18:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
	:] has not edited since June, so he has not been around to look into your request. I have userfied the article at ]. It was deleted in June as an A7 and in my opinion it needs some work before it is restored to main space. Happy editing! ] (]) 02:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	::Thank you. ] (]) 08:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	See 18:25 today, which reverted edits made at 17:50 yesterday and which was not contiguous with at 3:07 (described specifically as a revert) It would appear to be 2RR in 14 1/2 hours, which might not ''precisely'' be in accord with the specific 1RR restriction you had imposed. I rather think the gaming going on is going to be a major problem unless it is noted shortly. Unless, of course, after 24 hours, an edit is not considered a revert? Cheers. ] (]) 21:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	:The second diff does not appear to be a revert, just a rejigging of the lede. Collect seems currently to be targeting ]. On ] Collect suggested bringing in Slrubenstein because Collect thought edits to that page by Paul Siebert might involve an issue related to antisemitism. He posted on ] and a discussion continued there and on ], with Slrubenstein not agreeing with Collect's personal interpretation of Paul Siebert's comments to an IP, who had made disruptive edits. This kind of reporting away from public noticeboards without due notification seems unhelpful. ] (]) 22:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	::I am not "targeting" anyone - the "rejigging" of the lede is what exactly led to the last problems on that article -- but I do not recall seeing you there at all? Do you just have this page watchlisted? As for Slrubenstein, I asked a question there which he provided a thoughtful answer for - and you appeared there as well. And at the talk page on the LaRouche movement as well. And at BLP/N. And Orson Scott Card. All inside a month. Cheers. ] (]) 22:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::Not at all. Slrubenstein's talk page has been on my watchlist for several years. So are ] and ], which I listed for full protection in November 2010 because of violent oscillations in the article (an article I watch but do not edit). Thanks, ] (]) 22:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	::: {{ec}} This sort of following to complain about editors outside one's topic area of interest by Mathsci is what is not helpful. (BTW Mathsci trucked out EEML conspiracy theories at the <s>A&I</s> Race and Intelligence arbitration proceedings for no reason. When there's nothing to see, we see what we want to see.) ]<small> ►]</small> 22:38, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	::::How so? I comment on all sorts of articles over quite a wide range. In general I prefer now not to edit any kind of controversial article. I am not responsible for problems with Collect's editing. What is A&I? Are you referring to some grudge of yours from the distant past? ] (]) 22:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	::::::Sorry about that then - I just was a tad astonished that since we have essentially ''no'' interests in common that you would run across me ''quite'' this often. (We "intersect" on a grand total of seven articles out of about two thousand I have watchlisted now). Cheers. ] (]) 22:56, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::I made several comments in November 2010 on a request at ] on exactly the same article. ] ] (]) 23:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::Which explains one out of six I think -- amazing how coincidences pile up, isn't it? ] (]) 01:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::: Sorry, typo, R&I, corrected. ]<small> ►]</small> 01:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::: @Mathsci, that was (my response, quoting you)... "WTF?<br>I am totally gobsmacked (not the first time) by Mathsci's "Involved participants under EE restrictions Vecrumba and more recently Biophys have started editing these articles or their talk pages well after the ArbCom case started; both started editing after having been placed under ArbCom restrictions in EE related matters. Vecrumba has stated that he has had a "life interest" in the subject."<br>I've "stated" I have an interest? That is innuendo that I'm lying, plain and simple. Mathsci also suggests that Biophys (who is a scientist) couldn't possibly have a legitimate interest in the subject after my happening to mention it as a life-long subject of interest for myself; rather, Mathsci would contend Biophys is joining me in a mini-EEML cabal to assault the Race and intelligence article. This sort of underhanded personal attack introduced as "evidence" proves the "evidence is the evidence." PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА ►TALK 21:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)"
	:::::::::::Vecrumba is unearthing edits/disputes that occurred during the ArbCom case ]. That case was closed ''13 months ago'' and all sanctions on me were lifted over ''9 months ago''. Closure of the case means that participants do not get to redebate it afterwards (if in doubt Vecrumba could ask an arbitrator like Newyorkbrad). None of this is connected in any way at all with the points I was making about Collect and Paul Siebert. ] (]) 03:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::: Past conflict is the best predictor of future conflict, that is all I am stating—how quickly you forget your callous disregard for good manners in your treatment of editors with whom you disagree. I only suggest introspection to insure ''your primary motivation in appearing here is content''. ]<small> ►]</small> 14:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
	{{od}} More hyperbolic rhetoric about articles or talk pages that I don't edit and where I have expressed no point of view on wikipedia. It's on my watchlist like ], which also became a contentious article. I am not interested in either ] (I unearthed two images of the Missionary College) or ]. Please refrain from making groundless personal attacks. Thanks, ] (]) 14:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

