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== No Idea Time == == Seasonal greetings :) ==


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I think that's the first time I've ever seen anyone on QT be honest and say they don't have any expertise to answer with :) tickled me! Kudos. {{small|for everyone else, Jimbo is currently on BBC1 in the UK on ] - put it on!}} --''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 23:27, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
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::Seconded. Best moment on QT ever. ''"The advantage of not being a politician, is that I can say 'I have no idea'"'' – Jimmy Wales. ] ]⁄] 01:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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:::That is just... Wonderful. I wish politicians would admit that more often. ~~ ] <sup>]</sup> 04:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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::::Surprising that ] claimed to have "just checked" his Misplaced Pages entry and could confirm that his £900,000 salary "was not there". More surprising still that the co-founder of Misplaced Pages was not asked to correct him. Facts do sometimes miraculously disappear from Misplaced Pages from time to time, of course. But there seems to have been a bit of frantic editing of King's salary just before that TV programme was broadcast. Whoever that anon editor was! ] (]) 14:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
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'''Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this ]. Spread the ] by wishing another user a ] and a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. <br />Happy editing,'''<br />
&mdash;&nbsp;Benison <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


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Please note, everyone, that trying to watch this on YouTube is not a good idea. There are several videos there pretending to be that programme, but they are all fake. They consist of a small number of stills from the programme and no sound, and start with the text "Youtube will delete this video Watch this episode at ...". The URL given in the video as well as the link lead to a site where I could not actually watch the programme. They asked me to complete one of four surveys first, and the completion of any of them would have required giving them my mobile phone number and PIN so they can commit a subscription fraud against me. In my case the surveys were localised for Austria, but I assume for other countries they will have other scams. I flagged the videos for attention by Google, but they are still up. ] ] 01:06, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
|}<span id="Benison:1734890634947:User_talkFTTCLNJimbo_Wales" class="FTTCmt">&mdash;&nbsp;Benison <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
:Note the episode is at the BBC. I (assuming all of the United States as well) can't view the video, however. ] (]) 01:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:Update: The fraudulent videos uploaded by YouTube user nkosisanders are still up. If anyone knows how to contact YouTube in such a way that they take a complaint seriously (i.e. not just flagging as spam/scam so that the person looking at it thinks a normal copyvio has been misflagged and ''therefore'' simply ignores it), then please let me know. ] ] 08:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


== Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc. ==
== Encouraging more WikiProjects ==


Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to {{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old2}} with ], so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "{{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old}}" was ]. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see ]! I hope this is all OK with you.
I am beginning to see why you have been recommending more people to join the various 2,000 or so semi-dormant ]. The massive amount of work being done to improve quality in Misplaced Pages cannot be understood, unless considered in terms of hundreds of groups of collaborating users. As a member of ] (Guild of Copy Editors), this year, we are seeing about 800 articles "corrected" during each of the end-of-year backlog drives, by 30-50 people. The November 2011 drive is:
:* ]
Many of those articles involve partial rewrites of text sections which were rambling or unclear. All together, the GOCE Guild (and friends) seems to have made about 80,000 small changes to the tagged articles, each month, during the July/September drives. Those people seem to be very cooperative, and when a bizarre article is spotted, then discussions on the GOCE talk-page tend to resolve the problems within a few hours. However, about 500 more scruffy articles (each with dozens of punctuation or grammar errors) are tagged for {copyedit|date=} each month, and hence, the GOCE Guild is falling behind by about 100 ''more'' articles being left uncorrected each month. People must understand that Misplaced Pages's quality improvements can only be handled by many hundreds of groups of people working in teams. Hence, we need to encourage these hundreds of efforts. I am thinking:
* "'''WikiProject of WikiProjects'''" should visit each to offer support or cross-WikiProject advice to help make the teams work faster (WP:GOCE cannot reduce the backlog of 1,000 more tagged articles, every 2 months, by only fixing 800 articles in each drive). More editors are needed.
* "'''WikiProject Enrollment'''" needs to advertise system-wide across Misplaced Pages, to encourage people to "enroll" or join into a WikiProject as a place to find other people with shared interests, and less hostility.
Many of the various 2,000 WikiProjects have become dormant, but the resulting quality of Misplaced Pages articles which they left is somewhat amazing, in terms of the broad scope of details which has expanded many one-liner "sub-stubs" into larger stubs with some real content. We just need to keep reminding people to join the active WikiProjects, and try to avoid unproductive conflicts with hostile users who do not like to work in cooperative teams. I hope other people will help expand these efforts, whenever someone mentions how "abusive" other editors are acting. -] (]) 02:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

