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== Any guarantees? ==

Hi Jimbo,

Two years ago Misplaced Pages user donated $1,000 to Misplaced Pages. Then the user you about the donation.Surprisingly the user for this post, and his post was deleted from your talk page.Do you believe you could provide some guarantees that anther substantial donors would not be blocked for donating to Misplaced Pages? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:18, 21 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Financial contributions are appreciated by all of us who edit Misplaced Pages articles, but they do not buy the right to disrupt the encyclopedia. The editor was not, of course, blocked for donating, but for severe and often-repeated disruption. ] (]) 17:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
* Of course, to suggest that a specific editor was blocked for giving a donation, or for simply talking about his donation is laughable. Giving money is only a "get out of jail free" card in some countries. There's a lot more to that block that the simplistic, misleading, and possibly even juvenile reasoning provided by the OP. (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 18:01, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:: Indeed. But at least it was a short and relatively intelligible post.&nbsp;] 19:15, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

== Amadigi di Gaula ==

Could I ask you a favor? Could you take a look at ] and tell me your opinion. Someone who seems to follow me and behaves as a ] added flags there. This person thinks I did something wrong, by adding a few lines from two articles which I found on internet. I contacted one of the authors, and he does not seem to be annoyed, on the contrary he is willing to help. But I really think I did not do something wrong. In fact I made references which is usually enough in academic circles. I contacted an experienced scientist and he told me if this person is not the author, I should not worry. But this wikipedian has different ideas, probably because he does not like me for some time. Nobody else seems to bother. The article is very poorly visited.

This person earlier hijacked ] which I started. He removed all the links to the Dutch and Italian painters and thinks he did a good job. I don't think he is a good ]. The link to this article from the main article ] is poor too, so nobody is going there to investigate. ] (]) 16:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

:You do not appear to understand Misplaced Pages's copyright policy. You must never copy material directly from a source without putting it in quotation marks, "like this", or in a quotation box. Never. Never, never, never. No matter how nice it is. When you do that, you put Misplaced Pages in the position of breaking the law. If you don't follow this rule, you will have to be blocked from editing. ] (]) 17:45, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I followed your advice. I hope it works.Greetings from Amsterdam.] (]) 18:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

P.S. In my point of view the English Misplaced Pages changed into something that reminds me to the GDR, where you cannot trust anybody. They are unwilling to help and might attack you not understanding the culture or on your language. Besides the rules on the continent are more layed back. We don't have as much lawyers as you have who would like to make a buck, and I can compare because I have experience on the Dutch, German and French Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 19:59, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


== Seasonal greetings :) ==
:I am stunned (and utterly demoralized) that this has landed here. Please see my response (or preferably, since this is incredulous, please don't be bothered to see it). ]&nbsp;]&nbsp; 08:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


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:::The funny thing about that article is that even its author doesn't actually understand the rules: he thinks that paraphrasing is okay if the wording is altered enough. That's not true: plagiarism occurs whenever the wording is derived from the wording of the original version, regardless of how extensively it is modified. The only way to avoid plagiarism is to write entirely in one's own words (or to indicate explicitly that the wording of the original is being used). ] (]) 16:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
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== Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc. ==
::::"plagiarism occurs whenever the wording is derived from the wording of the original version, regardless of how extensively it is modified" -- I don't think you can put it that way. When you summarise someone else's text it is perfectly normal and desirable to use the ''key'' words from the original text and follow its ''necessary'' structure. Plagiarism is when you also use non-essential aspects of the original text such as accidental formulations and accidental structure. Or when you get this right but omit the citation.
::::Can you point me to evidence that the author of the study really got this wrong? ] ] 17:17, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::My guess is that Looie496 is referring to the ethics of the situation: I would call it plagiarism if someone were to copy a few paragraphs from a source, then massage each sentence with the intention of making the result acceptable to copyright defenders, then paste it into an article. In such a case, the editor acted merely as a robot to perform a copy-with-modification. Misplaced Pages's reputation would be damaged if that occurred frequently. ] (]) 22:49, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::That's definitely not what I described as acceptable, and I am not going to re-read the entire study to see if they somewhere say something indicating that the examples they considered acceptable were in fact not acceptable. Maybe Looie496 has seen the actual questions somewhere? I would be very much interested in seeing them. ] ] 22:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to {{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old2}} with ], so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "{{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old}}" was ]. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see ]! I hope this is all OK with you.
== Mumbai protests - poor reporting ==


It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So ] is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the ], a ] about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a ] of ] on ]! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon ] (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but ].
* - {{la|BJP youth wing protest against Misplaced Pages's map of India}}


As noted in various places like ], your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). ] (]) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Jimmy, several media organizations have either retracted or altered their articles about the event. I've made changes to the article accordingly. It seems there has been some poor media reporting and it doesn't make an article we can keep anymore - I've voted to have it deleted. I apologize for some of the content based on these sources. ] (]) 17:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:I think I pretty obviously have a COI and so won't be participating in the AfD. :)--] (]) 23:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


:Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. ] (]) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Discussion regarding a message of yours re Misplaced Pages and democracy ==
::No worries. My Christmas gifts are ], as I realised later. ] (]) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2024 ==
FYI there is currently a discussion on a policy talk page in the section regarding that is linked to from the policy. --] (]) 15:54, 22 November 2011 (UTC)<br>
P.S. The discussion is just in the first part of the section, not the subsection. --] (]) 16:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Is there a particular question that you or someone else has? For what it is worth, I don't agree with Septentrionalis. Misplaced Pages really is not a democracy. Misplaced Pages is also not an experiment in consensus. Misplaced Pages is a project to write an encyclopedia. Anyone who thinks any other goal is higher has missed the point. As a project to write an encyclopedia we have elements of consensus, democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy. All of those elements are valid so long as they serve the purpose of building an encyclopedia, and invalid when they get in the way of that. People who treat the project as a political game are missing the point.--] (]) 23:53, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
::Without disagreeing with your main point - that we are here to create an encyclopedia - I will point out that there is no human social activity (anywhere) that is devoid of politics. If we do not put the effort into constructing a functional political system of some sort, then what we will end up with is a dysfunctionally haphazard mess of conflicting political agendas, and that ''will'' interfere with the quality of the encyclopedia. In fact, it already does interfere: As a project we are incapable of resolving many contentious issues because there is no systematic method of addressing ideological divides (short of endless talk page disputes geared towards trumping up excuses to block or topic-ban one side of the dispute - is that what you consider a rational decision-making process for an encyclopedia?)


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    Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

    Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
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    Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc.

    Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to User:Jimbo Wales/old2 with a little assistance, so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "User:Jimbo Wales/old" was already taken. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see the first version of your user page on 19 January 2001 (UTC)! I hope this is all OK with you.

    It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So WikiProject Women in Red is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the draft press release about this event, a question was raised about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a definitive answer of Rosa Parks on 21 January 2001 (UTC)! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon Thomas Edison (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but not any more.

    As noted in various places like this discussion, your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported all of them to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    No worries. My Christmas gifts are so predictable, as I realised later. Graham87 (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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