	== SPI report about ] ==

	You have been mentioned in a report at ]. You may wish to have a look and comment there. ] (]) 04:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

	== FYI ==

	I have opened a discussion on ] about problematic edits of ]. In the report I mentioned advice given by you. ] (]) 13:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

	== ] reported by ] ==

	{{hat\|The editor filed this at AN3 and it was acted on there}}
	'''Page:''' {{pagelinks\|Georgi Bogdanov}} <br />
	'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks\|Romanski1996}}

	* 1st revert: 10:23, 3 October 2011, (removes sourced piece of text - about Bulgarian self-identification of this man, what sources say)
	* 2nd revert: 18:36, 3 October 2011, (removal of the same text)
	* 3rd revert: 07:05, 4 October 2011, (revert of what the sources says, removal of sources)
	* 4th revert: 07:54, 4 October 2011, (last change, removal of sources and revert of ethnic self-identification.

	<!-- For more complex cases, it may be necessary to provide a previous version for each revert, or the actual words that are being changed. Adjust your report as necessary -->

	<!-- Warn the user if you have not already done so. -->
	Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: (last sentence, I tell him to stop reverting sourced information).

	<!-- You've tried to resolve this edit war on the article talk page, haven't you? So put a link to the discussion here. If all you've done is reverted-without-talk, you may find yourself facing a block too -->
	Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

	This User has the same editing-policy in other articles too, as for example: ], ] and ] ] (]) 08:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
	{{hab}}