<s>屌你老母 --<small>] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup></small> 02:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)</s>
:::::The above is not Dave1185, it is ]. - ] <sub><font color="maroon">]</font></sub> 03:54, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

:The next general survey can include questions about familiarity with the WikiProjects (as well as with the ], the ], the ], and the ]).
:—] (]) 03:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

:The ] can mention WikiProjects in its ].
:—] (]) 19:19, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:: Suggesting to join WikiProjects in the "]" does sound like a great idea, to spread the word with less effort. Even experienced editors often run across the new "Welcome messages" or other user-talk pages, so older editors would often see a "join-WikiProjects" note, if sent to new users. -] 16:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

:See ] (permanent link ).
:—] (]) 19:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Excellent ideas, but the problem is . It doesn't matter how many people are active in a project if a few very active rogue editors believe they have the right to run wild and do whatever they like. This is very discouraging to those who take the time and make the effort to create a project-wide consensus which is then ignored, article by article, by others. No one has the time to watch the hundreds or thousands of articles in a single project. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel on each article within a project. That's the reason for having project-wide consensus, and why these projects should be respected and taken seriously. We either take the concept of discussion and consensus seriously, or we don't. ] (]) 18:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

:An article might be monitored by more than one WikiProject. See ].
:—] (]) 20:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== BLP case ==

Jimbo, could I ask you to have a look at ]? It's a BLP that contains personally damaging information, based on a single secondary source from two years ago that the publisher recently removed from their website following lengthy legal action by the BLP subject. Editors at the article insist that without a formally published retraction, the original article, although no longer available online, is still a reliable source, and inclusion of the material is fully in line with ] and ]. The material based on the source makes up about 25% of the entire BLP. Best, --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 13:57, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:How many different venues are you going to use to pursue this? You got no traction at BLPN -- the one editor who seemed to support your approach (Bbb23) changed his mind (deciding to support inclusion) when he read the actual article. Even Scott MacDonald didn't see fit to get involved. In any event this looks to me like a clear instance of canvassing, and even though I have explicitly defended you against others' worries that you might not be approaching this one in good faith, I'm done with that now. For those who might take an interest -- a key principle here is ]: sources do not have to be available online, and it is indeed the case that the article has not been retracted. Furthermore the material is not based on a single source, we also have the fact that the journal ''Citizenship Studies'' retracted one of Abbas's articles because it contained plagiarism. ] (]) 15:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::You can only use SOURCEACCESS as an argument if you are citing the paper source - not when citing an online source that is no longer available.]·] 15:48, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:::What? I read the paper source originally. I am citing a paper source. ] (]) 15:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Is the source verifiable now that it's not online? We would have a very different encyclopedia if people could just say "I read it somewhere." Even though I'm not doubting you did. Anyway I'll jump on over to the article discussion since that is where this all should be sorted out :) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:green">'''Quinn'''</span> <font color="black">]</font> 21:40, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::No opinion (yet?) on whether the information should be included, but I think you misread the previous post. The best source for the claim appears to be an article in ], a high-quality weekly ''print'' magazine with an excellent reach. (To judge from my experience, it seems to be available in the social rooms of all British university departments.) The article was also available on the THE website, but it appears that it has been pulled specifically, for reasons unknown. ] ] 22:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::It was removed as part of a settlement of a defamation claim. --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 16:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::What is the evidence for this statement, Jayen? ] (]) 17:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== Royalist shenanigans ==