	== I think that your report about me was oppressive ==

	{{hat\|]. This issue was taken to ANI, but I am not aware of any result. See archives 719, 721 and 723 }}
	Dear colegue, you warned me that my edits in the article ] were motivated by nationalism and than you reported it to the page of Digwuren . Firstly Iam not nationalist. Iam not emotionaly involved in this topic - Iam not Hungarian. Iam involved scholarly - I wish to make a better article and wikipedia. Iam not against the existence of the article about some kind of Hungarian early polity in 10th century. All my edits were made in good faith, I always used arguments and I communicated with User:Fakirbakir. He broken rule about http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle and reported me at ANI (according to him were my reverts and nomination of the page for deletion personal attacks) but administrators did not agree with him. On the other hand he told that Iam a nationalist - I read a plenty of Hungarian and English sources. I broken 3RR and I was blocked for a week - my mistake, I will not to do it more, it was a mistake. Please familiarize yourself with my objective reflections about the article "Principality of Hungary" () and I hope you will consider your apology to me and deletion of my report from the Digwurens page. All good. --] (]) 12:10, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
	:I gave you a ] notice after you'd already been warned many times by others. The case presented at the 3RR noticeboard in September was ]. Any admin who reviews that case and then looks at all the warnings on your talk page will most likely form an opinion that the DIGWUREN notice was justified. You are not yet under a topic ban from Eastern Europe, and to avoid getting into more restrictions, I advise you to use the article talk pages. Before making any significant changes, you should wait until you can persuade others to support your view. Thank you, ] (]) 17:19, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
	::Okay, but look to my situation. Iam presenting the main stream of the historians - I used talk page (http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Principality_of_Hungary) and I used also http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard for a 2 times. But nobody is interesting about this topic except ] - creator and other users from Hungary, ] and ]. They are supporters of patriotic Hungarian stream of historians (around Kristo Gyula - its minority opinion). My advices were ignored and user Fakirbakir started to canvassing other users in Hungarian pages, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:History_of_Hungary#Principality_of_Hungary http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Koertefa&diff=448010287&oldid=448001698 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Borsoka&diff=prev&oldid=449539896 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Hobartimus&diff=prev&oldid=447545513 but it was a much more canvassing. This is no nationalism? He contancts users based on their ethnicity and he is trying to join Hungarian users against other users. My activity was not motivated by nationalism. Btw ] was under restriction because of his nationalism in 2008. Now he is banned because of wikistalking. He was writing at your talkpage a time ago http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:EdJohnston&diff=prev&oldid=381105163 and he often contacts admins and canvass against other users (like in the my case of my last ban because of 3RR - he influenced user Kuru): http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Kuru&diff=prev&oldid=452664775 but also http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Kuru&diff=prev&oldid=419488007 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Ronhjones&diff=prev&oldid=419483420 I broken rule, it was mistake I apologized and it was not motivated by nationalism. Say me which my edit was motivated by my nationalism last year. You should say sorry to me and repair your report. --] (]) 19:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::You are appealing an admin decision using a lot of content arguments. This is a guarantee you are on the wrong track. Find some people who work on these topics who you consider well-informed. Then try out your content arguments on them and see if you can persuade them. (My fear is that there are no other editors who work on Eastern Europe you consider well-informed). ] (]) 22:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
	::::If I will inform users about topic "Principality of Hungary" discussing in the "no original research noticeboard" it will not consider as canvassing? --] (]) 06:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
	:Yes It can be considered as canvassing when you try to ask help here (and inform users) instead of proper ways. There is an 'official' way, the Dispute resolution process. ] ] (]) 07:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
	:There was a 'state', a pagan state. We can call it 'Principality of Hungary' or 'Duchy of Hungary' etc as we know it from !latter! sources. The contemporary name of the state was Tourkia or Western Tourkia by Byzantine sources. The main problem is User Samofi does not like the title 'Principality of Hungary'. Now, It is clearly a content dispute. However User:Samofi continues to blame others and thinks his editing behavior is justified.] (]) 08:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
	:"Patriotic Hungarian stream around Gyula Kristó". Gyula Kristó was an academic. An expert about Migration Period, Early Middle ages...................] (]) 08:20, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
	:"It is minority opinion". It is a biased statement.] (]) 08:22, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
	{{hab}}

	== More Esoglou edit warring ==

	Why is Esoglou allowed to edit war on the ]s article and also on the Primacy of the Roman Pontiff article? He put a citation request in on my contribution that there were councils before the Ecumenical councils. THATS after I listed the actual councils and even wikilinked to the wiki articles and on some of those councils and then even included dates as well. So now why would I have to source that World War I happened before World War II? ] Esoglou and Richard do this as a means to frustrate contributors. God knows Esoglou can continue and if he messes up it's oops sorry get over it but I get ANI, blocked or banned . Esoglou acts incompetent when caught violating rules and edit warring everyone should just get over it. At what point does this person's behavior and incompetence finally get called into check or are you going to continue to blame the growing list of editors that this person has racked up, frustrates and continue to allow them to edit war with their buddies against positions and facts that do not put their POV in a good light. With all the complains how is it that it is still everyone but Esoglou's fault? ] (]) 19:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
	:Now Esoglou has opened a complaint on editor Montalban More of Esoglou can do what he wants and he's just a little dense is why he messes up but God help you if you do, cause Esoglou is only selectively dense and he can figure out how to run people off of Misplaced Pages even though edit restrictions are lost on ol Esoglou. How many editor are you guys going to let him run off, or do this too? Let me guess though this is all me, right. ] (]) 08:38, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
	::Taking a dispute to ] is actually a good idea. Regarding Esoglou's edits at ], one option is to consider that both you and Esoglou are banned from writing about the Councils which predate the split between the eastern and the western churches. If you want the ban to be interpreted that way, it might be logical. Another option is that both of you can continue to edit, but you must get consensus on talk before changing any material about those Councils which predate the split. ] (]) 23:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::Ed, another way to interpret the edit restriction is that both Esoglou and LoveMonkey can edit points-of-fact regarding the eastern and western churches. That is, if the text in question is about a historical fact such as "who presided over the First Council of Ephesus", either of the two editors can edits. However, as soon as the text crosses over from factual assertions to descriptions of theological positions, the edit restriction comes into force. Interpreted this way, the edit restriction would allow either editor to edit the assertions about Candidian being sent to preside over the Council of Ephesus or about Peter Olivi being the first to propose the doctrine of papal infallibility. However, Esoglou would not be able to edit the sentence that asserts why the Orthodox accept the Council of Ephesus as ecumenical. He would also have to tread lightly when challenging a point-of-fact about a Roman Catholic pope (John XXII) rejecting the assertion of papal infallibility proposed by a Roman Catholic priest (Peter Olivi) when that point-of-fact is made in the middle of a section titled "Eastern Orthodox objections to the doctrine of papal infallibility". I recognize that this is a messy criterion but it's the fairest one I can think of at the moment. --] (]) 08:14, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	::::Perhaps it is time to treat LoveMonkey's complaints as what they are and as his expressions show them to be. Just because he chooses to intervene in an already existing discussion in which I am involved is no reason for suddenly banning me from that discussion. As for LoveMonkey's objection to my taking the dispute with Montalban to the noticeboard, surely it was high time to do so when discussion on the talk page had failed to stop an editor from persistently presenting a statement of his as fact by a) deleting references to reliable sources that disagreed with it, and b) misrepresenting as support for his statement a source that explicitly disagreed with it. ] (]) 11:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::::I think Richard's point is already covered in the exclusion of the Church's "teaching and practice". ] (]) 11:27, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Can you have a look at ], it may need protection and maybe some blocks as both ] and ] have breached ] on this page today and both know the rule. ]]<sup>]</sup> 06:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
	:You can open a complaint at ] if you wish. I have not counted the reverts, but it seems that the ] favors Malleus' side of the argument, preferring 'England' to 'UK'. It's the question of what is the most specific geographical unit that gives the actual location of this project. It doesn't seem to be a question of which sovereign state the project is located in. ] (]) 23:01, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
	:: I have filed two reports at ] ]]<sup>]</sup> 02:00, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::My fault for not explaining that the reports would be stale, since it is more than 24 hours since the last revert by either party. ] (]) 02:20, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::: Can you close them then. ]]<sup>]</sup> 02:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::::I have done so. Remember that the usual 3RR report expects a 3RR warning. For an experienced contributor, it might be enough if you notify them you are making the report. This gives them a chance to respond. Thanks, ] (]) 02:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	I need to explain what is going on. The ] page is being edited by imposters who claim they are improving it. To me it appears they have nothing else better to do than to irritate other editors in a rude and uncivil manner that goes against ]. If you want to block Rangoon, then it would symbolise what is wrong with Misplaced Pages at the moment and why the site is losing contributors. I feel alienated and disillusioned. ] (]) 00:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	:Two of the editors working there are well-known for their writing skills and their ability to improve articles. (I assume these are the people you call 'impostors'). If you don't like the result of their work, you should negotiate the matter at ]. If you can't reach agreement there, consider opening up a ]. I am mystified by what the dispute is about, but perhaps you can put it into words on the talk page. One idea is to put two versions side by side on the talk page and ask for opinions as to which is better. ] (]) 00:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

	== FYI ==

	FYI, as per your previous involvement, you may be interested in ]. Cheers, ] <sup>]</sup> 18:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