Hello Jimbo, I just noticed you once took an interest in the shenanigans of one {{user|Rapportroyal}} and an apparently fake reference he was adding , so you might be interested in a thread I just opened at ]. Unfortunately these spam links to the alleged ''"Annuaire de la Noblesse Moderne des Maisons Principales de l'Europe"'' by "Kozma Prutkov" have been inserted on several other wikis too and are now being used to support edit-warring by the agenda accounts on various "French legitimism" articles. ] ] 15:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Ты заебал уже со своими обращениями. Я нихуя не дам тебе денег, сраный пендос. Достало уже видеть твою рожу и рожу твоего волосатого программиста. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:12, 26 November 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== .... ==

so, shall i start editing via the "Don't Talk With Me" account now? or shall i wait for you to tell me when?.... You said that your gonna post a message on my talk page saying that you've spoken with me and that i promised you that ill behave.....

Again, thankyou for giving me a chance, god bless. again, i promise to stick with the Don't Talk With Me account and be the best editor ever.] (]) 18:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Dear Mr Wales ==

I think a free dictionary of expressions should be founded as a Wikimedia Project. ] (]) 20:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

:See http://en.wiktionary.org/Category:English_idioms.
:—] (]) 20:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== You need a new marketing scheme. ==

I figured it was about that time of year for Misplaced Pages to start begging people for money. Telling us if we were to donate now you'd be able to end your whining but where do your statistics from?! Stop with these pointless appeals, we all know you have people write them for you; another thing, nobody cares about seeing 'appeals' from some nobodies. Spend some of that money you're raising and get at least some sort of D-List celebrity. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

(P.S.) - I'm not a ] - my I.P. resets everytime I log onto my internet. --01:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

(i.e. - in this case, I'm still logged on and never disconnected. K? Thanks. --] (]) 01:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
:What the IP lists above is, in my opinion, actually kind of a good idea. If we "cough" <i>persuade</i> someone working at one of the UN's departments relating to world knowledge/children/whatever, it might garner more support and donations then, with all due respect, Brandon Harris. Just pointing this out. Or it could run alongside the other stories. A thing to consider come next October. ] (]) 03:21, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

* '''''Appeals from nobodies did work:''''' The data showed that the Brandon Harris banner was very popular. Perhaps it is because many people who contribute do not think it "begging" to fund a volunteer organization. Ironically, a key dispute was the exact number of WM staff ("73" or "93" people), so next time, perhaps remind people to just say "nearly 100" or such. I think encyclopedia readers notice the small details, so it is best to avoid precise details, unless there is quality-control phase for copy-editing the details in a fundraiser banner. -] (]) 04:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
::Looks like I shouldn't be speaking about topics I'm not familiar with. But anyway, maybe someone of more international renown would generate even more <s>bling</s> donations? ] (]) 04:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Potential donors to non-profits often appreciate hearing from those who are actually doing the work (speaking about a topic I am familiar with). It can make it much more personal and real to hear from a volunteer who is passionate about the project, a programmer/employee who believes strongly in the project, etc. But we should all see what the results are before judging, keeping in mind that this is a very challenging time for non-profit fundraising. ] (]) 05:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== Editor base stabilized at 34,000 active editors ==

'''''The drop in editors has ended:''''' The October usage stats have confirmed, along with 3rd quarter editor counts, that the count of active editors has stabilized at nearly 34,000 active editors (>10 edits per month), since June 2011 (October: 35,028 editors). We had discussed this likely outcome, several months ago, that the "free fall" or "hemorrhaging" of editors was obviously ending, at a bottom-out count of 34,000 people who will always edit English Misplaced Pages each month. The usage data, for the past 5 months (June-Oct.) has confirmed this same pattern of editors staying: each month in 2011 is nearly 99% of the 2010 active-editor counts. See table:
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| 2011 || 37,294 || 36,930|| 35,747|| 35,501|| 35,651|| 34,767|| 35,028
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| 2010 || 38,991 || 39,286|| 36,270|| 35,856|| 36,429|| 34,874|| 35,443
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On average, people have stopped leaving: the count never drops below 34,000 active editors. That stability gives the WMF resource planners the controlled usage pattern they need to expect 34,000 active editors each month.<br/><br/>'''''Who were those people who left?'''''&nbsp; Well, along with active users who were edit-banned, about 3,000 "average editors" left in June 2010, and do not seem to have returned. I am suspecting that they were some groups of students who left in June 2010, but now the remaining 34,000 editors do not take "summer wikibreak" as others did in past years. The final core of 34,000 editors seem to work each month, regardless of the northern hemisphere summer-break period beginning in June. However, it could be that more students (or others) use home computers to continue editing Misplaced Pages when school ends (or on vacations).<br />Meanwhile, because some other-language Wikipedias are growing in active editors, such as ], the total of all-language active Wikipedians has been growing, slightly, for the past 5 months (October: 80,630 active editors, all-languages). Anyway, the so-called "mass exit" of editors since 2007 has clearly ended. Tell the Foundation not to turn off the lights yet: those 34,000 editors intend to stay all year at the party! -] (]) 05:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So ] is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the ], a ] about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a ] of ] on ]! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon ] (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but ].
'''''Reduced activity of remaining active editors'''''
>10 edits/month (one every three days on average) isn't much, especially if those are relatively minor edits, or include several attempts to get one edit right, or include editors who only hit that number for one month as opposed to several months running. Can we see the numbers for total edits per month over time? I'm interested in finding out if the current anecdotal evidence of previously high-level contributors (>150 edits/month perhaps) dropping down to maintenance (>10/month) is actually as prevalent as it appears. I want to make sure we're all seeing the big picture, not just one statistic over time. ] (]) 18:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


As noted in various places like ], your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). ] (]) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
== Fund-raising appeal ==


How much money are you hoping to raise? How much do you have so far? --] (]) 07:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC) :Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. ] (]) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::No worries. My Christmas gifts are ], as I realised later. ] (]) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:See ]. Regards, '''] ]''' <sub>]</sub>''<sup>]</sup>'' 13:50, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


== Maybe you should read it... == == ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2024 ==


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Jimbo, although we keep removing it because the editor just keeps creating new disposable userids in order to ], I'll link to one of his earlier attempts to post it. Seeing as my name is mentioned, I have no issues with anyone reviewing either the situation or my role within it. where he added it, and the first blocked account is ]. (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 14:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
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* Yet another highly experienced user has gotten caught in the ''sock-block-complain-newsock-newblock'' quicksand trap. This time it looks like the admins are targeting the victim as a case of ''sock-block-complain-resock-ban-from-Misplaced Pages''. The user was careful to keep the original account secret, so might be able to return to editing, peacefully, even though the intent is to edit-ban the user due to being caught in the sock-trap. I wonder if the people working on policy ] knew this would drive many experienced users to leave WP. -] (]) 16:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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    Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

    Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
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    Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc.

    Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to User:Jimbo Wales/old2 with a little assistance, so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "User:Jimbo Wales/old" was already taken. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see the first version of your user page on 19 January 2001 (UTC)! I hope this is all OK with you.

    It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So WikiProject Women in Red is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the draft press release about this event, a question was raised about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a definitive answer of Rosa Parks on 21 January 2001 (UTC)! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon Thomas Edison (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but not any more.

    As noted in various places like this discussion, your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported all of them to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    No worries. My Christmas gifts are so predictable, as I realised later. Graham87 (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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