	== Re:AWB notes ==

	Just to let you know where I'm getting these numbers, from the user edit count ex.. from there go to home then in the right-hand sidebar it's from there I use the AWB stat's, as you see you have 26. Thanx for the nod, I was wondering if the stats help and I was under the impression I was accurate. ] <small>]</small> 00:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	:More accurately, I have no edits under AWB. See . But it's fun to see the different ways one may try to find the answer. (AWB is also a company in Australia, and one time I referred to that AWB in the edit summary). I can't explain. ] (]) 01:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	I think it's time to harden (by either talk page access removal and/or block extension) the block for this IP. See , , and .] ] 03:42, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	:If he's only abusing admins as a group, let him vent. Since he won't file a proper unblock template, most likely he'll get no further response (unless you provide it). He's also making it less likely he'll ever be unblocked. I suggest you unwatch his page. ] (]) 03:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	::I'm not an admin, and neither were any other of the people he was making personal attacks on (including me). See ].] ] 03:57, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::Nevermind, tpa rmvd by another admin.] ] 03:58, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

	== Climate Change Guide ==

	I've unblocked him. Thanks for the heads-up. ] (]) 04:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

	== Just a question ==

	Hi EdJohnston, I hope you don't mind if I ask a question. I have been told long ago by an editor that if one editor makes an edit on an article with notable sources and another editor disagrees with that editor and the notable source cited and consider it npov, the other editor should not delete the edit and sources of the first editor but instead should make their case underneath with another notable source backing up their case. Apparently this is the protocol on Wiki. Is this correct? I have always kept to this policy and it is quite strange when I don't see others doing it as well. Have I been poorly advised or something? Thanks. ] (]) 02:41, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	:You haven't mentioned the name of any article for me to review. I do notice one that you made recently. Thank you for that. ] (]) 03:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

	::Is ] again. See here . This is just one of many. They have also resulted to placing tags without discussing see and and here see bottom in particular as they seem to be confusing themselves about the notability on an author. Instead of justifying why they have placed the tag in the article in the first place when questioned and asked to provide sources, they speedily removed the tag they have placed without even commenting as in here . It begs the question why put the tag in the first place then? They have also resulted in placing numerous tags at the end or middle of numerous sentences such as "dubious"; "or"; "who" etc on the Medieval history of the ] as you can see for yourself here . The "who" tag in particular was the biggest shocker because it was very apparent that section was talking about Abu Bakr the 11th century ]. This person is not going to stop what they are doing to Serer related articles in fact, in their own words they "will be back". They even said in the ] talk page - the Almoravids didn't bring Islam in the Senegambia without any source when in fact, all notable sources proved otherwise, and in the Serer people article, they provide a source (Asante) which actually proved that it was in fact the Almoravids who brought Islam through wars. If this wasn't serious it would be funny. Lest not beat about the bush, lest call call a spade a spade. The edit evidence is to paint a postive light about Islam and the Serer people's history of strong resistance against Islamisation for nearly a thousand years as backed up by the notable authors in the relevant articles and sections. Sources demonstrating that including the long and bitter wars between Serer religion and Islam religion have been deleted and a more pro Islam edit added. Serer related articles are now a joke and I haven't got the energy nor the time to resolve this person's edits. I have learned my lesson from the last time and will never again make a complaint against this editor. As you can see there is a greater issue going on but I just needed to know specifically whether the advise I was previously given was correct and what are my options (excluding making a complaint).
	::Thanks] (]) 06:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::The location of this dispute seems to be ]. You are participating at ] which is good. Extremely long posts make it hard to see what people are disagreeing about. Consider going one step at a time and see if you can get agreement on one small section. For instance, offer two alternatives on the talk page for a particular section and see how many people support each version. See ] for other ideas. ] (]) 14:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

	:Thank you ] (]) 17:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

	== Need your opinion here as an uninvolved member ==

	Hi Ed,
	Can you look into point 7 here as an uinvolved party ] (]) 11:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	== Atabey again ==

	Hi Ed,
	Please note the following comment by Atabey . It is directly inflammatory against Kurdo777 where he is generalizing about a country. The comment is actually meant to be inflammatory in a discrete way. He has been warned numerous times and I believe it is time for him to be banned fully from all AA (widely construed to include Iran, Turkey , Caucasus). I am not sure how long Misplaced Pages is going to tolerate such behaviour. I believe since you have had experience with this, you can take care of this without me reporting him to the current Arbcomm. Recall here: . Thank you--] (]) 01:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
	::I made the comment in a good faith. Some people reading Shahnameh can find it anti-Turkish. Does not mean it's bad, it's just the way it is interpreted, it is a view on the talk page. I am contributing to all articles with tons of references, and sadly it seems that ] is trying to report anything I say, as a way to restrict me from editing topical articles, such as ], ], etc. Just look at his tone of subject ''Atabey, again...''. Please, check his edits at ] and especially , for what looks like he is warning to create flag pages for Lezgistan and Talyshistan, in response to edits on ]. Isn't that an engagement in ]? Not to mention, his recent , further draining administrative resources. All the concerns that Khodabandeh14 claims are already discussed on talk pages. ] (]) 01:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::This is bad accusation. I just said that ] sources exist mentioning those flags (in response to Atabe's comment to Kurdo777). Howevr, Atabek's comment to Kurdo777 above was inflammatory. As per Arbcomm, it has not been declined or accepted yet. --] (]) 02:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

	== errant charges ==

	and appear to me to be rather improper edits by "Count Iblis" and "Russavia." The latter seems oblivious to any thought of acknowledging any misdeeds, and the former seems quite encouraged by such acts <g>. Cheers. ] (]) 01:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
	:Unlikely that anything we say will influence their thinking one way or the other. ] (]) 01:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

	== [[The One That Got Away (Katy Perry song) ==

	Hello, Can you please unprotect ] because it
	] (]) 13:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

	This was not protected because users seem not to agree it was released as a single, it was protected because it didn't chart yet, and thus didn't meet ], but now it has officially charted in Australia. Nobody ever said that it's not a single, it is a single, go see the revision history on the page, the only reason it kept getting redirected to it's parent album, is because it didn't chart at the time, but now , and has been announced via numerous sources that it's the sixth single from Teenage Dream and it deserves its own page. Here are some sources: .

	== The One That Got Away (Katy Perry song) ==

	Please unprotect the page. It has now entered the New Zealand official singles chart, so it's automatically encyclopedic; it's been released on 28th September btw '''<span style= "color:#FC74F8;">×º°”˜</span><span style= "color:#DF74FC;">`”°º×</span>]<span style= "color:#DF74FC;">×º°”˜</span><span style= "color:#FC74F8;">`”°º×</span>''' 13:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
	:Make this proposal at a suitable talk page. For instance at ] See if the others agree with you. ] (]) 13:51, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

	== ~~RE:~~ ~~Katy~~ ~~Perry~~ ~~song~~ ~~protection~~ ==		== Is this an adequate source? ==

			Greetings EdJohnston,
	The release as a single (as you said at my talkpage) is not a justification for creation, but the charts are, and now it charted. The problem now is that {{user\|Prettybeautifulnailsalon}} made a copy-pasted move to ]. ] has to be redirected to ] because there are two other songs called "The One That Got Away", if you could do a history merge that would be great. ].<sup>]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' ] 18:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
	:It will be at least six hours until I can look into this. ] (]) 18:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
	::Your redirect takes care of it no merge appears necessary. ] (]) 01:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

			Recently I was engaged in a discussion with an editor over their use of Youtube videos as media sources within the ] article, . While there is no current dispute and we were able to discuss this amicably, I am still quite unsure about whether or not this is correct seeing Misplaced Pages's stance on self published sources and on ].
	==Arbitration Request Enforcement===
	Ed,
	You have been involved with this case before:
	and put the last enforcement. Please see the request for enforcement .
	--] (]) 21:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


	=="Indefinite" Topic Ban Regarding Longevity==


	EdJohnston,

	I have put out an unofficial request for comment here:

			I would greatly appreciate your insight on the matter. ] (]) 02:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
	http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Ryoung122#Longevity-Related_Issues
			:The policy that applies is surely ]. I would be more concerned about the value of the citation to the article on ], since we are not the Latin Misplaced Pages. Someone reading aloud a letter in Latin to our English-speaking readers won't improve the understanding of the subject by most people. ] (]) 02:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you so much for your input! ] (]) 03:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Hi there, I am joining this as the person who posted the video. In general, the utility of original language content is that the person can (with subtitling) get a sense of the content in the original form. They get to know the sound of what someone wrote, the cadence of their style, which is lost in translation. That has utility, I would argue, especially when the person is someone known for their style. IDK if WP has specific guidance on this, but ] suggests that original language content should appear with English translations. Whether this specific case warrants keeping is another matter and not why I wanted to comment.
			::What I do need clarity on is whether ] has relevance here, as the video is simply a reading, and the readings are from sourced, clearly indicated and verifiable material. To me, the guidance at ] is out of scope. ] ] 18:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::I've posted this ] as I do need clarity on this. ] ] 18:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Update regarding Topic-Ban Observance ==
	regarding when/if I my topic-ban regarding the subject of longevity should be lifted. I do think the punishment was a bit harsh (in particular, the "broadly interpreted" comment). I think, for example, one should at least be allowed to make talk-page comments, if not edit the main article, when appropriate.

			I once again momentarily forgot about my lede image ban and reverted a change to a picture I had uploaded as the lede image for ]. It literally occurred to me at the last moment before making said revert that what I was about to do might violate my topic ban. However, by the time it fully registered, the change had already been made. I have since reverted said change. While I am inclined to ask you to show leniency, I realize I asked you to dismiss a similar occurence around a month ago so I will leave it to your discretion regarding whether further sanctions are warranted. ] (]) 03:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	I also think that "indefinitely" could be better or worse than "one year." David in DC had indicated to me privately that "one year and one day" was too harsh. So, I'd like to hear your opinion. If the responses are positive, then we can discuss the next step.] 22:49, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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Is this an adequate source?

Greetings EdJohnston,

Recently I was engaged in a discussion with an editor over their use of Youtube videos as media sources within the Machiavelli article, see here. While there is no current dispute and we were able to discuss this amicably, I am still quite unsure about whether or not this is correct seeing Misplaced Pages's stance on self published sources and on Youtube as a source.

The content in question

the original video

I would greatly appreciate your insight on the matter. Plasticwonder (talk) 02:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

The policy that applies is surely WP:RSPYT. I would be more concerned about the value of the citation to the article on Niccolo Machiavelli, since we are not the Latin Misplaced Pages. Someone reading aloud a letter in Latin to our English-speaking readers won't improve the understanding of the subject by most people. EdJohnston (talk) 02:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your input! Plasticwonder (talk) 03:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, I am joining this as the person who posted the video. In general, the utility of original language content is that the person can (with subtitling) get a sense of the content in the original form. They get to know the sound of what someone wrote, the cadence of their style, which is lost in translation. That has utility, I would argue, especially when the person is someone known for their style. IDK if WP has specific guidance on this, but MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE suggests that original language content should appear with English translations. Whether this specific case warrants keeping is another matter and not why I wanted to comment.

What I do need clarity on is whether WP:RSPYT has relevance here, as the video is simply a reading, and the readings are from sourced, clearly indicated and verifiable material. To me, the guidance at WP:RSPYT is out of scope. Jim Killock (talk) 18:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I've posted this to the Village pump as I do need clarity on this. Jim Killock (talk) 18:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Update regarding Topic-Ban Observance

I once again momentarily forgot about my lede image ban and reverted a change to a picture I had uploaded as the lede image for Hideki Tojo. It literally occurred to me at the last moment before making said revert that what I was about to do might violate my topic ban. However, by the time it fully registered, the change had already been made. I have since reverted said change. While I am inclined to ask you to show leniency, I realize I asked you to dismiss a similar occurence around a month ago so I will leave it to your discretion regarding whether further sanctions are warranted. Emiya1980 (talk) 03:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)